DeLay: ‘No American Is Denied Health Care In America’
DeLay: ‘No American Is Denied Health Care In America’
Speaking in the UK yesterday, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) predicted that if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, he or she would seek to install universal health care, similar to the system in Britain. This possibility “received thunderous applause.” DeLay claimed that, under the U.S. system, “no American is denied health care”:
By the way, there’s no one denied health care in America. There are 47 million people who don’t have health insurance, but no American is denied health care in America.
The audience, understandably, greeted DeLay’s preposterous claims with “derisive laughter,” according to the AP. A recent report showed that for the sixth straight year, jobholders continued to see a decline in employer-provided health insurance, with 38 states seeing “significant” drops in benefits offered by employers.
Observers estimate that anywhere from one to 18 percent of Americans are denied health insurance because of pre-existing health conditions. These conditions can range from heart disease to high cholesterol to yeast infections to being too skinny. A few examples of Americans who were denied health care:
Texas resident Shirley Lowe was denied health care because her breast cancer was diagnosed at a medical center rather than a clinic receiving federal cancer-research funds.
New Orleans bus driver Emanuel Wilson was denied health care when the government refused to pay for his chemotherapy because he had had a job that had provided insurance — a job he lost after Hurricane Katrina.
Thousands of 9/11 workers who worked at Ground Zero were denied health care when the federal government approved woefully inadequate funds to address the permanent health problems, such as sinusitis and asthma, associated with work at the site.
As Michael Moore’s film “Sicko” showed so clearly, millions more Americans who have health insurance are denied the care they need due to insurers’ “cost-cutting strategies.”
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do people who get indicted get to keep their health insurance?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:09 pmWhy do so many photographs of Republicans make me angry? Don’t you just want to kick him in the teeth and watch him cry?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:12 pmDesperate for a headline, Delay of Game makes an ass out of himself yet once again.
As Sherrif Bart so succinctly put it.
“He desperate, HE DESPERATE!”
November 9th, 2007 at 4:12 pmYeah, and there aren’t any homosexuals in Iran, either.
*eyeroll*
November 9th, 2007 at 4:12 pmListening to anything Tom DeLay says is as pointless as pillows in a coffin.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:12 pmI would’ve loved to see Delay get heckled by a room filled with people smarter than he is.
Delay’s comments are echoed quite often. The idea that, if you walk into an emergency room with a hatchet in your head, they’ll stitch you up (at least, they’re supposed to) regardless of whether or not you have insurance somehow equals that you can’t be denied healthcare. It’s “true” in same way you can argue that a date that ends with sex is like prostitution, except that the man provided dinner and entertainment worth x amount of dollars instead of just giving that money to the women directly. Make that argument if you want, but it makes you a jackass in the eyes of everyone with at least half a brain in their head, and it proves how little you think of everyone around you, thinking of them strictly in terms of what they can provide for you (or to you) instead of what they as human beings deserve.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:13 pmLittle Tommy will lose his health insurance when he is convicted and goes to jail. However, he will have a “personal” physician who has office hours once a month in the prison.
. . . and he will have a cell-mate who will give him a daily procto exam.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:13 pmI think my compulsion toward kicking Republicans in the teeth has something to do with their arrogant, smug attitudes.
Hillary’s lucky she’s a female, because her picture somehow elicits the same response in my gut.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:14 pmDelay is so out of touch, with reality, that he should be put into a mental institution for his own safety.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:16 pmYah, great system, let the government clerks decide on your behalf, they do so well with everything else.
From the Daily Mail (Great Britain)
By LUCY LAING - Last updated at 01:08am on 27th October 2007
‘Faced with the prospect of losing her father to cancer, Chantelle Hill reacted a little differently to the average six-year-old.
Instead of letting the grown-ups deal with it, she decided to save him herself.
Now, she has raised more than £4,000 to buy the life-saving drugs David Hill needs after he was told they were not available to him on the Health Service.
The drug Mr Hill needs is called Tarceva. It is available for free in Scotland but not in England, as the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence found it was not “an effective use of NHS resources”.
Although it is not a cure, Tarceva has been shown to extend the lives of patients with cancers such as Mr Hill’s and to improve their quality of life. It has been welcomed by cancer specialists around the world and is used extensively in Europe and the US. ‘
November 9th, 2007 at 4:18 pm“derisive laughter,†I like the fact that they gave him the same reception that I would have, except I would also gave him a “one” finger salute also.
Delay you’re a crook, no one listens to you anymore, get lost, eat sh!t and die a-hole.
Buck Fush
November 9th, 2007 at 4:19 pm“DeLay: ‘No American Is Denied Health Care In America’ ”
Now that subject title right there tells me that The Hammer is on drugs and on another planet.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:19 pmNo one is denied EMERGENCY healthcare in America.
You’re more than welcome to die slowly though if you don’t have insurance/money.
Delay is a fool.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:22 pmThe drug Mr Hill needs is called Tarceva. It is available for free in Scotland but not in England
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
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Thanks for posting this article! It really demonstrates how Scotland’s system is great for offering the drug for free.
I assume that’s why you posted it…
November 9th, 2007 at 4:22 pmMinotaur, that is a great idea.
Put kids to work in order to pay for something the government should do. Like those 8 y/o Bangladesh prostitutes…
November 9th, 2007 at 4:23 pmsure… no one is denied “health” care in this country — just don’t come down with any thing, because its the “sick” care that you will be denied.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:29 pmWhat percentage of Congress has been denied health care for any reason? Who pays for congressional health care (insurance)? Is there any company in America that provides its employees with health insurance but the employer is exempt from participating?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:30 pmbwahahaha — i absolutely love the brits for laughing at this texas turd to his bloated, ugly face.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThanks for posting this article! It really demonstrates how Scotland’s system is great for offering the drug for free.
Doesn’t really help the British father in question though, does it?
DeLay was talking to a British audience who were busy laughing derisively…I did read that somewhere in the thread, right?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:31 pmMinotaur, that is a great idea.
Put kids to work in order to pay for something the government should do. Like those 8 y/o Bangladesh prostitutes…
Or be forced to find an answer for your health needs outside of the perfect government system that has somehow found a way to deny you, in effect being not so perfect anymore.
Like I said, do you really want a gov’ment clerk deciding that the medicine you need didn’t make the official list of approved medications so you are SOL?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:35 pmDoesn’t really help the British father in question though, does it?
DeLay was talking to a British audience who were busy laughing derisively…I did read that somewhere in the thread, right?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
November 9th, 2007 at 4:36 pm—————————————
You’re completely right again! Scotland rules! You’re one compassionate conservative, Minotaur.
They also boot people from health insurance. Kevin Drum had an article about it. Rescession.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:36 pmAhem *Rescission
November 9th, 2007 at 4:37 pmLike I said, do you really want a gov’ment clerk deciding that the medicine you need didn’t make the official list of approved medications so you are SOL?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
November 9th, 2007 at 4:38 pm———————————-
No different than my current insurance company denying coverage for something they deem to be experimental, right?
What percentage of Congress has been denied health care for any reason? Who pays for congressional health care (insurance)? Is there any company in America that provides its employees with health insurance but the employer is exempt from participating?
Comment by Bob — November 9, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
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Brilliant!!! Yes, let’s use that as our “Employer Sponsored Plan” model!!
I award you +10 internets
November 9th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYou’re completely right again! Scotland rules! You’re one compassionate conservative, Minotaur.
Now all we have to do is figure out if the great nation of Scotland covers every medication and treatment that the British plan allows.
Just think of the demographic shifts we could see in europe: cancer patients in Scotland, AIDS patients in Spain, neurological disorder patients in Germany and assorted broken bones in England.
Thank Gaia for EuroPassâ„¢, imagine having to travel from Ireland to Italy for your flu shot.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:40 pmNo different than my current insurance company denying coverage for something they deem to be experimental, right?
Comment by Vet — November 9, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
I completely agree which might hopefully, one day, lead us to some sort of compromise program.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:43 pmOr be forced to find an answer for your health needs outside of the perfect government system that has somehow found a way to deny you, in effect being not so perfect anymore.
Like I said, do you really want a gov’ment clerk deciding that the medicine you need didn’t make the official list of approved medications so you are SOL?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
But 50 MILLION Americans are already decided against receiving insurance, and another 30 million are at least part of the year, plus there are TENS OF MILLIONS that the government ‘clerk’ already provides people medicine because the COR’PRICK KKKLERKS already say they AREN’T ELIDDGIBUL for insurance.
No system is perfect, but considering Americans already PAY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, OURS IS A DISGRACE - AS ARE YOU!
November 9th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI would rather have a government clerk making the decision, then a for profit HMO. They aren’t terribly reliable. My Uncle is in the process of battling cancer, and they routinely have to resubmit bills 2 or 3 times before the insurance company will pay them.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI completely agree which might hopefully, one day, lead us to some sort of compromise program.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
So then your post is HYPOCRITICAL and BIASED - NICE OF YOU TO ADMIT WHAT A FOOL YOU WERE FOR POSTING SOMETHING SO STUPID!
November 9th, 2007 at 4:44 pmLike I said, do you really want a gov’ment clerk deciding that the medicine you need didn’t make the official list of approved medications so you are SOL?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
It’s either that or a private insurer doing exactly the same thing. Would you rather than the insurer, be it public or private, simply paid for any treatment or medication regardless of cost or efficacy? I’m glad you’re not running any health care programs.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:44 pmNow all we have to do is figure out if the great nation of Scotland covers every medication and treatment that the British plan allows.
Just think of the demographic shifts we could see in europe: cancer patients in Scotland, AIDS patients in Spain, neurological disorder patients in Germany and assorted broken bones in England.
Thank Gaia for EuroPassâ„¢, imagine having to travel from Ireland to Italy for your flu shot.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
As opposed to AMERIKKKA, where YOU DIE or GO BANKRUPT because you CAN’T GET HEALTHCARE!
You’re a pathetic little ‘tard!
November 9th, 2007 at 4:45 pmNo system is perfect, but considering Americans already PAY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, OURS IS A DISGRACE - AS ARE YOU!
Which was the basis of my point about the British father, no system is perfect, even the state-sponsored system in England.
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Why isn’t Delay in jail?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:52 pmWhich was the basis of my point about the British father, no system is perfect, even the state-sponsored system in England.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Considering they spend a fraction of what we do, have better coverage, and better healthcare - well that’s like complaining that someone isn’t Einstein even though they’re a genius - and YOU are ‘tarded!
And YES YOU ARE ‘TARDED!
November 9th, 2007 at 4:53 pmIt’s either that or a private insurer doing exactly the same thing.
Which again is the point I made. The British NHS denied coverage to a citizen so the citizen, in effect, found an alternate method to provide the treatment he needed, in his particular case it was charitable giving.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:54 pmBritain gets what the World Health Organization calls better results spending less than half of what we do per patient.
Medicare, a single-payer system, runs with about a 3% overhead. The VA, a socialized medical system, runs with about a 4% overhead. Our insurance-based system runs with between 18 and 35% overhead.
The difference can be accounted for by adding up the profit-taking, CEO salaries (one CEO got $1.6 BILLION for one year) and the fact that the insurance industry employs thousands of people for the express intent of denying healthcare.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:56 pmWhich was the basis of my point about the British father, no system is perfect, even the state-sponsored system in England.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
When did we become England? How far off-topic can you go? did the Brits laugh at Delay because their system is faulty, or because he was lying through his teeth? If the British system is so bad, why haven’t they adopted the American system? How did you get to be as stupid as TCDon?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:57 pmWhich again is the point I made. The British NHS denied coverage to a citizen so the citizen, in effect, found an alternate method to provide the treatment he needed, in his particular case it was charitable giving.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Then it sounds like a case for England to spend more money to fix the problem - something they can cause to happen because it is a POLITICAL ISSUE.
In the US, what recourse do the 50 million Americans have? Go bankrupt, die? Rely in charity? Because so far you are listing ONE PERSON in England, and comparing that to TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS that are in the same SITUATION DAILY WITH THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES.
And you think that ISOLATE CASE proves something? It proves that WE’RE F**KED and YOU’RE STUPID!
November 9th, 2007 at 4:59 pmConsidering they spend a fraction of what we do, have better coverage, and better healthcare - well that’s like complaining that someone isn’t Einstein even though they’re a genius - and YOU are ‘tarded!
The British NHS lacks a family doctor service, has inefficient long-term care services and a diminished priority for cancer patients (see my example above). Don’t even get me started on the dentistry.
And as for the oldsters in society, only the neediest elderly will receive publicly-funded assistance at home; those with “mild to moderate needs†must rely on alternative resources.
For the slow like you this means “other than govment healthcare”.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:02 pmEvil incarnate…
November 9th, 2007 at 5:03 pmMy wife needed to be taken to the hospital in an emergency situation. After she was stabilized she was sent to another hospital by ambulance. My insurance company paid for the first ambulance ride to the original hospital but refused to pay for the second ride because it wasn’t an “emergency” situation. Even though there was no way they would have released her to ride with me, take a cab or bus to the next hospital and she was medicated and needed further treatment. I fought them for months and months on this and finally after the ambulatory service sent my case to a collection agency I had to pay.
My story isn’t that bad but it shows just how they nuance things to not pay for things they should. It cost over about $800 for a single ride.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:06 pmI would guess that Tom Delay classifies me as “No American” along with about 41 million other people who happen to live legally within our nation’s borders.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:06 pmWhen did we become England? How far off-topic can you go? did the Brits laugh at Delay because their system is faulty, or because he was lying through his teeth? If the British system is so bad, why haven’t they adopted the American system?
Why did the British audience give “thunderous applause” when Delay said the U.S. might see a govment health system similar to that of Britain’s? When did we become Britain?
The British system isn’t bad but it certainly isn’t perfect, which is to say that instituting a British-type system will improve some things and not improve others. Hence the need for a compromise system between govment and private healthcare providers. You do understand “compromise” or is that too deep for you?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:07 pmWhile the debate over the health care crisis in America remains focused on the expansion of S-CHIP and the competing proposals of the 2008 presidential candidates, a new study revealed the continuing and steady decline of employer-based health coverage in the United States. Once the lynchpin of the U.S. health care system, workplace health insurance now covers only 59.7% of Americans, down from 64.2% in 2000. And making matters worse, surging health care costs, insurance premiums and employees’ own contributions continue to exceed inflation and the growth in wages.
For the details, see:
November 9th, 2007 at 5:08 pm“Employer-Provided Health Coverage Continues to Decline.”
Never compare the Brittish system as inferior to ours. I lived under it for 18 months and under the German one for two years. Both were superior to the one we have to endure here and both were virtually free, including pharms.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:10 pmMinataur:
Do the research on the drug Tavera:
It is only approved for late stage terminal cancers (Stage 3 small cell lung cancer and pancreatic cancer in the US) and it typically leads to resistance within less than a year - so it can prolong life (sometimes - the actual data is weak) for just a short period of time. It is not some miracle cure or last hope - it is just not that effective.
so - the British have decided that it is not an approved drug. big deal. Is that your entire argument?
People in GB live longer and pay less (much less) for their health care. We spend more on helath care than any other country but we rank in the middle to lower middle in life expectancy. Also, at every age poeple in GB have less disease than we do - less heart attacks, less type II diabetes and less chronic disease. So explain why our system is better?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:12 pmThe British NHS lacks a family doctor service, has inefficient long-term care services and a diminished priority for cancer patients (see my example above). Don’t even get me started on the dentistry.
And as for the oldsters in society, only the neediest elderly will receive publicly-funded assistance at home; those with “mild to moderate needs†must rely on alternative resources.
For the slow like you this means “other than govment healthcareâ€.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
But your point wasn’t DELAYS or INEFFICIENCIES it was DENIED SERVICE!
Why do you keep changing the debate when you lose the point?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:13 pmFirst Rove, now DeLay on TP. I assume, like Rove, that he failed to get the memo also emphatically concluding his irrelevance. Get thee to the memo post haste, Tom. Also, like Rove, shouldn’t he be in jail yet?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:15 pmWhy did the British audience give “thunderous applause†when Delay said the U.S. might see a govment health system similar to that of Britain’s? When did we become Britain?
The British system isn’t bad but it certainly isn’t perfect, which is to say that instituting a British-type system will improve some things and not improve others. Hence the need for a compromise system between govment and private healthcare providers. You do understand “compromise†or is that too deep for you?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Actually the British system IS A COMPROMISE, you ‘tarded little fool! That COMPROMISE is part of where many of their problems come from. But you didn’t know that, did you little fool?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:15 pmMinotaur: “The British system isn’t bad but it certainly isn’t perfect…”
Assuming nobody hear is foolish enough to expect perfection, shouldn’t we install the best system possible? Saying other systems aren’t perfect is a strawman argument designed to obfuscate the issue.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:16 pmMinotaur is arguing about Britain denying payment for a drug that may extend your life for a year while he defends a govt that makes medical mj illegal. Explain that douche.
No system is perfect. And no system will cover every drug on the market. You can’t complain on the one hand that insuring everyone will raise your taxes & then complain on the other hand that every drug under the sun isn’t covered. All you’re doing is raising strawmen while you ignore the huge gaps in coverage by the current U.S. system. Of course there will be problems in the medical system of any country you examine. That doesn’t mean they’re not miles ahead of the garbage foisted on the American people. The system we have in Canada isn’t perfect but I wouldn’t trade it for what you’ve got. Not for a second.
But way to avoid the point of this article… that Delay doesn’t have a clue. You’ve actually reinforced that point by showing that you also do not have a clue. Way to be!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:17 pmNever compare the Brittish system as inferior to ours. I lived under it for 18 months and under the German one for two years. Both were superior to the one we have to endure here and both were virtually free, including pharms.
It isn’t free, someone always needs to pay for everything, even govment healthcare. A pure-tax, socialized system will still need to cope with paying wages and buying material (meds and equipment) and the only way to gain more funds is to raise taxes.
Especially in a services economy like Britains, where wages rise regularly, the NHS must also hike their wages to compete with the private sector. Again, there is only one well to turn to for more money, even though increased spending won’t mean increased amount or quality of treatment.
You pay for it, just not directly from your wallet.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:18 pmMinotaur: “The British system isn’t bad but it certainly isn’t perfect…â€
Assuming nobody hear is foolish enough to expect perfection, shouldn’t we install the best system possible? Saying other systems aren’t perfect is a strawman argument designed to obfuscate the issue.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 9, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Exactly! That’s what wingnuts always do to excuse being ‘responsible’ in their reasoning. They’re naturally dishonest.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:18 pmIt isn’t free, someone always needs to pay for everything, even govment healthcare.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
The inane wars that GWB keeps starting, and you keep supporting aren’t free either. They’re unnecessary, but not free. And you’ve found a way to accept that expenditure. How could you deny medical coverage to Americans? On what basis?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI have sent a chronicle of my own story, of health care denied, to both of my Senators, my U.S. Rep, and several members of State government. All have responded and we have continued correspondence.
I will send a copy to Mr. Delaying and I’ll post if he responds. Please, don’t hold your breath. Except you, minotaur. Your presence befouls polite company like the unclean beast who’s name you dishonor.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:21 pmIt isn’t free, someone always needs to pay for everything, even govment healthcare. A pure-tax, socialized system will still need to cope with paying wages and buying material (meds and equipment) and the only way to gain more funds is to raise taxes. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
And the only way for private systems is to RAISE PREMIUMS (Taxes), yet Government run systems world wide cost SIGNIFICANTLY LESS than ours, yet deliver SUPERIOR QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF HEALTHCARE! That means moving to a universal system could LOWER COSTS FOR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS!
Especially in a services economy like Britains, where wages rise regularly, the NHS must also hike their wages to compete with the private sector. Again, there is only one well to turn to for more money, even though increased spending won’t mean increased amount or quality of treatment. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Yet, they still COVER EVERYONE, for SIGNIFICANTLY LESS than we do. And guess what little ‘tard? OUR PRICES ARE RISING FASTER THAN THEIRS ARE, and OUR QUALITY IS LOWERING FASTER THAN THEIRS!
You pay for it, just not directly from your wallet.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
We ALREADY PAY FOR IT, you LITTLE FOOL! OVER PAY!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:21 pmYou pay for it, just not directly from your wallet.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
You can tell that the British are crippled by these costs, given that the Pound is roughly twice the value of the dollar.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:21 pmHe isn’t in jail yet. Now Mikie our new AG might find a way to make sure the criminal GOP criminals get off and with the help of Rudy and Mitt these criminals can get back to Washington and do what they do best commit crimes. The world is laughing at how stupid our Law Makers are and how much of an idiot the President is. Daddy Bush is still crying over his weak, drunk, stupid baby boy George. Cheney is busy stealing US money right now.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:23 pmHere you go Minotaur, the MORE BULL THAN HUMAN ‘TARD. The OECD costs from 2003.
http://www.kff.org/ insurance/ snapshot/ chcm010307oth.cfm
England per capita costs: $2,317
US per capita costs: $5,711
Number of uninsured English: 0
Number of uninsured US: 47 Million
Number of US that had no insurance for at least part of the last year: 80 million
Yet despite all of that, we still spend over twice as much!
Yeah, that’s REALLY BAD TAXING Minotaur! You’re a moron!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:25 pmActually the British system IS A COMPROMISE, you ‘tarded little fool! That COMPROMISE is part of where many of their problems come from. But you didn’t know that, did you little fool?
It is a compromise of necessity on the part of the citizens, not the govment. The British govment decides what it will cover and what it won’t but the citizens won’t be taxed less if certain meds don’t make the list, in that case they are on their own.
The U.S. govment regulates a great many private things in our society, it could take a hand in regulating health-care too such as large bonus payouts and denying service on technicalities (for example).
November 9th, 2007 at 5:26 pmYah, great system, let the government clerks decide on your behalf, they do so well with everything else.
I would rather have a government clerk decide on my health benefits than a clerk in a for-profit HMO. The government clerk has no incentive to make sure I don’t get the care I need. The clerk in the for-profit HMO does have an incentive to make sure I don’t get the care I need.
Don’t listen to Minotaur’s scare story either. My sister lives in England and the only reason why she is still there is their health care system. She has never been denied any health care she needs and she knows of no one else who has. There are occasional stories like the one that Minotaur quotes, but they are very few and far between. Much less than the hundreds of thousands of stories in this country of people who died because they couldn’t get health care or people who were bankrupted and made homeless because their insurance policy didn’t cover much of the care they needed.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:26 pmPercent GDP spent on Healthcare:
England: 7.8%
US: 15.2%
Percent Change in Healthcare Costs from 1980-2003
England: 2.2%
November 9th, 2007 at 5:28 pmUS: 6.4%
It isn’t free, someone always needs to pay for everything, even govment healthcare. A pure-tax, socialized system will still need to cope with paying wages and buying material (meds and equipment) and the only way to gain more funds is to raise taxes.
Especially in a services economy like Britains, where wages rise regularly, the NHS must also hike their wages to compete with the private sector. Again, there is only one well to turn to for more money, even though increased spending won’t mean increased amount or quality of treatment.
You pay for it, just not directly from your wallet.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Sure the money comes from somebody’s wallet. The fundimental problem is that 2/3’s of the money goes into insurer’s and pharm’s wallets and the rest is devoted to care.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:29 pmLike I said, do you really want a gov’ment clerk deciding that the medicine you need didn’t make the official list of approved medications so you are SOL?
Comment by Minotaur
Do you have any idea how many drugs are not on the HMO’s approved drug lists. Want to bet that the drug you are talking about is one of them? And you would rather have a for-profit HMO clerk who gets bonuses for denying coverage make medical life and death decisions for you? If so, you are an even bigger fool than you appear to be.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:29 pmIt is a compromise of necessity on the part of the citizens, not the govment. The British govment decides what it will cover and what it won’t but the citizens won’t be taxed less if certain meds don’t make the list, in that case they are on their own. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
BAHAHA, you didn’t get what I said - figures. As for WHAT WILL BE COVERED - you DUM BASS, EVERY MEDICAL PROGRAM, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DOES THAT!
The U.S. govment regulates a great many private things in our society, it could take a hand in regulating health-care too such as large bonus payouts and denying service on technicalities (for example).
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
You want GOVERNMENT REGULATION? So you TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO PREVENT DENIAL OF SERVICE, but you DON’T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO NOT GIVE DENIAL OF SERVICE?
BAHAHAHA, that’s SO STUPID I’m LOSING MY GUT LAUGHING AT YOUR PYSCHOTIC BREAK!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:30 pmConsidering the enormous legal and ethical baggage DeLay carries with him, how in the world is he giving speeches in the UK seemingly representing the US politics ?
Kind of like having a mass murder giving speeches on mercy.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:33 pmYeah, that’s REALLY BAD TAXING Minotaur! You’re a moron!
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 9, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Great, now the completely medically covered British dad can head home to die because the govment decided his needed meds didn’t fit under the heading of “necessary”.
You can only tax people 100% of what they earn (though not recommended) or else you have to meter the provided services, leading to the case of Mr. Brit here who had to turn to alternate means to get what he needed to live.
If demand outstrips supply of ANYTHING, someone is going to go without and this includes state healthcare, and if the state provides a product they might just decide to provide you with a list of required guidelines to live by, bumping smack into certain Constitutional guarantees that we all enjoy.
Now I know on your planet everything is free, but since you and Kucinich are the only ones ON that planet, resources are probably pretty abundant.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:33 pmIt isn’t free, someone always needs to pay for everything, even govment healthcare. A pure-tax, socialized system will still need to cope with paying wages and buying material (meds and equipment) and the only way to gain more funds is to raise taxes.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
I defy you to name one person who has advocated your mythical “pure-tax socialized system”. Don’t bother, there’s no such person.
Here’s the deal:
If individual companies compete, the total price go’s down. If everybody pays, everybody’s covered. If everybody pays, what they can afford, the average price go’s down. If the average price go’s down, those who, currently, pay the most WOULD PAY LESS!!!
Why would politicians, from both sides of the aisle, block such a reasonable course of action?
1. Democrats: They are being paid by those who make the most profit.
2. Republicans: See above, plus, they vote party lines on legislation brought by the Democrats who aren’t in the pockets of industry.
Get it!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:34 pmHalf-man,Half-Bull: “It isn’t free, someone always needs to pay for everything, even govment healthcare.”
Another lame strawman argument. Nobody ever said it was free. The question is what works best. Again, we pay much more than the rest of the industrialized world per capita for poorer results.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:35 pmHalf-man,Half-Bull: “It isn’t free, someone always needs to pay for everything, even govment healthcare.â€
Another lame strawman argument. Nobody ever said it was free. The question is what works best. Again, we pay much more than the rest of the industrialized world per capita for poorer results.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 9, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
November 9th, 2007 at 5:37 pmIt’s all bull shit.
Hey, Ret Col.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI wonder what these retards do as they retreat from their mother’s basements into the real world.
Great, now the completely medically covered British dad can head home to die because the govment decided his needed meds didn’t fit under the heading of “necessaryâ€. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Great, now the completely covered (insured) American dad can head home to die, because the insurance company decided his needed meds didn’t fit under the heading of “necessary”. As for YOUR LINK, the DRUG IS NOT A CURE - so your WHINY STRAWMAN is JUST STUPID!
You can only tax people 100% of what they earn (though not recommended) or else you have to meter the provided services, leading to the case of Mr. Brit here who had to turn to alternate means to get what he needed to live. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
You mean where he wanted a drug that’s not LIFE SAVING? What ALTERNATIVE DRUGS WERE AVAILABLE? Did he turn them down? Why did he want that SPECIFIC drug?
If demand outstrips supply of ANYTHING, someone is going to go without and this includes state healthcare, and if the state provides a product they might just decide to provide you with a list of required guidelines to live by, bumping smack into certain Constitutional guarantees that we all enjoy. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
What a Stupid strawman!
Now I know on your planet everything is free, but since you and Kucinich are the only ones ON that planet, resources are probably pretty abundant.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Oh PUHLEASE, CUT THE COMMIE HATING CRAP OUT, you FASCIST F**KHEAD NAZI!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:42 pmThe British NHS lacks a family doctor service, has inefficient long-term care services and a diminished priority for cancer patients (see my example above). Don’t even get me started on the dentistry.
And as for the oldsters in society, only the neediest elderly will receive publicly-funded assistance at home; those with “mild to moderate needs†must rely on alternative resources.
For the slow like you this means “other than govment healthcareâ€.
Comment by Minotaur
And you know this how? Do you live in England? My sister lives there and she would dispute everything you have said. She won’t come back here because of the benefits she gets in England. She has a private doctor and even one that came to her home in the middle of the night once. And every citizen in England is eligible for public funded assistance no matter what their age is. If someone is homeless, they find lodging for them and give them money to feed themselves.
My sister once told me, why should I come back to a country where the people are not respected, where health care and basic needs are considered to be a right and not a privilege.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:43 pmYou want GOVERNMENT REGULATION? So you TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO PREVENT DENIAL OF SERVICE, but you DON’T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO NOT GIVE DENIAL OF SERVICE?
I said “regulate” you ignant bug eater, not run. The idea is to regulate service and investigate indiscrepancies, not to outlaw EVERY denial of service, some of which may be justified.
Now get back to your Dora© cartoons.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:44 pmI wonder what these retards do as they retreat from their mother’s basements into the real world.
Comment by WaltTheMan — November 9, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
They run back inside while screaming, “Help me Mommy! There’s LEFTISTS!! LEFTISTS!!!”
November 9th, 2007 at 5:44 pmSo Minotaur, you believe this many should receive 100k in drugs a year, for a drug that hasn’t proven to cure the patient?
Then WHY aren’t you WHINING THAT THE EVIL INSURANCE COMPANIES IN THE US DON’T COVER IT EITHER?
JUST MORE GOP HYPOCRISY!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI said “regulate†you ignant bug eater, not run. The idea is to regulate service and investigate indiscrepancies, not to outlaw EVERY denial of service, some of which may be justified.
Now get back to your Dora© cartoons.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
If GuvMunt is SO INCOMPETENT, why can’t they run, but they can regulate, you ignorant sh!!teater? You TRUST THE GOVMUNT JUDGEMENT, but you don’t trust the GOVMUNT JUDGEMENT!!!
YOU ARE A COMPLETE SH!!!TEATING MORON!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:48 pmAnd you know this how?
From an article in the Harvard Review which did a study of the British NHS.
Really, do you believe that everyone who opines on a blog just happens to know intimate details about such diverse topics as the British healthcare system, the Pakistani government or French civilian nuclear policy?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:49 pmOf course, if the “minnow-turd” could find it’s way out of it’s maze, it would have done so within the last couple thousand years. I don’t think we need to worry about it breaking out of the basement.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:49 pmDeLay: ‘No American Is Denied Health Care In America’
November 9th, 2007 at 5:51 pmThen someone tell me why 18,000, not seniors or disabled as they have medicare, die each year because of lack of health care. I am sick to death of these greedy bastards playing politics around lies that are killing thousands of our working class. And these folks call themselves Christians????
Walt: “Hey, Ret Col.
I wonder what these retards do as they retreat from their mother’s basements into the real world.”
It’s very strange. I think we’re dealing with a certain kind of person. John Dean hit the nail on the head with his “Conservatives without Conscience.” Possibly 25% of the population could be classified by professionals as having “sociopathic tendencies.” By coincidence about 24% of the population believes Bush has been leading the country in the right direction.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:51 pmReally, do you believe that everyone who opines on a blog just happens to know intimate details about such diverse topics as the British healthcare system, the Pakistani government or French civilian nuclear policy?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Actually, yes, some people know more than others. Just as virtually everyone here knows more than you about, well, just about anything.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:52 pmReally, do you believe that everyone who opines on a blog just happens to know intimate details about such diverse topics as the British healthcare system, the Pakistani government or French civilian nuclear policy?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Gee. All that and you don’t have a clue about the people just outside your door? How very sad. All that potential, pissed away.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:52 pmFrom an article in the Harvard Review which did a study of the British NHS.
Really, do you believe that everyone who opines on a blog just happens to know intimate details about such diverse topics as the British healthcare system, the Pakistani government or French civilian nuclear policy?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Any Progressive that posts here knows more about any of those topics that a brain damaged sh!!t eater like yourself!
Now while you WHINE about what HARVARD writes, how about what OECD writes? Because for the money, the British system DESTROYS OURS!!!!!!!
And if you’re referring to the article in the Harvard Review by Joseph Luna, it wasn’t HARVARD that reviewed the English system - it was in fact the CONSERVATIVES IN THE UK THAT WANT TO UNDO THE SYSTEM that supplied all of that sh!!!t you post here! Their WHINING is as UNSUBSTANTIATED as YOURS!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThis is most likely the source of Minotaur’s claim about Harvard’s REVIEW.
Or tell us Minotaur, do you have an ACTUAL REVIEW to point to? Or is this ‘article’ what passes for REVIEW among you ignorant wingnuts?
http://hir.harvard.edu/articles/1543/
November 9th, 2007 at 5:54 pmHey RHF, Gum, Col and the rest. This argument has drifted into a topic I hold dear. Authoritarians. I’m not trying to further derail things but, if you get a chance you should check out this link. It’s a must read.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
November 9th, 2007 at 5:55 pmIf GuvMunt is SO INCOMPETENT, why can’t they run, but they can regulate, you ignorant sh!!teater?
You have been sifting through cat litter too often my boy, much too often.
Regulate means the govment can set certain standards and monitor conduct within those standards for accuracy, a far cry from actually performing the work. Do you understand that yet or should I get Kucinich to zap your brain with his alien-technology skull blaster?
Now I know that you are dumb (judging by your increasingly aberrant posts), I just didn’t realize HOW dumb until now.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:56 pmDeLay needed to qualify his statement a little more.
He said, “There are 47 million people who don’t have health insurance, but no American is denied health care in America.”
He needed to say, “There are 47 million people who don’t have health insurance, but no American is denied health care in America as long as they can pay for it.”
Or he could have said, “There are 47 million people who don’t have health insurance, but no American is denied health care in America in an emergency room if they are experiencing a genuine medical emergency, and they will be charged for their care. Of course, medical costs IS the biggest reason for bankruptcy in our country.”
November 9th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThis is most likely the source of Minotaur’s claim about Harvard’s REVIEW.
Or tell us Minotaur, do you have an ACTUAL REVIEW to point to? Or is this ‘article’ what passes for REVIEW among you ignorant wingnuts?
http://hir.harvard.edu/articles/1543/
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 9, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
In all likelihood, he was merely parroting what some other wingnut wrote about what he read in this particular article and certainly not through any actual research.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:57 pmOn Bernie Wards show a caller called in concerned about Hillary’s health care plan. This caller, age 67, on dialysis for a number of years claims Hillary’s health care plan in the ’90’s would limit those receiving dialysis to only age 55.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:58 pmDo you understand that yet or should I get Kucinich to zap your brain with his alien-technology skull blaster?
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
What’s with the Kucinich obsession? I would think that a “smart” troll like yourself would know he’s just a “shiny rabbit” to take your attention away from Hillary.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pmNow I know that you are dumb (judging by your increasingly aberrant posts), I just didn’t realize HOW dumb until now.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Coming from someone with the acumen of roadkill, this is great humor.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pmI agree with that Walt. If they could cut out the middle man (corporations) and go to a single payer system, it would be a very good start. SO much more would go to actually caring for the patients - and not just that patients who could afford it.
My husband is a physician for poor patients that can’t afford health insurance and are on State Aid. He comes home with horror stories every day of the week. Its very discouraging and his hands are tied by the medical care beauracracies. Tom DeLay doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Its out there, its prevalent, he just hasn’t seen it up close and personal. He’s a fool.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:01 pmYou have been sifting through cat litter too often my boy, much too often. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
You’ve been sucking the sh!!t out of your cat old woman! Open up a can of that cat food, and eat that instead next time, my old girl!
Regulate means the govment can set certain standards and monitor conduct within those standards for accuracy, a far cry from actually performing the work. Do you understand that yet or should I get Kucinich to zap your brain with his alien-technology skull blaster? Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
So they can PERFORM THE WORK OF ENSURING COVERAGE, but they can’t PERFORM THE WORK OF ENSURING COVERAGE?
BAHAHA, You’re SO DUMB, you make GEORGE LOOK SMART!
Now I know that you are dumb (judging by your increasingly aberrant posts), I just didn’t realize HOW dumb until now.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Says the MORON that thought an ARTICLE IN A JOURNAL was a REVIEW OF ENGLAND’S HEALTHCARE!
Stop sucking the sh!!!t out of the cat old woman, it’s just aggravating your dementia!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:03 pmComing from someone with the acumen of roadkill, this is great humor.
Comment by gummitch — November 9, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Well, at least this one has the sense to stay around the topic, while not actually offering anything. It’s an interesting trick. Kinda like a cat that can flush a toilet.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:04 pmIn all likelihood, he was merely parroting what some other wingnut wrote about what he read in this particular article and certainly not through any actual research.
Comment by gummitch — November 9, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Exactly! The poor little ‘tard probably never even looked at the OECD data I sent over! Heck, I bet the old woman is so demented she doesn’t even know what the OECD IS!!!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:04 pmWell, at least this one has the sense to stay around the topic, while not actually offering anything. It’s an interesting trick. Kinda like a cat that can flush a toilet.
Comment by pete — November 9, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
More like an old dog (b11tch) barking at a mirror looking for the other dog! She’s so stupid she doesn’t even know how stupid she is!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:05 pmIs this the same Tom DeLay who wrote the book “No Retreat, No Surrender” shortly after he retreated from Congress in disgrace and surrendered his seat to a Democrat in 2006?
November 9th, 2007 at 6:08 pmIn all likelihood, he was merely parroting what some other wingnut wrote about what he read in this particular article and certainly not through any actual research.
Well at least you are following the libfloggian template of declaring any opposing viewpoint as wingnuttery, you get an A for consistency.
I guess you need to dig farther and see what this guy from Harvard had to reference, groups like the Kings Fund and the Royal Commission on Long-Term Care.
Ya see, researching things on the web often demands referencing things that OTHER people have already researched…because not all of us are between jobs with lots o’ time to spend at the keyboard.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:09 pmWell at least you are following the libfloggian template of declaring any opposing viewpoint as wingnuttery, you get an A for consistency.
I guess you need to dig farther and see what this guy from Harvard had to reference, groups like the Kings Fund and the Royal Commission on Long-Term Care.
Ya see, researching things on the web often demands referencing things that OTHER people have already researched…because not all of us are between jobs with lots o’ time to spend at the keyboard.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
So you ADMIT THAT YOU LIED about it being a HARVARD REVIEW?
NICE!!!
See, just because you LIED and you were IGNORANT doesn’t mean that OTHERS ARE - which is YOUR ASSUMPTION - POOR OLD ‘TARD!!!
If you don’t have LOTS OF TIME to RESEARCH, why are you SHARING YOUR UNINFORMED IGNORANCE with those that are MORE INFORMED? STUPIDITY OR ARROGANCE OLD GAL?
Now, I’m STILL WAITING for you to CRITICIZE THOSE AMERICAN INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT ARE DENYING THEIR PATIENTS THE SAME DRUG!!!
COME ON, WHY ARE WE WORSE AGAIN? LITTLE OLD “TARD?
November 9th, 2007 at 6:13 pmSays the MORON that thought an ARTICLE IN A JOURNAL was a REVIEW OF ENGLAND’S HEALTHCARE!
Comical, to say the least. Perhaps you need to get your boyfriend to read it to you again, the article that HIGHLIGHTS certain discrepancies in the British healthcare system and never claimed to be complete review of said system.
You see…highlights are meant to point out certain pros and cons of something without subjecting the reader to a full-blown perusal.
D@mn, if I have to kick your buck-teeth out on these simple things any longer, imagine how tired I’ll be when I do it for real.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComical, to say the least. Perhaps you need to get your boyfriend to read it to you again, the article that HIGHLIGHTS certain discrepancies in the British healthcare system and never claimed to be complete review of said system. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Yet that’s what YOU IMPLIED on here, old gal. Maybe if you stopped licking your kitty’s @ss and c#it, you wouldn’t be so deranged!
You see…highlights are meant to point out certain pros and cons of something without subjecting the reader to a full-blown perusal. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
You see, spreading PROPAGANDA doesn’t point out the PROS and CONS, it CONS people with DISTORTED OPINIONS! That’s what you do, old gal!
D@mn, if I have to kick your buck-teeth out on these simple things any longer, imagine how tired I’ll be when I do it for real.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Buck Teeth? Sounds more like what happens when you spend all of your time licking your kitty’s @ss old lady - LIKE YOU DO!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:20 pmStill waiting for you TO CONDEMN THOSE INSURANCE COMPANIES, you FOUL SMELLING OLD B!!!CH!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:21 pmHalf-man, Half-bull: if I have to kick your buck-teeth out on these simple things any longer, imagine how tired I’ll be when I do it for real.”
Poor little Bush cultist. He’s getting frustrated and cranky and has resorted to threats of violence. Good job, dumbass.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:22 pmCall your representatives today and tell them you support HR676, and you want this bill passed. Learn more:
What is Single Payer Health Care?
Single Payer Plan, the ONLY Solution
What the American College of Physicians say about Single Payer.
Text of HR676 (United States Health Insurance Act)
By the way folks, I WAS DENIED HEALTH CARE in 2005 after being downsized from a Fortune 100 company and losing my health insurance. I am a lifelong survivor of Congenital Heart Disease, my Cardiologist supports HR676 and so do most of the doctors I speak to daily. It is time we start to take care of our own, it is time we take back the country from the Oligarchy who would run us into oblivion for the sake of profit.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:22 pmBottom line is that DeLay is maybe one of the biggest scumbags to wear the elephant pin and that covers a LOT of ground!
Any troll here that will defend that clown has shown his/her true colors to being a traitor to this country and to humanity in general.
Tommy and Dubya are two examples of why there should be abortions in Texas.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:25 pmSo you ADMIT THAT YOU LIED about it being a HARVARD REVIEW?
NICE!!!See, just because you LIED and you were IGNORANT doesn’t mean that OTHERS ARE - which is YOUR ASSUMPTION - POOR OLD ‘TARD!!!
Umm, I said this you bloviating chimney sweep:
“From an article in the Harvard Review
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 5:49 pm”
Now most people would catch on that ‘The Harvard Review’ wasn’t an actual review of the British NHS because you would never be able to tell ANY review apart if they were all called simply “The Harvard Review”.
Similar to calling every model of automobile “The Car”, such a practice wouldn’t make sense, except perhaps to the really doltish biscuit-eaters who inhabit your particular goof-ghetto.
Go sift your cat-litter, junior.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:26 pmPoor little Bush cultist. He’s getting frustrated and cranky and has resorted to threats of violence. Good job, dumbass.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 9, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
I rubbed the old gal’s nose in her own sh!!t and showed she had LIED, poor old thing has no recourse but to want to violently lash out! She’s a product of POOR PARENTING and childish moments like that show what a disservice her parents did by raising such a selfish little b!!tch with the belief that she is a PRINCESS. She doesn’t scare me, she’s just a cowardly howler monkey like the rest of your kind!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:27 pmShe doesn’t scare me, she’s just a cowardly howler monkey like the rest of your kind!
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 9, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Sorry, I meant HER KIND, not YOUR KIND…
November 9th, 2007 at 6:28 pmTom Delay and other politicians really are out of touch, aren’t they? Many Americans are denied health care.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:28 pmYa see, researching things on the web often demands referencing things that OTHER people have already researched…because not all of us are between jobs with lots o’ time to spend at the keyboard.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
You might want to think about getting a library card and doing “research” somewhere else besides the Internet. Crack a book, in other words.
Ha. As if.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:29 pmNow most people would catch on that ‘The Harvard Review’ wasn’t an actual review of the British NHS because you would never be able to tell ANY review apart if they were all called simply “The Harvard Reviewâ€.
Similar to calling every model of automobile “The Carâ€, such a practice wouldn’t make sense, except perhaps to the really doltish biscuit-eaters who inhabit your particular goof-ghetto.
Go sift your cat-litter, junior.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
BAHAHA, that’s YOUR EXCUSE? No a HARVARD REVIEW would be a REVIEW done by HARVARD. What you referenced was an ARTICLE in the HARVARD REVIEW. So you either INTENTIONALLY LIED, or were so IGNORANT from sucking the sh!!t out of your cat’s @ss instead of doing your research, that the GOOF GHETO caught you in your OWN LIE.
Here we have YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A LACK OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of the GOP. By STATING A HARVARD REVIEW, she FALSELY implies this is the OPINION of Harvard. NOT TRUE! The article merely covers what VARIOUS SOURCES are saying!
But here we go, LYING GOP, YET AGAIN!!! They can’t win with FACTS, so like MISS KITTY LITTER MOUTH, she LIES and LIES and LIES!! I’d say minotaur is ALL BULL (actually ALL COW)!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:31 pmDo you understand that yet or should I get Kucinich to zap your brain with his alien-technology skull blaster?
Comment by Minotaur
No No No, it was Ronny Raygun that saw UFOs and created the Star Wars system
November 9th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe poor old ‘tard doesn’t understand that not EVERYTHING in the HARVARD REVIEW is a HARVARD REVIEW!!!!! Poor old ‘tard!
See old fool. It’s like when the NYTimes lets OPed pieces by your TRASHY GOP HACKS post NON-FACTS. It’s not an ARTICLE, it’s therefore not fact checked. Yet you HACKS constantly say an ARTICLE WAS IN THE NYTIMES, when in fact it was an OPED! It’s a LIE a DISTORTION and an INTENTION TO DECEIVE (or a reality of you being stupid).
Oh, and you’re welcome for me taking the time to explain how the REAL WORLD WORKS old lady! You really should make HUMAN friends, and stop having sex with your kittens!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:33 pmPoor little Bush cultist. He’s getting frustrated and cranky and has resorted to threats of violence. Good job, dumbass.
Nah, just returning the favor to the really stupid liver-flukes you have swimming around here.
Most of you dimwits OPEN your post with an insult and only then do you take a tortured stab at formulating a response; kind of throws a wrench into the symbolic intent of the word “think” which constitutes the name of this site.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:35 pmDo you understand that yet or should I get Kucinich to zap your brain with his alien-technology skull blaster?
Comment by Minotaur
No No No, it was Ronny Raygun that saw UFOs and created the Star Wars system
Comment by Xisithrus — November 9, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
The poor old gal doesn’t realize that saying you saw a UFO doesn’t mean you saw ‘aliens’. Many things are UFO (that’s what the U is for - unidentified). Including SECRET PLANES. To say you saw a UFO is not unexpected - lots of people do. To see little green men, is more of a Ronnie thing!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:35 pmNah, just returning the favor to the really stupid liver-flukes you have swimming around here. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Then you should STOP SWIMMING - FLUKE!
Most of you dimwits OPEN your post with an insult and only then do you take a tortured stab at formulating a response; kind of throws a wrench into the symbolic intent of the word “think†which constitutes the name of this site.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
That’s because you TROLLS are SO STUPID you start your posts WITH LIES and IGNORANCE that we’ve heard OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!! We have no patience for your SELF INDUCED COMA! YOU OLD KITTEN MOLESTER!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:36 pmStill waiting for you to criticize the INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR DENYING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE the same care you say the UK only denied ONE PERSON SO FAR?
November 9th, 2007 at 6:36 pmComment by Minotaur
Tha you MA?
November 9th, 2007 at 6:40 pmIt’s not an ARTICLE, it’s therefore not fact checked.
Articles can’t contain facts?
If you had bothered to convince your twink to read and explain the “article” to you then you might have learned that the author referenced data provided by other sources, some of which were groups directly affiliated with the British government.
Now I know that you get stuck on simple words and simple concepts so I don’t mind explaining these things to you over and over and over….and over and over and over. And over again. I just didn’t realize that ‘lernin’ libfartian marshmallow twizzle-sticks like yourself would get so tedious.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:41 pmThe arrogance is written on his face for all to see. He may make a claim like this because if you are in dire straights and go to an ER they have to treat you. At least that’s my understanding. It’s a far cry from having full medical benefits or the fact that those who have to go to the ER will get a service level well below those holding insurance. I would like to know where Mr. Delay gets his insurance or does he just simply go to the emergency room? Doctors in ER’s typically find it difficult to carry on with their ER duties and provide “doctor visits” other than emergencies. Mr. Delay’s statement belies this fact that the emergency rooms are not tasked with day to day doctor visit stuff and patients who need to visit with a regular doctor clutter the emergency room and impede real emergency cases. I think his position is dishonest and waves off any consideration of what is really needed…a health care system that is for everyone which is imbued with dignity for the patient and a real concern for outcomes by being operated in an effective and patient friendly manner. Being homeless or broke and sitting in the emergency room for hours waiting to be seen is no answer.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:42 pmTom Delay and other politicians really are out of touch, aren’t they? Many Americans are denied health care.
Comment by ForTruth — November 9, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
And so, of course, that’s the one subject the “minnow-turd” seems to avoid at all costs. I’m one of thousands of Insured Americans who were wrongly denied urgent care. It’s effed me up pretty bad.
For Tommy to claim, “American’s are not denied health care”, is a bald faced lie. To deny this, or not accept the simple fact that our health care system needs an overhaul, is idiotic. Or malevolent.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:42 pmTo see little green men, is more of a Ronnie thing!
Comment by republicans hate facts
Greem men and pink elephants.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:44 pmStill waiting for you to criticize the INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR DENYING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE the same care you say the UK only denied ONE PERSON SO FAR?
Sorry about that, your polite request may have gotten lost in the shuffle.
Ahem:
I think its shameful and abhorrent for the insurance companies to deny care to anyone based on nothing more than the bottom line and the pursuit of large executive bonuses.
There, now you can open the valve on the side of your head and release some of that steam.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:44 pmArticles can’t contain facts? Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Pull your tongue of your kitten’s @ss and re-read the post. Articles are fact check at least to the point where they say “source 1 provided this”. It doesn’t have to be accurate, but it does have to be an accurate quote. Op-Eds however do NOT HAVE TO CONTAIN ANY FACTS and in fact can contain FLAT OUT LIES.
If you had bothered to convince your twink to read and explain the “article†to you then you might have learned that the author referenced data provided by other sources, some of which were groups directly affiliated with the British government. Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Why all of the self loathing homophobia Mizz Cheney?
SOME OF WHICH? Yeah, with the HOUSE OF LORDS - as in the RICH ENGLISH THAT DON’T WANT TO HELP THE POOR - you STUPID OLD B!!TCH.
Now I know that you get stuck on simple words and simple concepts so I don’t mind explaining these things to you over and over and over….and over and over and over. And over again. I just didn’t realize that ‘lernin’ libfartian marshmallow twizzle-sticks like yourself would get so tedious.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Hehehe, poor old b!!tch, assumes everyone is a stupid git like she is!!!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:46 pmSorry about that, your polite request may have gotten lost in the shuffle.
Ahem:
I think its shameful and abhorrent for the insurance companies to deny care to anyone based on nothing more than the bottom line and the pursuit of large executive bonuses.
There, now you can open the valve on the side of your head and release some of that steam.
Comment by Minotaur — November 9, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
So then the problem you cited as UNACCEPTABLE is WORSE IN THE US than in the UK, so THEREFORE the UK SYSTEM IS BETTER!
Waiting for TROLL BRAIN TO EXPLODE VOMIT all of the kitty sh!!!t!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:47 pm