Comment by had enough — November 12, 2007 @ 11:13 pm

I’ll take that as a compliment. Would now be a bad moment to mention how frightened I am?

Agreed. And she’s, potentially, dangerous as heck. However, I’m willing to take the risk vs. ANY Republicriminal.

I’m just amused at the cries of “Hillary the liberal”. They might as well rant about “Bush’s powerful intellect”. “Rudy’s consistency”. Or, “Edward’s bad hair”. I sincerely hope that their attacks, on her liberalism, will further confirm the fact that the Republicans have parted with any semblance of rationality.

And, with any luck, those Republicans running for office will continue in the same vein. ANYTHING that sheds light on “the man behind the curtain” will help us reclaim our country. Assuming it’s not irrevocably lost.

Comment by had enough — November 12, 2007 @ 10:58 pm

well, there won’t be enough camps, nor enough guards. this is the same shit throughout history, and these rich fatcats will lose their heads, homes and families if they try that crap.

Comment by republicans hate facts — November 12, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

Texaslady? If I ever get down to Texas, Ma’am, the first round of longnecks is on you. :)

like RHF, I’m now an extremist, because throughout my lifetime, Republicans have created a huge mess every chance they get, Democrats have to clean it up after trouncing the Republicnas, and the cycle repeats. The differences between the parties have always been the same: the idealistic dems versus the “f**k you , I’ve got mine” Repukes; the warmongering right vs. the diplomacy of say, JFK and the Cuban missile crisis, the tax cuts to the rich and the myth of supply-side economics (still a myth, by the way, keltoi, never has worked, never will) vs. the balanced budget of Clinton, etc., etc., etc. Karl Rove is without a doubt the most antiAmerican person alive in the US right now, and puposefully set us on a course of divisiveness and cruelty. George Bush is a sociopathic whack job, and comparing him to Jimmy Carter is completely ridiculous in every way. Dick Cheney belongs in prison, and should have been marginalized by any rightwing patriot many years ago, but are there any rightwing patriots left? i can;t see or hear any, through the lies and screaming of O’Lielyy and Limbaugh and the rest of the nattering nabobs of negativism, to borrow a phrase and apply it correctly. the USA is being weakened and destroyed from within, and it is a conscious plan, published and presented by the neocons, who have the very Lex Luthor-like domination of the world in mind. Afghanistan was foolish, and badly done. The Taliban had to go? Where did they go? They’re still there selling opium and enslaving the populace. Bib Laden is untouched, 9/11 is unpunished and uninvestigated. Sure I’m an extremist, if that’s what you call someone who has watched his country taken from his children and grandchildren by criminals and psychopaths, because that’s where we’re headed. Only by ignoring history can anybody excuse and soft-pedal what the Bush regime is doing and attempting, and as far as i’m concerned, it’s nothing short of the destruction of democracy and freedom in the United States, all for a few bucks.

Ah yes. That pesky addiction to lying. Never mind.

Given the neocon trick of disinformation (though they can’t claim a monopoly!) I figure they will try to “finesse the numbers” to support their claim of a strong economy. Then, when the regime (I mean administration) changes, to the other side, they can acknowledge the true state of the economy and blame the newcomer for “wrecking the economy”.

Some variation of this tactic has been used many times before.

Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 12, 2007 @ 8:15 pm

That is what Her Majesties Navy calls, A LIE. (Python Monty TM)

The figures are readily available. Government revenue has decreased sinc Bushy’s tax cut. It worked, once, for Reagan. Not so lucky this time around.

Comment by Keltoi at Night —

This “past battle” was called the Arkansas Project, and was a concerted effort on the part of Righties to smear the Clintons since Bill took office. There was no precedent for the behavior of the Right in going after Clinton, so the “both sides do it” rationale falls flat.

Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 12, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

When my wish for revenge was fresh, Yes, it seemed legit. Now? Not so much.

I think that a limited action in concert with Pakistan (to cover AQ’s escape route) would have been more reasonable. I have little doubt that it could have worked though I admit that direct conflict with the Taliban was likely. However, I think we should have tried a “measured response” which avoided all out invasion.

I don’t think that the overthrow of a government, to get at a private group of criminals, is the best response. It seems akin to “killing the host to get the parasites”. After all, we don’t put down our dogs to kill their worms.

And, I have yet to see concrete evidence supporting the contention that the Taliban was an active participant, rhetoric notwithstanding. It may exist, but I haven’t seen it.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — November 12, 2007 @ 8:08 pm

Too close to Monday Night Football for an economics debate, but I will say this: The tax cuts led to greater tax revenues taken in by the government due to increased economic activity. That is a potent argument for supply side economics. Second, the Republican congress betrayed every conservative principle by spending as they did and were rightly punished for it.

I’d say the tax cuts were a good thing, money belongs to the people who make it, not the government.

Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 12,

The money went to the corporations… multinational corporations, not here and now our dollar is dropping fast. This is a good thing?

Oh, I dunno, read some of Republicans Hate Facts, Lefty Patriot etc posts. I don’t know how to quantify the numbers or percents of both sides extremists. The Right attracts the religious freaks, so they probably have more numerous Black and White types, I’ll grant you that.

In fact, I don’t think what you’re describing is so much “black and white” as it is exaggeration born out of frustration.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — November 12, 2007 @ 7:

I agree with this. As far as your comment about the Clintons being the victims rather than the perpetrators of polarizing politics – it almost makes my point for me. We start at the baseline of arguing over past battles. I have seen this movie. Go, Barack, Go! There is no one in the Democratic primary I wouldn’t vote for over Hillary.

Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 12, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

I don’t want to presume to speak for Pete, but it was clear to me that he was speaking of Iraq, not Afghanistan.