Bush vetoes health and education bill.
By on Nov 13th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Bush vetoes health and education bill.
On Air Force One today, President Bush vetoed a $606 billion education and health measure while signing “a big increase in the Pentagon’s non-war budget.” The health and education bill is “a bipartisan bill supported by over 50 Republicans,” House Appropriations Committee David Obey (D-WI) said in response. “There has been virtually no criticism of its contents. It is clear the only reason the president vetoed this bill is pure politics.”
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This is a good example of accurate prioritization in the overall context. Good decision.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:46 amWhy does Chimpy hate education?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:47 amBush said: “Their majority was elected on a pledge of fiscal responsibility, but so far it is acting like a teenager with a new credit card.”
who wouldn’t be proud of their teenager for using that credit card to help kids with healthcare rather than to buy clothes, cars and burgers for themselves?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:47 amIt is very stupid for Bush and his cultists to demonize universal health care when its favored by 60-70% majority. Watching the GOP noise machine attack CHIP is like watching a zombie walk into a buzz saw.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:49 amWhy does Chimpy hate education?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 13, 2007 @ 11:47 am
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans – unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thingâ€
- Karl Rove
November 13th, 2007 at 11:49 amThis is another example of the futility of compromise.
Bush and Cheney are the problem. It is time to remove them. It is time for IMPEACHMENT. Make every Republican either stand with him or with the American people.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:51 amComment by toasterhead — November 13, 2007 @ 11:49 am
Great quote, TH. Quite telling.^_^
November 13th, 2007 at 11:52 amI just wanna point out, Pelosi and Reid are doing a good job of smacking the GOP around on health care. It’s an issue most Americans care deeply about, and GOP members of Congress, if they want to keep their jobs, are gonna have to split with the White House on this. That’s a first, and it bodes well for the Dems’ effort to reign in Bush’s Iraq fiasco.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:52 amNo Child Left Behind……where is the funding for the mouth ? Bush doesn’t even try to look like a decent human anymore. Well, at least his true self is out in front after sneaking around for years.
Wonder if any 24%ers are reading and waking up?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:53 amPeter C sez:
Before we worry about the Repubs, we’d better focus on the traitorous Dems who are fighting tooth and nail to insure that impeachment proceedings never see the light of day.
Pelosi, I’m looking at you.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:54 amDavid Obey (D-WI) said in response. “There has been virtually no criticism of its contents. It is clear the only reason the president vetoed this bill is pure politics.â€
Then override the damn veto.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:55 amPeter C – I would just like to see a mandatory psychiatric evaluation done on Presidents STARTING WITH BUSH AND CHENEY .
November 13th, 2007 at 11:55 amBush said: “Their majority was elected on a pledge of fiscal responsibility, but so far it is acting like a teenager with a new credit card.â€
who wouldn’t be proud of their teenager for using that credit card to help kids with healthcare rather than to buy clothes, cars and burgers for themselves?
Comment by Pete Bogs — November 13, 2007 @ 11:47 am
A teenager using a new credit card to pay for essentials such as their health care and education shows far more responsibility than a guy who has maxed out his credit card on a lost cause and keeps begging to have his credit limit raised.
Bush complaining about Dems spending money shows far more chutzpah than I’ve seen in any other president, Dem or GOP.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:57 amDid Georgie just give us the stinkfinger again? The Republicans are going to get very scared when they realiize they’ve hitched their wagons to a big fat ox that’s floundering in quicksand.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:57 amtexaslady sez:
Actually, I think that just about every president would fail a standard psych evaluation…the qualities that compel one to seek the office would probably render one at least slightly “abberant”.
Of course, I’m equally sure that only a few presidents would qualify as criminally insane…
November 13th, 2007 at 11:59 amLast line of the article is very telling:
“Once war costs are added in, the total defense budget will be significantly higher than during the typical Cold War year, even after adjusting for inflation.”
Worth remembering Eisenhower’s apocryphal words: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
November 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pmThe war now costs a family of four +/- $20,000.00. Do you have 20 grand just lying around? Me neither. If you had 20 grand, where would you spend it? Probably education for your kids and healthcare for your family, right? Certainly not on an illegal vanity war.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pmI keep telling myself 14 more months, but it really (sadly) doesn’t help.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pmBecause he is by his own proclamation, a “war president”, it is the ONLY thing he believes in funding. Nothing else matters, only his war.
For those of you who may have missed it, Golden Corral buffet had free dinners nationwide for veterans in observance of Veteran’s day. They will have one next year if you missed out.
Thank you for the dinner Golden Corral.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pmThe article didn’t give a breakdown of how much total support this bill has in the House, but if all Dems (233) supported it, plus 50 Republicans, they still need to gain 9 supporters to reach the magic override number of 292.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:03 pmTeenager with a new credit card. That’s coming from someone who has bankrupted 3 seperate companies and is drowning us in debt to support his Iraq “habit”. No Bush, you are pushing the republicans into obscurity.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pmfinallyinsf sez:
Educate yourself.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pmMissMolly – Bush has over spent more than any other President and nothing has come back to help the states. You name the program and is is underfunded. Makes me wonder how REALLY deep in debt America is rather than what is reported.
The housing collapse will be a domino affect throughout, couple that with high gas prices and the laughing Republican/conservatives will be starting a garden in their backyard with some chickens as well.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:08 pmTripMaster I actually wonder why anyone would want the job, perhaps you do have to be partially insane. Could it be worth all those cream chicken dinners and the schmoozing ?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmGW666 is making himself “Relevant” again.
Blue Stater – yeah, 14 months is a long time, for GW666 and Darth Dick that is more than enough time to finish off the republic and finish the establishment of their Dictatorship.
Ignore (s)hits
Buck Fush
November 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmYeah, well, what did Democrats expect? Of course, he vetoed it. He’s going to veto every piece of legislation they pass.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:14 pmAnd what do Democrats do? They criticize Bush while they confirm his pro-torture AG. They sign trade deals that take away our jobs. They’re probably going to give telecoms immunity from prosecution. They give him more funds for the Occupation.
The criticism is getting old and doesn’t accomplish anything, but some of the people fall it. It’s easy to complain.
What the Democrats CAN do is begin impeachment. I don’t care if it goes nowhere–at least, it would be part of the national conversation.
But no. The Leadership would rather spend the next year complaining about how bad Bush and the Republicans are, while our Constitution is being torn to pieces and soldiers and Iraqi citizens are dying.
#27 – I have a calendar that counts down the days left…still wonder if we can’t find another Monica Lewinski to hurry it along.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:15 pmDown with people, up with slaughter. That’s Ja…, I mean hits’ ticket, eh?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pm…”This is a bipartisan bill supported by over 50 Republicans,” Obey said….
…”The House fell three votes short of winning a veto-proof margin”…
Not “bipartisan” enough.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pmHow sad Bush is married to someone who touts reading, one of the twins is a teacher and he vetos funding for education. Laura is there no pillow talk in your house?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pm#32 – Sorry, can’t even stand to watch or hear Bush on the television. Our comment in this house whenever he appears is ASS HOLE !
November 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pmfinallyinsf sez:
Gee, I think I’ll try out that argument on my landlord next time the rent comes due. “But, but, haven’t I already spent money renting this apartment from you? Why didn’t that work?”
How do you think that conversation would end, genius?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:21 pmWarning! Possible troll alert.
finallyinsf ’s link leads to annie culter’s web site in all her dark roots glory.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pmtexaslady sez:
Perhaps, although you have the gender wrong. We’d need another Guckert/Gannon. ^_^
November 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pmmary sez:
Didn’t ‘michael’ link to Coultergeist’s page when he was around?
Hmmm…
November 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pmGee. TRILLIONS of our tax dollars on war and death….
Bubkes for education and health care.
Just how effed up is that??
November 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pmfinallyinsf sez:
See my earlier post for a simple explanation of how abysmally stupid that question really is, dolt.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pmTripMaster – You know there was talk regarding that little bit of news, I will have to find that article again and check the sources..
Rove’s comment tho when first meeting Bush in his flight jacket was, “He was gorgeous.” Little unusual for one guy to say about another.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pm#39 – There were no past dollars No Child Left Behind was underfunded, check the facts. Oh, forgot who you are, you people don’t like facts.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWhat the Democrats CAN do is begin impeachment. I don’t care if it goes nowhere–at least, it would be part of the national conversation.
But no. The Leadership would rather spend the next year complaining about how bad Bush and the Republicans are, while our Constitution is being torn to pieces and soldiers and Iraqi citizens are dying.
Comment by lefttown — November 13, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
The “leadership” (and I use that term with a certain degree of snark) is banking on discontent with BushCo to bring them a ton of more Dems in the House and Senate in 2008 — as well as the White House. Because they know they don’t have the votes for conviction in the Senate, they don’t see any political hay to be made from impeachment. In other words, party before country.
I disagree. Even if all the GOP Senators lock arms and firmly declare they will vote for acquittal before any trial starts, no matter what the evidence shows, no matter how grave the transgressions are, there are still some things the American public have the right to know.
There is evidence to suggest that Bush and Cheney lied to the American people to get us into a war in Iraq, that they have been trashing the constitution and then destroying documents belonging to the public to cover up their deeds, that they have attempted to influence elections by a number of different methods including putting cronies in U.S. Attorney positions, that people higher up than Scooter Libby were responsible for the outing of Valerie Plame as a warning/punishment to her non-koolaid drinking husband, etc. — the list goes on and on. There is more slime here than there ever was with Clinton lying about a blowjob, and the public deserves to see it out in the open.
Any impeachment of Bush and Cheney may very well likely end in acquittal, unless there’s a Goldwater moment. Even so, the public deserves investigation of all the evidence and a trial.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:30 pmfinallyinsf sez:
Again, see my earlier post, dolt. You’re not worth typing it all out all over again.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:33 pmIt is clear the only reason the president vetoed this bill is pure politics.
And he will continue to do this unless Pelosi puts impeachment on the table. As long as it is off the table Bush will continue to give Congress the finger.
Pelosi and Reid will go down in history with Bush as the worst of the worst.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:33 pmTripMaster Monkey – first of all thanks for the laughs about your rent payment and the gender preferences of a certain CIC. You’re on a roll today!
As far as ‘michael’ goes – do you think his culter-worship is pathological?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pmfinallyinsf sez:
Do your own homework, dolt. We’ve helped you enough already.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pmNo, you tell me? I want to see how smart/stupid you are!
Comment by finallyinsf — November 13, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
The michael troll has a new name.
I guess his question mark key is still taking a beating. :-D
November 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pmAnd what are the taxpayers going to get for this money that past dollars didn’t deliver?
Comment by finallyinsf — November 13, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Why does the troll “finallyinsf” think that education is not an ongoing process? Oh, that’s right, it’s a conservative. It stopped growing intellectually when it learned to poop in a potty.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pmfinallyinsf sez:
Again, educate yourself. Willful ignorance is not nearly as endearing as you would seem to believe.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pm“check the facts.
Comment by texasladyâ€
What are facts?
Comment by finallyinsf — November 13, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Conservatism explained!
November 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pmBush said: “Their majority was elected on a pledge of fiscal responsibility, but so far it is acting like a teenager with a new credit card.â€
Anyone beyond me see the irony in this statement. I guess Bush’s trillion dollar credit card debt to China doesn’t really exist.
All the Democrats are trying to do is to undo 6 years of gutting social and educational programs by the Lemming Republicans.
If the Republicans really care about being re-elected, they should be reconsidering their lemming tendencies and start standing up to Bully Boy Bush. This bill had a huge bipartisan support, so Bush’s veto is doing the Republicans a lot of damage. It also puts to a lie Bush’s whine about how the Democrats are not willing to work in a bipartisan manner. They to work in a bipartisan manner and then Bush vetoes what they did. So why bother?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pmAgain, educate yourself. Willful ignorance is not nearly as endearing as you would seem to believe.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 13, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
He wants you to tell him in your OWN WORDS, so he can find out how smart you are. :-D
Too funny…
November 13th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIt wouldn’t do any good to try and educate the latest troll. If you want to refute my comment go to the library and read or check on google what happened with all the Bills Bush promoted from Aids to Education….Big talk and cut the funding.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:40 pmI would have vetoed it to. It spent way more of my money then the president asked for. They need to redo this bill with a reduced amount of spending.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:42 pm“finallyinsf ’s link leads to annie culter’s web site in all her dark roots glory.
Comment by maryâ€
And your problem is?
Comment by finallyinsf — November 13, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
The problem is that she is a racist, fundamentalist lunatic. Besides that, I guess not a problem??
November 13th, 2007 at 12:42 pm“still wonder if we can’t find another Monica Lewinski to hurry it along.
Comment by texasladyâ€
At this point I don’t think even a Monica would affect this administration. They have a permanent coat of teflon that we somehow gave them. As long as impeachment is off the table they will continue to do whatever they damn well please.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:42 pmwhat kind of creature wants only war and death?
what kind of creature wants to kill the young of it’s own kind?
what kind would take money from us all to kill people for profit?
what kind of creatures would publicly condemn someone who spoke the truth about this?
not the kind I want anything to do with
November 13th, 2007 at 12:44 pmAt this point I don’t think even a Monica would affect this administration. They have a permanent coat of teflon that we somehow gave them. As long as impeachment is off the table they will continue to do whatever they damn well please.
Comment by bilbobaggins — November 13, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
#
As I’ve said before, Bush could fu(k a poodle on live tv, and a percentage of the population, including TP trolls, would still support him.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:45 pmI would have vetoed it to. It spent way more of my money then the president asked for. They need to redo this bill with a reduced amount of spending.
Comment by Roger_Roger
So roger2, you are ok with Bush spending billions of “your” money on occupying Iraq, killing and/or displacing millions of human beings, but you are against spending a few million for health care and education. Typical neoCON thinking. Is there a Republican out there who has a conscience? I don’t think there is.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:45 pmBush said: “Their majority was elected on a pledge of fiscal responsibility, but so far it is acting like a teenager with a new credit card.â€
Anyone beyond me see the irony in this statement. I guess Bush’s trillion dollar credit card debt to China doesn’t really exist.
Comment by bilbobaggins — November 13, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Before even getting that far, bilbo, I see this statement of Bush’s as another instance of him imagining a world that suits him, and then pretending it was real.
The Democrats didn’t campaign on fiscal responsibility any more than Bush himself did in ‘00. (He really couldn’t, in ‘04). Every party campaigns on “fiscal responsibility”, but that issue wasn’t even close to the most prominent for Democrats in ‘06. It was Republican corruption, and then the war in Iraq, and then the economy that lined up to propel the Democrats into control of Congress, not the phantom value of “fiscal responsibility”. Bush tries again to make political hay out of a putting green and winds up with another strawman that’s losing its stuffing.
Once we agree on that, THEN we can move on to the utter obliviousness and hypocrisy of the man who has put more charges on the national credit card than any president before him.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pmThere is evidence to suggest that Bush and Cheney lied to the American people to get us into a war in IraqComment by missmolly — November 13, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Below is an article from US News a month ago. I get a distinct feeling that if Waxman had found anything concrete on this subject impeachment would be on the table; that it isn’t speaks volumes.
What ever did happen to Kucinich’s Impeachment resolution? It is in Judiciary committee, yes? Any news on that?
Waxman Hunting for Bush Lies
November 13th, 2007 at 12:49 pmOctober 12, 2007 11:39 PM ET | Bedard, Paul | Permanent Link
Rep. Henry Waxman, considered the meanest dog in town by the GOP, is still sniffing around the White House for proof the president lied when making the case for going to war in Iraq. We hear that he’s been quietly summoning former Bush aides, especially speechwriters, to testify behind closed doors about what they knew and how they phrased his words on the issue. Whispers hears that one called in was John Gibson, a former National Security Council speechwriter. He wouldn’t spill to us. The committee had no comment either, but an administration official says, “It is yet another item on the ever growing fishing expedition list from Representative Waxman.”
#47. missmolly–I use the term “leadership” loosely, too. Pelosi, who only represents a portion of the people in California–thinks she was elected by entire population. She didn’t have the right to take “impeachment off the table” (Lord, how I hate that phrase). Add moneygrabbing Hoyer and throw in the opportunist Rahm Emmanuel, and we have the most conniving group of Democrats ever. I used to be a diehard Democrat, but I’ve changed to unaffiliated after these calculating Democrats took over. And don’t even get me started on the “leadership” in the Senate. Sorry about the rant, but their silly rhetoric is getting harder and harder to swallow. They think their followers are stupid.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:52 pmChoice 1: Spend money on our children’s and grandchildren’s education so they can better themselves financially and politically.
Choice 2: Spend our children’s and grandchildren’s money on the no-exit-strategy occupation of another country, sending those same children to fight and die for the lost cause.
Bush’s criterion: Which will benefit him more?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:59 pm#68 There are many reasons for impeachment and proveable. However, the time and money it would take is a consideration at this point. So many other issues are crucial right now and is there an assurance the impeachment would stand with the DOJ layered as it is.
Bush and Cheney are already impeached in the public’s eyes, they will go down in history as the most disgraceful, dispicable administration ever. And maybe Americans will learn and never let it happen again.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:01 pmComment by Keltoi — November 13, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
The fact that Waxman’s investigation hasn’t come forth with any concrete charges may be comforting to you, Keltoi, but it is hardly proof, or even strong evidence, that the administration did not in effect lie us into war.
Proving a lie, especially of this kind, requires an extremely high burden of proof. One must demonstrate intent, foreknowledge and understanding, all of which are difficult, perhaps impossible to establish after the fact. The wiggle room of “what I knew at the time” and “best intelligence available” is massive, and then there’s always the old fallback, “I believed it was true at the time”.
BushCo, indeed ALL politicians know how difficult it is to establish someone as lying, and they all know how effective counter-PR campaigns can be, so they lie to us with virtual impunity. Nixon only got caught because his paranoia led him to tape everything. Bush and Cheney aren’t that foolish; they even illegally got rid of their emails.
The best we can hope for is for the American people to put two-and-two together and read between the lines of “the British government says that Saddam tried to buy yellowcake” and “we know where the weapons are” to decide if we’ve been lied to.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:02 pm“What the Democrats CAN do is begin impeachment.
Comment by missmollyâ€
On what charges?
Comment by finallyinsf — November 13, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I am starting to get a little irritated by trolls who respond to posts without reading them first.
1) The phrase, “What the Democrats CAN do is begin impeachment.” didn’t come from me — it came from “lefttown”, whose post I was quoting.
2) My list of “charges” was in the same post where the above phrase was clipped. And that was only a partial list. However, THIS is a start: http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int2.pdf
Note to trolls (and everybody else): I welcome intelligent rebuttals to my posts. But is it asking too much that you read them first?
November 13th, 2007 at 1:05 pmEvery time Bush does “his thing” he shoots more votes to the Dems. It’s almost like he wants to deliberately ruin the Republican party. He’s doing a “heckofajob.” Congrats to him!
November 13th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI do not disagree with anything you say, Ralph. Indeed, the ease with which politicians of all stripes lie is one of the biggest reasons people tune out – why listen when it is highly likely you are being fed BS?
That said, there were all kinds of people from both parties and multiple foreign countries’ intelligence services who were on the record that Saddam had WMD. I have no interest in reopening that can of worms here, but I mention it only because of the impeachment discussion. People say Bush lied us into the war as though concrete evidence of this HAD in fact been produced when it has not. If it had, Impeachment would be an option politically, which the Dems clearly believe it is not.
Again, anyone know the fate of HR 333? It has disappeared from the news, is Judiciary just going to bury it? Is Waxman Judiciary Chair?
November 13th, 2007 at 1:09 pmThey need to redo this bill with a reduced amount of spending.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Education is the key to our survival as a species here on planet earth. The number of imminent problems facing us (climate change, population growth, water shortages, diminished crop yields, etc) is growing day by day. Everyday we ignore these issues, the earth will need more assistance to rebound – if it can rebound. The sad irony would be for bush to finally win the war on terror, but then we are left with a dead or dying planet to live on. What kind of victory would that be?
November 13th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHuh. Trolls not only suck. They swallow.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:10 pmRoger. funny the contents weren’t critized just shot down. This is just a ploy to make it look like the Dems are doing anything. Bush is stalling everything, oh wait, except his fat war budget.
So instead of working for the good of the American people he is selling out education which affects all of us.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:17 pm“I would have vetoed it to.”
Another Bush conservative who never mastered his native language. No wonder these morons hate education. Spending $1.5 TT to get oil to $100.00/bbl? Good! Investing in our kids health and education to compete in this world? Bad!
Who says Al Qaeda don’t have sympathizers in the US? Radical Islamicists couldn’t do a better job destroying this country than continuing their support of the Republican Party. I suspect that are big contibutors….just like Kingdom Holdings is a big stockholder in NewsCorp and CNN. The uneducated buffoons who still support Smirky and Darth are watching those propaganda channels not realizing that the House of Saud is shaping their opinions.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:20 pmI suspect that are big contibutors….just like Kingdom Holdings is a big stockholder in NewsCorp and CNN.
s/b I suspect that theyare big contibutors….just like Kingdom Holdings is a big stockholder in NewsCorp and CNN.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:27 pmNumero Uno would agree with a bill designed to bulldoze his home.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:27 pmYes, the president who could not find a bill worth vetoing when Republicans controlled the congress now flourishes the pen with abandon and glee. But where is the DEMOCRAT party exploiting this? The Democrats have an excellent opportunity to drive the public debate and expose the true hyper partisanship of Bush and the Republican party. However, the Democrats never have been able to develop the party or message discipline to carry it off. Instead, they will sit their believing that the majority of people will look through the legislative history and figure it out for themselves. Meanwhile, the Republicans have probably already made the ads accusing the Democrats of being spendthrifts that had to be reigned in by Bush and the Republicans in Congress. We do hear the Republicans doing this already on the talk shows without real response or rebuttal from the Democrats.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:30 pmNewsflash: Bush bulldozes basement boys lair with a recently signed bill with 200 billion in Pork that would build a sanitary sewage treatment plant in its place, what do you say basement boy?
Basement boy: Call he Hits, please, I agree with anything King George wants, this is fiscal prioritizing and I’m proud that my basement will be filled with sewage for an uneeded sewage treatment plant, and in the actual context, sh!t makes me happy.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:32 pmwar criminal addict GW Bush prefers to spend huge sums of money to fuel his criminal agenda. The hell with health care and education. Like a junkie who would much rather skip breakfast and lunch to buy dope, Bush skips Middle Class America and the future of american children and uses the funds for his criminal never ending war and to fuel even more corruption. GW Bush is America’s curse. Ever since this freak crept up to power (illegitimate ruler) what has he done right? Nothing! Looking back through his career you’ll find that this freak has never done anything right!! Failure after failure. Arbusto (failure) Iraq (colossal failure) the state of the economy (total failure) You could be the greatest loser on earth but if you worship Satan in the 21st century …you’ll go far!
November 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pmAlright, Keltoi, I see what you’re saying. No conclusive evidence has been produced that shows Bush and Co lied us into war. I agree that this is not a very likely avenue of impeachment.
I think a much more promising route is the warrantless wiretapping. That’s a pretty clear case of circumventing the law and lying to the American people about it. Sadly, most of Congress doesn’t see it that clearly.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:42 pmSo instead of working for the good of the American people he is selling out education which affects all of us.
Comment by texaslady — November 13, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
It’s all part of the institutionalized ignorance on which the neocons depend. Plus, what else would we expect from a Prez who has been quoted as saying,”knowledge is dangerous”?
So long as the neocons (and their pet radical evangelicals) have a voice expect the hostility, towards education, to continue.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:55 pmSo Congress: Cut out the pork and get it back on the President’s desk as a true “education and health measure†and he will sign it. Get it?
Actually, he won’t. he hates Americans, especially children. Get it?
November 13th, 2007 at 1:56 pmRalph, there’s plenty of evidence. The Democrats just have other priorities.
http://www.senate.gov/ ~levin/ newsroom/ release.cfm?id=271875
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 13, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Sure, there’s plenty of evidence that would convince you and me. But what is needed in this case is evidence that would convince those whose paycheck depends on them not being convinced, to paraphrase Upton Sinclair. In other words, evidence that cannot be spun, denied or ignored.
Although one would have thought that there was such evidence of Valerie Plame’s covert status when she was outed by Novakula, and most right-wingers still insist she wasn’t covert…
November 13th, 2007 at 2:03 pmOf COURSE theres CONCLUSIVE evidence that has been produced
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 13, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
One must remember that the TC troll supports a party which bases policy on an old book which they claim “proves” they have the right to dominate the world. They wouldn’t know “evidence” if it nested in their navels.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThat said, there were all kinds of people from both parties and multiple foreign countries’ intelligence services who were on the record that Saddam had WMD. Keltoi
You are correct, there were. But their opinions were based on the proof they were given by the Bush Crime Family and by Blair and his gang of thieves. Anyone who pointed out that there was no proof was quickly dispatched to the sidelines.
The fact of the matter is that Bush and Chaney lied and people died. If you choose to defend that, I feel sorry for you.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:19 pmBartlebee, see my response at #94.
You and I and RHF have a different threshold for “conclusive” than most of Congress, apparently. And a MUCH different threshold than the wingnutosphere. You have to take that into account if you really want to make something happen.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBartlebee – SHHH – thats the dirty little secret of the whole “everyone knew he had WMDs” argument.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWell I have a feeling Pete that once they’re out of power, and we have a REAL Attorney General again, he’ll explain to them what “conclusive evidence†is.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 13, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
That is my hope. But, we need to keep putting pressure on them while they are in office and in “plain sight”. Otherwise there is a danger of adopting the attitude that, “they are gone so it’s no big deal”. I sincerely hope these evil criminal scum are hounded to the grave.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmBut where is the DEMOCRAT party exploiting this? The Democrats have an excellent opportunity to drive the public debate and expose the true hyper partisanship of Bush and the Republican party. JMOHR
Damn it, it is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY! Stop playing into the Republicans hands by misusing the word. They do it to diminish the DEMOCRATIC party, please don’t do it too. Unless you are a troll, which I am not sure of.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:35 pmThe fact is EVERYONE was going on what the US Govt told them and thats all there is to it.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 13, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
Including the French, who were implicated in Oil for Food scandal? The Russians, who were selling Saddam weapons in violation of UN sanctions?
No……..no. I am not getting sucked into this dead horse of an argument. The Dems now have both houses of Congress and won’t impeach. That means the proof of a deliberate lie will not stand up to due process OR the Dems are part of the lie.
There will be no impeachment.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:55 pmTHERE IS NO NEED FOR AN ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TO ATTACK THE US. YOU HAVE BUSH AND CHENNEY DOING IT FOR THEM! GOD HELP YOU!
November 13th, 2007 at 3:12 pmBUT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB ANYWAY…
November 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment 104, bilbobaggins – No, I am not a troll. However, I do use the term with derision. This is exactly what the current party leadership has earned. Do not accuse me of playing into the Republicans’ hands. Blame the Democrats who have laid down and played dead on every single issue. These are the people who invite derision. These are the people who play into the Republican stereotype of Democrats as the weak. I think we all need to raise our voices in protest to what these girlie men are doing to our party. If the party fails to show guts, then it deserves to be portrayed as the joke that it seems intent to become.
November 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmHouse Appropriations Committee David Obey (D-WI) said in response. “There has been virtually no criticism of its contents…”
No criticism because both Dems and Repubs have too much pork at stake to complain about anyone else:
“That $1,500,000 shall be for a non-competitive grant to the AFL-CIO Working for American Institute, which shall be awarded not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this act: provided further, that $2,200,000 shall be for a non-competitive grant to the AFL-CIO Appalachian Council, Inc, for Job Corps career transition services, which shall be awarded not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this act.†There is no member identified with this earmark.
$1,000,000 for Bismarck State College for an instrumentation and control training program for the energy industry, inserted by Sens. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) and Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), and Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-N.D.).
$882,025 for 25 projects to organizations in Pennsylvania for “abstinence education and related services,†inserted by Senate Labor/HHS Subcommittee Ranking Member Arlen Specter (R-Pa.).
$500,000 for the Charter School Development Foundation in Las Vegas for the Andre Agassi College Preparatory Academy, inserted by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Rep. Shelley Berkeley (D-Nev.).
$400,000 for Jazz at Lincoln Center by Sens. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), and Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.). That amount more than doubled in the conference report from $150,000 in the House bill.
http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=11096
November 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmNobody else thinks that he’s offering up a string of vetoes to allow the republicans to separate themselves from him come re-election? “I’m not like Bush. I voted against him on saving the wetlands, on SCHIP, and on the health and education bill. I’m for VALUES!”
No one?
November 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWorst. President. Ever.
November 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pmNobody else thinks that he’s offering up a string of vetoes to allow the republicans to separate themselves from him come re-election?
Comment by thilibluu — November 13, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
Bush self-sacrifice for the greater rebublican good? Are you kidding? Put the collective ahead of his own interests? No way, he’s far too arrogant for that, even if it undermines his own party.
November 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by republicans hate facts — November 13, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Hates facts, you are excellent at dodging ‘em as well, bud. Nice job! ;)
November 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmBlue Stater: “I keep telling myself 14 more months, but it really (sadly) doesn’t help.”
What the hell is that supposed to mean? There is not one Democrat running for President who would veto this bill.
November 13th, 2007 at 6:57 pmupright left, you conservatives all stared off into space when $9 just went missing in Iraq. You chided Kerry and Edwards for arguing that the Iraq war would cost over $300 billion. You have no problem with tax policy which transfers hundreds of billions of working class social security money to the nation’s most wealthy citizens. And so when I hear your kind complaining about penty-anti little pork-barrel projects being added to an education bill, I just want to say STFU!
November 13th, 2007 at 7:02 pmI meant to write $9 BILLION going missing in Iraq.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:02 pmupright left, you conservatives all stared off into space when $9 just went missing in Iraq. You chided Kerry and Edwards for arguing that the Iraq war would cost over $300 billion. You have no problem with tax policy which transfers hundreds of billions of working class social security money to the nation’s most wealthy citizens. And so when I hear your kind complaining about penty-anti little pork-barrel projects being added to an education bill, I just want to say STFU!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 13, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Since I have never supported the war or “tax policy which transfers hundreds of billions of working class social security money to the nation’s most wealthy citizens,” your STFU is misplaced, bud. Even if I had supported those things, it still wouldn’t make the pork in this bill right. That’s the thinking that allows it to continue. Everyone else is doing it, so it must be ok. ;)
November 14th, 2007 at 7:52 amfinallyinKKK is a known fascist. Ignore her.
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