POLL: Liberals More Open To Opinions That ‘Reflect Values Other Than Their Own’
POLL: Liberals More Open To Opinions That ‘Reflect Values Other Than Their Own’
A new poll by the Norman Lear Center and Zogby International finds that liberals are more open to opposing viewpoints than conservatives, who tend to rely on Fox and Fox News for their entertainment and news. Some highlights from their findings:
– Conservatives were the most “likely to watch only two channels out of the 24 highest-rated networks: Fox and Fox News.”
– “Fox News wins the prize for the most politically divisive TV channel (70% of conservatives watch it daily and only 3% of liberals).”
– “While 22% of conservatives said they “never” enjoy entertainment that reflects values other than their own, just 7% of liberals felt the same way. … In other words, Limbaugh’s potential audience is larger than that of liberal competitors because more liberals say they will listen to conservatives than vice versa.”
– Conservatives think “fictional TV shows and movies are politically biased” and “overwhelmingly (76%) believe that TV shows and movies ‘very often’ contain political messages, but they are the least likely to learn anything about political issues from them. Just 4% say they learn lessons from movies.”
Watching too much Fox News may be bad news for conservatives. An April Pew Research Study survey found that viewers of the conservative Fox News channel had the lowest knowledge of national and international affairs.
A recent AP-Ipsos poll also found that liberals read more books than conservatives do. In the past year, 34 percent of conservatives have not read a book within the past year, compared with just 22 percent of liberals and moderates.
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Liberals are in general more open to opinions other than their own. That's an accurate statement. This is a very nice trait to posses, as long as it is combined with the steely will to act based on one's own convictions. It is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:47 amIt is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive.
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 10:47 am
false dichotomy. You are very stupid, thanks for proving that constantly; it marks you as one of the FOX-watching fools that refuse to defend the USA.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:49 am...and if conservatives watch something other than Faux, they might actually learn something real and accurate. Perish the thought...
November 13th, 2007 at 10:49 amBut, 100% of Conservatives said they secretly enjoy drugs, booze, strippers, hookers and young boys in varying combinations.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:49 amLiberals are in general more open to opinions other than their own.
The very essence of being a liberal. Liberals do not live in fear.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:51 amI proudly call myself a liberal and a feminist.
Lefty Patriot,
Not false dichotomy, but consistent and proven triangulation optimized towards self sustenance
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 10:51 amHits, how is it like going through life being completely paranoid and utterly selfish only caring about yourself and your own well-being and not giving 2 craps about anyone else? I live in NYC, work in the financial district (few blocks from the WTC site), I am actually the terrorists' target, I doubt they could even find the red state in which you live on a map. Get a grip. Go out and volunteer and help your fellow Americans, and stop worrying about the evil terrorists. They don't actually care about you.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:51 amIs this going to be another thread owned by Jake?
November 13th, 2007 at 10:55 amBlue Stater,
Your characterization, while understandable, is somewhat off. My caring about my well being is not inconsistent with caring for others. When they come into conflict, I merely profess to choose my own self. Further, I personally do not worry much about the terrorists - I merely help support an infrastructure that does the worrying for me.
Thanks
November 13th, 2007 at 10:56 amHits
It has been said that the most valuable thing you can teach a child is to teach him to think for himself. People who can't think for themselves tend to seek out information sources that will tell them exactly what to think. This is how they get locked into Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
It's also why it's so hard to debate a dittohead.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:57 amThe income gap has grown because it is tied to the intelligence gap and the gap that defines the desire to be successful. Why do we act surprised when we see Black crime rates soar through the roof, or when we see dilapidated Black communities. In many ways, it’s a grand proof of Darwinian realities
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 9:22 am
.................................................................................................................
Please ignore this racist.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:57 amZooey,
The thread will always be bigger than individuals and individual opinions.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 10:58 amtroll buster,
Quite irrelevant in the current context. Maybe you have something substantial to offer to this thread, other than being influenced by my opinions elsewhere?
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 10:59 amFalse dichotomy, hits. nobody is defending you. your government is raping you, and you happily bend over and ask for more. you have lazily placed your faith in America's sworn enemies, the neocon GOP. You're just a craven coward.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:59 amI merely help support an infrastructure that does the worrying for me.
Hits
So other can fight your wars of choice that do nothing to protect us and make sacrifices? OK, got it.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:00 amThe comment about books doesn't surprise me at all. I know very few liberals who don't read extensively. Conversely, the conservatives I've known have rarely been "readers". Maybe that's why so few understand the Constitution?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:00 amDid anyone read the thread over at RawStory yesterday where the Fox channel was down and everyone was suggesting that Pelosi was responsible for it? I tried to find it again but couldn't. It was a hoot. Seems the little cons were jonesin' for some Faux News.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:01 amPlease ignore this racist.
Comment by troll buster — November 13, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Yes. Please.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:01 amMaybe that’s why so few understand the Constitution?
Comment by Lisa FTW — November 13, 2007 @ 11:00 am
actually, they don't want to understand the Constitution. They are born lawbreakers, with no respect for America or its values. Conservatives will do all they can to shift responsibility to someone, anyone, if they don't need to assume it themselves. our resident coward hits is a prime example of this.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:02 am#1 - "It is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive." Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Why do you seem to think the two are mutually exclusive?
If one acts, but does so on bad information, and learns nothing at all from the actions, how does that equate to survival?
I think it's much better to learn and be prepared for survival action than to simply act with no knowledge at all whatsoever.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:02 am– Conservatives were the most “likely to watch only two channels out of the 24 highest-rated networks: Fox and Fox News.â€
Actually, that's 1 1/2, because they share some programming.
I think it's fair to say that between Druggie Limpballs & Rupert Murdoch, the division of America is nearly complete. Bipartisanship has quickly receded into the mist of memories. 'I'm the Divider, not the Decider' should be Bush's mantra.
The only thing I've ever learned from watching Fox is that stupid loud mouthed people should never report subjective news.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:03 amPlease ignore this racist.
Comment by troll buster — November 13, 2007 @ 10:57 am
I'm trying, but it's so much fun to continually smack him down with some wicked internettery and imagine him sobbing into his white hood.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:04 amLefty Patriot,
You do display a tendency to extrapolate at will in the midst of an argument - making those quite ineffective.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:05 amBlue Stater,
You do catch the drift, although your reasoning is a bit flawed.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:05 amLet's just extrapolate 'it' from the conversations...
November 13th, 2007 at 11:06 amDemocrat Soldier,
They are not mutually exclusive. One just happens to be more important, in my opinion, that the other.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:07 amHits:
The drift that you are beyond selfish? That I get very clearly.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:08 amHistory is filled with those who acted on their own instinct which has been proven to be wrong and devastating. We live in a democracy which is driven by opposing views. These views are discussed openly until a consensus is obtained.
Allowing knee jerk uninformed opinions to be the driving force (invasion of Iraq comes to mind) without understanding the consequences is not in our countries best interest.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:11 amNot false dichotomy, but consistent and proven triangulation optimized towards self sustenance
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 10:51 am
this sentence needs a period.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:12 amHits not only emits flatulence of Jake but I also detect the stench of the ancient Mighty Aphrodite.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:12 amBlue Stater,
We have a slight calibration issue. What you call selfish, I call intelligent. Other than that, I think you do catch my drift.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:13 amThis tiny little black hearted troll being intertained is the reason I rarely post or check out TP any more....I refuse helping jake perform mind masterbation and excessive band width space...Wast of time and space...
November 13th, 2007 at 11:14 amNot false dichotomy, but consistent and proven triangulation optimized towards self sustenance - hits
Actually hits, your first comment is a classic example of a false dichotomy since learning and survival are not mutually exclusive terms and your phrasing places them in an "either/or" context that is simply untrue. Your classic triangulation garbage is also nonsensical, but given your seeming love of bloviation that comes as no surprise.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:14 am#16 A common thread I have noticed about conservatives is fear of having their concept of safety, whether it is financial or self is so over whelming they believe the strongest voice. Instead of reading and coming to their own conclusion conservatives, aka Bush lovers will give their minds over to the "daddy" figure.
Progressives on the other hand will take chances, study and evaluate a situation usually are strong minded enough to rely on themselves to make a decision.
Conservatives (fearful personalities) cover all income, social and educational ranges.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:16 amIf you guys really dislike $hits and li'l donnie so much, FLAG THEM.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:16 amTweedster,
You are correct. I agree with you - they are not mutually exclusive concepts (In fact, most things aren't). Refer my previous post on this point.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:17 amTroll Buster you are correct re: Hits but it is comical that Hits latest word is triangulation, must be his new word for the week.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:17 amIn conclusion FoxNews is dumbing down their already mentally deficient audience.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:18 amIs it any shock that FOX NEWS viewers poll poorly on issues of international politics with guys like THIS on the TV all the time? I mean, come on people... its not rocket surgery.
EXHIBIT A:
Video
November 13th, 2007 at 11:18 amhttp://test.redlasso.com/service/svc/clip/playClip?fid=51dcd899-2b75-4280-a9d3-0a9cf4a0c80c
The Republic of Stupidity,
Incredibly ironical on a thread that exalts the openness to new opinions. Quite interesting, but understandable.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:19 am"Liberal" literally means that you open to new ideas while "Conservative" means that you hold to tradition and are scared of change or innovation. Of course, the way the terms are used in politics today are far from their literal meaning since they are rolled up with the ideologies of the various political parties.
So often the "conservative" viewpoint in this country seems driven not by tradition, but by bigotry and hatred. This is what you get when you allow your political leaders to subsume all of the ideals into divisive base-driven politics of fear.
And then in economics the Democrats are the party of fiscal conservatism while the Republicans are the party of liberal ideas. The Democrats adhere to old concepts of pay-as-you-go, Social Security lock boxes, corporate accountability, while the Republicans advocate radical laissez-faire experiments.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:19 amYour characterization, while understandable, is somewhat off. My caring about my well being is not inconsistent with caring for others. When they come into conflict, I merely profess to choose my own self. Further, I personally do not worry much about the terrorists - I merely help support an infrastructure that does the worrying for me.
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 10:56 am
perhaps. but one can't help but notice that while a good, sound infrastructure may protect you the one that you allude to here in the real world cannot. one might argue otherwise but, sadly, they would wrong. the current infrastructure (and it's attending paradigm) is rendered useless by a "corrosive conservatism". one need look no further than the urine stained "neo-con" leadership (moral, political and geo-political) to see the obvious reasons why.
eh?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:21 amby definition, liberals are more open... that's practically what the word means... consternatives are closed to new things... again, it goes back to the meaning of the word...
November 13th, 2007 at 11:22 am#17 RE: Fox channel was down and everyone was suggesting that Pelosi was responsible for it?
Comment by IgnoranceIsNotBliss — November 13, 2007 @ 11:01 am
here ya go --
GOP staffers sensed Pelosi plot in temporary Fox News blackout
November 13th, 2007 at 11:22 amIt is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive. - hits
OK hits, so we agree that learning is not mutually exclusive to survival. My further question is: what does acting and surviving have to do with this thread specifically? By introducing those concepts in a comparison with the main theme of the thread (pursuing knowledge that may not immediately agree with one's political/religious/social philosophies) you simply muddy the waters when it comes to actually discussing the findings of the poll TP has cited here.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:22 amjoe cantwell,
The one that I allude to is not perfect, but is better that what existed before. It is quite influenced by conservative principles, but is not subsumed wthin it. Your characterization of the leadership is not germane in this context.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:24 am“Fox News wins the prize for the most politically divisive TV channel (70% of conservatives watch it daily and only 3% of liberals).â€
Yet it is quoted more than any other source on this website.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:24 amIf you don't want $hits clogging up thread after thread w/ his gibberish, whichis all it is - gibberish, FLAG HIM. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
You guys complain and complain about $hits, then either start trading insults w/ this cretin, or DO NOTHING. SHEEZ... talk about self-defeating.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:24 amI actually listened to the Young Turks on Air America this morning just to remind myself how much they suck.
Comment by TCDon — November 13, 2007 @ 11:14 am
tcdon, welcome back!
dude, i think your colostomy bag is overflowing. again.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:26 am"Here are examples of entertainment with broad appeal across ideological categories:
Football: in almost every demographic category, and across the ideological spectrum, football is the most popular sport. Sunday Night Football has a stronger conservative following, but it is very popular among moderates and liberals, as well."
Perhaps there is hope for America after all....
November 13th, 2007 at 11:26 amThe Republic of Stupidity,
Most of your fellow posters happen to hold dear the principles of liberalism. They have the opportunity to engage in a debate, and not be influenced by it. You misinterpret their arguments for complaints. You seem to have a distinct conservative bent.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:26 amProgressives post for quality
November 13th, 2007 at 11:27 amWith facts behind their wit
The neocons post for quantity
And boost the hits with sh**
Comment by sc mom — November 13, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Crossed my mind as well. I just hope KO would put this connection on Countdown.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:28 am"The very essence of being a liberal. Liberals do not live in fear.
I proudly call myself a liberal and a feminist."
Same, Zoo. I'm a rural, chaw-cheeked, football-loving, clean-bowling-shirt-on-Sunday hick, and liberalism and feminism aren't issues of politics, they're issues of respect.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:28 amThe income gap has grown because it is tied to the intelligence gap and the gap that defines the desire to be successful. Why do we act surprised when we see Black crime rates soar through the roof, or when we see dilapidated Black communities. In many ways, it’s a grand proof of Darwinian realities
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 9:22 am
November 13th, 2007 at 11:28 am…………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Why are you such a racist?
PatrioticLiberalChristian,
Quite a lovely rhyme you've got there.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:29 amIt is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive. - hits
OK hits, so we agree that learning is not mutually exclusive to survival. My further question is: what does acting and surviving have to do with this thread specifically? By introducing those concepts in a comparison with the main theme of the thread (pursuing knowledge that may not immediately agree with one’s political/religious/social philosophies) you simply muddy the waters when it comes to actually discussing the findings of the poll TP has cited here.
Comment by Tweedster — November 13, 2007 @ 11:
November 13th, 2007 at 11:30 am#45 I read that staffers were just distraught because Faux was off their channels for awhile. Reminds me in Bugs Life movie how a leaf covered the ants path and they panicked. The Line the Line is gone !!
Where I bank use to have Faux on all the time, but lately noticed no more. Wow guess enough people wanted real news.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:30 amtroll buster,
I will defer answering your question to a more relevant thread. You should really not attempt to deviate from the discussion at hand - although you are welcome to try.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:30 amSame, Zoo. I’m a rural, chaw-cheeked, football-loving, clean-bowling-shirt-on-Sunday hick, and liberalism and feminism aren’t issues of politics, they’re issues of respect.
Comment by Bush is a four letter word — November 13, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Cool. I like that. Wanna
get marriedlive in sin? ;)Gotta stay true to The Liberal Agenda (tm).
November 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amThe one that I allude to is not perfect, but is better that what existed before. It is quite influenced by conservative principles, but is not subsumed wthin it. Your characterization of the leadership is not germane in this context.
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 11:24 am
"perfection" is merely an allusion of conservative concepts high the oxycottin of imperfect thought patterns and hubris. you would know this if you had studied kant. i suggest you take a moment to ponder the cross pollination of spinoza's theories of "this" and "that" before you comment further on this subject. you'll save yourself quite a bit of embarrassment if you do!
November 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amTweedster,
A very incisive question. My attempt in drawing the comparison was to illuminate the core of what characterizes a liberal, and so, enriching the overall discussion on the parameters of the poll.
Thank you
November 13th, 2007 at 11:32 amHits
Sorry to threadjack, but ABC news has just reported that Turkish gunships have fired upon a Kurdish village in Iraq.
Time to don the rosy goggles, conservatives. How are you going to spin this into a positive?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:33 amI will defer answering your question to a more relevant thread. You should really not attempt to deviate from the discussion at hand - although you are welcome to try.
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 11:30 am
try...?
finish your thought please.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:34 amWhy are you such a racist?
Comment by troll buster — November 13, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Provocation. That's the reason he's here. Flag him.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:34 amjoe cantwell,
Perfection is not necessarily an allusion to conservative concepts. I have read Kant, and I find his theories illuminating, but woefully inadequate. Your conclusion is quite irrelevant.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:34 amTroll Buster - Since less blacks are signing up to become cannon fodder I think hits veiled racist comment doesn't hold water. Seems to me blacks caught on to Bush's scheme faster than our other people.
Of course we have the Young Republicans who have "other priorities". Like helping dad in his campaign from an air conditioned bus in Iowa. They didn't even join after 9/11 to protect their country.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:35 amHits I believe Rove would make a wonderful mentor for you...all for me and all for me any dirty way I can get it.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:36 amhits is channeling Mighty Aphrodite.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:37 amI watch Fox and Friends many mornings with my breakfast.
It's nice to start your day with the recommended daily allowance of crazy.
This confirms a longheld belief of mine that a good chunk of the fox viewership is watching ironically.
Cable News is generally a joke (except for Olbermann), if Im going to watch lazy journalism and analysis, I might as well tune in to outright lies and fabrication.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:37 amHits,
Where did this "illumination" take place within your statement? If you believe that by pointing out that learning and being informed are at the core of you liberalism and then go on to say "but more important [is] to act and survive" you are implying that action and survival are not liberal traits. In short, I'm still not convinced that your comparison is valid.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:37 amtexaslady,
Your comment does derail the thread somewhat. Have you no regard for mantaining the guardrails of discussion?
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:38 amLiberals more open to differing opinions. Liberals read more books.
Well, DUH !
May I also add, that Fox News fans seem more likely to make it their mission to push themselves by changing TVs in waiting rooms to Fox News and setting public Internet terminals to fox news.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:40 ammantaining the guardrails of discussion?
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 11:38 am
This made me laugh. I think hits is an anagram.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:40 amhits is channeling Mighty Aphrodite.
Comment by hellinabucket — November 13, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Now that's just mean. I know it wasn't Woody Allen's best work, but it wasn't THAT bad.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:40 amTweedster,
You are making a cause vs. effect assumption that I did not articulate. I have not claimed that survival is inconsistent with liberalism. You, however, have assumed that in my statement.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:40 amHello? Is this thing on?
Is conversing with a troll more relevant than Turkey firing upon a Kurdish village in Iraq?
Where are your heads at?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:43 amYou are making a cause vs. effect assumption that I did not articulate. I have not claimed that survival is inconsistent with liberalism. You, however, have assumed that in my statement.
Hits
Exactly why I asked for clarification that you have failed to provide. What illumination of the core of liberalism is gained by the statement: "It is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive."
If your illumination is not contained within that statement, that what is its relevance to the post?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:43 am#72 You need to read faster A) you said you believe in whomever protects you well that is what Rove is all about, just confirming your prior statement. B) the discussion is what is different between liberals and progressives, your comments validate my statement.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:44 amPerfection is not necessarily an allusion to conservative concepts. I have read Kant, and I find his theories illuminating, but woefully inadequate. Your conclusion is quite irrelevant.
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 11:34 am
poor, poor hits. sucking tcdon's pecker snot into your mouth, spitting it onto a canvas and wiping it around with a stick does not a conservative masterpiece make! you must state a bold argument, support it with at least three (or more) indisputable facts and sum it up it with an unequivocal and convincing conclusion. here, i'll get you started:
"I find Kant's theories illuminating, but woefully inadequate because...."
(take all the time you need. good luck!)
November 13th, 2007 at 11:45 amComment by barfly — November 13, 2007 @ 11:43 am
barfly, do you have a link?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:45 amJust read a bit on Turkey dropping some type of grenade on uninhabited areas in Northern Iraq. Turkey did fly into Iraq's airspace to do so but no official word on deaths or escalations.
Very tense situation.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:46 amBarfly,
What do you think the admin's response to the Turks will be?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:46 am77 - we are trying to stay on thread and unfortunately the latest border battle isn't what we are talking about, however serious.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:46 am#83 - Just gives Bush another reason to stay in Iraq. There goes the promise of bringing 20,000 troops home next year.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:49 am"viewers of the conservative Fox News channel had the LOWEST KNOWLEDGE of national and international affairs."
And this is supported by the posts of the Fascist Brownshirt Lockstep Trolls on this site, again and again.
Remember folks, please don't feed the Trolls...never, ever respond to (s)hits.
Buck Fush
November 13th, 2007 at 11:49 amBF - BINGO !
November 13th, 2007 at 11:51 amActually, texaslady is right.
I'm still trying to figure out how far hits will circle his logic in an attempt to deny his inference that learning is (at best) secondary to survival (my view being that learning is essential to survival) and at worst inferring that learning is unrelated to action and survival.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:51 amjoe cantwell,
Kant does not conclusively address or resolve existentialism in the context of intelligence and the unknown. His theories can be extrapolated into good definitions for each separately (with the aid of science), but they do not tie up multivariately. Doesn't make him wrong, only incomplete
Thank you
November 13th, 2007 at 11:53 amHits
Tweedster,
1) Learning is secondary to survival
2) Learning is essential to survival
Do you understand that concepts 1 and 2 are not inconsistent with each other? In fact, one informs the other.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:54 amHits is to this thread (and any other for that matter) as to Bush is to the Constitution.
Hits is an eloquent one, but doesn't defend any solid points. He shows no stand on facts. Instead he relies on his wit and his ramblings. If he would make a stand on issues and fiact instead of a classroom generalizations and theroetical lectures he may show some credence.
He fails in this regard. Entertaining as some of the Fox shows but also as much substance.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:55 amAh, come on people....I scroll thru any post by (s)hits and also anyone who responds to that sh!thead, and you know what, I got to the bottom here real fast.
Please do not respond to (s)hits, it is HIGHJACKING the tread, AGAIN.
STOP IT, JUST STOP IT...(s)hits is destroying this site.
Buck Fush
November 13th, 2007 at 11:55 amLearning can only be done by the survivor.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:55 amBut doesn't mean the survivor will learn. Only that he can if he chooses to do so.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:56 amOH Righty!!!
When will you EVER learn!!
November 13th, 2007 at 11:58 amhellinabucket,
You always have the option of not being influenced by my opinions.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 11:59 amSTUPID IS AS STUPID DOES
November 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pm92 - Reading hits comments is like reading the comics, a laugh at the ridiculous and forget it . I wonder if he/she goes out of their way to look stupid, like their idol Bush. Read latest crap Bush is pulling.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pm92 - as tired as the saying goes, "you can't fix stupid", it gets proven over and over by hits.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pmKant does not conclusively address or resolve existentialism in the context of intelligence and the unknown. His theories can be extrapolated into good definitions for each separately (with the aid of science), but they do not tie up multivariately. Doesn’t make him wrong, only incomplete
Thank you
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 11:53 am
you forgot to state your facts and include footnotes and citations. and i'm not seeing a strong and persuasive conclusion here, are you? this is just more of tcdon's pecker snot! (probably the stuff that got stuck on your tonsils.) try again and this time please make an effort. study, research, these are the tools we use to gain knowledge. don't just give them lip service. use them! ("cut" and "pasting" don't count btw.)
(don't forget to proof read your work please)
November 13th, 2007 at 12:03 pmA new poll by the Norman Lear Center and Zogby International finds that liberals are more open to opposing viewpoints than conservatives...
This is part of the reason why being a Democrat is so messy. The Democratic party is comprised of thinking adults who have a lot of different viewpoints and they act according to their viewpoints. They are not the lock-step lemmings like the Republican party is. Sometimes I wish they were more like the Republicans in that they could form a solid majority, but then when I think of all the harm the Republicans have done to this country, I guess I'm grateful that the Democrats are not like the Republicans.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pm1) Learning is secondary to survival
2) Learning is essential to survival
Do you understand that concepts 1 and 2 are not inconsistent with each other? In fact, one informs the other.
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 11:54 am
OK. I still fail to see the connection with the subject of this particular thread. Incorporating the ideas of action and survival in this case does not have any bearing on the reported fact that “Fox News wins the prize for the most politically divisive TV channel (70% of conservatives watch it daily and only 3% of liberals).â€
So I reiterate - what illumination did you provide to the core of liberalism by pointing out that learning is secondary to survival? And what does this have to do the subject of the poll?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pmeasy Buckie, it would be nice to try and have a Con defend this polls findings, but it seems like most TP is a mutual admiration society (the Progressives here...) which is peppered with moronic trolls like hits who twist and spin until their initial positions are forgotten.
I was just trying to get him to self-destruct as his (il)logic flies out of control.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmjoe cantwell,
Your spit flying post and its jumbled up logic is quite consistent with your inability to comprehend the concept I have laid out.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmTweedster,
This discussion we are having right now and the realization that concepts 1 and 2 are inter-related - in my opinion, that's an example of the noble pursuit of discussion in this context. Restricting the parameters of discussion (I'm not insinuating that you did that) doesn't help. Elements of this very discussion are quite relevant.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 12:13 pmHits sez:
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Save us from this ridiculous droning!!!
November 13th, 2007 at 12:14 pmHits,
So what do you conclude from the results of the poll?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe Kurds are refuting media reports of attacks.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:17 pmhttp://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1360030120071113
Tweedster,
The poll itself makes sense to me. I agree with the results.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 12:18 pmYour spit flying post and its jumbled up logic is quite consistent with your inability to comprehend the concept I have laid out.
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
hits, you should be ashamed. you know dick cheney once said:
"winners never quit and quitters never win."
if you give up you'll regret it. oh maybe not now but soon. and for the rest of your life. think about it, ok?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pmjoe cantwell,
Dick Cheney was generally accurate, although generalizations are rarely always true.
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pmIf you guys really dislike $hits and li’l donnie so much, FLAG THEM.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
And stop responding to them. That's all they are after, to ruffle our feathers and to be the center of attention. As long as we continue to give them the attention they crave, they will continue to come here and throw sh|t on the walls. I know it's fun to smack them down, but there comes a point where we need to stop giving them the attention they crave.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:23 pmDick Cheney was generally accurate, although generalizations are rarely always true.
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
your spit flying post and its jumbled up logic is quite consistent with your inability to comprehend the concept i have laid out.
joe
(see above)
November 13th, 2007 at 12:23 pm112. Comment by bilbobaggins — November 13, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
i'm sorry but it is fun... i mean you can almost see hits' bp going through the roof!
November 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThe income gap has grown because it is tied to the intelligence gap and the gap that defines the desire to be successful. Why do we act surprised when we see Black crime rates soar through the roof, or when we see dilapidated Black communities. In many ways, it’s a grand proof of Darwinian realities
Comment by hits
This is completely racist. It's not even subtle.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pmjoe cantwell,
It is indeed (and unfortunately for the thread) fun
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 12:28 pmOk, the score is now 71 out of 112 posts either by hits or responding to him. It's time to stop now. I can see responding to trolls if they say something that is worth responding to. But all (s)hits does is throw (s)hit on the wall and wait for us to respond. And you all have done a really good job of it. He's definitely the winner again.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:29 pmDick Cheney was generally accurate, although generalizations are rarely always true.
Hits
Comment by hits
If you mean 1994 Dick Cheney, then yes, he was right on the money! :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CkkdsWgq2cI
November 13th, 2007 at 12:30 pmbilbobaggins,
The thread is bigger than any one's opinion. You have the option of not being influenced by my opinions (which you are doing successfully, I think) but also not be influenced by joe cantwell's actions
Hits
November 13th, 2007 at 12:32 pmjoe cantwell,
It is indeed (and unfortunately for the thread) fun
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
so true, one can onlly hope you'll stick with four pack a day habit as you post (and waste) away!
(sorry bilbo, last one i swear)
November 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pmConservatives think “fictional TV shows and movies are politically biased†and “overwhelmingly (76%) believe that TV shows and movies ‘very often’ contain political messages, but they are the least likely to learn anything about political issues from them. Just 4% say they learn lessons from movies....â€
... unless they want to cite a novel or a Hollywood show is if it were fact as support for their position.
Cheers,
November 13th, 2007 at 12:37 pmI said:
… unless they want to cite a novel or a Hollywood show is if it were fact as support for their position.
... and then we have Libertarians citing "Atlas Shrugged" for theories of economics (albeit it's billed as fiction, unlike some more dubious works of supposedly scholarly research, such as "Das Kapital").
Disclaimer: While I'm sympathetic to socialist gummint, I think that the nonsense about the "interpenetration of opposites", "dialectics", and the inevitability of the march to the "worker's state" are more pipe-dream than established fact....
Cheers,
November 13th, 2007 at 12:42 pmHits hasn't shown any substanitive opinons yet. He's here to muddy the waters but can't man up to any real stance.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:43 pmhellinabucket sez:
He doesn't have a real stance. He's learned from bitter experience that any real position he takes is subject to real argument, and in that venue, he's doomed to lose. So now, he limits his "debate" to meta-issues and sophistry, guaranteeing that he can yammer on forever without having to concede a loss.
He's nothing but a waste of time...not even worth the effort of despising.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:48 pm#1 [anagrammed; ROR] hits:
Liberals are in general more open to opinions other than their own. That’s an accurate statement. This is a very nice trait to posses, as long as it is combined with the steely will to act based on one’s own convictions....
Typo there:
"This is a very nice trait to posses, as long as it is combined with the steely will to then ignore anything outside one's preconceived notions and what Hannity/Limbaugh/Freeperville tells you and forge on regardless (of the 3860 dead trops and) of common sense and reality itself. Witness Iraq."
Cheers,
November 13th, 2007 at 12:48 pmjoe cantwell,
Dick Cheney was generally accurate, although generalizations are rarely always true.
Hits
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
When? Because he has been almost 100% inaccurate in this administration! Maybe you're referring to when he sold Nuclear Facilities to the Iranians under Ford, or when he sold WMDs to Saddam under RayGun?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:49 pm#123 are you sure hits is male or even human ?
November 13th, 2007 at 12:50 pm#2 [anagrammed] hits:
It is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive.
Which is why this Cheetoh-eater "hits" is ensconced in his basement fighting with the Chairborne Division of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders rather than taking an IED in the 'nads for the nash'nul securitah' over in Iraq....
Cheers,
November 13th, 2007 at 12:52 pmComment by texaslady — November 13, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
makes no difference to me. Hits is just the latest incarnation of a thread diffuser. Spineless as well.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:56 pmIt is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive.
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Translation: because Conservatives are cowards that fear for their existence, they excuse their close mindedness with unfounded paranoia and insanity. Well thanks for showing everyone why you are FALSELY closed minded. Not that we didn't already know this Jake! Fun to have you be so stupid as to admit it though!
November 13th, 2007 at 12:56 pm#112 bilbobaggins:
And stop responding to them.
Yes, sir. Sorry, mea culpa. After my first intemperate comments, I just went down the the list and flagged it all "abuse".... Not even the slightest twinge of conscience; it's like squashing that mosquito, something that just needs to be done.
Cheers,
November 13th, 2007 at 1:05 pmAh! More scientific proof that conservatives are stupid.
The problem is that conservatives are so stupid that they ignore science.
But of course the earth is only 6,000 years old - and it's flat, too.
*eyeroll*
November 13th, 2007 at 1:15 pmIt is important to learn and be informed, but more important to act and survive.
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Phffffftttttt!
November 13th, 2007 at 1:29 pmWow, I cant believe that this entire thread has been hijacked!
This is such an important topic. THE MEDIA ARE THE KING-MAKERS. They are the ones who truly run this country and choose our leaders by reporting what they consider to be news in the manner to which they think is appropriate. Just look what they did to Dean, they killed his candidacy by playing that yell over and over and over.... The media was responsible for letting Bush go unchecked into Iraq. Now look at what we have, GOP-TV. There is an entire media empire dedicated to getting GOPs elected and running the neocon agenda. The dissolution of the fairness doctorine and media consolidation (both Repub actions) bear this responsibility. Can't anyone do anything about this???? Maybe bring FOX up on charges of illegal campaign contributions - like their entire operating budget going to the GOP.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:31 pmCool. I like that. Wanna get married live in sin? ;)
Gotta stay true to The Liberal Agenda â„¢.
Thanks for the splendid offer, but I'm committed.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:41 pmHits has provided the best example of the closed, bigoted mind of the typical conservative. Note the resort to primal fear and paranoia. This is a trait that has been traced to those of low intellect and loose moral values. See the racism, the income gap has not been traced to IQ. It has been traced to very deliberate tax policies pursued over the past 20 years that has redistributed income upwards. Hits would have to believe that not only the poor, but the working, middle and upper middle class have all experienced a reduction in IQ. Indeed, Hits thesis means that 95% of the population has devolved. Instead of seeing the truth, Hits will always choose the wrong answer.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:43 pmThis isn't anything new.
In medieval times, the Church knew the value of an ignorant populace.
This is simply the 21st century equivalent.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:52 pmJust for the fun - S(hits) is a pompous little troll - a total waste of pixels.
On a more serious note - as a European, it is interesting to note that the fear of terrorists in the US is inversely proportional to the likelihood of being a victim. Hence the most war mongering, cowardly reactionary states are those where a high value target would be the local Taco Bell.
I have a theory about the gene pool of the Europeamn migrants of the 18th/19th century, but would probably be banned from TP for ever if I expressed it.
November 13th, 2007 at 1:57 pmIn other news, Water wet. Fire hot.
It is at the core of the values this great nation was founded upon that the populace be informed and thoughtful. Those who are now called "liberals" are trying to keep that tradition. Those who are now called "conservatives" are failing the Founding Fathers miserably.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:03 pmTCD, nobody actually buys those books. Regnery et. al. dump them in enormous volumes so that they get on that list. Most of the copies wind up remaindered. Perhaps you missed the little tantrum thrown by some of the wingnut "authors" last week complaining about just that?
November 13th, 2007 at 2:07 pmComment by senilebiker — November 13, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Well my ancestors got tired of growing food and having it all taken away and given to the rich English "upper" class. Not sure it that's where you were going to go with that but I doubt it.
I'd say more but I'm currently being soothed by the sweet sounds of the Beatles' "Let it Be".
November 13th, 2007 at 2:09 pm...although generalizations are rarely always true.
Hits
"Rarely always"??!?
As in, "you're a narrow-minded, racist pig", which, although is mostly rarely always true, in this case is SPOT ON, and you do not warrant any further discourse because of such.
And by your own assessment, you and your drivel are completely rarely relevant.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:12 pm"The typology revealed three significant clusters of respondents: "conservatives," as we decided to call them, make up 37% of the national sample, while "liberals" comprise 39% and "moderates" 24%."
I like that - '"conservatives", as we decided to them"...
November 13th, 2007 at 2:15 pmClarence Thomas and Ann Coulter (#1 and #3 on the current NYT Best Sellers list) would like to thank all of you Liberals since you are apparantly the ones buying up their books at record numbers.
Comment by TCDon — November 13, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
The difference is that we buy books to read, not just to tell our friends we bought - like you do...
November 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pmPersonally, I think “hits†is a Liberal straw man who just says provocative things so that the rest of you Liberals have someone to attack.
Comment by TCDon — November 13, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Come on, TCDon, you've never had a thought in your miserable little life.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:25 pmPersonally, I think “hits†is a Liberal straw man who just says provocative things so that the rest of you Liberals have someone to attack.
Comment by TCDon — November 13, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Why, is that what you do? Because both of you sound like typical GOP stupid hacks to me.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:25 pmConservative viewers, who are 57% male, are more likely to watch action-adventure, sports, and business programming than moderates or liberals.
Cerebral material like documentaries and arts and educational programming all appeal more to liberals, who are 57% female.
Why don't Business shows count as cerebral material?
November 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmGod I love being a liberal.
November 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pmFunniest moment of this thread: the silly sociopathic troll is desperately trying to show us all how thoughtful and intelligent he is and uses this phrase: "Incredibly ironical..."
Ironical???!!!! Nice try, stupid.
November 13th, 2007 at 7:09 pmAnd two more studies released today revealed that the Pope is a Catholic and bears do it in the woods.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pm