Right Wing Attacks ThinkProgress For Criticizing Global Warming Denial Of ‘TV Weatherman’
Right Wing Attacks ThinkProgress For Criticizing Global Warming Denial Of ‘TV Weatherman’
Last week, Weather Channel founder and global warming denier John Coleman penned an article claiming global warming is a “scam.” Yesterday, CNN’s Glenn Beck hosted Coleman to discuss the “bullcrap” behind global warming. In the segment, Coleman claimed that global warming is “myth” and “bogus science”:
When I looked at the hockey stick graph…it showed a steady lying temperature throughout the millenium and then a sudden rise, I knew that that was incorrect. I knew it couldn’t possibly be. … And I found out it was bogus science. It wasn’t real. The numbers had been massaged. The whole thing had been created.
Watch it:
The right wing has been touting Coleman’s claims as refutation of global warming. On Friday, Newsbusters attacked ThinkProgress for criticizing Coleman, claiming we had taken “climate alarmism to absurd degrees.” ThinkProgress, Newsbusters said, should treat Coleman as a “high profile member of the weather reporting community” with legitimate views on climate change.
In reality, Coleman’s views place him in the discredited fringe of global warming deniers — the modern day equivalent of those who believe the Earth is flat. As Science Magazine noted, in addition to the IPCC and National Academy of Sciences, there is overwhelming agreement about the causes of global warming:
In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members’ expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. … The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling.
Coleman, a meteorologist, has been rebuked by his parent association, the American Meteorological Association, as well as his “baby,” The Weather Channel.
Coleman cites no scientific evidence for his claims in his original article. “I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct,” he says to prove his point. If Coleman believes global warming is a “scam,” then he should bring peer-reviewed scientific proof to the table.
Newbusters and the right wing, however, are satisfied in relying on Coleman’s resume as a weatherman, insisting that his fringe views be given equal consideration with the world’s established scientific consensus.
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By looking at a graph, not doing research, he knows.
Umm Yeh sure dude whatevah right okay dokey
November 13th, 2007 at 9:28 pmAgain, we're fed the poison pill of "consider both sides of the debate"....never mind that one side is based upon evidence and solid science, while the other is based upon absurd pseudo-science and outright lies.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pm“high profile member of the weather reporting community�??
By that standard, shouldn't they have accorded more respect to Dan Rather?
November 13th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWhen TV does a story on space travel, do they bring on a flat-earther "for balance"?
November 13th, 2007 at 9:38 pmFunny that, no actual evidence on his part, really.
Which explains why the right-wing is so adamantly taking him up as a cause celebre. Because facts are such inconvenient things, it's just so much easier to make shit up and stamp your feet.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:41 pmSomeone should tell Mr. Brainiac that the -ology in meterology means "study of." Darn those facts with their liberal bias.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:44 pmKind of reminds of the character played by Elizabeth Shue in The Saint with Val Kilmer. She was supposed to be this brilliant but wounded chemist who had discovered the secret of cold fusion. But she hadn't written it down; she hadn't proved it. She felt it. "In here".
November 13th, 2007 at 9:48 pmThat anyone could use a grade-school word like "bullcrap" and still keep a job on a CNN network, much less retain a shred of credibility regarding anything other than pole-racking and grabass, demonstrates only how truly lost CNN is as a network.
Pathetic.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:50 pmEven FUNNIER is how Rush Limbaugh got PUNKD into citing a study on global warming from an organization THAT DIDN'T EXIST.
They just wanted to see WHO would spread the "talking points" without researching the SOURCE.
Rush was ONE of the PATSIES, though NOT the only one:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/10/160/92202
AS are those who listen to his HATE-SPEWING and DRIVEL.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
P.S. Ha Ha!!
--Nelson Muntz, The Simpsons
November 13th, 2007 at 10:00 pmSlightly OT but just watched PBS show about
November 13th, 2007 at 10:04 pm"Intelligent Design" proponents having their hats
handed to them. No scientific data or facts are shown
to back up their "feelings" about that subject either.
I've studied and thought about Fox News and have decided it's a fraud and a scam.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:05 pmThat is all.
Someone should tell Mr. Brainiac that the -ology in meterology means “study of.â€
Then Fox is the master of bullcrapology.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:06 pmColeman cites no scientific evidence for his claims in his original article. “I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct,†he says to prove his point.
It is no wonder the conservatives and the evangelical right are willing to embrace this quack.
This idiot's "faith" that what he believes is right is no different than their faith in a great divine white father that lives on a cloud.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:10 pmKoko: Usual Leftist modus operandi is to use a liberal sounding knick-name. He starts with a couple neutral posts, which give him some credibility. Then he starts to mock genuine liberals and progressives. Often he uses more than one identity (ie Beefeater, John Kerry) and things become very confusing. He is a coward and if confronted before he takes over the thread will often leave.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:16 pmOne of the infamous trolls, TCDon, appears to have been banned earlier today. I was expecting a troll revolt and thought things might get out of hand, so thought it prudent to warn about UL's presence.
The next time someone denies global warming to you, ask them if they would like the chemicals we are pumping into our environment pumped into their homes. Ask them if they really think that pumping tons of pollutants into our environment can possibly NOT have a detrimental affect on the earth.
I have posed this question to our resident trolls and none of them has answered the question. I wonder why.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:24 pmslightly O/T. . . but
tonight the FBI has let
us know what we all likely
already knew -- that at
least 14 of the 17 people
gunned down by blackwater
on september 16, 2007, were
killed without any justification,
and outside the use-of-deadly-
force-protocols applicable to
blackwater in iraq. . .
this should lead to a new round
of hearings -- ones aimed at tacking
false statements under oath to
congress onto erik prince's resume. . .
i thought you'd want to know. . .
p e a c e
November 13th, 2007 at 10:27 pmThe fringe right-wingers are not flat-earthers.
They are more of the group that believe the earth is hollow and you can get the center of the Earth by going the direction of the poles and will end up inside of the earth. These are the nuts who twisted Admiral Byrd's or Perry's thoughts of the Poles in the inter Earth theroy.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:30 pmGlen Beck doesn't know the difference between weather and climate. Insipid ass not fit for bar stool speech let alone CNN.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:33 pmIf you pay attention to CNN's commercials, you'll natice they come from the coal industry, oil companies, Lockheed-Martin, US Army, etc. They have to keep their corporate sponsors happy. Last I heard, TimeWarner's stock was down 18% this year. It's all about profits.
I can't stand to watch Glenn Beck for seconds.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:35 pmOne of the infamous trolls, TCDon, appears to have been banned earlier today. I was expecting a troll revolt and thought things might get out of hand, so thought it prudent to warn about UL’s presence.
Comment by troll buster
Wow, that's great news. Can we dare to hope that hits is banned too?
If TP starts doing it's job and rids this site of useless trolls, I just might contribute to them!
November 13th, 2007 at 10:36 pmCan we dare to hope that hits is banned too?
November 13th, 2007 at 10:43 pmComment by bilbobaggins
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He certainly deserves to be tossed because of the racist posts he made earlier today.
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racial profiling could be a very effective way to augment national security.
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
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The income gap has grown because it is tied to the intelligence gap and the gap that defines the desire to be successful. Why do we act surprised when we see Black crime rates soar through the roof, or when we see dilapidated Black communities. In many ways, it’s a grand proof of Darwinian realities
Comment by hits — November 13, 2007 @ 9:22 am
Climate Changes
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:20 PM PT
Global Warming: As a U.N. panel presents its fourth and final report on climate change, a key member rejects his Nobel Prize and the founder of the Weather Channel calls its doomsday scenarios a fantasy.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPC), co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore, rumored to be Time's Man of the Year, is laboring mightily this week to bring forth what purports to be a synthesis of the best research on global warming.
The document to be issued Saturday will follow a week of discussions on what should be included in the report and what should not. A summary of about 25 pages will be negotiated literally line-by-line this week. Is the prophecy of climate doom going to be, as was once said of history, a lie agreed upon?
IPC member John Christy seems to think so and says he probably will leave the Nobel Prize off his resume. "Mother Nature," he says, "simply operates at a level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."
As we have observed, those who can't accurately predict the weekend weather aren't likely to get the next century right either.
Christy condemns "jump-to-conclusions advocates . . . who see in every weather anomaly the specter of a global-warming apocalypse." One of those advocates is the U.N.'s top climate official, Yvo de Boer, who says ignoring the urgency of climate change in this new report would be "criminally irresponsible."
Actually, what the IPCC has done to the truth over time has been irresponsible, if not criminal.
Christy discounts the claim that everything is caused by man "because everything we've seen the climate do has happened before," including rising sea levels and melting polar icecaps. But not everything we've seen the climate do, on its own, has been included in IPCC reports.
The last IPCC report, the third, released in 2001, contained University of Massachusetts geoscientist Michael Mann's famous "hockey-stick" graph purporting to show an abrupt man-made rise in global temperatures.
Mann failed to include in his calculations the Medieval Warming Period (1100-1250) when it was warmer than now and SUVs didn't exist, or the Little Ice Age of the 16th century. His flawed results were exposed when two Canadian researchers, McIntyre and McKitrick, attempted to replicate his study.
The Second Assessment Report was adopted by a fairly balanced group of participating scientists in December 1995. Then the lead author of the report, B.D. Santor, acting with the approval of IPCC pooh-bahs, changed the report significantly to enhance the emphasis on imminent doom, without consulting the scientists on the panel.
Dr. Fredrick Seitz, president emeritus of Rockefeller University and former president of the National Academy of Sciences, said: "I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report. Nearly all the changes worked to remove skepticism with which many scientists regard global warming changes."
Weather Channel founder John Coleman, now a meteorologist for San Diego TV station KUSI, writing recently on the Web site of the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project (ICECAP), declares the theory of man-made global warming "the greatest scam in history."
Coleman calls it a "manufactured crisis" by scientists "with environmental and political motives" who have "manipulated long-term scientific data to create an illusion of rigid global warming."
Scientific truth should be self-evident and provable. Scientific inquiry does not ignore contrary evidence. No one had to edit the theory of gravity into reality.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=279848677944646
November 13th, 2007 at 10:45 pmBeck (and Coleman and a host of others) should switch from T.V. to the movie industry; AS PROJECTIONISTS!
They are fundamentally incapable of understanding that THEY are the ones with political agendas. Warm blooded mammals, on the other hand, are capable of reaching conclusions which don't advance their own glory. Anyone who maintains the position that "scientists see there's lots of money to be made" has never met a scientist.
As for environmentalist agendas; I still fail to understand how such an agenda is a bad thing. Is there any way, short of "enhanced interrogation" to make these wicked fools realize that we (the human race) need a healthy environment in order to survive?
BTW, meteorology is a small part of the debate. A meteorologist, in this case, is akin to a "doctor", who has studied only hair, diagnosing and treating genetic disorders.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:46 pmWow, that’s great news. Can we dare to hope that hits is banned too?
If TP starts doing it’s job and rids this site of useless trolls, I just might contribute to them!
Comment by bilbobaggins — November 13, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
Oh, Bilbo! The venality of it all! But I know this is tongue in cheek.
Why any of you guys rise to hits bait even once I don't get. Someone on the Fox thread this morning put the count at 70 odd posts out of 120 either written by hits or in response. The weirdness of his writing style bugs me. And his responses all have "hey look, something shiny!" written all over them.
I try to be at least a Useful Troll. But never a Uni- or an Uber-Troll.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:48 pmWhy any of you guys rise to hits bait even once I don’t get. Someone on the Fox thread this morning put the count at 70 odd posts out of 120 either written by hits or in response. The weirdness of his writing style bugs me. And his responses all have “hey look, something shiny!†written all over them.
I try to be at least a Useful Troll. But never a Uni- or an Uber-Troll.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 13, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
What's SAD is that hits is clearly trying to be a useful troll as well. You both lack the SKILLS and the INTELLECT to be useful for anything but paper to wipe an @ss with!
November 13th, 2007 at 10:49 pmhttp://mobile2.wsj.com/beta2/htmlsite/html_article.php?id=1&CALL_URL=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
My Nobel Moment
By JOHN R. CHRISTY November 1, 2007; Page A19
I've had a lot of fun recently with my tiny (and unofficial) slice of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize awarded to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). But, though I was one of thousands of IPCC participants, I don't think I will add "0.0001 Nobel Laureate" to my resume. The other half of the prize was awarded to former Vice President Al Gore, whose carbon footprint would stomp my neighborhood flat. But that's another story.
Oh, so he had a SLICE of the Nobel Prize, actually awarded to the IPCC.
Wikipedia also notes that Christy is known as "contrarian" and information shows he is a Baptist Minister.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy
Not that there's anything WRONG with that, but he was a MINORITY VOICE on the IPCC.
He sure didn't speak for the MAJORITY...
Nice try at SLANT, Muckee!!!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 13th, 2007 at 11:02 pmSo Muckdog, would you like to have those chemicals we are pumping into our atmosphere pumped into your house? Do you really think that we can pump tons of pollutants into our atmosphere every day and it has zero affect on mother earth? If you think that, you are a complete and utter fool. But, then, we already knew that.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — November 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
Nice catch, AG.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:17 pmBut. But. But Jesus will save us!
November 13th, 2007 at 11:17 pm/sarc off
CNN might do less harm if it stuck to Anna Nicole and Britany.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:17 pmSo Muckdog, would you like to have those chemicals we are pumping into our atmosphere pumped into your house? Do you really think that we can pump tons of pollutants into our atmosphere every day and it has zero affect on mother earth?
I'm for clean air. I'm a vegan like Dennis Kucinich, so I'm an environmentalist everyday of my life.
I just don't believe the "agreed upon lie" of human-caused global warming.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:22 pmColeman is a scary, but insignificant tv weatherman who challenges scientists who study global climate change.
Gee, I wonder who might have the most accurate info. With Greenland melting and the polar ice caps rapidly disappearing, what the hell difference what this old fart has to say?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:22 pmyou can commit suicide by turning on your car in the garage. now weve got 50,000,000,000 cars on the planet and spheres trapping in the gas. We're in a giant gas chamber!!!!!
November 13th, 2007 at 11:23 pmpete sez:
Indeed. If you really believe that Jesus is going to just reach down and snatch up you and your Fundie buddies and leave everyone else to clean up your mess, you've pretty much automatically disqualified yourself from anything approaching rational discussion.
Words cannot describe how much I despise the Rapture myth.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:23 pmThe global warming deniers are so self-absorbed to think that anything they do may impact others. If they did then they would be required to stop being so self-absorbed and selfish. These 'deniers' are the same gullible people that believe Moses was able to gather every species of animal on the planet (which would require him to travel to Australia, North, South and Central America, the North Pole, the South Pole, all the islands on the planet, Africa, etc), had a boat big enough to house said animals, was able to gather enough food for a 30+ day journey, gather food that meets each individual species dietary needs (like he could Know that), that 6 people were able to care for the millions of species of animals aboard the vessel and ended up in almost the same place they started without a sail or rudder. 'In other words', ocean currents be damned, they drifted to almost the same spot from which they left. Oh, and don't forget the tens of thousands of dinosaur species that were on board. Even though the largest dino to walk the earth, Sauroposeidon, was large enough that it could have peered through a sixth-floor window with ease. The deniers claim to believe in a God that commanded them to take good care of His creation. Do they? They eat like gluttons, consume like gluttons but are about as open-minded as an anorexic. Their way of thinking will go the way of the dinosaur. Soon. Very soon!!
November 13th, 2007 at 11:25 pmmuckdog sez:
You can disagree all you like. That's your right.
I know people who believe the evolution is an "agreed upon lie", and that the earth is 6000 years old. You're by no means alone in your obstinate refusal to accept the results of the scientific method.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:27 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — November 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
Nice catch, AG.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — November 13, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
Garcias (Scottsdale, AZ)!
Just a couple of minutes ago, as I was sitting by the lake here in Kirkland, a group of antiwar marchers passed by, and I walked
alongside them and played them "America the Beautiful" on my harmonica, to remind them (and ME) that it is OUR country, NOT the FASCISTS'.
I also told them about "Crooks and Liars", which they had NOT heard of. Amato must spend a LOT on bandwidth to get all the video of the
HYPOCRITES like Bush, Delay, etc. I've got a whole damn LIBRARY of these SOB's to pass on to future generations for their review.
History-slanters like IBD and Muckee and Rush and Bush are causing people who watch Fox "news" and such to be MORONS.
In 1980, Zippy the Pinhead ran against Reagan and Carter (in High Times Comix) and WON, by convincing the he already WAS prez and was running for re-election ("is HE the president? Well, I guess so...)
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 13th, 2007 at 11:29 pmWho cares what Gary Coleman thinks.
-GSD
November 13th, 2007 at 11:30 pmI just don’t believe the “agreed upon lie†of human-caused global warming.
Comment by muckdog — November 13, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
You folks really need to stop masturbating every time a US soldier dies in Iraq.
The surge is working.
Comment by muckdog — August 8, 2007 @ 2:23 am
Ya gotta hand it ta our li'l muckie... he's a class act all tha way, as evinced by this comment from early August.
PURE... CLASS!!!! ;-D!!!
November 13th, 2007 at 11:33 pmQuoting an article from the Investors' Business Daily in a discussion about the science of global climate change is, quite frankly, stupid.
You might as well be quoting Michael Crichton's State of Fear.
For those of you who are interested in genuine, scientific information on the "Hockey Stick" so-called controversy, there are a couple of article in RealClimate.org:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=11
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=121
The wikipedia also has a nice entry on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
And before any half-wit troll tells me my links are too old, the Business Daily's babble is about as old. Like good deniers that they are, they repeat the same lie over and over, regardless of how many times it's been proven wrong.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:35 pmLet me re-post the links:
RealClimate.org:
Myth vs. Fact Regarding the "Hockey Stick"
Dummies guide to the latest "Hockey Stick" controversy
Wikipedia:
Hockey stick controversy
(That's what happens when you try to multi-task ;-) )
November 13th, 2007 at 11:39 pmZippy for President:
http://zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZFP&Category_Code=szcp&Product_Count=0
Great poster by Bill Griffith
From the article:
(Ronnie and Jimmy are playing pinball in the White House basement)
Reagan: I think that this Zippy is a THREAT to National Security, don't you agree Jimmy.
Carter: Indeed I DO, Ronnie. Shoot, fuggin' tilt! As they say in Georgia, never trust a pinhead unless you've got his pecker in your pocket!
Reagan: And as they say in Hollywood, when you wish upon a star, it makes no difference who, uh, Zzzzzzzzzzz!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 13th, 2007 at 11:39 pmWasn't Coleman one of those silly weathermen on local news?
In any case, when 90% of scientists agree on global warming, and 10% remain unconvinced, why are the 10% given equal weight as the 90%. Oh wait, silly me, it's the right wingers, the flat-earth people, the Bush-loving Bible thumpers who make such claims.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThere is no logic to their thinking.
Coleman: Global climate change doesn't exist because I say so. I have thought about it.
It would be funny were it not so pathetic.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI know I cause global warming,,,,, I have gas too,,,,
I suggest we outlaw BEANS,,,, they are clearly bad for the environment…
Comment by francie — November 13, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
No need to outlaw beans. You could show us the way and simply stop breathing.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:45 pmTo be good at sarcasm, one needs to have a minimum level of intelligence.
It is painfully clear our latest troll doesn't even reach that threshold.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:47 pmTo be good at sarcasm, one needs to have a minimum level of intelligence.
It is painfully clear our latest troll doesn’t even reach that threshold.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — November 13, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
But. But Jesus loves it.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:48 pm/sarc off
I just don’t believe the “agreed upon lie†of human-caused global warming.
Comment by muckdog
You didn't answer my questions. I'll ask them again, slowly so you may understand them.
Do you really think that pumping tons of pollutants into our air daily is not having a negative affect on our environment, and on mother earth? If you do think that, you are incredibly stupid. And my other question was, would you like to have those pollutants pumped into your house?
Can you honestly answer those questions?
November 13th, 2007 at 11:51 pmfrancies style is identical to hits, btw
November 13th, 2007 at 11:58 pmCan you honestly answer those questions
BILBO
Comment by francie
Yes, troll francie, I can answer those questions. Of course pumping tons of pollutants into our atmosphere daily is going to have a negative affect on the earth. It's hard to imagine how it could NOT have a negative affect. And No, I would not want those pollutants pumped into my house. I would like to see them banned.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:59 pmfrancies style is identical to hits, btw
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 13, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Careful. You're turning into a troll hunter.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:01 amif i piss into the ocean every day,, and have to go alot,,,
does’nt it pollute the ocean?
Would you like me to piss in your house?
Comment by francie — November 13, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
These is so weird! Sort of an out of control Big Lebowski meets the Abyss sort of deal I guess. I suggest that if you drink less you might piss less.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:04 amCMON pete,,, lets not get mean and tell other people to stop breathing now,,, thats just MEAN
Comment by francie — November 13, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Not mean at all, Vichy France-ee. Asphyxiation results in death due to lack of oxygen to the brain. I don't think you have much to worry about.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:07 am“I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct.â€
This weather guy sounds just like a troll. :P
November 14th, 2007 at 12:07 amComment by dbadass — November 14, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Weird indeed.
Our latest troll only seems to be able to think of pollution in terms of bodily excretions.
I guess it has never been to a city....
November 14th, 2007 at 12:10 amYes. It pollutes the air.
No, there is no scientific evidence that it causes "global warming." However, there are many with a vested interest in trying to convince you that it does. That's the "agreed upon lie."
Simple enough for you?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:13 amLet me ask the obvious question that is being danced around. The current entry point to the AMS is a Bachelor's in meteorology. However, when this guy got his start, could someone join without even a Bachelor's ???
Along with that, what are this guy's qualification. If he's read dozen's of articles - how does that compare to all the PhDs running around who say global warming exists ?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:13 amComment by andy phx — November 13, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
I agree--except it was Noah, not Moses. There's a museum in Kentucky that teaches people lived with dinosaurs and a reason they went extinct was overhunting! Guess these people thought The Flintstones was a documentary!
November 14th, 2007 at 12:14 amI remember Reagan saying in the 1980 campaign that the biggest cause of pollution in the US was TREES! People hung signs on trees saying "Stop me before I kill again".
November 14th, 2007 at 12:16 amBetter yet Francie why don't we comsume less red meat thus reducing the number of methane producing livestock herds, make so simple life style choices which promote healthier citizens, stop making innane stretched excuses for not wishing to be a more conscienteous citizen of a global habittrail and overall just do something positive for yourself, others, and the biosphere as a whole
November 14th, 2007 at 12:16 amAs I said before, to be good at sarcasm one needs to have a minimum of acumen.
Our latest troll doesn't quite get there. It's actually rather pitiful.
And none of his babble takes anything away from the fact that there is consensus in the scientific community over the reality of global climate change.
Taking about bodily excretions does not prove or disprove anything -anything beyond their lack of gray matter, that is.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:19 amAnd to refute the consensus of the scientific community, evidence is needed. Repeating "This ain't so because I say so" is no evidence.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:22 amThe earth is not getting warmer people are getting colder.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:22 amComment by dbadass — November 14, 2007 @ 12:16 am
What's happening in much of the world now is cutting down forests to give cattle grazing land. Of course, the forests clean CO2 from the air.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:24 amJohn Coleman used to be our local weatherman. About all I can remember about him was how he fumbled the weather forecast far more often than those on the other 2 channels. Does Coleman even have a climate/weather related degree?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:25 amand suppossedly there were more of them in the past,,,
Sort of like the forests of the past as well I suppose don't you think? Maybe we could use a few more of them and a few less not allowed clothesline condos and redundant anytown USA shopping areas. What specifically is your beef with this whole issue?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:27 amIts the communists that are making the climate warmer so they can grow more crops, look, they are tired of drinking potato vodka, see?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:29 amNewsflash:
Pointing to previous scientific errors to try to prove that global climate scientists are wrong is called a logical fallacy.
To put it in plain English: Piltdown man is irrelevant.
Scientists also thought virus were the consequence of disease rather than the cause. Those of us with a modicum of education still get our immunization shots.
What a stupid babble these trolls are spouting tonight. Is there a full moon tonight?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:30 amRemember folks, what is needed is evidence.
When the trolls and assorted global climate change deniers change the subject to bodily excretions and past scientific mistakes, it's a good sign that not only they are in over their head when it comes to this subject, but they're also scientific illiterates.
Actually, they might just be functional illiterates, period.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:33 amYET,,, its’ gotta be man,,,,, YEP,,
Comment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 12:32 am
And you base these strong opinions on what? Are we to assume you also have a problem with Darwinian evolution based on the irrelevent Piltdown Man stuff? Since you are so confident do you believe yourself to be more knowledgable than US military stategic planners and the vast majority of learned folks who feel the human component is a factor? Obviously problems such as this are multivarient. Seems we have control over the human component. Why not start there?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:38 amFor the benefit of thinking people reading this thread:
I have never made the claim that animals are more to blame than humans for global climate change.
Any such attribution to me is a very obvious strawman argument.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:41 amComma, comma, comma chameleon?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:41 amComment by dbadass — November 14, 2007 @ 12:38 am
Don't bother the troll.
It's too busy drooling when thinking of dinosaur dung.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:42 amActually, they might just be functional illiterates, period.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — November 14, 2007 @ 12:33 am
It's the inevitable result of sub-humans "apeing" human intellect. Kinda like a bear riding a bike.
And on that note, G'night humans.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:44 amYou too trolls.
More food for thought for the thinking people reading this thread:
Scientists have filled in a key piece of the global climate picture for a period 55 million years ago that is considered one of the most abrupt and extreme episodes of global warming in Earth's history. The new results from an analysis of sediment cores from the ocean floor are consistent with theoretical predictions of how Earth's climate would respond to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:46 amNew evidence of global warming in Earth's past supports greenhouse climate theory
Could Francie be Glen Beck? Is lame in a similar asinine way.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:49 amSheesh,,, nitwit,,, you sound like a LIBTARD trying to pick and choose what you do and don’t believe out of the same UN report….
Comment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 12:46 am
So if I like the saltimbocca I must like the piccata afterall they show up on the same menu? How does selective reading/qouting of any report regarding anything equate to some sort of "Libtard" behavior?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:51 amThose claiming that the IPCC report establishes animal-produced methane is to blame for global climate change, surely can easily point to the page(s) where such a revelation is made in the report.
Either that or the claim is pure babble (what a shock, I know).
November 14th, 2007 at 12:53 amto pose in DRAG with a new name,,,,,
Comment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 12:52 am
You seem to be enjoying it. Glen Beck would too.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:55 amLast time I checked I was. The current administration and all others of all ideologies have always cherry picked data. Remember the 911 commission report suggestions? I think we might have to reaccess who might be unreal
November 14th, 2007 at 12:57 amNo facts and just that, "I know I am right" thing works for Fascist Repukian Brownshirt Lockstep Christofascist God talks to me crowd.
That's the booze or the meth or the little page locked in your special closet that is yelling for you to put on your diapers/ladies undies/rubber suit and tell the police all the details about your ability to tap dance in a bathroom stall.
Wow, never thought I could get all those Family Values traits from repulsicans in one paragraph.....sweet.
Buck Fush
November 14th, 2007 at 12:57 amComment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 12:58 am
You made the claim that the IPCC report revealed cattle is more to blame than humans for global warming:
also said animal caused METHANE is a BIGGER factor,,,,
Comment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 12:46 am
This is not a "debate". Just point me to the page(s) in the report.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:03 amKiss my a$$ Francie - how's that for you.
Methane is excessive because of all the BEEF that fat a$$ americans eat....which is...er...ah Human caused.
You are soooooo lame, and laughable, punk.
Buck Fush
November 14th, 2007 at 1:06 amI will send $20 to the troll's survivors should he hold his breath for, oh, 30mins or so.
It's a win-win: They get rid of an embarrassing relative. We get rid of the troll.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:08 amNo but I would do it for Soupy Sales. My socially and environmentally conscious decisions have nothing to do with Al. So lets recap shall we: Libtards, Al, Hillary, piss, retarded theory most trained scientists find substance in, bison, dino dung, lots of commas. Does that pretty much sum it up
November 14th, 2007 at 1:08 amComment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Can you stop babbling for 5mins?
Just point me to the page(s) in the report.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:09 amThese wingnuts deny the logic and science concerning climate change and then condemn Al gore using the same logic. Then think they are clever. Enough to despise them even if they had a legitimate point somewhere in their nonsense. Babble on fools.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:09 amPLease,,, i dont’ want to go away to find it for him,,,,
Comment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 1:07 am
If there was any doubt, here it is, in all its glory, the troll's supreme ignorance: He has never read the IPCC assessment and has to rely on Drudge to tell him what the report says.
You cannot make this stuff up.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:12 amSick, smelly, gross, humans,,,,,, hell,, if we were meant to be in the ocean then we would have been born with GILLS…
Comment by francie
Mothers womb is full of water, did you have gills then?
November 14th, 2007 at 1:13 amall chordates have gill slits at some point
November 14th, 2007 at 1:16 amhey buckie,,,, please tell me why more beasts roaming the planet before and farting and all did not cause the GW? -Francie
Cause a big bad comet came down and blasted them and the greenhouse they was living in! It was like Dino Armageddon!
November 14th, 2007 at 1:16 amWillful ignorance is proudly being displayed in this thread by Francie. She should just go ahead and piss in her own soup and drink it.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:17 amHere is the link to the IPCC's 3rd assessment (full text):
IPCC Third Assesment Report
Now, where in it does it say that "animals are more to blame than humans" for global climate change?
C'mon. I am really curious.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:19 amFrancie, if the globe wasn't warming we'd still have wooly mammoths now wouldn't we?
November 14th, 2007 at 1:19 amDrudge is a tabloidal. National Enquirer makes more sense than rumor man.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:21 amDamn it Gregor you had to go and drive off the funny weird person again
November 14th, 2007 at 1:22 amComment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 1:20 am
Why should I go to Drudge's piss-poor excuse of a website, when I can go to the IPCC's website and read the report for myself?
Stop babbling. I already posted the link to the full test of the report. Now point me to the pages where it is stated that "animals are more to blame than humans" for global climate change.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:22 amSorry you are really way too stupid to explain that humans have huge BEEF farms and that with soooo many humans consuming said BEEF that the cows are making much more methane along with auto emissions, factory emissions that mother nature can't keep up with all the gas...which is sorta like the mouth fart gas you are spewing.
You're still a neocon'ed punk, stupid is as stupid is bred to be.
Buck Fush
November 14th, 2007 at 1:23 amOh, and that'd be "full text of the report"
November 14th, 2007 at 1:24 amMethane gas, abundantly trapped as a half frozen slush in the northern hemisphere's tundra permafrost regions and at the bottom of the sea may well be a ticking time bomb, says geologist John Atcheson in an article published by the Baltimore Sun in December last year. Methane is about twenty times stronger as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
Bwah, Drudge thinks methane can only come from living animals, what a dope.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:24 amComment by dbadass — November 14, 2007 @ 1:22 am
Sorry if I spoiled your fun ;-)
November 14th, 2007 at 1:24 amsorry,,, dudes,,, gotta run,,,
Comment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 1:20 am
Now, I'm holding my breath.
Francie seems typical in some ways to the climate change deniers....relying on obstruction and willful ignorance. What do they really hope to gain?
November 14th, 2007 at 1:25 amComment by Xisithrus — November 14, 2007 @ 1:24 am
Our trolls is under the same impression. What dopes.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:26 amYeah, Xisithrus, thanks, I forgot about the methane coming from the perma frost that is not so perma anymore.
And now for something really stupid -
ANY Comment by francie
Buck Fush
November 14th, 2007 at 1:27 amOur trolls is under the same impression. What dopes.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — November 14, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Thats what happens when they listens to ratings pundits...
November 14th, 2007 at 1:27 amXisithrus,
Heh. Funny guy. Or should I say "funnys guys"? ;-)
November 14th, 2007 at 1:30 amJust up late tonight - making navy bean soup with corn bread for tomorrow...mmmmm.
Francie sounded alot like that other troll, mmm what was her name?
hehe, they are all punks when push comes to shove.
And the bean soup with corn bread is delicious.
Buck Fush
November 14th, 2007 at 1:30 amPCC report states that methane increases in our atmosphere account for only about one sixth of the total effect of well-mixed greenhouse gases on warming.
Part of the reason the new calculations give a larger effect is that they include the effect methane has on air pollution. A major component of air pollution is near-surface-level or tropospheric ozone, which is not directly emitted, but is instead formed chemically from methane other hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides. The IPCC report includes the effects of tropospheric ozone increases on climate, but it is not attributed to particular sources. By categorizing the climate effects according to emissions, Shindell and colleagues found the total effects of methane emissions are substantially larger. In other words, the true source of some of the warming that is normally attributed to smog is really due to methane that leads to increased smog.
"If we control methane, which is viable, then we are likely to soften global warming more than one would have thought, so that's a very positive outcome," Shindell said.
Sources of methane include natural sources like wetlands, gas hydrates in the ocean floor, permafrost, termites, oceans, freshwater bodies, and non-wetland soils. Fossil fuels, cattle, landfills and rice paddies are the main human-related sources.
As usual the pundits take things WAY out of context knowing their idiot listeners wont, or dont read.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:30 amI just had to add this before I drift off. While it's true that elevated methane is problematic; it's more reactive than CO2. For those of you without degrees in chemistry, that means that methane is broken down, and combines more readily, than CO2. Maybe that will drag Vichy France-ee, that monument to institutionalized ignorance, away from it's fart obsession.
NOTE TO HUMANS: I know it's an unrealistic goal but, hope springs eternal.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:31 amOh my gosh, I forgot, I will be adding to the methane gas with that navy bean soup?
Hehe, nite guys, keep up the good fight.
Buck Fush
November 14th, 2007 at 1:32 amFossil fuels create methane as well as Permafrost when have nothing to do with cows, COWS do produce methane, but propably no more than Limbaugh and Beck combined.
I dont have a degree and chemistry but even I know DRUDGE is a useful idiot for the polticos with agendas.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:33 amDrudge: I don't have a chemistry degree and I am no climate scientist, but I do have a web site and I slept at a Holiday Inn last night.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:40 amThis is such an easy argument. Has he submitted his finding for peer review. There is a system in place for determining valid science from BS...it's called the peer review process. If he hasn't submitted his findings it's not science. End of discussion.
November 14th, 2007 at 2:21 amhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/11/fox-news-in-case-without-exit.html
scandal involving nancy reagan... ah pelosi... ah judith reagan
November 14th, 2007 at 3:40 amFOX is State Sponsored TV
November 14th, 2007 at 6:20 amOn topic:
John Coleman is a fraud, and could be ignored, except CNN allows the lying climate change denier to have unopposed access to the public with NO rebuttal! This is CNN showing its TRUE COLORS!
Also Coleman is the nutcase Inhofe quotes ad nauseam in Senate hearings on global climate change. Two frauds, one quoting the other!
November 14th, 2007 at 6:38 amWhere is Troll Buster when you need him?
Did you folks see the Comment by francie — November 14, 2007 @ 12:52 am?
"I’m not GLEN,,, im SCOOTER,,, the same sucker your TP brownshirts kicked off and forced to pose in DRAG with a new name,,,,,"
Did everyone report the lying, deceptive troll for ABUSE?
PLEASE DO SO! That troll has been removed from the TP site ONCE already, but the troll can't stop trying to distract from the topic and be generally inflammatory, spouting homemade lies and lies from another liar (beside Coleman and Beck), Matt Drudge.
The topic is John Coleman's lack of expertise in a subject matter in which he claims to be an expert. Like SCOOTER/francie, he is an imposter and a serial liar.
Our troll can be dealt with. The Coleman troll and his Media Putz enabler, Beck, are MainStream Media-backed liars. That is a MUCH bigger deal, than our puny little troll who can, AND SHOULD BE, REMOVED!
November 14th, 2007 at 6:50 amGlobal warming is a real phenomenon. So is the need to continue our way of life. The intelligent thing would be to recognize that the cost of rolling back our way of life is much higher than the perceived costs of global warming. Scientific advancements will ensure that global warming will be taken care of before they affect our way of life. Darwinian realities will take care of those who get left behind.
November 14th, 2007 at 7:38 amThere is no need to continue our wasteful, murderous way of DEATH. Many of the changes needed to save the planet would be very beneficial to humans as a whole. The rightard way of life leads to earlier deaths for more people,as the pigs at the trough try to make up for their miserable existences by purchasing more crap and showing off for their likewise soulless friends and associates. The cost of rolling back our way of life would be very small compared to teh benefits in the long term.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:05 amLefty Patriot,
I feel a distinct urge to continue my way of life. I believe it is a more intelligent way of doing things. I will support you in your "war against global warming" if you assume my costs as well.
Hits
November 14th, 2007 at 8:09 amI'm not interested in supporting your greed, hits. I'm not interested in your "urges", either. You are most likely living a wasteful, materialistic, piggish way of life that makes you feel worthwhile in comparison to others that you may know, but you make the mistake of measuring your self-worth through your "way of life". And when you extrapolate to "our way of life", then you are factoring in the incredibly selfish lifestyles of the very same murderous arms dealers, oilmen and industrialists who are mainly responsible for the destruction of the planet. So don't look to me to support your ignorance and greed, that is your own spiritual weakness showing.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:36 amAnd blind faith in new science such as this while ignoring any possible opposition is the epitome of stupidity.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 14, 2007 @ 8:33 am
bigfoot, your extreme ignorance and lack of ability to exercise critical though is highlighted in your every selfish, ignorant post. "Science" and "blind faith" are two entirely different things, and there is no question that the idiot Coleman is relying on blind faith, while the concensus among scientists is that global climate change is accelerated by man's foolish actions, which can only be fixed by man. Your post shows how far the right will go to make a few more bucks while allowing their children and grandchildren to choke to death. Profits over people; the mantra of the greedmongering capitalist. You have no soul.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:40 amSo there it is, folks, in all its glory: rightwing selfishness, personified by two of the most ignorant pig trolls that inhabit this site. No empathy for their own progeny, no compassion for those born in less fortunate circumstances, no ability for critical thinking, just blind acceptance of the instructions from their "leadership": go shopping. Shallow, greedy, weak and barely civilized, perfect examples of the far-right lunatic fringe that has hijacked this country for no reason except to display their hatred and envy of those who have reached full evolution.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:46 amGo ahead and deny. Don't act. And be prepared bow your heads with shame when your grandchilden ask you why your generation didn't even try. Funny how all the same people that claim doing something about the environment is too costly considering the odds of doing any good, are the same ones who have happily pissed billions of dollars into Iraq because there was a slight chance of there being a possibility that Saddam Hussein might start to think about building a nuclear weapon.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:46 amLefty Patriot,
Fair enough. You do not need to assume my costs. That's your prerogative. However, you do exhibit a marked tendency to extrapolate and spout - willy nilly, if I may. Quite amusing to visualize.
Hits
November 14th, 2007 at 8:48 amMenhume sez:
You're making two unfounded assumptions:
1.) The assumption that these trolls could manage to find anyone stupid and tasteless enough to actually consider performing the reproductive act with them.
2.) The assumption that these trolls possess any shame whatsoever.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:52 amknock yourself out, hits. i realize that you have a very limited imagination and an even more limited capacity for logical thought, so it doesn't surprise me that you are amused when shown the error of your ways; it's standard sociopathic behavior, much like your Deserter-In-Chief displays when confronted with an issue he, too, wishes to ignore. Since you are far behing me on the evolutionary scale, I don't expect much more from you.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:55 amLefty Patriot,
In making your statement, you have completely ignored the essence of my assertion, and instead have opted to take the "adjective driven evolutionary scale comparison" approach (also known as irrelevant baloney). Do you have an iota of logic or intelligence to dispute what I have claimed in my original post?
Hits
November 14th, 2007 at 8:58 amComment by Lefty Patriot — November 14, 2007 @ 8:55 am
The threads are less likely to be disrupted if you simply ignore trolls like hits. The troll has succeeded several times recently in dominating a thread with its own mindless posts and scores of posts from people trying to "argue" with hits, or even to scream at it. DNFTT.
November 14th, 2007 at 9:02 amThe fact is that rolling back our disgustingly selfish Fat American lifestyle would be far cheaper in the long run than allowing the Earth to become too polluted for human existence. I didn't think that I would have to post such an obvious fact, but our trolls seem to have showed up without their brains. So, that's it for the time being. No more troll-feeding, they just swallow it whole and shit it back out their mouths.
November 14th, 2007 at 9:06 amgummitch,
You are partially correct. You (and others) have the option of not being influenced by my opinions. However, I would posit that the "thread" and the "topic" are larger than me or you. So, I cannot derail anything.
Hits
November 14th, 2007 at 9:13 amJohn Cleman is a third-rate weatherman at a second-rate tv station (KUSI). If his Global Warming pronouncements match his daily weather prognostications, I'd buy hip-waders.
November 14th, 2007 at 9:27 amMake that "Coleman."
November 14th, 2007 at 9:27 amFlatulance baby,,, , just like our COWS that put out more POLLUTION (so called global warming) than all the Man made crap combined….
I guess those dino’s just had bad gas ehhh…?
Comment by francie — November 13, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Cow flatulence is part of the human-caused global warming problem. Without human agriculture there wouldn't be millions of bovine fermentation vats putting out tons of methane every year.
November 14th, 2007 at 9:41 amLefty Patriot,
I feel a distinct urge to continue my way of life. I believe it is a more intelligent way of doing things. I will support you in your “war against global warming†if you assume my costs as well.
Hits
Comment by hits — November 14, 2007 @ 8:09 am
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This is the heart and soul of the neo-conservative way of life. "I've got mine. F**k all y'all."
"The world can turn into a Venusian Class planet for all I care. I wanna drive my big honkin' SUV and have my huge honkin' house and consume consume consume ALL I want!"
"The United States can turn into a Fascist Country that would make Mussolini proud, where the harsh laws only apply to those without cold hard cash. I just know I'll be part of that ruling elite, so f**k all y'all."
"Everyone else in the world is a danger to MY way of life. The whole world is a bunch of Commiislamopinkofascistterrists (TM). F**k 'em all!"
Or to reduce the neoconservative political group's positions to three words: "F**k you all."
November 14th, 2007 at 9:48 amJeremy in Denver,
I do not profess to be a Conservative. Further, I don't think you have really internalized what I am saying here.
Hits
November 14th, 2007 at 9:52 amBill OReilly was once a weatherman. 'Nuff said.
November 14th, 2007 at 10:13 amIn short, man is not the problem, man is the solution. Freedom, and the free-market, have always been the vehicles of progress, not the impediments to it.
Despite the dramatic rise in population, the earth is cleaner, per capita, than it was a mere 100 years ago. Modern improvements in sanitation, and more environmentally sensitive methods of fuel utilization, have created a healthier world for all of us.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 14, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Which "us" are you referring to? I'm guessing white suburbanite Americans. I suggest you visit the giant smokestack that is Beijing or the open sewer that is the Hooghli river in India to see that the vast majority of the world is NOT cleaner than it was 100 years ago.
100 years ago, we did not have CFCs in the atmosphere degrading the ozone layer. 100 years ago, we did not have plastics precipitating in the oceans and choking marine life. 100 years ago, we did not have nearly as many petroleum-based fertilizers leeching into groundwater, running off into streams, and creating vast dead zones in the oceans. 100 years ago, we did not have two SUVs per family putting tons of carbon into the atmosphere per day.
And putting all of tour blind faith in the free market is a recipe for disaster. The free market, much like the tooth fairy and Islamofascism, is a myth. It doesn't exist in the real world - only on the blackboards of Econ 101 professors. There never has been a free market and never will be. Markets are universally lopsided, corrupted, subsidized, and controlled.
Yes, business will be part of the climate change solution. But governments will have to be, too. As will international trade agreements. This is a global problem and it requires a truly global solution.
November 14th, 2007 at 10:15 amOf course you're not a conservative, Hits. True conservatives are abandoning your party, feeling lost at the loss of their voice, as many democratic liberals are feeling lost at the loss of their voice in the Democratic party.
You're a _neo_-conservative, someone who professes to believe in Christ and the Free Market, who refuses to put merit in science, who just wants to feel better than everyone else.
There's a reason I didn't lump the neos in with the true conservatives.
And I've digested what you've said, and your buddy, O.Bigfoot too. I stand by my claim. The only thing important to you and yours is getting what you want, and to hell with anyone else who is in your way. But I shouldn't complain TOO much. After all, screwing over anyone who has what you want then taking it from them is what we're all expected to do in America today.
November 14th, 2007 at 11:13 amThe response by Newsbuster to this Think Progress article:
"Yes, but Coleman is highly regarded by conservatives as a leading conservative voice among the discredited fringe of global warming deniers."
November 14th, 2007 at 12:12 pm“Yes, but Coleman is highly regarded by conservatives as a leading conservative voice among the discredited fringe of global warming deniers.â€
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — November 14, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Wow. Now THAT's a ringing endorsement. That's kinda like regarsing Prussian Blue as a leading voice among the racist fringe of white supremacists.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:21 pmWas this why Ricky Santorum wanted to steer a ton of official business to the Weather Channel?
November 14th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI'm proud of Coleman.
I'll never believe those lying melting icebergs.
November 14th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThat “discredited fringe†is starting to amass quite a few members now. As usual, Think Progress just labels people they don’t want to listen to as part of the Flat Earth society. Way to go guys, using ad hominem attacks will surely make people believe you even more.
Comment by DreamCrusher — November 14, 2007 @ 11:49 am
What is "quite a few"? Who are they and what are their qualifications? Do they have any conlict of interests?
Are you implying that John Coleman is credible?
November 14th, 2007 at 3:50 pm"Modern “liberalism†apparently deems any opposing thought to be dangerous, and would prefer it be silenced through censorship.
To paraphrase something I heard long ago: “The weakness of ones own argument can be judged by the level of violent opposition to any other argument.â€
Modern “liberalismâ€, being primarily negative in nature, cannot see that the solutions to all ills come from the mind of man, and that the knowledge and intuition endowed by our creator will eventually find solutions to what ails us."
Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 14, 2007 @ 9:58 am
0. Bigfoot,
You're joking, right?
"…deems any opposing thought to be dangerous…"
"…violent opposition to any other argument.â€
"…primarily negative in nature…"
Dangerous, violent and negative?
November 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmLiberalism, huh?
No, that would be your president and his partners in crime.
Flatearth society can walk there willfully ignorant asses off the edge of their flat earth. Freakin morons. That's it. Moron is a part of a our lexicon, and it has a place. And it's place to be used is on the cavemen 'intelligent design', 'global warming denying', flat earth crowd. Morons.
Does your microwave work, you idiot?
Do thermonuclear bombs work, you idiots?
Did the actions taken to retard the human induced hole in the ozone layer work, you douchebags?
Yes, yes and yes.
And tell, me Willfully Ignorant, why do all of those things work? The same reason that the magical computing device that you're reading this on works- because science works. Take your religious blasphem and shove it up your ---.
November 15th, 2007 at 2:35 amFlatearth society can walk their willfully ignorant asses off the edge of their flat earth. Freakin morons. That's it. Moron is a part of a our lexicon, and it has a place. And it's place to be used is on the cavemen 'intelligent design', 'global warming denying', flat earth crowd. Morons.
Does your microwave work, you idiot?
Do thermonuclear bombs work, silly?
Did the actions taken to retard the human induced hole in the ozone layer work, you douchebags?
Yes, yes and yes.
And tell, me Willfully Ignorant, why do all of those things work? The same reason that the magical computing device that you're reading this on works- because science works. Take your religious blasphem and shove it up your ---.
November 15th, 2007 at 2:37 amWho stands to gain by the recent frantic denials of global warming? Could this be an effort to discredit its main proponents and their political affiliations, e.g. Al Gore et al.?
Or could this be an effort by those who stand to lose (in the short term) by widespread
action taken to avoid disaster?
All politics aside, and irrespective of how true specific claims about global warming are,
it seems that the worst thing we can do is nothing.
If we continue on our present course, there will likely be a World War for access to the
world’s oil, as supply dwindles at an increasing rate. If that war becomes nuclear,
it could spawn a nuclear winter. At that point, global warming becomes irrelevant, since
it would be offset by the nuclear winter.
Our children and grandchildren will then inherit an almost uninhabitable earth.
November 16th, 2007 at 2:49 pm