Comments on: Coal Industry Sponsoring Tonight’s CNN Democratic Presidential Debate http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:44:13 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4158993 katy Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:52:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4158993 <em><strong>FutureGen </strong>is a project of the US government to build a near zero-emissions coal-fueled power plant that intends to produce hydrogen and electricity while using carbon capture and storage.</em> -wikipedia my area in illinois is in a strong position to get this new plant... and jobs... i'm sure obama is a proponent... ... also, did anyone know that campbell brown's husband it a ROMNEY guy??? yea... that girl's gonna be unbiased... ... FutureGen is a project of the US government to build a near zero-emissions coal-fueled power plant that intends to produce hydrogen and electricity while using carbon capture and storage.
-wikipedia

my area in illinois is in a strong position to get this new plant… and jobs…

i’m sure obama is a proponent…
…

also, did anyone know that campbell brown’s husband it a
ROMNEY guy???

yea… that girl’s gonna be unbiased…
…

]]> By: Cactus Jack1 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4158672 Cactus Jack1 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:24:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4158672 Someone help me here because I'm in no way defending polluting coal but there is a modern, huge coal fired plant nearby and all I can see coming from it is steam. Do they have clean plants? It was completed in about 1987-88 Someone help me here because I’m in no way defending polluting coal but there is a modern, huge coal fired plant nearby and all I can see coming from it is steam.

Do they have clean plants?

It was completed in about 1987-88

]]> By: American Style Fascism http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4158561 American Style Fascism Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:24:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4158561 Yeah, solar and wind power is going to replace coal. Let me know when you guys get back from Imagination Land. VS. As usual, the liberal “anti-everything” crowd is long on complaining, short on realistic ideas. Hmmm. Can you say hypocrite? I can! I can! DreamCrusher is such a strong name, yet your arguments cancel each other out rendering you irrelevent. You've been given a few different alternatives. Even in the opening of the blog by Faiz. Did you read that before making your comments? Didn't think so. Yet you poo-poo every viable idea. How convenient for you. You're an embarrassment. Coal is bad news man. It's the 21st century my wit-less chum. Yeah, solar and wind power is going to replace coal. Let me know when you guys get back from Imagination Land.

VS.

As usual, the liberal “anti-everything” crowd is long on complaining, short on realistic ideas.

Hmmm. Can you say hypocrite? I can! I can! DreamCrusher is such a strong name, yet your arguments cancel each other out rendering you irrelevent. You’ve been given a few different alternatives. Even in the opening of the blog by Faiz. Did you read that before making your comments? Didn’t think so. Yet you poo-poo every viable idea. How convenient for you. You’re an embarrassment. Coal is bad news man. It’s the 21st century my wit-less chum.

]]> By: joe cantwell http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157987 joe cantwell Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:50:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157987 <strong>southern man and dreamcursher,</strong> while you guys are dicking around here playing with yourselves house minority leader john "bonie" boehner (r-oh) is getting his ass kicked at a tp post entitled: <strong>Weepy Boehner breaks down again on House floor.</strong> why aren't you two ass clowns over there posting comments and protecting the man? <em>don't you love america</em>? southern man and dreamcursher,

while you guys are dicking around here playing with yourselves house minority leader john “bonie” boehner (r-oh) is getting his ass kicked at a tp post entitled:

Weepy Boehner breaks down again on House floor.

why aren’t you two ass clowns over there posting comments and protecting the man? don’t you love america?

]]> By: Jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157801 Jericho Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:33:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157801 There's no cleaner coal than no coal. Get some sun panels already. There’s no cleaner coal than no coal. Get some sun panels already.

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157718 freeman Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:35:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157718 Politics seeks to change the world by changing others . Spirituality places the responsibility on the individual . You and I are both the problem and the solution in this view. i AM responsible . Politics seeks to change the world by changing others . Spirituality places the responsibility on the individual . You and I are both the problem and the solution in this view.
i AM responsible .

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157716 freeman Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:31:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157716 Black and white it isn't but intention is key . I surely hope your right about our 2 party system but I feel my skepticism is not unwarranted and in either case I still believe action NOW in our own lives is a far more powerful thing than waiting for an answer from the lawyers in washington. Black and white it isn’t but intention is key . I surely hope your right about our 2 party system but I feel my skepticism is not unwarranted and in either case I still believe action NOW in our own lives is a far more powerful thing than waiting for an answer from the lawyers in washington.

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157712 freeman Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:27:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157712 oh I agree that there are differences but not in their coporate sponsors oh I agree that there are differences but not in their coporate sponsors

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157710 freeman Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:26:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157710 Remember the size and cost of the pocket calculator ? The batteries are still the weak point agreed but I'll dipute your figures on life and cost . Production of the energy acquired in a decentralized fashion through solar and wind have the same drawbacks ,the batteries ,admittedly. However ... a journey of a million miles begins with a single step . In the universe great acts are made up of small deeds. Remember the size and cost of the pocket calculator ?
The batteries are still the weak point agreed but I’ll dipute your figures on life and cost .
Production of the energy acquired in a decentralized fashion through solar and wind have the same drawbacks ,the batteries ,admittedly.
However …
a journey of a million miles begins with a single step .
In the universe great acts are made up of small deeds.

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157703 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:19:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157703 freeman: "stick to facts they should be all you need if you believe in the strength of your arguments..." says the phony who's selling the fact-free idea that there are no differences between Democrats and Republicans. freeman: “stick to facts they should be all you need if you believe in the strength of your arguments…”

says the phony who’s selling the fact-free idea that there are no differences between Democrats and Republicans.

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157428 impeachcheneythenbush Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:43:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157428 Amazing job on this thread by so many of you of providing great information on the current progress of so many forms of alternative energy. I was aware of some, but hardly all, of them. Thanks! Today, this website "Think Progress" has lived up 100% to what that means!!! Amazing job on this thread by so many of you of providing great information on the current progress of so many forms of alternative energy. I was aware of some, but hardly all, of them. Thanks! Today, this website “Think Progress” has lived up 100% to what that means!!!

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157422 impeachcheneythenbush Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:41:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157422 I guess the argument against a stopgap, is that it may be considered to be good enough and take momentum away from the research and investment in renewables. Why don’t I see more arguments for conservation here? Or is that so obvious that it doesn’t need to be stated? Comment by nanlichi — November 15, 2007 @ 3:05 pm I think that IS THE major argument about not encouraging it as a stopgap. As for conservation not being brought up, I think most of us already see that as a given. But acknowledge that conservation, alone, is not going to solve the problem. Obviously, there is no single "silver bullet" to kill the werewolf of global warming, but multiples of different options. All of these options are within our reach, if the will is there! I guess the argument against a stopgap, is that it may be considered to be good enough and take momentum away from the research and investment in renewables.

Why don’t I see more arguments for conservation here? Or is that so obvious that it doesn’t need to be stated?

Comment by nanlichi — November 15, 2007 @ 3:05 pm

I think that IS THE major argument about not encouraging it as a stopgap.

As for conservation not being brought up, I think most of us already see that as a given. But acknowledge that conservation, alone, is not going to solve the problem. Obviously, there is no single “silver bullet” to kill the werewolf of global warming, but multiples of different options. All of these options are within our reach, if the will is there!

]]> By: old_hack http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157421 old_hack Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:40:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157421 <strong>MIKE GRAVEL WILL BE HAVING ANOTHER ALT DEBATE RIGHT OUTSIDE THIS DEBATE STREAMED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH CNN'S tune in and watch him tear them apart as always but from across the street cuz they're all to corrupt and chicken shit to face him head on! http://www.gravel08.us</strong> MIKE GRAVEL WILL BE HAVING ANOTHER ALT DEBATE RIGHT OUTSIDE THIS DEBATE STREAMED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH CNN’S

tune in and watch him tear them apart as always but from across the street cuz they’re all to corrupt and chicken shit to face him head on!

http://www.gravel08.us

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157381 impeachcheneythenbush Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:11:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157381 Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — November 15, 2007 @ 1:08 pm I think one of the issues (other than the greed) stopping a ready adoptment of alternative energy is that it is and will not be for some time, "cheap." It will be more expensive until it's funded through investment, etc. adequately. I have a small retirement IRA, and every penny is invested in alternative energy stocks. I could have chosen to increase the value of my holdings tremendously if I have chosen to invest in oil and defense stocks. But I'm putting my money where my mouth is. The focus should be on that so-called "cheap" energy that is fossil-fuel based is NOT truly cheap, because of 1) the cost (both money and lives) of wars fought over control of it and 2) the environmental degradation and possible extinction of species it results in over time, including humans. Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — November 15, 2007 @ 1:08 pm

I think one of the issues (other than the greed) stopping a ready adoptment of alternative energy is that it is and will not be for some time, “cheap.” It will be more expensive until it’s funded through investment, etc. adequately. I have a small retirement IRA, and every penny is invested in alternative energy stocks. I could have chosen to increase the value of my holdings tremendously if I have chosen to invest in oil and defense stocks. But I’m putting my money where my mouth is.

The focus should be on that so-called “cheap” energy that is fossil-fuel based is NOT truly cheap, because of 1) the cost (both money and lives) of wars fought over control of it and 2) the environmental degradation and possible extinction of species it results in over time, including humans.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157371 Jay Randal Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:06:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157371 Coal is NOT a clean energy source. It's very dirty business to mine the coal and puts out pollution in burning the damn stuff too. Coal is NOT a clean energy source. It’s very dirty business to mine the coal and puts out pollution in burning the damn stuff too.

]]> By: nanlichi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-4157369 nanlichi Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:05:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157369 impeachcheneythenbush, Can't argue with you on any point. There is still CO2 emitted when the gas is burned, but only 1/4 of the amount currently emitted by pulverized coal combustion. But that would be a huge step in the right direction for an interim solution. "Mr. Peabody's coal train done hauled it away." Mountain top mining and valley fill should have been outlawed long ago. That destruction is sick. My point is that in addition to investing lots of money in small scale renewables (the number one priority) we need to push for clean coal as a stopgap. I guess the argument against a stopgap, is that it may be considered to be good enough and take momentum away from the research and investment in renewables. Why don't I see more arguments for conservation here? Or is that so obvious that it doesn't need to be stated? impeachcheneythenbush,

Can’t argue with you on any point. There is still CO2 emitted when the gas is burned, but only 1/4 of the amount currently emitted by pulverized coal combustion. But that would be a huge step in the right direction for an interim solution.

“Mr. Peabody’s coal train done hauled it away.” Mountain top mining and valley fill should have been outlawed long ago. That destruction is sick.

My point is that in addition to investing lots of money in small scale renewables (the number one priority) we need to push for clean coal as a stopgap.

I guess the argument against a stopgap, is that it may be considered to be good enough and take momentum away from the research and investment in renewables.

Why don’t I see more arguments for conservation here? Or is that so obvious that it doesn’t need to be stated?

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-4157349 tarazan Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157349 Wolf Blitzer is an AIPAC man....what do you expect from these debates anyway. How come in all these debates you don't hear a word about AIPAC influence and Necons,or about the PNAC plans for the Middle East. The moment television networks begin to ask questions AIPAC,Neocns,PNAC plans,then there is a hope..until then all these debates are nothing but an empty shows,regardless who the sponser is. Wolf Blitzer is an AIPAC man….what do you expect from these debates anyway.
How come in all these debates you don’t hear a word about AIPAC influence and Necons,or about the PNAC plans for the Middle East.

The moment television networks begin to ask questions AIPAC,Neocns,PNAC plans,then there is a hope..until then all these debates are nothing but an empty shows,regardless who the sponser is.

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-4157346 freeman Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:54:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157346 toast your my hero !Any other takers ? toast your my hero !Any other takers ?

]]> By: cage free brown http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-4157342 cage free brown Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:50:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157342 the point is that the debate has a furshlugginer SPONSOR! how lame is that? what's next? all the candidates in Nikes or eating Chiquita Bananas? League of Women Voters, come home! the point is that the debate has a furshlugginer SPONSOR!
how lame is that? what’s next? all the candidates in Nikes or eating Chiquita Bananas?

League of Women Voters, come home!

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-4157341 toasterhead Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:50:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/15/clean-coal-sponsors-debate/#comment-4157341 <i>Need a new car toast ? Comment by freeman — November 15, 2007 @ 2:41 pm</i> I use flexcar, but thank you! Speaking of interesting links - the Center for Global Development has put out an online database of power plants and companies around the world and their MWh generation vs. CO2 production: http://carma.org/dig/show/world+company Not surprisingly, three of the top five are in China. Need a new car toast ?

Comment by freeman — November 15, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

I use flexcar, but thank you!

Speaking of interesting links – the Center for Global Development has put out an online database of power plants and companies around the world and their MWh generation vs. CO2 production:

http://carma.org/dig/show/world+company

Not surprisingly, three of the top five are in China.

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