Three-Tour Iraq Vet: ‘Our Troops Need To Come Home Now’
Three-Tour Iraq Vet: ‘Our Troops Need To Come Home Now’
At tonight’s CNN Democratic debate, the candidates heard a strong warning against U.S. military action against Iran from Christopher Jackson, a Marine who served three tours of duty in Iraq:
I feel that if we continue on the path we’re at, that’s where we’re going to end up — in Iran. And that’s not what our troops need. Our troops need to come home now.
The entire audience, including the candidates, stood and gave Jackson a rousing ovation. Watch it:
Jackson’s mother, who was standing next to her son at the event, went on to say that after she “finally got her son home” from Iraq, “members of the Bush administration and neoconservative members of Congress are beating the drums of war again.”
She said her son is still a member of the Marines Individual Ready Reserve and could be called up again. She concluded by asking the candidates, “How are you going to show us your leadership on this issue now?”
UPDATE: Digby notes that the standing ovation came from the crowd after they learned of his service in Iraq. The crowd also separately applauded Jackson’s call to bring the troops home.
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To which they all answered:
“By continuing to fund Bush’s sandbox and to authorize him to invade Iran. Duh.”
November 15th, 2007 at 10:03 pm“How are you going to show us your leadership on this issue now?â€
Great Question. Because the top-tier candidates have said they are going to keep the war going tghrough 2013.
Stansing up and appluading is one thing. We need action, via leadership, to begin end this fiasco immediately, not in 1, 2, 5 or 15 years.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:04 pmA marine, three tours in Iraq, and saying the troops need to come home.
Obviously, he is an anti-American liberal plant, placed in deep cover, oh at least 15 years ago, by the Clinton-Soros Cabal just for this occasion.
I am sure Powerline and Rush will ferret out this traitor’s past quicker than you can say kerning.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:07 pmGreat Question. Because the top-tier candidates have said they are going to keep the war going tghrough 2013.
Comment by Dave de Give — November 15, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Bingo! Which candidate got the question and what did they say?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:09 pmRep. Kucinich and Gov. Richardson are showing the most leadership to completely end the debacle in Iraq. Sen. Clinton shows least leadership.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:10 pmGreat Question. Because the top-tier candidates have said they are going to keep the war going tghrough 2013. Comment by Dave de Give — November 15, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
That’s not true. I suggest you revisit their stances.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:13 pmBingo! Which candidate got the question and what did they say?
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Since when do you care about OUR nomination - republican troll?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:13 pmWhy do the troops hate the troops?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:18 pmMy local “Reich radio” host is already saying, “Marines should know when to just shut up”.
Of course he also thinks that, if elected, Hillary will confiscate his boat and truck. He’s on a par with our trolls.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:32 pmBTW, when did everbody forget what a “debate” is? I remember, not that long ago, when everyone got a crack at the same questions. This stuff is just bull-(Bleep!)
November 15th, 2007 at 10:36 pmWell, to answer his question: Clinton will be evasive, Obama won’t vote, Edwards will say anything and Kucinich will firmly state, and vote, to bring them home.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:38 pmThank you, Christoper Jackson, and his Mom!
May we hear much more from this thoughtful patriotic Iraq vet. His comments and assessment of Bush’s disastrous War are right on target.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pmWell, to answer his question: Clinton will be evasive, Obama won’t vote, Edwards will say anything and Kucinich will firmly state, and vote, to bring them home.
Comment by Theresa — November 15, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
So when Edwards says what you want, you say he says anything, but when Kucinich says it - he’s right? Wow, that’s sad.
Sorry, but while I agree with many stances of Kucinich, Edwards is in my opinion a better candidate. And unlike the Big-K, he has had the b@lls to actually admit that he was wrong in the past, and is capable of admitting that he was, and learning from them. The Big-K is just way to arrogant, and not nearly human enough for my taste. He smacks too much of Bush’s arrogant stubbornness, just in a liberal political version.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:46 pmOK folks, “usual leftist” has reappeared as “cold_hard_left”.
PLEASE ignore this Nazi azhzole-licker of MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
REAL leftists welcome INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE, not Rush “anal-cyst” talking points.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 15th, 2007 at 10:50 pmPoll:
Seven Democratic presidential hopefuls went head-to-head on the issues Thursday night, with the biggest pressure likely on front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Who do you think won the CNN News Las Vegas Democratic Debate at the University of Nevada?
———-> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=996
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November 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmIt’s AMAZING how someone who calls themself “Ususal Leftist†(now “cold_hard_left) sounds like a Nazi azzhole-licker of MURDERER Bush
the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
NOT like a leftist at all…
On a thread about Afghanistan on 7/12, I pointed out that the Bush family have been TREASONOUS to the USA for 70 years, and the Nazi
wrote: “Arn Gunnutes=douchieâ€. Note post 221:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 11/ 10/ deadliest-year-in-afghanistan/
So much for intelligent discourse, and DEFINITELY not how leftists behave, because we THRIVE on INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE.
Don’t even bother to answer the little Nazi azzhole-licker of the TREASONOUS Bush the AWOL coward TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmAnd the Republican noise machine will begin smearing Christopher Jackson any time now.
(I wonder what the smear artists will call him: “brainwashed”, “coward”, or the reichwingers’ all time favorite “America-hater”?)
The time for the US to end the occupation of Iraq is long overdue.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:02 pmThe WHOLE Bush Crime Family are TRAITORS to the USA, such as Granddady Prescott getting property seized by the US government
for TRADING WITH THE ENEMY (laundering Nazi money), Daddy Bush the CIA Don pardoning the Iran/Contra TRAITORS to protect HIS azz
and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan’s, and Junior for being a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA and a MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL.
Who needs to be WATERBOARDED in Gitmo until he DROPS DEAD and goes to meet his MASTER Satan.
Who will SMASH the PUNK’S face in EVERY SECOND for ETERNITY.
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
November 15th, 2007 at 11:11 pmThe troops have obviously failed.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 15, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
No sh$thead.
YOU failed.
The troops did just fine.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 15, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
B., we have had our differences.
The above may be the most powerful post I have read here.
I have never flagged anyone, but the comment by cold_hard_left —
who I have never heard of before, was obscene.
If that is a troll, B., then I am not one.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:24 pmIf that is a troll, B., then I am not one.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Yes it is, and yes, so are you!
November 15th, 2007 at 11:27 pmHOLY CRAP! I didn’t think you could fit so many straw men in so short a post!
November 15th, 2007 at 11:28 pmIt is like a Straw Army … or maybe a “StrArmy”.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:28 pmIf that is a troll, B., then I am not one.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Yes it is, and yes, so are you!
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 15, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
If THEY are trolls, B., then I am not.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:31 pmIf that is a troll, B., then I am not one.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Yep, that’s a troll. Perhaps THE troll. And, I agree, you aren’t one of them; though maybe you can understand the anger when certain shared ideas pop up?
G’night people.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:32 pmYou too trolls
Republicans have failed, on every level, but especially on national security. The funding for Bush’s little video game should be cut immediately, and the Secretarty of War should pull all troops out of Iraq today. That would give the USA half a chance of recovering its strength and worldwide image. Impeach, try and hang Bush and Cheney, and there’s the other half of regaining some respect.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:34 pmComment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
November 15th, 2007 at 11:38 pm====================================================
Personally, Ive never had an issue with you and certainly do not consider you to be anything like the psycho trolls. To me you’re an enigma.
If you really wanted to help the right, maybe you could show some cojones and stand up to idiots like UL and Rovian Stormtrooper. Be honest, don’t you believe those idiots make all conservatives look bad?
Where’s UL? this shows that the troops are already demoralized, by the republican “leadership”, and the slavery they’ve been subjected to, stop-loss, redeployment, etc. this proves how very wrong the right wing is about the war, the troops, everything.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:41 pmWhere’s UL?
I will bet my right nut that he is cold_hard_left
November 15th, 2007 at 11:44 pmanother phony soldier?
to trolls go. suck the cock of your nazi leader rush limbauh!
this is a brave american, he did not let a pimple on his ass keep him from joining the marines to serve his country.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmIf you really wanted to help the right, maybe you could show some cojones and stand up to idiots like UL and Rovian Stormtrooper. Be honest, don’t you believe those idiots make all conservatives look bad?
Comment by troll buster — November 15, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
OF COURSE I DO.
But I consider myself a guest here. For all I know, RHF and B. are the same person. They and LP seem pretty trollish to me, but who am I to say so here? I have criticized the trolls who resort to Bible quoting cause it is just too irrelevant to have to put up with.
And in fairness, I have gotten some supporting fire from people far to the left of me in response to some of the comments that clearly violate the rules of agreement, for which I am grateful.
My problem, Trollbuster, is I AM a troll to many and I can never tell if I am next on the censor list.
In the time it has taken me to write this I suspect there will have been some more violations of the no abuse rule, but then again, hope springs etearnal.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:48 pmWhere’s UL?
I will bet my right nut that he is cold_hard_left
Comment by troll buster — November 15, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
he tries so hard. and like gw, he fails.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:48 pmmost of the more insane trolls are not conservatives at all, but scared little bushbots, convinced that the best way to fight terrorism is to allow terrorists to successfyully attack the homeland, then go on vacation. the real conservatives, like keltoi, are merely misled, misguided and not very bright, but they don’t hate Americans like the bushbots do. how many soldiers andmarines have to step forward to let us know how badly things are going over there? how much proof of bush’s incompetence and bloodlust do we need before we all say “enough”?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pmbtw, where is Where’s UL (cold_hard_left)?
watching another dogggy-on-man republikan porno video again?
chl, your thoughts?
eh?
(i just insulted your mother, i think you’d want to respond, eh?)
November 15th, 2007 at 11:52 pmBut I consider myself a guest here. For all I know, RHF and B. are the same person. They and LP seem pretty trollish to me, but who am I to say so here? I have criticized the trolls who resort to Bible quoting cause it is just too irrelevant to have to put up with. Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Oh, and KMA stupid troll, for all we know, you are the same troll as your fellow trolls.
And in fairness, I have gotten some supporting fire from people far to the left of me in response to some of the comments that clearly violate the rules of agreement, for which I am grateful. Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Once again, KMA troll.
My problem, Trollbuster, is I AM a troll to many and I can never tell if I am next on the censor list. Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
You are a troll to many, because your posts typically contain trollish things. Period!
In the time it has taken me to write this I suspect there will have been some more violations of the no abuse rule, but then again, hope springs etearnal.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Blah, Blah, Blah, the reality is that you post crap OFTEN, and it’s clear you often have no intention honestly and reasonably either debate, discuss or understand how stupid your posts are. That’s abusive to the INTENT of this blog - and if you can’t handle someone pointing out your posts are stupid, then you haven’t been paying attention for very long - in the real world or here!
November 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pmIf you really wanted to help the right, maybe you could show some cojones and stand up to idiots like UL and Rovian Stormtrooper. Be honest, don’t you believe those idiots make all conservatives look bad?
Comment by troll buster — November 15, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
OF COURSE I DO.
me too.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmchl? chl?
hmm?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:56 pmch,l if you don’t respond soon people will think you’re a fake, a phony, a male hustler…
chl?
chl?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pmPete #11
I, too, am disappointed in these debates, their formats, and that there are too many stupid - instead of substantive - questions.
When candidates do have an opportunity for a little debate, they are cut short.
Perhaps when it finally boils down to two candidates, we will get a real debate.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:00 amKeltoi IS cold_hard_left.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 15, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Actually, there are only 10 people in here and there have never been anymore. Most of us have adopted 20 screen names. One of us works for the G. The others represent various factions that would earn you a base card in the card game of Iluminati, a must play if you have never tried it.
In other words, jeeesh.
Tell you what, B., I will never impugn your screen identity again if you will promise to do the same. I will assume you are one person voicing their opinion and debate it on the merits of the argument. Deal?
November 16th, 2007 at 12:00 am“But I consider myself a guest here. For all I know, RHF and B. are the same person. They and LP seem pretty trollish to me, but who am I to say so here?”
November 16th, 2007 at 12:04 amComment by Keltoi at Night
I’m only a guest here too and have attempted to make a token effort to help clean up the mess the trolls have made. If you did “say so here,”, you might earn some respect. It’s not an issue of right versus left, it’s more a case of right versus wrong.
… have attempted to make a token effort to help clean up the mess the trolls have made…
Comment by troll buster — November 16, 2007 @ 12:04 am
they haven’t make a mess. they have proved our point; christopher jackson is a hero.
rush has sex with littel boys.
right chl?
November 16th, 2007 at 12:08 amTell you what, B., I will never impugn your screen identity again if you will promise to do the same. I will assume you are one person voicing their opinion and debate it on the merits of the argument. Deal?
Comment by Keltoi at Night — November 16, 2007 @ 12:00 am
BAHAHA, so that’s how you roll? You act like an @ss, and then say you’ll stop if everyone doesn’t point out anymore that you’re probably the same troll you criticized? PUHLEASE! Why don’t you take this deal. Why don’t you STFU until you have something USEFUL to post? That should take FOREVER - TROLL!
November 16th, 2007 at 12:10 amUm, point of order. The standing ovation was a prefunctory one for his ’service’, not as this post states in reaction to his statement of concern about war with Iran.
It’s far less dramatic, but it happens to be the truth. It’s the Republicans that lie to support their point of view. Let’s keep it that way.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amIt’s not an issue of right versus left, it’s more a case of right versus wrong.
Comment by troll buster — November 16, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Unfortunately for the right, that tends to be the same thing! The right= The wrong!
November 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amOf course he also thinks that, if elected, Hillary will confiscate his boat and truck.
Comment by pete
LMAO!!!
On topic: If I’m not mistaken, all Dem candidates will answer whatever sounds reasonable, stable, appropiate and politically correct in order NOT to enrage our little alter-egos dancing around asking for violence, with the exception of Kucinich.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amIt’s far less dramatic, but it happens to be the truth. It’s the Republicans that lie to support their point of view. Let’s keep it that way.
Comment by mikesilva — November 16, 2007 @ 12:11 am
when the republikans speak, they lie.
right chl?
November 16th, 2007 at 12:12 amAnd for me, thats all I need to know to know that he’s a full fledged inbred neocon troll.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 16, 2007 @ 12:12 am
keltoi, your thoughts?
November 16th, 2007 at 12:14 am“Um, point of order.”
Comment by mikesilva — November 16, 2007 @ 12:11 am
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I haven’t heard that since my last battalion Christmas party. Are you ex-Army?
November 16th, 2007 at 12:15 amkeltoi?
keltoi?
keltoi?
(the trolls just keep giving up and leaving, why?)
November 16th, 2007 at 12:15 am“Unfortunately however, we’re apparently not big enough to admit when we’re wrong.”
Exactly!
November 16th, 2007 at 12:17 amAs wrong as we see Keltoi’s opinion…I have engaged him in some occasion, he still seems to be open to debate which is very good in the light of some other posters contributing nothing to threads.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amkeltoi?
(the trolls just keep giving up and leaving, why?)
Comment by joe cantwell — November 16, 2007 @ 12:15 am
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I don’t consider keltoi, michael, or exley trolls. I have had intelligent, rational debate with al three of them, and I think I may have even won exley over a little on the whole Guantanamo thing. Now, Rovian Stormtrooper Commando, cold hard left, Mr. P, and especially Jake (Hits), those are trolls. To me a troll has nothing to offer, and is only here to disrupt and bait. But keltoi I have debated with. He has an opposite point of view, but he is no troll.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:20 amWell I’ve “engaged†Keltoi too Jaun.
And nothing you could say could convince me that he’s anything more than a lying, sneaking neocon troll.
Incognito.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 16, 2007 @ 12:21 am
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I disagree. Compare keltoi, albeit very different point of view, to an idiot like Jake. Now, Jake is a troll, in every sense of the word. Him and Mr. P are TRUE trolls. But keltoi is just a person with a different pont of view. I disagree with him on almost everything, but he is no troll.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:23 amChris L, those are ignorant people, not trolls. From my POV.
Bart, maybe you are right, but taking sh*t by a whole room of bloggers with some resemblance of debate, is a virtue, taking in comparison trolls and even some other bloggers.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:24 amChris L, those are ignorant people, not trolls. From my POV.
Comment by Juan C. — November 16, 2007 @ 12:24 am
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Agreed.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:26 amBart, maybe you are right, but taking sh*t by a whole room of bloggers with some resemblance of debate, is a virtue, taking in comparison trolls and even some other bloggers.
Comment by Juan C. — November 16, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Recommend (1)
You did that, right Keltoi?
Heh.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:28 amBack on topic, then I have to go turn in for the night. I agree with Jackson. It is long past the point where our troops need to come home. I am part of an OIF/OEF veterans group (all Iraq/Afghanistan vets) that meets on Tuesday nights for group PTSD sessions at the VA. Most every vet I talk to says we need to bring the troops home. If you notice, the only Iraq war vet serving in congress is a democrat. Good night everyone.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:32 amComment by Keltoi at Night — November 16, 2007 @ 12:00 am
one thing we can all agree on is this:
none of the trolls have chosen to defend house minority leader john “bone-eee” boehner (r-oh).
and i find that sad.
btw, he’s called “bone-eee” because he suffers from republican priapism. that’s why he cries all the time.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:34 amHow any normal person, could believe that because Bin Laden and some Al Quaida terrorists attacked the US and killed a lot of innocent people, our response should be that we attack some OTHER country, and kill a lot of their innocent people, is beyond me.
But its not beyond Keltoi.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
They are misled. They are being bombed the whole day with shock local news instead of insightful politicial and economical analysis or there is NONE, NADA, NOTHING, ZERO coverage of international news, so you get only one opinion and you start thinking: mmm…yeah, those peasants from Nicaragua are only three days from Texas, or oh, there is some big revolution going in Granade, let’s invade; or mmm… maybe there ARE some WMDs in Baghdad after 10 years of US illegal bombings .
I try to think they are not bad people, just misled for economic purposes, of course.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:41 amNot that one more voice matters much, but I am another OIF Veteran and I agree that we need to bring the troops home - not just for the troops, but for this country. All my friends, one of which is deploying for his third time as well as one that I am coming on the 1 year anniversary of his funeral, agree.
I respect all of my fellow veterans, even those that support this war; however, I don’t think there are many of them. I would gladly have a civil debate with anyone who thinks otherwise. The facts just don’t support the necessity of having our brave men and women in uniform giving their lives and the US squandering all credibility and the country’s future.
Here are the facts as described by ALL of our intelligence agencies:
1. We are less safe
2. We are creating more enemies
3. The Middle East is less stable due to our presence
4. We are losing friends and allies
5. Iraq is not, nor ever was a threat
6. Iraq/Saddam never had a relationship with Al Qaeda
Soooooo…why should we be spilling more blood there?
November 16th, 2007 at 12:48 amBart, maybe you are right, but taking sh*t by a whole room of bloggers with some resemblance of debate, is a virtue, taking in comparison trolls and even some other bloggers.
Comment by Juan C. — November 16, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Recommend (1)
You did that, right Keltoi?
Heh.
Comment by Juan C. — November 16, 2007 @ 12:28 am
Nope. I have never flagged or recommended anyone. I came close a couple times but decided it was too much like a high school ASB electicon.
And again - I am a guest here. Out of town, you might say.
I don’t disappear when the Iraq question arises, but as I have said before, the evenings are tougher for me to post to. And the causus belli debate is now beyond irrelevant.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:51 amAnd you’ll notice he, or someone like him is always around when a troll is in trouble, and when the “bad cop†routine won’t work.
Thats because he’s playing both roles.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:53 amComment by BARTLEBEE — November 16, 2007 @ 12:25 am
I had that feeling too but dismissed it because it seemed to obvious. Maybe it would be prudent to look at a few of the older threads and see if that makes sense.
keltoi?
keltoi?
keltoi?
(the trolls just keep giving up and leaving, why?)
Comment by joe cantwell — November 16, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Why? I thought it might be good to pay some attention to my family.
November 16th, 2007 at 12:54 amKeltoi at Night
I appologise if I have mischaracterised you, but please don’t judge the left’s stance based on the fact that some leftwingers have, via years of being turned into the conservative movement’s scape goats, met you with snarls when you rejected that statement.
I respect your wish to distance yourself from the statement, and I do not class you in with the person who made it, that said the distance between the right and the left, between what I see as good and evil, has grown too wide for it to be easy to remove one’s emotions from the debate.
In a day and age when the rightwing has made torture a debateable issue, where America invades countries for being of roughly the same racial stock as your enemies, where the economic rule of the land is to run up the national credit card and hope nobody decides to collect on the debt, passions run high and the divide becomes almost too wide, and too deep to be crossed.
For six years, the Republicans controlled America. They had all three houses, and all three houses cooperated to deliver what you have today, five of the worst non-inflation adjusted deficits in America’s history, doubling America’s debt, two wars, 9/11, Katrina and an image of America normally reserved for America’s worst enemies.
And it wasn’t just Bush. It was conservatism, the actual idealisation of hypocrisy, lying, greed and the general fouling of humanity. The ideal that calls helping people “Socialist” and denies the citizenship of its opponents.
So please, understand why passions run high when you speak like a conservative, because of what conservatism has become.
November 16th, 2007 at 6:13 amBruce Gorton — November 16, 2007 @ 6:13 am,
Hear, hear!
November 16th, 2007 at 8:47 am[ ..”How are you going to show us leadership on this issue”?…]
Don’t expct too much; both parties take orders from AIPAC. Whether presidential victory went to Giuliani or Hillary makes it makes no difference. The last vote by Democrats to confirm M. Mukasey shows who runs the show.
November 16th, 2007 at 8:56 amThe Bush administration are traversing the Path of the Righteous Ones…
Shoot ‘em up good!
November 16th, 2007 at 9:00 amThe elite classes in journalism,television and political arenas can afford this war and any coming war…because the elite don’t have to fight it..
they don’t have to send their kids to die or get injured…and they don’t have to pay for it.
It is like health cost…the elite class are all covered…the ones are not covered are the working class.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:04 amThe working class will fincance and fight wars…The burden of all of this is on the shoulders of working class. Politicians and journalsits don’t fight wars…they talk about them.
Phenomenal post!! I am glad someone can articulate it so well!!
November 16th, 2007 at 9:16 amSo please, understand why passions run high when you speak like a conservative, because of what conservatism has become.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 16, 2007 @ 6:13 am
Well said!
And I second the notion that Keltoi is not a troll, in my experience. He’s brought up some interesting points and injected different perspectives into debates, without resorting to talking-point catchphrases. Posters like that give me hope that there can be some common ground between progressives and conservatives, even if it’s just an agreement to disagree.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:23 amThis was hilarious! The thought that libs care about our troops is really laughable! Nice try!
November 16th, 2007 at 9:25 amThe WHOLE Bush Crime Family are TRAITORS to the USA, such as Granddady Prescott getting property seized by the US government
for TRADING WITH THE ENEMY (laundering Nazi money), Daddy Bush the CIA Don pardoning the Iran/Contra TRAITORS to protect HIS azz
and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan’s, and Junior for being a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA and a MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL.
Who needs to be WATERBOARDED in Gitmo until he DROPS DEAD and goes to meet his MASTER Satan.
Who will SMASH the PUNK’S face in EVERY SECOND for ETERNITY.
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
Hilarious!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 16th, 2007 at 9:33 amComment by John Kerry —
Poor Mr. P. He can only post when the self-hate reaches a certain toxic level. It’s evident in every post that drips off his keyboard.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:34 amWhy doesn’t CNN have questioners such as this Iraq vet prominently featured in the Republican debates?
November 16th, 2007 at 9:40 amOr maybe one with no arm or a disfigured face asking the murderous thieving GOP candidates what they’re doing to stop the mayhem and theft.
At the GOP debates they need to ask Mitt Romney about his REGRESSIVE health insurance mandate he pushed through in Massachussetts. The very same policy the GOP and its MSM cronies are shoving down the throats of Californians at this very moment…
Great Question. Because the top-tier candidates have said they are going to keep the war going tghrough 2013.
Comment by Dave de Give
It is bad enough when the trolls push misinformation here, but when we do it too (unless you really are a troll), we are only forming a circular firing squad.
None of the candidates have said they are “going to keep the war going through 2012″. A couple have said that they may keep some troops in Iraq to protect American citizens still there, but all have said they would bring combat troops home.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:45 amCare to elaborate John K.? Or just a hit and run?
Great posts from so many posters stating their support for the troops. Also great posts to define the frustration with Conservatism.
I have always supported the troops. They were my first concern when the war drums against Iraq were first beating. There was never a concern on if we would be successful in beating a 3rd world military. But there was a great concern about putting our troops in harm’s way. I wanted to believe that Bush was right, that there was this connection between Iraq and AQ, that there were active WMD operations, that a nuclear program was being conducted in Iraq but none of this came to be true. And the soldiers paid the highest price for this.
Reading more and finding that the planning for after the initial invasion was practically non existent. Being a Bush supporter was the criteria for the staff of Brehmer. Trying to “win” on the cheap was not the right way to control Iraq but Bush kept going forward. And the soldiers continued to pay the highest price.
inadequate equipment, supplies and logistics further hurt the soldiers. Stop loss orders and extended tours in theater hurt the soldiers. All of this and more was done at the hand of this president, his administration and the republican held house and senate. And the soldiers continued to pay the highest price.
I have always supported the troops. So much so that I decided to speak out against the handling of this conflict. We have the greatest fighting force the world has ever seen. We have the worst direction this country has ever seen.
I don’t care if someone doesn’t believe I support the troops. I do care if they are spreading lies about my support of the troops.
You John K. are a liar.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:47 amThis was hilarious! The thought that libs care about our troops is really laughable! Nice try!
Comment by John Kerry
So, loon, when was the last time the Republicans did anything to help the troops? Have they signed on to laws that say our troops must be properly equipped, rested and trained? I thought not. Have they signed on to legislation to give our troops better medical care and a decent raise? I thought not.
So, loon, what exactly have the Republicans (and Bush) done to support our troops?
November 16th, 2007 at 9:47 amJohn Kerry
I imagine the concept of caring about anybody or anything other then yourself must be quite novel to you Mr P. How sad your hollow existance must be.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:55 amRush Limpdick will denounce this vet as a “phoney soldier” in 3…2…1…
November 16th, 2007 at 10:01 amRemove Bush; I am a vet and definitely NOT a Repub. I voted for Kerry.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:12 amMalkin will be stalking his home by this evening.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:49 amthe john kerry troll is a fake. a lefty posing as a crazed wingnut, to destroy troll credibility even further, like bigfoot is. unnecessarym since we already know that wingnuts have no concept of reality, but reacting to john kerry is a useless exercise.
November 16th, 2007 at 11:02 amLefty Patriot, I agree but it gave me a chance to define my frustration with this administration.
November 16th, 2007 at 11:19 amI’m not a big fan of Hillary, but I went to her site because I keep hearing that she’s dodging this question.
On here site this question is actually answered, and her answer sounds pretty good to me.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/
Now, if she just folllows through on her promise…
November 16th, 2007 at 12:34 pmLefty Patriot
Nope. If you ever go an read rightwing blogs Mr P is pretty representative of their level.
DigDug
Hillary’s problem isn’t what she says, its what she does. When it comes to Iraq, she sort of claimed to have made a mistake, and then proceded to do exactly the same thing with Iran, when the senate voted on whether to declare Iran’s lawfully constituted military a terrorist organisation.
Ever since that vote voters who have noted that this is a serious and important issue, have been accused of being propagandist for the white house by Hillary Clinton. She hasn’t answered the question she has ducked the question and attacked the questioner because it speaks directly to what kind of a candidate she is.
If you want another 4 years under a Bush presidency vote Clinton, because she is not going to admit a mistake and she is not going to learn from them. You might get slightly better book-keeping, but you are not going to get out of the Middle East and you are not going to get peace.
In the most recent Democrat debates, for all of Hillary’s attempts at defending herself for sheer substance, she didn’t show any. That question about Iran is not getting asked repeatedly because someone’s out to get her, its getting asked repeatedly because it is an important question.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:19 am