Largest troop presence yet in Iraq this week.
By on Nov 15th, 2007 at 10:03 am
Largest troop presence yet in Iraq this week.
“As units that are rotating in and out overlap briefly” this week in Iraq, “the U.S. troop number will hit 175,000 — the largest presence so far in the 4 1/2 -year war.” Those numbers will come down, however, in the next “several months.”
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no need to worry about all the soldiers, just keep making the equivalent of of american billionaires out of sunni chieftans and you'll get the best peace money can buy...at least till the money runs out..
November 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amthe never-ending, never-winning surge goes on and on, and 2007 marks the most American troop deaths so far. way to win, GOP traitors!
November 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amTroop presence will come down in the next several months as more of our entrapped, lied-to national guardsmen are murdered by the Bush administration. they are more efficient at killing our troops than the enemy.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:13 amThrow in at least 40K special forces and 100K mercenaries, and it is over 300K.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:20 amThrow in at least 40K special forces and 100K mercenaries, and it is over 300K.
Comment by VerbalKint — November 15, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Still 200K fewer than the generals called for at the beginning, if we were to "win", which Bushco has no interest in.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:30 ambut, wait, didn't I see somewhere in the left wing media that W has already started bringing troops home? Where was that, the WaPo I believe.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:31 amSo, how can it be then that for the next several months (the Holiday Season no less) our troop levels will be at their highest since the war began?
Almost a year to the day the Democrats swept Republicans out of Congress.
Submission accomplished.
Thanks Harry and Nancy, way to bring about change.
-GSD
November 15th, 2007 at 10:33 amThanks Harry and Nancy, way to bring about change.
-GSD
With feinstein and schumer in there pitching for the repugs who needs more enemies.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:39 amMore willing suspension of disbelief, ala Hillary.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:35 am
funny how all of those generals were fired, and we are left with the dregs, the submissive politicians like betrayus, and are still losing to a bunch of disorganized rebels who are buiding their own weapons when not supplied with ours by the DOD hacks.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:41 am>Ohhhhh, you wanted to listen to the generals back then, just not now.
Oh im listening now, and Im wondering why General Sanchez is being such a party pooper and deciding that now, when everything is supposedly going so well, he's decided to call iraq a "nightmare" and the surge a "desparate ploy".
November 15th, 2007 at 10:46 amThe guys got his own baggage, but needless to say, as a soldier with experience in iraq, his current pessimism is pretty difficult to explain in the light of supposedly what magic we're working over there at the moment.
Sanchez and Betrayus are singing very different tunes.. to be honest, my gut is going to go with the person who isnt getting paid to sing his song...
Lefty - Good idea, let's bring back what's-her-name, the one who had oversight for Abu Grhaib - she was a true leader !
Your Betrayus comment is indicative of the fact you have little if any knowledge on the subject, other than what is spoon fed by the folks who spew your choice of venom.
BTW - did you hear that there were more soldiers killed in peace-time due to training, etc accidents than in Iraq AND Afghanistan combined. Were you just not interested when they were dying on base as opposed to Iraq ??
November 15th, 2007 at 10:50 amFunny that you should continue to refer to a highly educated and experienced general as “Betrayusâ€; that whole “libs love the troops too†thing just flew out the window along with your credibility.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:48 am
All Iraqis call him "Betrayus." They don't have the letter P in Arabic. We're just being culturally-sensitive, that's all.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:51 amChocolate Jesus, nice answer.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:52 amFunny that you should continue to refer to a highly educated and experienced general as “Betrayusâ€; that whole “libs love the troops too†thing just flew out the window along with your credibility.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:48 am
generals are by their very nature neither highly educated or experienced - if they were they d be in the private sector.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:53 amWhy didn't Bush take out Bin Laden when he had the chance?
Is it because he would miss holding hands with Saudi royalty?
Is it because Daddy's too deep up the Saudi collective orifice?
Is it because he could no longer justify sending young Americans to death?
Is it because he's chickenshit?
Is it because Cheney wouldn't approve it?
Or, is it because he's just not capable of doing the right thing?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:53 am"my gut is going to go with the person who isnt getting paid to sing his song…"
That would be Gen'l Patreaus, right. He just makes crappy army money, Sanchez is a big time correspondent and I'm sure has a mega-book deal in the works. Who stands to make more $$, the guy who writes about what an idiot the President is, or the one who takes shots for telling us that we are making progress...
....just like our fearless CIA director who couldn't be bothered to tell anyone about the problems until he got canned and got a big book deal.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:53 amBetrayus is your tool, and your defense of such a suckup and hypocrite is not surprising. here's a guy that won't even follow the guidelines he wrote IN HIS OWN BOOK! He's a traitor, and a mass-murderer in the same mold as the cowardly Deserter-In-Chief and 5-deferment Dick. And he's all you losers have left; what a shitstain on America you and they are.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:54 amBTW - did you hear that there were more soldiers killed in peace-time due to training, etc accidents than in Iraq AND Afghanistan combined. Were you just not interested when they were dying on base as opposed to Iraq ??
have you been looking at the suicide numbers?
Peacetime losses are peacetime losses, hard to say they arent worth while deats. Losing lives in a war that NEVER had to be fought is tragic, and stupid. par for the course for chimpy.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:54 amBTW - did you hear that there were more soldiers killed in peace-time due to training, etc accidents than in Iraq AND Afghanistan combined. Were you just not interested when they were dying on base as opposed to Iraq ??
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 10:50 am
wow, you can concoct lies as well as Bush does. Congratulations on being a willing tool of traitors! Your folks must be very proud!
November 15th, 2007 at 10:56 am"generals are by their very nature neither highly educated or experienced - if they were they d be in the private sector.
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 10:53 am"
C'mon Rovian, you know only stupid, uneducated, desparate folks join the military. It's all those private sector folks hiding under their desks every time a fire cracker goes off that we need to listen to...
November 15th, 2007 at 10:57 am>Funny that you should continue to refer to a highly educated and >experienced general as “Betrayusâ€;
Well he's consorting with a man named Chalabi convicted of fraud, who fed us false information which led to war. You think supporting and fraternizing with people who fraudulently led us to war on false pretenses isnt a betrayal of a countries people and their trust? Chalabi has close to zero popular support, so there must be some other reasons he's cosying up to the man other than an effort to muster support with the iraqi people..
November 15th, 2007 at 10:57 am"BTW - did you hear that there were more soldiers killed in peace-time due to training, etc accidents than in Iraq AND Afghanistan combined. Were you just not interested when they were dying on base as opposed to Iraq ??"
Comment by pab-o
Tell that to their families, I bet it will make them put these things in perspective - and those training deaths can mostly be attributed to gung-ho instructors who didn't properly ccess the situation before ordering their troops to complete the assigned task. Just like their commander-in-chief.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:57 amBarack Obama put his political career on the line in 2002 to speak out against a "dumb war" and "a rash war" in Iraq. He warned of, "an occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined costs, with undetermined consequences." Read this speech - he got it right.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-mcpeak/obama-was-right-on-the-wa_b_72692.html
by general McPeak
November 15th, 2007 at 10:58 am….just like our fearless CIA director who couldn’t be bothered to tell anyone about the problems until he got canned and got a big book deal.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Nice excuses, pab, you really have no concept of how Bushco operates. And all of these books-writers are merely following the Bushco lead: money first, country second. Leadership, an all. Go back to worshipping Bin Laden, you ignorant tool.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:58 am"It’s all those private sector folks hiding under their desks every time a fire cracker goes off that we need to listen to…"
Comment by pab-o —
I guess the WMD bedwetter doesn't understand the concept of irony.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:59 am“generals are by their very nature neither highly educated or experienced - if they were they d be in the private sector.
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 10:53 amâ€
C’mon Rovian, you know only stupid, uneducated, desparate folks join the military. It’s all those private sector folks hiding under their desks every time a fire cracker goes off that we need to listen to…
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 10:57 am
funny that you shoudl bring up george and dick now.....
November 15th, 2007 at 10:59 amand btw - im anyhting but rovian.
>and I’m sure has a mega-book deal in the works.
got any support for that speculation other than your own desparate need to disregard what he said?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:59 amWe've had more war related suicide casualties than the total 'in-country' casualties. Something like 2,600 in '05 alone.
Does Bush ban cameras from soldiers' suicide funerals, too?
Bush's 'Support our Troops' mantra apparently only applies to combat.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:59 am"wow, you can concoct lies as well as Bush does. Congratulations on being a willing tool of traitors! Your folks must be very proud!
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 10:56 am"
Congressional Office Report (dems control congress right ??)
get some facts, I did.
"what a shitstain on America you and they are.."
You sound just like ourt founding patriots Lefty - you need to cut down on the caffeine and start treatign other who don't think like you with a little more class.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:00 am“It’s all those private sector folks hiding under their desks every time a fire cracker goes off that we need to listen to…â€
Comment by pab-o —
I guess the WMD bedwetter doesn’t understand the concept of irony.
Comment by barfly — November 15, 2007 @ 10:59 am
for most fo them if its not in the bible they have little exposure - so cut him a break on this one.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:00 amBush’s ‘Support our Troops’ mantra apparently only applies to combat.
Comment by Zimzone — November 15, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Well, he certainly didn't support them with equipment and food. Maybe he should send tham all Chinese ribbons for their unarmored humvees.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:01 am>That would be Gen’l Patreaus, right. He just makes crappy army money
you engage in wild speculation that Sanchez made the statement to sell some hypothetical book me might, maybe be releasing years from now, but yet you wont engage in any speculation that perphaps that because of his loyalty to the cause, Betrayus has some nice consulating cushy job lined up when he retires?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:02 am"Tell that to their families, I bet it will make them put these things in perspective - and those training deaths can mostly be attributed to gung-ho instructors who didn’t properly ccess the situation before ordering their troops to complete the assigned task. Just like their commander-in-chief.
Comment by barfly — November 15, 2007 @ 10:57 am"
no - mostly car accidents from what I read.
what an ignorant comment to make, by the way.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:02 amBush’s ‘Support our Troops’ mantra apparently only applies to combat.
Comment by Zimzone — November 15, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Well, he certainly didn’t support them with equipment and food. Maybe he should send tham all Chinese ribbons for their unarmored humvees.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 11:01 am
or those little juice boxes my daughter is so fond of...instead of that halliburton water.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:02 amwhat an ignorant comment to make, by the way.
Comment by pab-o
Coming from you, that must be a complement. Thanks.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:03 am"Nice excuses, pab, you really have no concept of how Bushco operates. And all of these books-writers are merely following the Bushco lead: money first, country second. Leadership, an all. Go back to worshipping Bin Laden, you ignorant tool.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 10:58 am"
Clinton appointee - I guess Bush just "won him over" right.
man, debating with you isn't even any fun. Let's gets some facts worked in.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:04 amstart treatign other who don’t think like you with a little more class.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:00 am
I don't think it's necessary to treat you cowardly traitors with anything but contempt. You don't think at all,you just follow the blatherings ofa sociopathic coward who deserted his post during the last undeclared war the poor fought for the rich. As of 9/11/01, Bush and any of his supporters have failed America, as far as I'm concerned, and your fearful ignorance wins no points.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:05 amDoes Bush ban cameras from soldiers’ suicide funerals, too?
Bush’s ‘Support our Troops’ mantra apparently only applies to combat.
Comment by Zimzone — November 15, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Well, that's the conservative way, isn't it? Support people as long as they're politically useful, then dump them.
They support fetuses while they're in the womb, then dump them as soon as they're born and need health care.
They support the troops while they're fighting (though not necessarily with things like body armor and R&R), then dump them at Walter Reed and when they're suffering from PTSD.
They support the 9/11 recovery workers when they're at Ground Zero, but dump them when they start suffering illness from the toxins they breathed.
They support the hurricane survivors for a photo-op, then dump them as soon as they realize they can shift NOLA's voting demographic.
They support democratic principles in the Middle East, then dump the countries who don't vote for who we like.
Support from this administration is fleeting indeed!
November 15th, 2007 at 11:05 amI would say that having a PhD from Princeton along with other degrees and having almost thirty years of army experience (including Rangers and Master Parachutist) qualify for the term “highly educated and experiencedâ€.
All the more shameful for his having turned against the American people and sold out to Bushco. Betrayus is the perfect handle for such a defective creep.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:06 amgenerals are by their very nature neither highly educated or experienced - if they were they d be in the private sector.
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 10:53 am
I would say that having a PhD from Princeton along with other degrees and having almost thirty years of army experience (including Rangers and Master Parachutist) qualify for the term “highly educated and experiencedâ€.
Is it only in the private sector that a person can get experience or education? Huh.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Its a direct reference to the DOZEN generals that QUIT rather than do what CHIMPY wanted them to do: LIE and betray.
And considering the comments line soldiers reserve for a generals backside, yeah, the stupid ones stay in.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:08 amok lefty, your right. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot.
Wait, didn't you say that about Bush ? Hey, you guys are a lot alike !
November 15th, 2007 at 11:09 amOdd too that you would participate in the same behavior you find so offensive in others. I guess you just don’t like what Petreaus has has to say, huh?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:07 am
ah - projection. my behaviour is horrible but you do it too so I am okay. go f yourself .
November 15th, 2007 at 11:09 am>I would say that having a PhD from Princeton
Dude.. Gonzo has a Juris Doctorate from Harvard....if he isnt rabidly dishonest, like you people insist he isnt, he's got one of the worst memories ever, especially in a professional in which memory and recall is very important, I daresay essential... So no, a bunch of fancy degrees from a bunch of fancy schools doesnt make you any more honest, or frankly, even intelligent than anyone else. It is persuasive proof of intelligence, to be sure, but its far from conslusive, and it has absolutely NO bearing on deceney or integrity!
November 15th, 2007 at 11:10 amC’mon Rovian, you know only stupid, uneducated, desparate folks join the military. It’s all those private sector folks hiding under their desks every time a fire cracker goes off that we need to listen to…
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 10:57 am
And where are you typing this from? You mom's basement, thought so
November 15th, 2007 at 11:10 amRSC - these folks would have been fun to watch in action in Philly a couple hundred years ago.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:10 amNOTE: This is all "pre-surge" and before the '06 election. It continues to this day.
HOW THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTS TROOPS,
1: Falling recruitment/retention and relaxing of standards for military service. Not to mention casualties.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:11 am2: Reduced orders for: F-22, F-35, Assorted tanks, armored vehicles and ships.
3: Remanufactured worn M16's in lieu of new rifles.
4: Cancellation of contracts for next generation personal weapons; wasting, in effect, the R&D costs.
5: Transfer of equipment from training facilities to overseas deployments.
6: Postponing the retirement of obsolete equipment; from B-52's to tents.
7: Exhausting Reserve and National Guard units in combat operations.
8: Accelerated training in all branches of the military resulting in a “training gap†between veteran soldiers and new recruits.
9: Expending big buck “smart munitions†on targets with little, or no, strategic importance.
10: Increased security at foreign bases to prevent retaliatory attacks.
11: Extending combat deployments to the point where the effectiveness of troops is compromised.
12: No bid contracts for mercenaries/contractors while the military scrambles to equip troops.
13: Firing senior officers who dare speak the truth.
"And where are you typing this from? You mom’s basement, thought so
Comment by Blue Stater — November 15, 2007 @ 11:10 am"
uh, no. But thanks for asking.
stimulating response btw.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amWait, didn’t you say that about Bush ? Hey, you guys are a lot alike !
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Actually, I just pointed out that you are unable to think for yourself. I guess that was unnecessary, as you've proven repeatedly.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amC’mon Rovian, you know only stupid, uneducated, desparate folks join the military. It’s all those private sector folks hiding under their desks every time a fire cracker goes off that we need to listen to…
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 10:57 am
And where are you typing this from? You mom’s basement, thought so
Comment by Blue Stater — November 15, 2007 @ 11:10 am
I work for a living. I'm ona beach being by a brazilian hottie. Just bcuz i make porn you dont have to hate me.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amI left a word out soi woudlnt be censored
November 15th, 2007 at 11:12 amyou can't even make sense lefty - make this a challenge at least.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:13 amRSC - these folks would have been fun to watch in action in Philly a couple hundred years ago.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:10 am
We were the people in Philly a couple hundred years ago. that's when we defeated your kind.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:13 am>these folks would have been fun to watch in action in Philly a
> couple hundred years ago.
right, maybe you can explain to me how fighting for your own soil is equivalent to travelling halfway across the globe to invade a country that never did anything to you?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:15 am"We were the people in Philly a couple hundred years ago. that’s when we defeated your kind.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 11:13 am"
Now I get it - you associate your hate filled venomious drivvel with the original American Patriots (for the most part all large business-men like the ones you hate now).
You are egotistical and wrong and couldn't qualify to scrape horse crap off their boots.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:15 amOnce again, Trolls are busy derailing this track.
Hits was quite successful yesterday, it this what we want to happen again?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:16 am"right, maybe you can explain to me how fighting for your own soil is equivalent to travelling halfway across the globe to invade a country that never did anything to you?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — November 15, 2007 @ 11:15 am"
Let me give that a shot - from teh perspective a the French. You know, the ones who traveled across the the globe to SUPPORT a fight that liberated a budding nation. Thanks for the nice lead in. You made my argument for me.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:18 amZimzone - I feel I am a prgressive - am I one of the Trolls, or just someone who doens't think like you ?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:19 amI support ANY soldier to say whatever the flock he wants, I don’t have to agree with it but I won’t call the man unpatriotic.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:13 am
and youll totally ignore the thrust of the arguments being made here - betrayus didnt just SATY WHAT HE WANTS - he repeated administration TALKING POINTS AS IF THEY WERE HIS OWN IDEAS.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:20 amgotta go get in my bimmer andf head to the airport for a week's vacation with money I made scamming litttle old ladies and children.
but you knew all that already...
November 15th, 2007 at 11:20 amGenerals, including Sanchez and Petraus, got to their command positions precisely because of experience and education.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
How do you know?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:21 amLet me give that a shot - from teh perspective a the French. You know, the ones who traveled across the the globe to SUPPORT a fight that liberated a budding nation. Thanks for the nice lead in. You made my argument for me.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:18 am
nice but the french came here to fight the english - and didnt give a shit about freeing us unless it hurt the english - dummy
November 15th, 2007 at 11:21 am>SUPPORT a fight that liberated a budding nation. Thanks for the nice lead >in. You made my argument for me.
how many americans did the french kill? you do realize 95 percent of the people we've killed in iraq are iraqis, right genius?
how is the "budding nation" of palestine working out for you? your analogies are utterly inane and no historian not cruising for a medal a freedom from george bush would make them..
November 15th, 2007 at 11:21 amI'm reporting abuse on pab-o. He is adding nothing to the thread.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:21 amI treat Trolls the same way Bush treats Americans; ignore them.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:22 am"nice but the french came here to fight the english - and didnt give a shit about freeing us unless it hurt the english - dummy
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 11:21 am"
sounds like you are making an even stronger point for me - dummy
November 15th, 2007 at 11:22 amZimzone - I feel I am a prgressive - am I one of the Trolls, or just someone who doens’t think like you ?
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:19 am
November 15th, 2007 at 11:22 amthis isnt a church where you can say you repent when you dont really - you have to ACT progressive to be one.
“And where are you typing this from? You mom’s basement, thought so
Comment by Blue Stater — November 15, 2007 @ 11:10 amâ€
uh, no. But thanks for asking.
stimulating response btw.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Another chickenhawk 24%er just like his heroes Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Rove, Guiliani, etc, etc. who wants others to fight while he is safe and sound to post on a blog.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:23 am“nice but the french came here to fight the english - and didnt give a shit about freeing us unless it hurt the english - dummy
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 11:21 amâ€
sounds like you are making an even stronger point for me - dummy
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:22 am
hey im leading you to THIS:
Who are we fighting in iraq?
answer this an ill knwo exactly what you are and who you shill for.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:23 am>The poster stated that generals inherently have no education or >experience or else they would be in the private sector which is patently >untrue.
Your sarcasm detector turned off? Smelled like it to me. Care to explain why you think my belief that education has no bearing on deceney is any less valid a theory than anyone else's theories about education?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:24 amDo they assign a conservative troll every day or are they freelance?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:24 am"I’m reporting abuse on pab-o. He is adding nothing to the thread.
Comment by Juan C. — November 15, 2007 @ 11:21 am"
that didn't take long to silence the opposition.
I injected the info on a new Confgressional report about military casualties, I added a line about how we might be compared to the French participation in the revolutionary war....
is that not enough to be allowed to join the conversation?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:24 amanswer pab-o - who exactly r we fighting in iraq? cmon.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:27 amComment by pab-o
The French analogy is one of the most stupid things I've ever read. Maybe you should keep with the old ladies thingy.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:27 am"Who are we fighting in iraq?
answer this an ill knwo exactly what you are and who you shill for.
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 11:23 am"
You want my opinion - we're fighting for a sheperd who doesn't give a crap about any of this but just wants to raise a family, a little girl who deserves an solid education, the right of a nation to make their own mistakes under self-governance.
that's who we should be fighting for. I haven't been in the WH to tell you if anyone esle believes that or not.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:27 amsounds like you are making an even stronger point for me - dummy
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Defending the French? Wow, hypocrisy seems to be your only strength. We are the patriots, exactly like the patriots that made this country, liberals and leftists, against the royalty, unlike you boot-licking little nazi wannabes, supporting a Deserter and hsi draft-dodging puppetmaster. You haven't a single fact on your side: your leader allowed a vicious and successful attack against us on 9/11, and has done nothing about it. You are antiAmerican scum, no more, no less.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:27 amthat’s who we should be fighting for. I haven’t been in the WH to tell you if anyone esle believes that or not.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:27 am
You moron, they had that before Bush invaded and murdered that shepard and that little girl. You are ridiculous.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:28 am"your leader allowed a vicious and successful attack against us on 9/11, and has done nothing about it. You are antiAmerican scum, no more, no less.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 11:27 am"
I never voted for Bill Clinton
November 15th, 2007 at 11:29 ams that not enough to be allowed to join the conversation?
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:24 am
lies aren't the coin of the realm here, like they are in Bushworld. Too bad for you.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:29 am"You moron, they had that before Bush invaded and murdered that shepard and that little girl. You are ridiculous.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 11:28 am"
as long as you weren't one of 600k murdered and thrown in teh pit....
November 15th, 2007 at 11:30 am“Who are we fighting in iraq?
answer this an ill knwo exactly what you are and who you shill for.
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 11:23 amâ€
You want my opinion - we’re fighting for a sheperd who doesn’t give a crap about any of this but just wants to raise a family, a little girl who deserves an solid education, the right of a nation to make their own mistakes under self-governance.
that’s who we should be fighting for. I haven’t been in the WH to tell you if anyone esle believes that or not.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:27 am
WOH? Who are we FIGHTING?
Answer.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:30 amDo they assign a conservative troll every day or are they freelance? -Comment by fletc3her
Apparently we have someone's attention. They're tag teaming now. One has suggested killing students and the other one admits to scamming women & children.
Fe Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of Trollscum...
November 15th, 2007 at 11:30 amHere is the story behind that ultra-tough Giuliani's avoiding the draft
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/07/20/rudy_and_romney/print.html
And this is Greenwald just destroying Romney's draft dodging as well
November 15th, 2007 at 11:30 amhttp://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/15/romney/
I never voted for Bill Clinton
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Which is why you are responsible for our losing this fight. George bush was president on that day, with ample warning from Bill Clinton, which he ignored. Your stupidity has already made it clear who you voted for, the one idiot who could have failed as miserably on 9/11 as he did, George Dumbshit Bush.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:31 am>The experience of putting ‘yes’ men in command of military units for >expediency, political or otherwise, has consistently proven throughout >history to be a bad idea.
and yet by your own argument, its been consistently done thoughout history and apparently people havent learned better. Speaking of yes men, care to point out to me one thing Betrayus has disagreed with Bush about?
At least Gates had the b@lls to admit we wern't winning when the Bush talking points were insisting we were..
November 15th, 2007 at 11:31 amGenerals, including Sanchez and Petraus, got to their command positions precisely because of experience and education.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Oh, please! I know a few Generals and Admirals who would laugh at this statement.
Generals and Admirals get to their command positions through an orchestrated 20-30 year campaign of hob-nobbing with the right people and going to the right cocktail parties to get the right posts and the right promotions at the right time.
Do they gain experience and education in the process? Sure. But is that what gets them the top jobs? Not really. Just like in the corporate and political worlds, it's who they know that really counts.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:31 amas long as you weren’t one of 600k murdered and thrown in teh pit….
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:30 am
more lies, no surprise. debunked years ago. is that all you have left, old lies?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:32 am>I hear the Jooos were involved too, they are involved in everything >though so no surprise.
No silly, havent you heard, arabs are the only ones who ever engage in conspiracies. If anyone suggests that rich powerful white people engage in conspiracies to further thier power, thats just absurd. Everyone knows only arabs do that..
November 15th, 2007 at 11:33 amI hear the Jooos were involved too, they are involved in everything though so no surprise.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:30 am
thanks, nazi wannabe, you walked right into it.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:33 amThe experience of putting ‘yes’ men in command of military units for expediency, political or otherwise, has consistently proven throughout history to be a bad idea. The Prince of Orange is proof enough of that.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
Let me see...Iraq was invaded under false allegations of National security threats. And the Generals that participated in the action are no YES MEN???
Now, the creepy question, with all the US technology, do you think the Generals from West Point didn't know Iraq had not a nuclear arsenal? I mean, they didn't have an airforce. It doesnt take a PhD to use common sense.
BTW, the excuse of national security has been proven to work so fine over US population.
Somebody remember what was the excuse of Eisenhower to impose the economic embargo over Cuba? National Security, yes.
Somebody the Torricelli law from Bush I admin regarding the economic embargo? Or the Helms-Burton after that? What ws the excuse then? Yes, democracy and spreading freedom.
Hehehehehe. And yet they keep playing those cards.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:34 amFor example: If a soldier says that a Navy ship could criuse right up onto land and dock at the US Embasy in Iraq…… Then I would call him on his LIE….
Comment by RemoveBush — November 15, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Well, it could - the embassy is on one of the banks of the Tigris. But it'd have to be a small ship.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:34 amYour troll credentials are decaying before our eyes pap-o - answer the simple query:
Who is the US fighting in IRAQ?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:35 am>that’s who we should be fighting for.
that was a nice tearjerking speech, but he was asking "who we ARE FIGHTING IN IRAQ" not "we we are fighting FOR"
November 15th, 2007 at 11:35 amWell, it could - the embassy is on one of the banks of the Tigris. But it’d have to be a small ship.
Comment by toasterhead — November 15, 2007 @ 11:34 am
a boat - arent ships much deeper draft?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:37 amthat’s who we should be fighting for. I haven’t been in the WH to tell you if anyone esle believes that or not.
Comment by pab-o
Guess I missed Jingoistic indoctrination...
November 15th, 2007 at 11:38 ami guess pap-o's head exploded since he does nto have the latest repug talking point indicating who the us is fighting in iraq.
searching for it pap?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:38 amSomebody the Torricelli law from Bush I admin regarding the economic embargo? Or the Helms-Burton after that? What ws the excuse then? Yes, democracy and spreading freedom.
Hehehehehe. And yet they keep playing those cards.
Comment by Juan C. — November 15, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Don't forget guaranteeing that Florida's Cuban diaspora stays firmly in the red, politically. They're only going to stay angry at JFK for so long.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:39 amBut the US killing OVER 1 MILLION and displacing MILLIONS is just fine????
You sure live in a odd world….
Comment by RemoveBush
Haven't you heard? Those dead Iraqis were all from Al-Qaeda.
It is on a solid based ppt from the Pentagon...like those smuggled Iranian weapons.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amIt is alright to call someone a “nazi†(ht: lefty patriot) but not to disagree with someone else’s opinion.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:28 am
oh, boohoo, you poor babies.
damn, we could use you in Iraq.
As if.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amthe original American Patriots (for the most part all large business-men like the ones you hate now).
You are egotistical and wrong and couldn’t qualify to scrape horse crap off their boots.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:15 am
The original American Patriots put all their money, possessions, and lives on the line for the American Revolution. A majority of the signers of the Declaration of Independence lost their fortunes through the war effort. Let's see which Iraq-war proponents have done that? There's... um...I'm sure the top 1% who got those tax cuts are funding this war, no?, OK, then maybe...um...some bigwig Republican politician must have given up his office and enlisted, no?, well...
November 15th, 2007 at 11:42 amwell if its on a power point presentation it MUST be true.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:42 am>“as long as you weren’t one of 600k murdered and thrown in teh pit….
are you counting the ones we help saddam put there, because we were more worried about the islamic nuts in iraq than we were a secular dictator?
you dont think we still, to this day, support murderous regimes?
care to explain why we didnt dig deeper into saddams murderous past? given the alleged vast expanse of his butchery, couldnt we convict him of more than 150 deaths? dont the rest of the victimes deserve their day in court?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:43 amAnother poster declared that the “good†generals have all been fired and only the dregs are left behind.
There COULD be good generals left but what i indicated quite clearly was that generals got FIRED UNTIL ONE STARTED REPEATING THE TALKING POINTS LIKE A PARROT.
clear?
quit 'transferring', start arguing.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:43 ampab-o - missing in action - just like his armchair gods chimpy and darth cheney
November 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amal qaeida, insurgents, (formerly sadam), iran.
they all seem to want to be there.
btw - you want to report me. Read a couple of Lefty's responses first, please.
I love the debate. I obviously don't think like some of you do, but that is a problem for some of you (notice I did not say all). so I will self censor. departing now, le tthe cheers erupt. I will be back to see all the names I've been called so far and after I leave, but it is truly unbecoming of any community when they refuse to hold their own (talking about legty here) accountable to the alledged standards of "open and free debate"
don't kid yourself lefty, you are exhibiting all of the worst behavior of the people you apparently hate. in a way, you are more like them than you know.
signing off for now.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:45 ama boat - arent ships much deeper draft?
Comment by thebobh — November 15, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Technically, yes, and I don't believe there has been much dredging that far up the river. So you may be right. A Navy Ship may have some berthing issues. A Navy Boat could make it, however.
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November 15th, 2007 at 11:46 amthebobh - can you let someone run to the bathroom without insulting them. May I respectfully suggest you grow up a little ?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:47 amlies aren’t the coin of the realm here, like they are in Bushworld. Too bad for you.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 11:29 am
"coin of the realm" - fantastic!
November 15th, 2007 at 11:47 amsigning off for now.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 11:45 am
pussy
November 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amComment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:41 am
well, when they start posting multiple evasions and rightwing talking points instead of answers to the questions at hand, I guess it's time to declare victory and move on, leaving the wingtarded trolls bloody, bruised and beaten, but probably just as stupid and willfully misled as when they started. I must admit, thoughm that their claim to be like the original Revolutionaries was a very imaginative transferrence of reality. Entertaining. Later, lefties, keep up the good fight, we'll drive these assholes back to their caves where they can have lunch with Bush's BFF Bin Laden.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amIt doesn’t take a PhD to figure out that we didn’t know about Libya’s WMD program either, even with all the U.S. technology at our disposal.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
So let's invade Libya...
November 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amal qaeida, insurgents, (formerly sadam), iran.
they all seem to want to be there.
by pab-o (he who leaves)
al qaeida - werent there until we came in - nice work chimpy
, insurgents, - former iraqi army - nice job firing them chimpy
(formerly sadam), - why? wmd? nope none there - nice work chimpy
iran.- also wasnt there till we invaded (due to saddams hate for them) - nice work chimpy
is there a reason we invaded? anyhting at all? wmd? dont make me laugh.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:51 amPetraus was unanimously confirmed which would mean the dems are now part of Bush’s evil cabal.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
I agree.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:51 amNo, not exactly clear. Petraus was unanimously confirmed which would mean the dems are now part of Bush’s evil cabal.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Confirmed to WHAT? A generalship? Are you retarded?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:52 amis there a reason we invaded? anyhting at all? wmd? dont make me laugh.
Comment by thebobh
Pab-o said something about a shepard...
November 15th, 2007 at 11:52 amis there a reason we invaded? anyhting at all? wmd? dont make me laugh.
Comment by thebobh
Pab-o said something about a shepard…
Comment by Juan C. — November 15, 2007 @ 11:52 am
and the shepherds family and dog and parrot - yes but thats nto the point -
November 15th, 2007 at 11:53 amand the shepherds family and dog and parrot - yes but thats nto the point -
Comment by thebobh
Those are serious reasons to invade, you know?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:53 amPab-o said something about a shepard…
Comment by Juan C. — November 15, 2007 @ 11:52 am
I thought the dogs were the good guys.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:54 amUnderstanding the troll is simple once you understand that it can't tell right from wrong.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:54 ammaybe if the parrots could go nuclear id agree to invade to kill all the parrots - dont be silly only chimps play with nukes
November 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amHey _ I missed it - says right int he constitution:
El Preznit can invade a country cuz he wants ta.
Sheesh - and i thought it wasnt enshrined in law.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:57 amhehehehe.
You guys are funny. Later.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:57 amthebobh - you are definitely immature.
verbalkint - you are dismissive and judgemental.
anyone else ? I thought this was a forum for the exchange and challenge of ideas. Those of you who believe it is have allowed a lot of ignorance to creep in, and apparently refuse to address it.
I really gotta go - the limo is out front beeping the horn... have a great day.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmSure on the river, but that was not the example I gave….
“a Navy ship could criuse right up onto land and dock at the US Embasy in Iraqâ€
Comment by RemoveBush — November 15, 2007 @ 11:49 am
Well! Obviously you've never heard of the Advanced SEAL Delivery System, designed to launch Navy SEALS from Virginia-class U-boat directly onto dry land inside a modified torpedo.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:07 pmoh, mmm, let's see, we have the most troops so far over there, and then there's Iran right next door, how convenient.
pad-o = hits
I complained to TP about his spamming all day long and hits got kicked, now we have to complain about him all over again.
RNC supplies him with new email so him can just do it again and again
Buck Fush
November 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pmI really gotta go - the limo is out front beeping the horn… have a great day.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
I really hope he didn't forget that cute little hat in his rush to get to his limo. Drivers just look so much more elegant wearing one.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pm"oh, mmm, let’s see, we have the most troops so far over there, and then there’s Iran right next door, how convenient.
pad-o = hits
I complained to TP about his spamming all day long and hits got kicked, now we have to complain about him all over again.
RNC supplies him with new email so him can just do it again and again
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy — November 15, 2007 @ 12:10 pm"
stopped back for one more peak.
no hat when you sit in the back.
who is hits, and do you think I am them ? sorry, no.
and no one gives me email. I used my own. Ignoramuous!
November 15th, 2007 at 12:23 pmAgain, CONFIRMED FOR WHAT?
Petreus is a GENERAL! He was appointed Bush's top military commander in Iraq. By BUSH.
The "Dem congress" doesn't have a say in military staffing or promotions.
WTF are you talking about?
November 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI really hope he didn’t forget that cute little hat in his rush to get to his limo. Drivers just look so much more elegant wearing one.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — November 15, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
looks just like betrayus's hat. another toady for bushco.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhen I taught in post graduate programs, we often compared training anyone over thirty to pouring water through a sieve. A lot of fluid passes through, but only a trace of moisture remains behind. Late bachelorettes were another matter. They tended to earn about 20% more then the late PhD’s on average.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:26 pmand a lot of CEO's were never graduated..
November 15th, 2007 at 12:28 pmand a lot of CEO’s were never graduated..
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Motivation and intelligence sometimes produce simular results.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:35 pmyou have those in the right order. It is amazing how many people who know how work for people who know why.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pm"Try doing this on Redstate, see how quickly you get banned….."
their loss
November 15th, 2007 at 12:39 pmpad-o = hits
Comment by Buckie Boy — November 15, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Are you sure? He hasn't used the word "extrapolate" or droned on about his need to survive once.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:46 pm“Try doing this on Redstate, see how quickly you get banned…..â€
their loss
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Don't you have a limo to drive?
November 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmI had an uncle who earned his bachelorette at 58. In the meantime, he built his own home, laying each and every brick and cutting or placing every piece of wood. He also rose to the boardroom of a major defense contractor. That was an example of motivation. I would also note that he was a victim of the Depression - sending a sister and two brothers towards higher education through work that could be best described as pure sweat. (Two PhD's and One MD).
November 15th, 2007 at 12:53 pmI really gotta go - the limo is out front beeping the horn… have a great day.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
If you are rich enough to have a limo, how do we know you are really blogging and not butler pretending to be you?
November 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pmWhat happened to pab-o? Oh who really gives a shit?
November 15th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI really gotta go - the limo is out front beeping the horn… have a great day.
Comment by pab-o — November 15, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
I can just see it now -- "hits" was driving for some limo company, taking an executive to the airport. But he'd forgotten to pee before he left. Since they were passing by his house, he stopped in to kiss his mommy and log on to TP for a few minutes to fling some virtual feces.
Meanwhile the exec sitting in the limo got impatient because he was going to miss his flight, so he leaned over the seat and blew the horn. Hits had to log off in a hurry. Good thing he doesn't have a blackberry yet.
November 15th, 2007 at 1:17 pmYeah I saw that stupid Fox news piece about more soldiers killed in 81-82 "peacetime" than in Iraq. How come I only saw that on Fox?
My guess would be it was a 24%er story designed to be a distraction. What are we supposed to think, peace is more deadly than war?
How about all the innocent civilians killed in Iraq compared to 81-82 peacetime? What about our credibility in the world? The billions spent? That was the most idiotic irrelevant story I've seen, even for Fox.
November 15th, 2007 at 1:29 pmToasterhead - pad-o = hits is just a guess, it is not often that we get posters this stupid that spams the site this much, it is mostly a Jake trait.
Buck Fush
November 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pmBuckie Boy - do you make snap judgements about everyone with which you disagree ?
and RemovBush - you say trolls make statements without backing them up with facts, then make a statement (rw sites censor more) without any facts.
go figure
November 15th, 2007 at 4:37 pm