ThinkFast: November 15, 2007
ThinkFast: November 15, 2007
Friends and supporters have established a legal defense fund for former attorney general Alberto R. Gonzales, who is still facing “an ongoing Justice Department investigation into whether” he “committed perjury or improperly tampered with a congressional witness.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is “considering” pro forma sessions during Thanksgiving break to stop President Bush from using the break to install any of his outstanding executive branch nominees.” Controversial Surgeon General nominee Dr. James Holsinger expects a recess appointment.
The Government Accountability Office reports government investigators “smuggled liquid explosives and detonators through airport checkpoints, exposing dangerous vulnerabilities in security efforts.” “Our tests clearly demonstrate that a terrorist group, using publicly available information and a few resources, could cause severe damage to an airplane and threaten the safety of passengers,” the report states.
Billionaire investor Warren Buffett urged Congress yesterday to maintain the estate tax, “saying that plans to repeal the tax would benefit a handful of the richest American families and widen income disparity in the United States.” Buffet said it would be more appropriate to call the “death tax” a “death present” for the wealthy.
Conservative activists gathered yesterday “for two days of plotting to advance a small-government agenda.” “Our guys are feeling a lot of frustration right now,” said former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) was treated as “a rock star” at the gathering.
John Podesta, Lawrence Korb, and Brian Katulis warn of “strategic drift” in the Washington Post. “Progressives must be careful not to repeat the mistakes made in 2002 and 2004, when they failed to offer a clear challenge or choice on Iraq,” they write.
“The president of the Iraqi bar association hand-delivered a letter” to House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) and Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) Wednesday “calling for better treatment of detainees in Iraq and criticizing the U.S. government for not doing enough to build Iraq’s legal system.”
“In his second day on the job, Attorney General Michael Mukasey leaped into the political fray,” telling Sen. Pat Leahy (D-VT) that he opposes his electronic surveillance plan and would recommend the president veto it if it is passed.”
“House Democrats are hoping changes they made to a bill to expand court oversight of government surveillance inside the United States will find enough support to win passage on a second try.”
And finally: One in five New York University students said they’d swap their right to vote for an iPod touch. “66 percent said they’d forfeit their vote for a free ride to NYU. And half said they’d give up the right to vote forever for $1 million.”
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Uhm hasnt bigfwat told you TP, the Government Accountability Office is a bunch of accountants, what do they know about what airport security should be like?
November 15th, 2007 at 9:13 amAnd finally: One in five New York University students said they’d swap their right to vote for an iPod touch. “66 percent said they’d forfeit their vote for a free ride to NYU. And half said they’d give up the right to vote forever for $1 million.â€
I'd most certainly swap mine for a million! Then I could buy about 2500 iPod touches and buy the votes of the whole NYU Young Republicans club.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:14 amConservative activists gathered yesterday “for two days of plotting to advance a small-government agenda.†“Our guys are feeling a lot of frustration right now,†said former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) was treated as “a rock star†at the gathering.
Don't worry too much guys--our present leadership has simply taken the federal government to its "Red Giant" phase of existance. Before long they intend to let it collapse into a big black hole.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:17 amSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid is “considering†pro forma sessions during Thanksgiving break
Why is he "considering" it? Why doesn't he just do it. For gods sake, they take so much time off already, it's not going to kill them to rotate someone being there during the break. It's the least they can do for the country they have let down.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:18 am"Friends and supporters have established a legal defense fund for former attorney general Alberto R. Gonzales"
Is the website being designed by the same people who did the one for Bernie Kerik? Sounds like they may have found a niche market.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:19 amThe Government Accountability Office reports government investigators “smuggled liquid explosives and detonators through airport checkpoints, exposing dangerous vulnerabilities in security efforts.†“Our tests clearly demonstrate that a terrorist group, using publicly available information and a few resources, could cause severe damage to an airplane and threaten the safety of passengers,†the report states.
In a report timed, coincidentally I'm sure, to ramp up the fear before the holiday travel season.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:20 amThe Government Accountability Office reports government investigators “smuggled liquid explosives and detonators through airport checkpoints, exposing dangerous vulnerabilities in security efforts.â€
That's what happens when you spend all our dollars "fighting them over there", rather than protecting us here. There's not a lot of money to be gained by FOB's by protecting us here, so we all know where the money will continue to go. Wherever it will line the pockets of FOB's.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:20 amBillionaire investor Warren Buffett urged Congress yesterday to maintain the estate tax...
You gotta love Buffett. He's an uber rich guy with a conscience and a heart. That's quite unusual for the rich. Too bad more rich people can't be like him.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:22 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
Here's a nice one:
November 15th, 2007 at 9:24 am
Is the website being designed by the same people who did the one for Bernie Kerik? Sounds like they may have found a niche market.
Comment by missmolly — November 15, 2007 @ 9:19 am
bailmeout.com
At this point, all they need to do is swap out a few photos and change a couple of names. A smart entrepreneur would already have registered domains for everyone connected to this administration. Or any Republic politician, for that matter. You're definitely on to something.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:24 am“Progressives must be careful not to repeat the mistakes made in 2002 and 2004, when they failed to offer a clear challenge or choice on Iraq,†they write.
I guess they forgot about 2006. Apparently the message the Democrats gave the nation about Iraq, which was to get the hell out of there, resonated with the public. What these guys fail to understand is that there is only one "clear challenge or choice" about Iraq. We are in a quagmire and the only way out of a quagmire is to leave. That's pretty much the only choice.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:24 amw is already getting his money's worth in mukasey. He will oppose Leahy's version of an electronic's surveillance bill. The government just has to protect the illegal surveillance to make sure that w's political opponents are carefully watched.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:25 amRovian Stormtrooper Commander sez:
Please explain, RSC, how one manages to appropriate the voting rights of another through the act of murdering them.
(This oughtta be good..)
November 15th, 2007 at 9:25 amThe president of the Iraqi bar association hand-delivered a letter†to House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) and Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) Wednesday
So, why did this guy deliver the letter to Republicans when the Democrats are the majority in Congress? Could it be because he decided to go to the source of the problem, the Republicans?
November 15th, 2007 at 9:25 am“In his second day on the job, Attorney General Michael Mukasey leaped into the political fray,†telling Sen. Pat Leahy (D-VT) that he opposes his electronic surveillance plan and would recommend the president veto it if it is passed.â€
Yep, just as I expected. He took his oath to George Bush and not to the United States and the Constitution.
Thanks a lot Diane and Chuck. Heck of a job you did there. On the other hand I blame all the Democrats because they could have filibustered Mulkasey. Instead they gave into Bully Boy Bush's threat to nominate someone worse than Mulkasey or to recess appoint someone.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:28 am"And finally: One in five New York University students said they’d swap their right to vote for an iPod touch."
If this 20% of NYU students represent those who would vote Republican, I can certainly see why they think their vote might be worthless, and an iPod Touch certainly has more value than a worthless vote. Because of our antiquated Electoral College system, anybody who votes for the Republican candidate for president in a blue state like New York is disenfranchised anyway (it's the same for people voting for the Democrat in a red state).
Voting for president and vice president is something Americans should do as Americans -- not as New Yorkers, Texans, Californians, Nebraskans, etc.
The Electoral College needs to be abolished, and I fear no ground will be gained on this issue until a Democrat is elected president despite a Republican getting more of the popular vote.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:29 amNow that's just damn sad.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:31 am“House Democrats are hoping changes they made to a bill to expand court oversight of government surveillance inside the United States will find enough support to win passage on a second try.â€
The Senate version contains immunity for the telcoms whereas the house version does not. Get on the horn and call your Senators today and tell them not to allow the telcoms immunity. If they ever want to know the truth about what went on there, they won't pass a law giving the telcoms immunity. Then they can go back and offer them immunity for blowing the whistle on Bush and Company.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:31 amAnd half said they’d give up the right to vote forever for $1 million.
Oh Please, One million in 2007 is squat. In 1970 sure but today, ten million would be my price.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:35 amPlease explain, RSC, how one manages to appropriate the voting rights of another through the act of murdering them.
(This oughtta be good..)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
RSC is one of our resident trolls back in a new incarnation. Just ignore the fool.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:35 amThe Electoral College needs to be abolished, and I fear no ground will be gained on this issue until a Democrat is elected president despite a Republican getting more of the popular vote.
Comment by missmolly
I so agree. Abolish the Electoral College and publically fund elections. And while we are at it, do away with our two party system. Personally I would love to see us to go a parliamentary system of government. Most other industrialized nations use this form of representative government. It gives a lot more power to the people.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:38 am"Conservative activists gathered yesterday 'for two days of plotting to advance a small-government agenda.' "
When I first saw this, I was prepared to take TP to task for using the term "plotting" -- as if preparing a small-government agenda was some kind of nefarious underground act of treason. Then I saw that the Washington Times (the conservative Moonie paper) used the exact same phrase, which TP merely copied.
I object to the term "plotting" when "planning" or "preparing" could have been used. Smaller government was the hallmark of what the GOP used to be before the neocons took over, and while I don't always agree with the general concept, it's not a shameful or criminal goal. In fact, I applaud these Republicans for attempting to get back to their roots and away from the skyrocketing spending for war that their party has come to stand for.
Of course, the Washington Times may have spun this because they see this group as a threat to the current status quo.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:42 amI’d most certainly swap mine for a million! Then I could buy about 2500 iPod touches and buy the votes of the whole NYU Young Republicans club.
Or you could just kill all of them and get their votes for free.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander
Expect to see this show up at redstate and other conservative blogs with the heading "Progressives advocate killing conservative students".
Please ignore RSC, he's just one of our resident trolls back to fling feces at our walls.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:44 amSen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) was treated as “a rock star†at the gathering.
Who.............Sid Vicious or Britney Spears?
November 15th, 2007 at 9:48 amHRC should install a wind-sock on the roof of her limo and use it as an easily recognizable campaign device.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 9:23 am
She should also change her name to Bush and her party affiliation to the Treason Party: GOP. there's never been a flip-flopper like Bush, who has lied since his first campaign speech,a nd continues to lie today. His flip-flops have caused as much damamge as Hurricane katrina. His flip-flops probably caused Hurricane Katrina, as numerous and radical as they were.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:50 am“The president of the Iraqi bar association hand-delivered a letter†to House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) and Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) Wednesday “calling for better treatment of detainees in Iraq and criticizing the U.S. government for not doing enough to build Iraq’s legal system.â€
What was their list of complaints? Ignoring habeus corpus, the lack of access to counsel and abuse of prisoners ?
Oh. Yeah, the Padilla thingy. Got it.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:50 amIn light of all the attention you are showing to my posts, I would say that your inability to ignore them while haranguing others to do just that is, well, hypocritical.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 9:49 am
never as hypocritical as your defense of treason by your "leaders", nazi.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:51 amIn light of all the attention you are showing to my posts, I would say that your inability to ignore them while haranguing others to do just that is, well, hypocritical.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 9:49 am
It is hard to ignore a mosquito flying around your head, or a pile of dog crap just left lying on your doorstep.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:53 amThe Dems continue to not comprehend that this administration is about protecting what they have done and not exposing any of it to the light of day. ANYONE nominated by bush/cheney will ALWAYS support bush/cheney. That's the way it has worked for the past seven years and it isn't going to change now.
The Dems lack the cohesive force to hold this administration accountable, which is what Americans asked them to do in 2006. They better understand that Americans do not like the appearance of weakness and that's all the Dem's have given us during the past year.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:55 am11, TMM, good catch.
My God, when Bush's pansies go after bridge players, who's next, Girl Scouts?
I wish the Feds were paying more attention to bridges on Federal highways & place less importance on bridge players!
Our National infrastructure of bridges is 50+ years old, dangerous, and are an accident waiting to happen; just ask us here in MN.
November 15th, 2007 at 9:59 amWell maybe Spineless Harry is growing some gravitas after all?? In order to thwart Bush's predictable 'recess appointments' whom everyone knows are not qualified for the positions to which they are assigned (or why else recess appoint??), the Dems may keep congress in session.
What a concept?? You'd think these idiots were living under a rock.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:00 amLinks, please. I would like to know how any decision that Bush made caused a hurricane to occur. Or were you just trying to be snide in that oh so clever, albeit hysterical, manner of yours?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Well, the rolling of FEMA into Homeland Security, replacing government disaster managers with external contractors, and refocusing of the agency from natural disasters to terrorism can be cited as some of the problems related to Hurricane Katrina. Did Bush make the weather pattern? No. Did he make the damage worse when it came ashore? Yes.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:01 amFor all the crying about the “death taxâ€, where is the concern about the “birth taxâ€, since every child who is born in this country inherits a debt of nearly $30,000 before they even take their first breath?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:02 amAgreed. The electoral college system is archaic and it's original design no longer viable. When the people via popular vote elect one man and the electoral college elects another, this becomes clear - hacked DRE's nonwithstanding.
Campaign finance reform, terms limits, and an abolition of the Electoral College System would be a step toward salvaging this flagging democracy of ours.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:03 amLegislation needed to enforce existing laws? ONLY IN THE NEW AMERICA:
The White House contends lawsuits could bankrupt the companies and reveal classified information.
DAMN! Should have thought about that BEFORE breaking the law, traitors.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:05 amDid Bush make the weather pattern? No. Did he make the damage worse when it came ashore? Yes.
Comment by toasterhead — November 15, 2007 @ 10:01 am
I maintain that the pace and violnce of his flip-flops and reversals (no nation-building, etc.) also caused Katrina. His failure to protect US citizens was already established on 9/11, so that was expected. If it's one thing most Americans have learned, it's that the Bush cabal excels at one thing: failing to protect America and Americans. Treason is the Bush trait, and treason is what his followers revel in.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:05 amGonzo Defense Fund?? Screw him like he screwed all of us! Let his "moneybags boss" fund him - after all, he's the one he lied for to save his royal a$$. Gonzo's getting what he's asked for - a lifetime of questions and investigations. He decided to "play" and now he must "pay".
Next to the Shrub, I believe the people of this country fault Gonzo for orchestrating the level of anarchy present today.
Gonzo is definitely persona non grata in this country and should hide his sorry head in shame. He's a national pariah.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:06 amHeyyyy, congrats! Only two posts in and the “nazi references have made their first appearance.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:07 amcomment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 9:58 am
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Your name has a strong nazi connotation.
The Sturmabteilung usually translated as "stormtroop(er)s"), functioned as a paramilitary organization of the NSDAP — the German Nazi party. It played a key role in Adolf Hitler's rise to power in the 1930s.
Lefty and Toasterhead: The sages say that the external mirrors the internal.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:07 am"Progressives must be careful not to repeat the mistakes made in 2002 and 2004, when they failed to offer a clear challenge or choice on Iraq."
The biggest problem that Progressives have had to deal with is a problem that got dumped in their laps -- that they didn't create. The current administration, along with a cooperative Republican Congress, created a mess for which there are no easy clean-up solutions, and resolution will take a long time. Yes, it can be argued (and frequently is, by the right) that Democrats voted to allow Bush to invade Iraq. True, some did. But far more Republicans supported the idea, and it was the Bush administration who was responsible for the implementation -- not the Dems.
Nevertheless, the general hooting accusations from the right toward Democratic candidates is that they have no easy solution for the Iraq quagmire. True. Nobody does. There isn't one -- all "solutions" will carry some kind of negative effect. But it seems to me that the first course of action when dealing with any kind of mess is to eliminate the cause of the mess to prevent more messes.
If raw sewage is being pumped into your living room, you would probably stop the flow first. Then you'd concentrate on the cleanup.
If we are to improve the situation in the Middle East and restore America's reputation in the world, we must first get rid of the cause of the problem. Progressives should focus on this -- especially since drums are beating for attacking Iran.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amGonzo once, Gonzo twice, Gonzo gone!
November 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amNice to have you back.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 9:58 am
hey, stormtrooper, if the shoe fits...
of course, the term nazi is a little extreme for you, as nazis actually fought the war they supported, but not a little pussy coward like you, no, no, never.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:10 amA good dose of"Fear PRN" is the prescription of the State Department and the White house. No doubt the holiday season is a good time to entrap with fear a higher percentage of americans. Unfortunately, it is no longer working because they people recognize the tactic. Sadly, it may be a case of "cry wolf" because our level of competence in all aspects of this administration and all cubbyholes of this government is abysmally lacking. Not enough money to ensure the safety of our food? Fault Bush. Not enough money to ensure the safety of our airports?? Fault Bush. Not enough money to secure our borders? Fault Bush.
The Iraq War spending could mean so much to this descending country right now. The Iraq War is tanking every aspect of what once made this country great.
We're sinking faster than the Titanic and MOST of the presidential candidates are merely arranging the chairs on board.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:11 amPlease accept my apology for the faulty use of bold. I am multi-tasking at work and it appears I should stick to work and leave the trolls alone.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:11 amIf raw sewage is being pumped into your living room, you would probably stop the flow first. Then you’d concentrate on the cleanup.
As usual, good post, missmolly.
Did you have Fox News on by accident? I know when my TV accidentally stops there, the whole living room smells like sewage.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:12 amZimzone: Very good! Gonzo Gone!!
November 15th, 2007 at 10:12 amoff topic I know but did anyone tune in to Kucinich TV last night for his talk? I see that he has a new internet venue since most of the whoring media won't recognize him. good for Kucinich! More people are realizing that he has more cajones than all of the other candidates combined (sorry Hillary!).
November 15th, 2007 at 10:14 amYou can’t help it, it’s in your liberal blood.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:12 am
says the nazi wannabe "stormtrooper", from the comfort of his keyboard.
LOL! what a little pussy. I shouldn't have insulted nazis by calling you one. you're a nazi pretender, a little pussy wannabe. how pathetic. and to take the name of a cut 'n' run draft-dodger like rove, you're really showing your true colors: yellow and yellower.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:16 amWe see a lot of Trolls here, but smart-assed ones take the cake.
They're just here to jab & poke, trying to get our dander up.
Anyone that suggests killing students is cute should really be looked at by the NSA, FBI, & CIA.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:17 amGreat post's, TMM, Missmolly and a few other's...Now that the bridge club is under threat I am reminded that the Quaker's and Dixie Chick's have gone through some of the same nazi mentalety that the reich wing demand....Seem's to me we have some major house cleaning to do....I wonder if the reich winger's will be so happy when the majority stand up and demand their allegence and silence.....We must stand by and demand free speech for all, now more than ever.....Blessings
November 15th, 2007 at 10:18 amJust wondering though, have you enlisted to fight in Afghanistan since the libs constantly harp about just how much they support that particular war?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:17 am
We do? I don't recall ever harping about that. Have you seen a lot of us harping about that here? Please link to some of our harps - I'm quite curious to see them!
November 15th, 2007 at 10:20 amOh settle down. I was referring to the fact that dead people are always voting for democrats; just ask Edwards for help corroborating this, I hear he has the ability to channel the deceased.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:20 am
as usual, fact-free, wrong, and cowardly. run away from your own words, like you run away from service in the war you support with hot air and empty slogans. nice to put the blame on your father, though. he must be proud to have sired such a weakling.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:23 amOh settle down. I was referring to the fact that dead people are always voting for democrats; just ask Edwards for help corroborating this, I hear he has the ability to channel the deceased.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Then why haven't the Republicans on the county electoral boards purged them from the voter rolls? You guys are so good at getting rid of black people and deployed soldiers, one would think you'd take care of the deceased as well.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:23 amFolks, one suggestion. If you think a new troll is nothing more than a renamed and repackaged troll, flag one post and ask TP to make sure that he was not already banned. And give trolls not one iota of ground for rules breaking...if he so much as steps out of the line by a millimeter, hit the flag button.
That's the only way they'll learn.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:24 amGood Morning Veritas, sorry I tried to catch Kucenich and guess my timing was off cause it said they were off line..
Please stop feeding the troll's they are like tropical plant's, throw water on and ignore instead..Blessings
November 15th, 2007 at 10:24 amSorry but you know it’s true, that the lib trolls who post here are constantly yacking about how Afghanistan was a “legal†war. You can choose to pretend it isn’t true, but pretending won’t make it less so.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:23 am
no link, though, even to the fact that Bushie ran away from that fight, let your real leader Bin Laden go free. You keyboard commandos are letting America down, working so hard for our defeat. send your old man to Afghanistan, maybe that will lighten the stain of your cowardice.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:25 amSorry but you know it’s true, that the lib trolls who post here are constantly yacking about how Afghanistan was a “legal†war. You can choose to pretend it isn’t true, but pretending won’t make it less so.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:23 am
Saying that the war is legal, in contrast with the illegal Iraq war, is not the same as "harping about how much we support it." It's a statement of fact.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:26 amNo wonder the Republicans are losing, what with all the dead people they've created.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:28 amComment by toasterhead — November 15, 2007 @ 10:26 am
trolls are unfamiliar with "facts", it makes them fearful. as does service in the "wars" they support from the comfort of their keyboards.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:28 amThis is a must see news clip if anyone missed it.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:33 amNot sure why it's not working. http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3505208n
November 15th, 2007 at 10:34 amSaying that you don’t support the Iraq war because it didn’t have anything to do with 911 while Afghanistan did is the issue.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:29 am
but you don't want to go after Saudi Arabia, where the plot and most of the terrorists originated, right? is that because you're afraid, or bought out? Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11, nor did Afghanistan, but you support the mass-murder of those people anyway, as long as you can hide behind your keyboard and play nazi wannabe. no wonder you can't win a simple police action against an already-defeated desert tyranny. is it the fear, or the incompetence? or is it just plain treason on the part of your leaders, in league with Bin Laden and the rest of the Saudis? Let us know; after all, Saddam is dead, and Ira is a democracy, right?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:35 amAnyone notice how "hits" was banned late yesterday and this clown shows up as todays substitute troll. Please don't feed the trolls. They come here soley to disrupt and incite. Ignore and it will eventually go away.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:35 amProfessor Paul Kurtz separates belief or faith into three categories. Level 1 is Intransigent Faith, faith that will not be affected by any sort of contrary evidence, no matter how strong.
I think the Bush sycophants are exhibiting this Level 1 faith and will defend their little guy to the death.
Now there's an idea I could get behind.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:36 amWe are trying, but it takes time, especially when every election creates a brand new crop of democrat-voting dead.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:28 am
If you are going to push this insane argument, please provide some evidence that "dead" Democrats vote and "dead" Republicans do not. I expect some numbers, as well as proof this is happening. And please cite a source from a mainstream medium -- not one of the right-wing "we make stuff up" sites.
All I am seeing is that voter caging is a tool of the Rove squad (NOT the Democrats), and they are mostly filtering out soldiers fighting overseas and other live people likely to cast a vote, not dead people. Yes, there are dead people on voter rolls from both parties, because when people die, their families usually have more on their minds than notifying their voter registration boards. I haven't seen evidence that these dead people are actually attempting to cast votes -- not from the major news outlets, anyway.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:37 amSo would you support abandoning the war in Iraq and using those military resources to finish the job in Afghanistan?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:31 am
I support the hanging of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and Perle for causing the deaths of 4000 of our troops and the growth of Al Qaeda.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:38 amThe likelihood of pro forma sessions during Thanksgiving break is the same as Harry Reid having a pro forma Thanksgiving dinner. What a turkey!
November 15th, 2007 at 10:39 amJust FLAG RSC, over and over again.
The twit is only here to annoy and tie up threads.
So FLAG it.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:39 amAnyone notice how “hits†was banned late yesterday and this clown shows up as todays substitute troll. Please don’t feed the trolls. They come here soley to disrupt and incite. Ignore and it will eventually go away.
Comment by A Patriot Acting — November 15, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Sorry -- you're right, of course, and I should have known better. I won't feed them anymore. But just for fun, let's see if the stormtrooper can actually answer the question I presented.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:39 amI’d most certainly swap mine for a million! Then I could buy about 2500 iPod touches and buy the votes of the whole NYU Young Republicans club.
Comment by Menehune — November 15, 2007 @ 9:14 am
Oh, please! The parents of the Young Republicans got the iPods for their kids before they were even in the stores. Those are Dem votes you'd be buying. ;)
November 15th, 2007 at 10:40 am"I support the hanging of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and Perle for causing the deaths of 4000 of our troops and the growth of Al Qaeda."
Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 15, 2007 @ 10:38 am
If it was good enough for Saddam, it's good enough for these guys. I actually wouldn't mind my tax dollars going to fund this good cause.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:46 amOh, I'm so very sorry, Mister Turdblossom's Ass Comander. I wasn't aware that you had gained tenure. Yes, I've seen your dried feces caked on the walls of this blog before. You don't deny that your sole reason for gracing us with your bloted ego and lack of facts is simply to disrupt and incite do you?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:47 amShould we have a trial first or just head straight to the gallows? Don’t let those pesky legal technicalities get in the way of a good rant, just tie the noose on and smack the horse.
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:43 am
hey, Bushco is very busy rewriting laws through its recess-appointed hacks to avoid trials, knowing full well they will hang if the American people ever find out the truth. no different from the nazisof the 30s. No different whatsoever, little nazi wannabe coward. Trials? Please; they would all hang; otherwise, what are they afraid of? We all know what you're afraid of: everything.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:49 amThey should get a trial like Saddam had. Complete with hangmen who shout "Hillary'" while they're pulling the lever...
November 15th, 2007 at 10:49 ammmm...another troll desperately trying to stay above the water.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:54 amI'd be in favor of a true death tax: after providing for your spouse and ensuring post-secondary education for your kids, whatever assets you leave behind are liquidated and turned over to the government. Strict limitations on pre-mortem gifts, transfers and joint ownerships would apply. The United States should not permit dynastic wealth.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:55 amDoes anyone have the address to where to send in contributions to Gonzo's defense fund? I have a bag of dog poo ready.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:01 amI'M WITH YOU UNCLE HO. Wish I still owned horses, could fill a semi and dump it on the whore house lawn...Blessings
November 15th, 2007 at 11:04 amMister Turdblossom's Ass Commander-
I'll take your lack of denial as an admission of your true goals here. Thanks for playing!
p.s.-I never said that you were troll "hits". Just a poor substitute in an SS uniform.
I apologize to my fellow Progressives for my temporary digression and will follow my own advice and stop feeding the trolls. Just needed to clarify their
November 15th, 2007 at 11:08 amdesire to disrupt and with that I leave him to the rest of you.
All that screeching yet you failed to answer the question. Trial or no trial before the hanging?
Comment by Rovian Stormtrooper Commander — November 15, 2007 @ 10:52 am
You're awfully stupid if you can't understand what I very clearly wrote about trials. Your side is the one preventing them. I'm all for them, as they would assure the hangings I look forward to.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:09 am"Small government" means paying mercenary armies extra (several times what US military personnel are paid), outsourcing everything from police protection and disaster recovery (see Blackwater in NOLA after Katrina) to road maintenance (private companies "owning" highways, so states don't have to maintain them), and the longtime favorite, private schools. This means privatizing all government services, so that( like health care now), only the rich will be able to afford them.
Of course, if they went all the way, and totally eliminated government (especially the form of it we've had for the past 6 (almost 7) years), I might climb on board with that idea.....
November 15th, 2007 at 11:14 amFor the record (sound familiar? sorry) I am not in favor of hanging, shooting or torturing the criminals in this administration. I sincerely hope Bush lives a looooong life. A miserable life, in a cell, with multiple husbands.
Peritonitis and a colostomy bag, and a slight stroke, just enough to cause the drool to drip when he tries to convince Bubba that twice a day should be enough for anyone.
But with his limited mental capabilities intact so he can contemplate the damage he has done to our country.
And for these small favors I do beseech ye, Lord Poseidon.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:19 amAre the billions being paid for the raggedy ass embassy in Iraq included in the war cost???/
November 15th, 2007 at 11:37 amHere's one you missed (off MSNBC):
By Thomas E. Ricks
updated 10:42 p.m. PT, Wed., Nov. 14, 2007
CAMP LIBERTY, Iraq - Senior military commanders here now portray the intransigence of Iraq's Shiite-dominated government as the key threat facing the U.S. effort in Iraq, rather than al-Qaeda terrorists, Sunni insurgents or Iranian-backed militias.
In more than a dozen interviews, U.S. military officials expressed growing concern over the Iraqi government's failure to capitalize on sharp declines in attacks against U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians. A window of opportunity has opened for the government to reach out to its former foes, said Army Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the commander of day-to-day U.S. military operations in Iraq, but "it's unclear how long that window is going to be open."
The lack of political progress calls into question the core rationale behind the troop buildup President Bush announced in January, which was premised on the notion that improved security would create space for Iraqis to arrive at new power-sharing arrangements. And what if there is no such breakthrough by next summer? "If that doesn't happen," Odierno said, "we're going to have to review our strategy."
Yeah, Odierno, keep this up and you'll be reviewing your new strategy from the stern of your fishing boat. On permanent vacation.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:37 amWhat ever happened to country that said
November 15th, 2007 at 11:42 amEVEN THE DEVIL DESERVES AN ATTORNEY ??????!!!!!
Isn't it nice how our corrupt elected officials and their corrupt appointees steal from the peoples' coffers and stuff their pockets with our hard earned money only to turn around when the the heat is on and establish their legal defense fund to ward off the investigators who will never recoupe any of their spoils. This kind of legal defense funding is as corrupt as the offical him/herself. The stacked deck is not what the founders had in mind when they wrote law.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:42 amLegal defense funds should be illegal for persons indicted for corruption in the public sector.
Former Congresswomen, Elizabeth Holzman: "The War Crimes Act of 1996 makes cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees a violation of the Geneva Conventions and a federal crime. In addition, a 1994 law, 18 USC Section 2340 (a), makes it a federal crime to engage in torture outside the US, and it also applies to those who conspire with (or aid and abet or order) torture outside the US. Both statutes apply to any US national, including the president, the vice president and other top officials, as well as subordinates, such as CIA officers or other US personnel. If the president ordered, directed or authorized waterboarding or other forms of torture or mistreatment, he may have violated these laws. They carry the death penalty in cases where the victim dies. In such cases there is no statute of limitations, so the president could be subject to prosecution for the rest of his life."
Just something for Nazi-emulating Bush cultists to consider and, possibly, lose some sleep over.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:07 pmAnd, here's a helpful tip to the average, sociopathic Bush cultist: if you don't want to be called a "Nazi," don't refer to yourself as a "stormtrooper."
November 15th, 2007 at 12:21 pmMethinks we should establish a legal prosecution fund to investigate, indict and prosecute this destroyer of the American legal system, this corrupter of the U.S. Constitution, this....
November 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThe FACIST STATE OF AMERICA is been lead by WAR CRIMINALS that should be behind barrs. Their time to get handcuffed, chained to the ground, hooded and possibly waterboarded is long over due. Yet they are still running the FACIST STATE OF AMERICA. Do we have any hope to see the WAR CRIMINAL Alberto Gonzo behind barrs??? Only if the FACIST STATE OF AMERICA want to clean up it destryed image.
November 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmsacopenapa: "Their time to get handcuffed, chained to the ground, hooded and possibly waterboarded is long over due."
Let's not let unamerican sociopaths teach us how to treat people. People who have committed war crimes deserve to be indicted, convicted and imprisoned - not tortured. Let's take our marching orders from George Washington, who, inspite of the horrible treatment his men received at the hands of redcoats, would not let his men mistreat their prisoners.
November 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhen are people going to realise that the War on Terror is utterly bogus and that the credibility gap between the possibility of attack versus the perception of the possibility is the width of a martian canyon.
Terrorism is a method of warfare, it cant be defeated. Plus people should also educate themselves to the fact that Islamism has been a friend of US foriegn policy for much longer than it has been an enemy. and therefore it should be questioned whether it is infact an enemy at all. Its existence still benefits the same people who used it as a tool to undermine progressive, secular, arab nationalism in the past.
Read: Devils Game by Dreyfuss.
The people have fallen for the same stunts every time (for centuries), and its about time we drew a line in the sand and said enough is enough!! I would suggest that americans look at all the candidates, and the ones the main stream media allege are "slightly kooky", vote for them. They are only "slightly kooky" to the status quo of the elites, not the people.
November 16th, 2007 at 8:14 amRet. Col. Jack Ripper:
why do you think bush is planning to run away to a latin american schloss like his german mentors did in 1945?
November 16th, 2007 at 8:21 am