Saudi court increases punishment for rape victim.
Saudi court increases punishment for rape victim.
A 19-year old gang-rape victim saw her punishment increased by a Saudi court. The seven rapists had originally received sentences ranging from 10 months to five years in prison, but the victim’s lawyer challenged the sentencing as too light. A Saudi appeals court agreed and made the punishment two to nine years for the rapists. But the Saudi court also increased the punishment for the victim, who had originally received 90 lashes for “meeting with an unrelated male.” The court increased her punishment to six months in prison and 200 lashes. CNN reports:
The judges more than doubled the punishment for the victim because of “her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media,” according to a source quoted by Arab News, an English-language Middle Eastern daily newspaper.
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Hmmm, one justification for illegally attacking Iraq was their poor treatment of women. Can Saudi be far behind? Ha ha ha, not to mention that most of the dudes on 9/11 were Saudi. Hey, an ally of the U.S. attacked the WTC with no retribution. Go figure.
November 17th, 2007 at 2:09 pmRemember, folks…these are our allies. These are the guys Chimpy plays kissy-face with every time they visit.
Remember this next time a troll tries to lecture to you about the evils of Islam.
November 17th, 2007 at 2:11 pm“her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media,†– - It’s a cinch that shows like Nancy Grace’s aren’t broadcast in the kingdom. Hey, maybe them A-rabs are on to something…
November 17th, 2007 at 2:19 pm^^ America in 5 years.
November 17th, 2007 at 2:20 pmfreedom on the march in the Middle East
November 17th, 2007 at 2:28 pmMaybe we could bring this type of justice to, say…….your mother.
November 17th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“Evils of Islam”? What the hell is that? Broad brushes or simple minds?
November 17th, 2007 at 2:32 pm#5
I hope for humanity’s sake you’re kidding; or at the very least you have no wife/kids and never will. There is simply no excuse for this kind of abuse. Now, because this is Islamic law, I can see things being harsher, but not this harsh. Jailtime at best, but the lashings are a bit extreme. And c’mon, she was raped! How do you justify punishing someone who was raped?
November 17th, 2007 at 2:38 pm8. She knew the rules, she broke the law. Hopefully she will learn something from this ass beatin. If only we could bring this kind of justice to, say…………………San Francisco!
Comment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Maybe we could bring this type of justice to, say…….your mother.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — November 17, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Hey Hill Billy, Marcus just said maybe this type of justice should be brought on *your mother*? How do like that, ya little fascist Nazi? You islamofascist, ‘terrist’ supporting piece of donkey doo-doo. Ha. Your mother, that’s a good one. Nicely done, Aurelius. Get out of the country if those are your values, if you condone them. Those are not the values of this country. When in Rome…
November 17th, 2007 at 2:46 pmI hope for humanity’s sake you’re kidding
November 17th, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by Xbot — November 17, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
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Unfortunately he is not kidding, which is why that poster should be flagged for abuse.
11. Maybe we could bring this type of justice to, say…….your mother.
Comment by Marcus Caligulius- November 17, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
To late, she was “bringing that type of justice†to my ass years ago. I also knew the rules!
Comment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
I am truely sorry to hear that, Billy Hill. I apologize for my comments in post 12. I was not aware. That definitely complicates the issue.
November 17th, 2007 at 2:48 pm15. Comment by JoeySoCal — November 17, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
That being said, we should really try as best we can to stop the cycle of violence, not perpetuate it.
November 17th, 2007 at 2:50 pmYou really think Hillary is going to teach these guys a lesson?
November 17th, 2007 at 3:02 pm…Well, they are Friends of the Bushes aren’t they?
November 17th, 2007 at 3:02 pmRemember, folks…these are our allies. These are the guys Chimpy plays kissy-face with every time they visit.
Remember this next time a troll tries to lecture to you about the evils of Islam.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
These are also the folks that attacked us on 9/11 and we protected and helped get out of the country immediately after.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThats the way these guys been treating there women for hundreds of years. I don’t think anything is going to change it. We have our traditions and norms and values. They have theirs. I think if we try and force what we think is right on them. They’ll respond with some bombings or terrorism and keep centuries of Holy War going.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:11 pmBilly Hill:
November 17th, 2007 at 3:12 pmSo if we count 911 as the first good ass whoopin, are you suggesting we need atleast 4 more?
Saudi court increases punishment for rape victim
Are you for real or is this a sick joke? Or maybe you are one of them….
November 17th, 2007 at 3:13 pmAnd we call these people our friends. Simply disgusting.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:16 pmMust be nice – my family’s all f’d up.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:17 pmYou you mean, like our idea of Democracy, right? Duh.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:21 pmHopefully President Hillary Clinton will address this situation. Once Bush is gone we can expect the democrat party to deal with evils of islam. Maybe one or two well place bunker buster in mecca will get their attention.
Comment by Beefeater
Sorry Beef, but even Hillary sees the sense in diplomacy, a word that George Bush doesn’t know the definition of. Also, I am sure that Hillary doesn’t consider Islam (a religion) to be evil as you brain dead 24%ers do. Islam the religion is no more evil than Christianity the religion is. There are people who are evil who practice Islam just as there are people who are evil who practice Christianity.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:21 pmNone of the canadidates during the debate sounded like they were ready to stand up to Iran, Most of them sounded like they wanted out of Iraq pretty fast. I didn’t here any of them mention going into Saudia Arabia.
I didn’t like the last debate it was boring. The one before that was good and action packed. This one seemed like everyone was bowing down paying homage to Hillary.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:22 pmBilbobaggins
I haven’t seen any Christians strapping bombs on their kids and sending them into shopping malls
November 17th, 2007 at 3:25 pmbut without the Saudis we’d be paying a lot more for our gas and we would lose much of our presence in the Gulf.
Comment by Frank M
So Francine, we should ignore human right abuses just so we can get cheap gas at the pump. And what is “our presence in the Gulf”. What right do we have to have “presence in the Gulf”. It is not our land and we have no rights to it. We need to stay the hell out of other countries business. Unless, of course, they attack us like Saudi Arabia did on 911. We should have invaded them and not Iraq.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:27 pmAnd we call these people our friends. Simply disgusting.
Comment by bilbobaggins
The Bush crime family calls these folks our friends… part of the double speak and lies they have dished out to us… all for the theft of our treasury into the strength of corporate gain.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:27 pmBilly Hill
What does what I have or have not learned have to do with this?
Your quote was…
“If you have not had at least 5 good ass whoopin’s in your life you have no clue as to what “real life†and your role in it is all about in combination with the “human experienceâ€. Pain is a good instructor.”
So answer my question. Would atleast 4 more 911’s be your recipe for getting a “clue” to “real life”? Oh and try not to pussy out please
November 17th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI haven’t seen any Christians strapping bombs on their kids and sending them into shopping malls
Comment by Eric T
You may be right. They just make a truck a bomb and send it into a government building in Oklahoma like the good “Christian” Timothy McVeigh did.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:29 pmOr bombed abortion clinics
November 17th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIf you have not had at least 5 good ass whoopin’s in your life you have no clue as to what “real life†and your role in it is all about in combination with the “human experienceâ€.
So Hill Billy was an abused child. I guess that’s the reason why he has become a soulless, heartless neoCON. I am willing to bet that a lot of them were abused children. Abused children generally grow up craving an authority figure in their life to tell them what to do and how to act. And that’s pretty much what the 24%ers are. People who need authority figures in their lives because they have no personal sense of self. God help us and keep us safe from these people.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:33 pm“Must be nice – my family’s all f’d up.”
Comment by Marcus Aurelius —
You’re still taking trolls at their word? Why? He can’t or won’t prove any of it by posting actual names and addresses that can be checked
November 17th, 2007 at 3:34 pm…
November 17th, 2007 at 3:34 pm…
Wow, I’m so glad we have such Compassionate friends…
Yep, wife and 4 grown, law abiding, well behaved contributing members of society.
My sympathies are with these people. I’m sure they are all “law abiding” and “well behaved” members of society. If they aren’t, Hill Billy will beat the tar out of them. What a way to raise a kid. They will most likely become abusers themselves.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:35 pmOR send ANTHRAX to Democratic senators, and for some reason the FBI can’t solve the case.
HMMMMM…..
Anthrax that was military grade and only available at US military institutions. That pretty much says it was an inside job.
Do you think we will ever know the truth about all the crimes the Bushies have committed? I hope so because we certainly need something to clear the scum out of the air of this country. Truth will set us free from this nightmare.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:37 pmMr. Bush has said that he would like to be dictator. Bush has given $9,000,000,000 to the Pakistani military over the last seven years to bribe them to prop up dictator Musharraf. Bush’s father loved and admired the Saudi dictators. Bush’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, admired and supported Hitler and the German Nazis. Bush’s great-grandfather also admired and supported Hitler and the German Nazis. Can you spot a trend here?
November 17th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI do not know if we as a nation need another 9/11 to completely understand the depth of pure hatred held by millions of humans on this earth that spend every waking hr of their miserable lives trying to figure out how to kill us OR how soon we will forget……do you?
Comment by Billy Hill
I feel sorry to hear that you were abused as a child, but that doesn’t excuse your adult self. The hatred many people on this earth feel towards us is well earned. If we would stop minding other people’s business through nation building and preemptive war, and stop killing innocent people, I’m quite sure there would be a lot less people on this earth who want to kill Americans. I can tell you, if I was an Iraqi whose family member was killed by the US, I would hate America just as much as they hate us.
BTW, there is a way to stop the cycle of violence in your family. You just need to recognize what violence does to people and want to change.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:45 pmNope, I don’t have a clue but if you think so highly of the awareness of messages sent and received maybe the focus might be on why IF you are indeed correct why so many might hate and want to kill us. Your use of “niserablle lives” might be a clue. Seems to confer an arrogant sense of superiority. I’ll what till you have a chance to reflect so deeply on messages sent and received.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:46 pmComment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
RAPE is the woman’s fault, right?
wow, someone’s attitudes are disturbingly similar to that of fundamentalists, both Islamic and Christian…
November 17th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThat’s what Ol’ Bill Hill tells his kids while he brutalizes them. Now he imagines the US as the world’s daddy – raping hi dog and beating his wife.
Freekin’ sick redneck.
November 17th, 2007 at 3:51 pm#35
November 17th, 2007 at 3:51 pmThey don’t need to. They send them to the military who trains them and equips them with all sorts of weapons and THEN sends them to a shopping mall…..in some small, poorly defended country that has oil!!
When and where did this happen? What was the name of the mall? What was the date, and what was the name of the child?
November 17th, 2007 at 3:52 pmBarbaric, oh and the Saudi are too, was talking about that a$$hat Hill Billy white trash fascist idiot.
Buck Fush
November 17th, 2007 at 4:06 pmPeople, we are talking about a rape victim
The trolls are justifying the rape by blaming the victim. It speaks volumes about them.
The Bush administration’s endorsement the Saudi Arabian royalty as an ally shows, once again, how hollow their rhetoric about “spreading democracy in the Middle East” actually is.
November 17th, 2007 at 4:14 pm“As we have learned “meeting unrelated males†in some countrys leads to rape.”
There’s so much wrong with your bullshit I won’t waste my breath on you.
November 17th, 2007 at 4:37 pm200 lashes for being raped…….damn.wo should sever all ties with that “Kingdom”…period.
November 17th, 2007 at 4:42 pm“we should sever all ties with that “Kingdomâ€â€¦period.”
No doubt we will. As soon as their oil’s gone.
November 17th, 2007 at 4:46 pm“billy†the PSYOPS
November 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — November 17, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Billy may think he is being clever but today’s BS may just be enough to get his sorry a$$ kicked off this site. The ranks of the trolls has been decimated this week and if enough of us flag him, he will be next.
#68:
One can only hope.
November 17th, 2007 at 4:51 pmit is about a girl “meeting with an unrelated male.â€
Comment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
uh, it’s about a young woman who was gang-raped by 7 men. Whatever punishment she might have deserved for “meeting an unrelated male”, she already more than had her share of it.
It is also about her sentence being increased after she contested the original ruling.
The rest of your post is so backward. You probably don’t know this case is causing a lot of debate even in Saudi Arabia, because the punishment is seeing as unjust and overly harsh.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:04 pmTypo. My sentence should read: “the punishment is seen as unjust and overly harsh.”
November 17th, 2007 at 5:07 pm“When I mention “ass whoopins†it can be both figurative or physical.”
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_11_11_archive.html#3034426456371036318
November 17th, 2007 at 5:20 pmFrom the original article:
“the Qatif General Court also barred al-Lahim (her lawyer) from defending his client and revoked his law license…”
Bush probably thinks that’s a great idea.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI question whether we are ever going to be able to understand the culture of the middle East. This is a horrible story; incomprehensible to us in its injustice, but this is the law and custom of their land.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:28 pmBush and his family have made friends with the Saudis, but do they really understand them? The Saudis are our “allies” but what was the national origin of the 9/11 terrorists.
law and order, authoritarian-mindset, typical conservative, blindly following authority without consideration of the circumstances. Yes, any woman who “meets with an unrelated male.†is just asking to be raped, right? You are the type who blames a woman for “being at the wrong place at the wrong time,” and you know what? You are no better than those who engage in honor killings when it comes to rape victims.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThis is a horrible story; incomprehensible to us in its injustice, but this is the law and custom of their land.
Comment by Marie — November 17, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Without defending the Saudi royal family and their version of Islam, this case is egregious even by the Saudis’ own strict standards.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:47 pmSmall minded and small hearted men who feel inferior denigrate and hurt women. Some cultures (usually the less evolved or less educated) seem to accept & sanction this as governmental policy.
Also not that some religions with roots in prescientific times when women were property…christian & islam spring most notably to mind…tend toward this ownership abuse thing than more civilized ways of thinking.
Somehow brutality towards others makes these men feel better about themselves .
But it is of course, just the ultimate proof of their ugly little smallness.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:53 pm>I haven’t seen any Christians strapping
> bombs on their kids and sending
>them into shopping malls
If they didnt have an entire political party at their beck and call, they would be. You Xtians can get just as nutty, but luckily (for you, not us), your political agendas are not stifled by the government like the nutty islamists in the middle east are. If you guys didnt have the political influence to force your creepy, hipocritical beleifs on all the rest of us, some of you would be flying planes into buildings just like the islamic nuts. Actually, you guys dont have the balls to stay in the planes when they hit, so you’d probably be going the route of your christian brother Timmy McVeigh. Strange, actually, your unwilingness to die for your cause, considering your just as deluded about the fact your going to a better place as the muslims are.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:49 pm>Remember, folks…these are our allies. These are the guys Chimpy plays >kissy-face with every time they visit.
Yes, and also, lets not forget, Saudi Arabia has government sanctioned TELETHONS, frikking TELETHONS for Hamas. So yes, they are blatant, televised sponsors of terror. They are, and were much greater sponsors of terror than our old ally Saddam EVER was. I love it how idiots like Daryll insist Iraq deserved to be bombed because they sponsored terror but don’t think Saudi Arabi deserves to be bombed for the same reason.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:52 pmFirst thing Monday morning, republicans will make statements vilifying the Saudi judges as activist judges. Oh, wait… no, they won’t.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:53 pmMarcus
Go to google and look up children suicide bombers. They are mostly Hamas not Saudi, sorry. The Saudi’s, the Taliban, Hizbollah, Islamic Jihad and alot of Muslim countries treat women differently than we do here. They can have as many wifes as they want, they can beat them. I’m not saying its better or worse, its just different. Over here a woman can snap her fingers and if the man she is with doesn’t dance to her tune, she can call the police tell them he beat her and he’ll get hauled away, thrown in jail, huge fines and court costs, have to go to Anger Management classes, have a stain on his record. even if he did’nt hit her and she made up every bit of it. I personally feel the woman in the story was treated very unfairly. And there are probably thousands more that go thru the same thing. I just don’t see how your going to convience the Muslims our system is better.
November 17th, 2007 at 7:11 pmPlease ignore the misogynistic troll.
November 17th, 2007 at 7:20 pmI fell into that catagory, my kids did not but thanks for the concern.
Comment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Why is he talking about his goats?
November 17th, 2007 at 8:02 pmMy attempt to lighten with levity should be understood. My wishes for all is only the best. Cheer up, its a great day to be an American.
Comment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Yeah, thanks for that BH. the mood is really light around here now. One can never get enough laughs on a thread about the victim of rape getting punished along with her rapists.
F_ck off, prick.
November 17th, 2007 at 8:15 pmUnless you guys like giving tons of money to these guys why don’t the Democrats and Republicans work together, pass a good energy bill that allows for drilling more for oil here. Promotes ethanol, the electric car, biofuels. solar, wind and any other good idea anyones got. Why give these guys top dollar for crude.
NRA Gun Nutes: I seen NRA and that is what brought me to this site. I think there should be two political parties get rid of Democrats and Republicans and replace them with NRA and Gun Owners of America.
Troll Buster’ Its a heavy topic if my material offended ya, sorry
November 17th, 2007 at 8:51 pmShe knew the rules, she broke the law. Hopefully she will learn something from this ass beatin. If only we could bring this kind of justice to, say…………………San Francisco!
Comment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
And what do you have to say about bringing this same “kind of justice” to the closet gays in the WH, who invited male hooker/phony journalist Jeff Gannon/James Guckert not only to press conferences but also for overnights?
November 17th, 2007 at 9:08 pmMy posts are for your entertainment and are done free of charge. You will notice I NEVER attack anyone using fowl(SIC) language of ANY kind.
Comment by Billy Hill — November 17, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
For your information, “fowl” is a domesticated bird like a chicken or turkey. And, yes, it is true that you have never said “cockadoodle-doo” to anyone here.
November 17th, 2007 at 9:12 pmAnd THIS would be why you need to keep church and state separate.
For the record, Saudi Arabia was the last country to officially outlaw slavery. In 1969. Yes, less than 40 years ago.
November 17th, 2007 at 9:54 pmJeremy,
I think the fundies would LOVE to see “immoral” women receive 200 lashes. It’s the stuff of wet dreams…
November 17th, 2007 at 10:01 pmAGAIN…..for those who think the Saudis are our allies…..when Bush walked hand in hand with the Saudi Prince for the cameras……..for those Bush devotees who saw this as his ‘cultural sensitivity’ …….this was merely a signal to the whole Arab world that Bush was his *itch!!
November 17th, 2007 at 10:35 pmThat’s just par for the course for the Saudis. Consider this excerpt from a report by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom:
“In one case, the Commission was told of a foreign domestic worker who had become pregnant after being raped by her employer. She was subsequently imprisoned because it is illegal for female foreign workers to become pregnant in Saudi Arabia if they are not married.”
http://www.uscirf.gov/countries/region/middleast/saudi/saudiReport.pdf
And if the ruling of that judge amazes you, guess who he looks to for controlling legal precedent:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7645118/
Saudi society is saturated with this crap. It’s truly endemic:
http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
November 18th, 2007 at 12:24 amBut we must attack Iran because they treat the women and the gays so poorly!!!
November 18th, 2007 at 2:37 amSmgumby,
I just read an article on Iran executing gays, I think the Muslims are much stricter than the Christians. This country was found on religious freedom, by Christians, anyone, can come here and worship whatever they want, whether it is Satan, money, Buddah, somebody’s rear end, that’s why this country is where all the immigrants want to come to. You don’t see people racing to get into Iran.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:57 amBeing Bush’s bossom buddies, perhaps the Saudi’s will even let Bush deliver the 200 lashes. I’m sure he would love that. If not that, perhaps someone will video tape it for him. He still has all those video tapes from Abu Ghraib. Bush is into S&M.
November 18th, 2007 at 10:22 amPehaps for good measure they will let Cheney shoot her in the face, and then make her apologize to him.
November 18th, 2007 at 10:24 amBetter yet, I hope a PATRIOTIC US soldier wounded puts a bullet through the head of Karl Rove for his TREASON…
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
YEAH!!!
Better yet, I hope a PATRIOTIC US soldier wounded puts a bullet through the head of bush for his TREASON…
Better yet, I hope a PATRIOTIC US soldier wounded puts a bullet through the head of Chezney for his TREASON…
Better yet, I hope a PATRIOTIC US soldier wounded puts a bullet through the head of Rummie for his TREASON…
November 18th, 2007 at 11:23 amI think the fundies would LOVE to see “immoral†women receive 200 lashes. It’s the stuff of wet dreams…
Comment by Zooey
Zooey,
November 18th, 2007 at 11:25 amThe REAL question is what is the “executioner” doing with his OTHER hand whilst delivering said lashes? Now THAT is the question.
Why do the Saudi’s have a hand in terrorism against the United States, and get away with it?
It’s OK if you’re a Saudi?
November 18th, 2007 at 11:29 amanyone in their right mind who thinks on any level that a woman who has been raped should be punished is sick. I don’t care what your political beliefs or personal beliefs are, it is sick and it is wrong. Anyone who condones it has serious issues. Whether they live in Texas or CT or anywhere. IT’S JUST WRONG!
November 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmAnd to think that George Bush, the old one and the young one, KISS THE FACES OF SAUDI LEADERS ALL THE TIME.
November 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pm100 – but it’s ok for Dubbie and Cheney to wreck the whole world for their deluded fantasies of principle? wtf? Which adults, exactly – Karen Hughes??????
November 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmsave the “high white horse” routine, stud. pompous only sells in righty quarters. bushco has done nothing but discredit democracy worldwide and devalue ours at home. if you think i’m fool enough to attempt to condense an answer to your challenge into a couple of paragraphs, then we don’t need to wonder who the “smart guy” really is.
funny – lefties are “terrorist sympathizers”, but it’s perfectly OK for righty power-brokers to suck saudi dick – nice worldview you’ve got working there, genius.
November 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI think of how much I love my wife and how I’d feel if my wife was the women in that story. The woman was a victim, then punished for being a victim. To look and try to find for hope for them, I see how our military intervention in Afghanistan had created a better life for women oppressed by the Taliban.
I’ve read that women in Afghanistan are treated better now under the Nato government than when the Taliban had full control.
Some of the people on this site make it sound as if there is are some democrats out there ready to lay some 500 pound “daisy cutters” on the Saudi’s. 911 hijackers, $100 a barrel oil. During the debates I did’nt hear anything close. I’d like to hear more about the candidates that have this view. I have heard some of the dems talk of going into Pakistan after Bin Laden. He still needs to be dealt with. It is ashame some of the countries receiving millions in foreign aid haven’t put more effort into helping us find him.
With WorldWar1 the alliances between countries had brought millions of deaths to countries that nothing to do with The Archduke getting Assassinated in Yugoslavia. Wars are also very costly. And starting a war you risk alliances forming of equal or greater power But to stop genocide or threats to the American People it could be necessary. Iran, China, and Russia are large powers that could decimate the U.S. and they are allies. The U.S can’t tell every country in the world how to run their countries. The holy wars go back Centuries. And the Muslims still do things their way and the Christian Countries and Israel still have their, traditions, values, and holidays.
George Bush or Bill Clinton are not running for reelection. The American people gotta decide who is going to command the one of the most powerful militaries on the planet.
November 18th, 2007 at 10:32 pmI just don’t feel good about Hillary taking the job, some of the other candidates had some bright spots here and there. What if Bill and Hillary got a divorce. The French President just went thru that. It could happen.?
Funny how the wingnuts suddenly expressed concern about the plight of women and the GLBT community in Iran, but stay silent when it concerns our “ally,” Saudi Arabia.
November 18th, 2007 at 11:04 pm>I think the fundies would LOVE to see “immoral†women receive 200 >lashes. It’s the stuff of wet dreams…
and a 10 part dvd series as well…
November 18th, 2007 at 11:49 pmThis story is why; you don’t tolerate things just because somebody’s imaginary friend made the rules.
Seriously, some things are just wrong and this is that, wrong. Stuff the culture, stuff the “We must understand” and stuff the whole respect for other people.
This is what it means to let calls for tolerance to silence debate, what it means when we as a society allow religion to hold some holy place in our cultural debate.
Should the west declare war over this? Not directly. We need to dump oil as a required resource, we need to stop funding these pigs and start marginalising them. What this verdict shows is that they are evil, and if calling them evil offends them GOOD.
If offensive pictures of Mohammed gets them rioting and killing each other, then get your pencils out because I have lost any and all sympathy with the Middle East over this.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:25 amAs much as it is wrong, you look on the news today and you see. Taliban mutilates police officer. 100 years from now the Taliban will still be there, the Shites and Sunnis and Hamas, Al Asqa, Al Qaida, Hezbollah, they will still be here, Still doing prayer 5 times a day,
We have injustice like that here in our land. in our Prison system. It is the same thing but reversed. The prison rape!!! Punished than victimized.
Chocalate Jesus: Which one of the libs running for president is going to go give our pals like Mushareff or King Abdullah or the guy from Egypt a “Dirty Sanchez”?
111. Our country needs to lighten up on the political correctness and stay true to its roots. When they want to break out the Koran to prove a reason they need five wifes, beatings, rape and Islamic Law over here in our land and say ” We need our religious freedom”. You need to draw a line and say this is not how we do it over here.
NRA Gun nutes: How do you feel about the Clinton Gun Ban, Rebecca Peters at the U.N. I thought Bush did a wonderful job preserving the 2nd Amendment. He get a A+++ rating from me. He is still the President. I’d even take a bullet to protect him, that stuff your saying is kinda on the threatning side. Change your handle your going to make the NRA look bad.
November 19th, 2007 at 11:37 amRight-Wing justice!!!
November 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pm