Krongard protests Waxman hearing.
By on Nov 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Krongard protests Waxman hearing.
Last week, House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) announced that he will hold a hearing after Thanksgiving recess to investigate discrepancies between statements on Blackwater by State Department Inspector General Howard Krongard and those of his brother. Howard Krongard’s lawyer has now written to Waxman and asked him to cancel the hearing. “There is no legitimate purpose to be gained by publicly pitting two brothers against each other,” Barbara Van Gelder wrote.
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Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 18th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWhat is the point? All they’ll do is prove that another Republican is a liar & thief. Is that really necessary? No punishment will follow, and if it did GWB would simply pardon the buffoon.
November 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pmWhen you think about it, this makes as much sense as proving the next Republican is a closet homosexual. Between being a thief, liar & closet homosexual there’s little surprises in the Republican party. If you want real news find a Rep with integrity. Now that would be worthy of a hearing.
November 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmHuh? A potentially criminal matter should be dropped because 2 corrupt brothers might have colluded to obstruct justice?
Ye Gods!!! The GOOPers have cleaved off from reality completely.
Of course, Schrubb could declare the entire matter a national security issue, and claim Exec privilege. The brothers could just choose to ignore any subpoenas. Perhaps they’ll publicly tell Waxman to go F- himself and then say afterwards it made them feel better. And of course, Schrubb can always pardon them or commute their sentence.
The possibilities are endless in GOOPerland!!!
November 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmOh wait! I forgot one more really good reason to not pursue this.
Cookie and Buzzy Shouldn’t be burdened w/ the cost of defending themselves in court.
Perhaps if they were just grounded for a month and given extra chores to do… Cookie and Buzzy AREN’T kids? W/ names like that, they’re full grown men who should understand the ramifications of their actions? Huh… who’d athought!
November 18th, 2007 at 3:56 pmBoo Hoo Bushites are crying a river.
The Krongards are the biggest pack of inbred government leeches since the Fabulous Kagan’s.
-GSD
November 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmThe fact they are “brothers” has no relevance. The issue is whether or not a perjury attempt was made. Isn’t that what Republicans impeached Clinton for?
November 18th, 2007 at 4:04 pmi agree… a hearing on this accomplished absolutely nothing, particularly when ignored congressional suppoenas are sitting on the table… all waxman is doing here is jacking off his own ego… what he NEEDS to do is lobby every single one of his house colleagues to declare meiers and bolton in inherent contempt of congress and THEN schedule a hearing on sibel edmonds… that MIGHT salvage some of his credibility, altho’ he’s so far in the hole with me right now, i doubt if i’m salvageable…
November 18th, 2007 at 4:07 pmAnd, yes, I DO take it personally
But, but the Republican Smear Machine said that Valerie Wilson was ‘fair game’ and the fact that her husband went on a fact finding mission was proof enough of corruption.
Goose, meet Turdblossom smelling gander.
-GSD
November 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmtypical Righty crybaby-ism at its best. we’ll be getting loads of that for a long time to come. hey – maybe buzzie, or coochie, or whatever these blue-blood pantywaists want to call themselves, could get Boehner to blubber for him on the Congressional Record – that’d make a proud moment for them….
November 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmHa, Ha, Ha! another ‘dog ate my homework’ defense from the criminally stupid Bushies. They all suffer from Spoiled Brat Disease and would greatly benefit (as would our society) from a disciplinary spanking that our jails would adequately provide.
November 18th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI wonder, is Cookie’s lawyer a graduate of Regent University? Because that is an extremely stupid rationale for not pursuing an investigation into possible perjury. The fact that they are siblings is irrelevant (as was pointed out before). Now, if they were husband and wife, it might be different. But they’re not, so it isn’t.
November 18th, 2007 at 4:28 pmThere is no legitimate purpose to be gained by publicly pitting two brothers against each other,†Barbara Van Gelder wrote.
Ahh Yeah telling lies to a congressional committee should not be a crime,it’s only when Dems lie it should be a crime.
November 18th, 2007 at 4:31 pmThis Barbara Van Gelder seems to enjoy defending corrupt Republicans. She represented both former FDA Chief Lester Crawford and former procurement chief David Safavian. She should have no shortage of clients for her specialty practice.
November 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pm“…no legitimate purpose to be gained by publicly pitting two brothers against each other…â€
November 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pm– – Uh huh, tne brothers grim.
Have the neocons succeeded in decriminalizing perjury? The last I heard it’s a felony.
November 18th, 2007 at 4:49 pmOho! Yes there is plenty of reason to pit two brothers against each other when it’s a case of perjury involved. On to the hearings….
November 18th, 2007 at 4:55 pmA great quote from a local radio call-in show.
“If the Republicans are really sick of all the investigations; they should remove the criminals from their own party.”
November 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pmlets look at Neil, Jeb and George Bush.
November 18th, 2007 at 5:09 pmPoor babies!
November 18th, 2007 at 5:27 pmTwo greedy, lying bastards.
Their lawyer is setting herself up for as much ridicule as her client.
To George W Bush and all his supporters… there never was a need to pit Americans against each other by endorsing the “either you are with me or you are against me” policy of the Bush administration. There, I said, now that was easy.
November 18th, 2007 at 5:53 pmFor 6 of the 8 years that President Bill Clinton was in office, the Republican controlled Congress wasted billions of taxpayers money on pointless investigations. But, hey, Ken Starr is one rich son of a b*tch.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThey fight! and bite!
They fight and bite and fight!
Fight, fight, fight!
Bite, bite, bite!
The Cookie and Buzzy Show!
LOL! Another saga of As the Cookie Crumbles.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:09 pm“There is no legitimate purpose to be gained by publicly pitting two brothers against each other,â€
Sure there is. One brother lied to Congress. And what’s up with Bush admin people testifying while NOT under oath? Can’t Congress compel them to testify under oath. Has there ever been an administration that refused to allow it’s employees to testify under oath? I know that Clinton allowed his people to testify under oath. He even allowed the AG to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate HIM!
Now that’s a class act. Followed by a clown and a crook.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:11 pm#22 I would hardly call pursuit of one who has perjured himself before Congress with regard to investigating corruption in Iraq a “witch hunt”. Technically, since you don’t seem to comprehend the meaning of the term, “witch hunt” indicates an attempt to create something which does not exist. Witch Hunt would not be appropriate in this case. Krongard hung himself by lying to Congress.
This is not a case of much ado about nothing. The entire Bush Cabal is lying their asses off to the people and it’s about time that congress pursue a perjury charge against this Bushitco crony.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI predict that this coming year will be a Republican “scandal du jour” – there are so many perverts in the GOP, hypocrites, liars, and perjurers, not to even touch upon laws broken which will not be unearthed until the chimp vacates the White house……I would think that by the first quarter of 08, it will be a foregone conclusion that the Republican candidates are wasting their time. The Republican party is going down in flames before our eyes right now. Nothing but charred tatters and ash will be left of them prior to the election.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThis is just a test…to see if my password actually works…please delete…
November 18th, 2007 at 6:16 pmThanks! Carl
Bilbo: When the refuse to be sworn in, it’s a certain indication that they intend to lie their asses off. This IS the Bush MO.
Incidentally, just had to let you guys in on this one. University of Florida is having Gonzo come to speak next week in Gainesville. Get this: Gonzo wanted to 1)hand select the members of the media to be present ….2) not permit the newspapers to disclose the amount he is being paid for his appearance (which, BTW, is $40,000) 3) Position his podium so his notes can’t be seen by the public and 4) make every individual submit their question on an index card which he will then “hand select” to have read.
WTF?? How the University of Florida would besmerch their reputation by having this disgraced perjuring AG appear and even pay him to do so is beyond my comprehension.
Thought you guys would want to know this. The article appeared in the “independent florida alligator” – a campus newspaper as well as probably The Gainesville Sun.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment by Veritas — November 18, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
I’m not so sure though, as is typical, the Republicriminals have it backwards. I mean, seriously, would it be possible for a guy who can’t master basic concepts (like think then act, chew then swallow, study then decide) to become President if there weren’t a deal with Satan?
November 18th, 2007 at 6:19 pmI forgot to tell you that the Univ. of Florida DID NOT comply with Gonzo’s requirement #1 and #2. They will go along with the podium positioning, wireless microphone, and nearby water. Despite the University not complying with his wishes, Whimpo is still agreeing to come. Could it be that he needs that $40,000 for his new defense fund so he’s out prostitituing himself?
November 18th, 2007 at 6:19 pmhttp://www.alligator.org/articles/2007/11/08/news/campus/gonzales.txt
Here’s the link about Gonzo.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:24 pmA great quote from a local radio call-in show.
“If the Republicans are really sick of all the investigations; they should remove the criminals from their own party.â€
Comment by pete — November 18, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
My first thought after reading was:
November 18th, 2007 at 6:29 pmWho would be left, for them to still have a republican party?
Who would be left, for them to still have a republican party?
Comment by Wayne — November 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
There are a few left. Though, I must admit, they are rare and many are removing themselves from their corrupt party. Baring a catastrophe the current crop of neocons will be crushed. Whether the party survives them, or a new party rises on the backs of the honorable few, remains to be seen.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:34 pmYet another dem-led witch-hunt. No wonder the people are fed up with a Congess (is the approval soon in single digits?) that wastes all its time and energy on pointless investigations instead of concentrating on legislation.
Comment by Frank M
Sorry Francine, but the people are fed up with the Republiscum members of Congress who are obstructionists. And they are fed up with the Democrats for NOT playing hardball with the Republiscums. And why should they bother to concentrate on legislation? All that happens is that the Republiscums threaten a veto or Bush vetoes it. Personally I would like to see the Democrats announce that since they can’t pass any legislation due to Republiscum obstruciton, they will spend the remaining 14 months of Bush’s reign of terror by investigating every crime they have ever committed. And I would love to see them start to play hard ball by using Inherent Contempt to force the Republiscums to testify.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:36 pmI predict that this coming year will be a Republican “scandal du jour†– there are so many perverts in the GOP, hypocrites, liars, and perjurers, not to even touch upon laws broken which will not be unearthed until the chimp vacates the White house
One could only hope. But, this isn’t going to happen unless the Democrats start playing hard ball and use Inherent Contempt to force these criminals to testify.
As long as the Democrats allow them to testify without being under oath and allow them to ignore subpoenas, nothing is going to change.
It’s beginning to look like the Democrats have finally gotten a clue and have decided to start playing hardball. I’m hoping they follow through, but I’m not going to get my hopes up too much. I don’t think I could stand being disappointed once again.
Anyone besides me notice that Frank M (aka Francine) comes here, throws mud on the wall then splits. What a coward she is.
November 18th, 2007 at 6:57 pmSomebody call the waaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance!
November 18th, 2007 at 7:08 pm.
Despotism is always excuse enough!
.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:11 pmWhy to you support such blatant criminals???
Comment by RemoveBush — November 18, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
I’m guessing an irrational fear of brown people coupled with a complete lack of “character”.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:26 pmInteresting — just did some checking on the law firm she’s with — Wiley and Rein — up until February 2007 it was Wiley, Rein and Fielding — as in Fred Fielding, Dubya’s WH counsel.
What a tanged web of deceit.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:33 pmFigure it out, stop being naive.
Comment by DreamCrusher — November 18, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Try that yourself. A covert CIA officer, working on WMD, was outed by the Republican administration as payback for her husband’s daring to tell the truth to the American people. Both Wilsons are heroes and patriots. Any other viewpoint is based on partisan ignorance, treason, or both. You can parse away, you have nothing but your whining.
November 18th, 2007 at 7:58 pmAh yes, everyone who disagrees with you must be racist. You people are truly a special bunch. Hitler would be proud of the way you demonize your political opposition.
Comment by DreamCrusher — November 18, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
disagreement doesn’t mean racissm, but you trolls are, in fact, agroup of racists, afraid of anyone who coesn’t look like you and your whitebread “leadership” of scumsucking toadies. You have made no case, DC, and you have made a fool of yourself, once again. Libby was found guilty by a jury, and he had the best lawyers money could buy, usually resulting in a walk for a rich white man. He is as guilty as sin, and belongs behind bars for treason, but you will excuse him because Joe Wilson stood up to your bully-boy thiugs, and showed America what worthless, greedy assholes they (and you) are. Too bad, wingnut, take your medicine like a man istead of whining like a little baby.
November 18th, 2007 at 8:02 pmHas it really been told? Where’s all the evidence? Where are all these people Plame referred to? Why didn’t she tell the committee this back in 2004?
Dreamcruiser, you must realize by now that the reason she didn’t make the same statement’s is because a partisan committee never asked the salient questions. Too bad for you, you lose again.
next sucker.
November 18th, 2007 at 8:04 pmLibby goes to jail for not keeping his story straight to a grand jury. Now this?
See, you ignorant pushole, Libby didn’t go to jail for “not keeping his story straight” ( we call it lying here in the real world), he was pardoned by a corrupt, America-hating, election-stealing coward. You have no concept of fact or truth.
Loser.
November 18th, 2007 at 8:06 pmHey DreamCrusher
JUst WTF does ANYTHING about PLAME have to do with this thread?
Now, you are so full of SH|T becasue Plame has give one, and ONLY one version of what happened. And it DOES NOT MATTER who sent Joe on his trip. IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE TRUTH THAT THE VP’s OFFICE OUTED VALERIE. NOTHING WHATSOEVER.
YOu do nothing but obsficate, and confound EVERY FU(KING ISSUE, you panty-assed, pussy America Haters. I can’t wait till we string your asses up by your neck.
Hemp or nylon.
November 18th, 2007 at 8:12 pmFu(king traitors, every last one of you pieces of SH|T.
Good point, Bush is a traitor, even if Plame sent Wilson personally, it has noting to do with Rove’s treason. Very good point. evasion and character assassination, the dull tools of the rightard slime machine. They don’t work here, only on FAUX Snooz, news for morons.
November 18th, 2007 at 8:16 pmsomething tells me a troll had his dreams, and nuts, crushed…
November 18th, 2007 at 8:30 pmComment by DreamCrusher — November 18, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
As I said, it was a guess. There could be any number of other reasons. Feel free to demonstrate your human qualities. We don’t consider it a weakness.
November 18th, 2007 at 8:35 pmPerhaps the DC troll doesn’t know what I mean by “human qualities”? Here’s a short list. Generosity, compassion, altruism, understanding, sacrifice, rationality, honesty. Do any of those ring any bells?
November 18th, 2007 at 9:00 pmCause it proves corruption at every level of this admistration?
Nah, couldn’t be that.
Buck Fush
November 18th, 2007 at 9:14 pmAh yes, everyone who disagrees with you must be racist. You people are truly a special bunch. Hitler would be proud of the way you demonize your political opposition.
Comment by DreamCrusher — November 18, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
actually, KKKarl is the proud one.
November 18th, 2007 at 9:17 pm“no legitimate purpose to be gained by publicly pitting two brothers against each other”
Absolutely correct. Therefore I am calling the judicial system to free every inmate who has been convicted when the conviction is derived, in part, from the testimony of a family member. Additionally, I am calling for the instant dismissal of all justice and police officials who have participated in questioning a family member.
Waterboarding = good. Questioning brothers = bad.
November 18th, 2007 at 9:27 pmWhy was “Dreamcrusher” even discussing Valerie Plame on this thread?
It’s about “Cookie” and “Buzzy”, and seeing as “Cookie” recused himself from the investigation, and “Buzzy” resigned from Blackwater, as soon as the truth came out, I’d say there’s a really good reason to investigate this mess. Now, when will “Cookie” do the right thing and resign as IG?
Indeed, poor li’l dreamcrusher had his nuts crushed for him.
November 18th, 2007 at 9:28 pmIndeed, poor li’l dreamcrusher had his nuts crushed for him.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 18, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
I’m soooo disappointed. I thought we were finally going to hear about all the noble goals of the neocons.
/sarc off
November 18th, 2007 at 9:33 pmNo word yet on whether Waxman will call Mrs. Plame Wilson in to explain her various versions of what happened before her husband was sent to Niger…
Oh, lookie here, another RW troll dumber than a rock. Just flag it as “abuse”, and wave bye-bye to the cute little troll…
Cheers,
November 18th, 2007 at 9:35 pmI thought we were finally going to hear about all the noble goals of the neocons.
Comment by pete — November 18, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
What noble goals would they be? Will li’l dreamie be taking a wide stance
on the issues, ala Larry Craig? Will he talk about turning over a new page, ala mark Foley?
Or will he sing the praises of Brusch’s “No Child’s Behind Left Alone” program (too many to list)? Pray tell? Wondering minds are waiting.
November 18th, 2007 at 9:46 pmProvide the PROOF of what you say….. Provide LINKS and evidence to support your claim…..
When you do/if you do, then we’ll talk. Otherwise YOU are just echoing the LIES of the Administration….
Comment by RemoveBush
Providing proof is not in the RNC Play Book. That book says, if they challenge you and ask you to prove what you are saying, head for the hills or introduce a strawman to change the subject. They have an entire chapter on the strawman argument.
November 18th, 2007 at 9:57 pmI know it is off topic but I have to say this. First they say that Valerie Plame was just a “glorified secretary” and then they say that she was powerful enough in the CIA to personally, all by her little ole lonesome, send her husband on a junket for the Vice President. Talk about blowing smoke. They really can’t make up their minds which way they want to play it, can they?
November 18th, 2007 at 10:02 pmComment by bilbobaggins — November 18, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
The whole bunch, of neocons, combined don’t have the integrity of a single lab-rat. After all, there are some things a lab-rat just won’t do.
November 18th, 2007 at 10:08 pmComment by DreamCrusher — November 18, 2007
Hey dipshit, Valerie and Joe were registered republicans. They were shit on by their own party. You people are the scum of the earth. Anything for money or power. It won’t be long until you have neither. And yes…you are a dipshit!
November 18th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThere is every legitimate purpose to be gained by publicly pitting two lying bastards against each other!
November 19th, 2007 at 12:18 am68 – teenfluffer knows the wilson’s just pretended to be Republicans to make dubbie look bad – it had been their plan since the ’70’s, when dubbie made them jealous by throwing a more successful kentucky derby party, right teenfluffer?
November 19th, 2007 at 12:23 amWheres Kilo to lecture us about all the fine, upstanding, non-incestual oversight Blackwater has?
> Where’s all the evidence?
Of what? Saddams WMD?
>OK, read Plame’s testimony earlier this year. Then read the report put out >in 2004, where she testified.
Read bush’s speeches about not being the world’s sheriff and about the prudence of timetables before he got elected. Then read Bush’s post-election drivel about how timetables help the enemy, and about how america has to be the worlds sheriff to be safe.
Read cheneys predictions from 1994 that invading iraq would be a quagmire. Then read his assertions of 2002 that it would be a cakewalk.
Since when have people like you been sticklers for consistencey? is this something new?
November 19th, 2007 at 3:09 am“smeared†BETRAYUS?? Telling the TRUTH is only a “smear†to ENEMIES of the USA like Bush, Rush, BETRAYUS and YOU…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — September 29, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Please don’t forget that telling the truth is ALSO a “SMEAR” to Hillary Clinton, the GOP’s Girl for 2008.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:39 amKrongard is a disgrace to the office of Inspector General–corrupt, deceitful, and arrogant–Waxman is not pitting brother against brother–he is pitting the former IG against the truth! If he told the truth, he has nothing to fear.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:05 amSee, these are simple things a critical thinker evaluates and thinks about. None of you apparently have even considered such things, because you are too busy gulping down what Think Progress serves you. Uncritically. By the barrel.
Comment by DreamCrusher — November 19, 2007 @ 5:13 am
wow! project much? You haven’t the faintest idea of what really happened, doyou? did you get all of your “Information” from Drudge or Rush? now we know where you really stand, and it certainly isn’t with America. How about just one reason why two registered Republican patriots would have done this? Just one. You are so gullible, it’s a shame.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:00 amPlease don’t forget that telling the truth is ALSO a “SMEAR†to Hillary Clinton, the GOP’s Girl for 2008.
Comment by loretta — November 19, 2007 @ 6:39 am
ooh nice ad hominem with nothing to back it up, tuypical of the fear and smear party, the GOP party of treason!
November 19th, 2007 at 8:02 am“no legitimate purpose to be gained by publicly pitting two brothers against each other”
Really? Romulus and Remus, now there’s an insignifigant pair… How about the originals, Cain and Abel? And what of Atilla and his forgotten sibling?
And can we ever forget the billion dollar double-deal brought to us so publicly in their ugly lawsuits and countersuits, by the Koch Brothers of Kansas?
Funny how so many of these Republican sacred cows (fraternity, fidelity and heterosexuality) are only sacred when the public wants them butchered.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:54 amBTW, Didn’t “Dreamcrusher” show up here shortly after the 2006 election embarassment for the Republicans?
Whose dreams got crushed (and are getting more thoroughly squashed even as we speak) in that historic election?
None but Turdblossom and his fellows in the Great Neocon Delusion.
Now. as if to repair their broken vessel, they plague our blogs with these imaginary experts, contrarian naysayers whose cues we all recognize come from the usual suspects like Another Big Rush Limbaugh, Sean “don’t laugh at me” Hannity, and Michael “I call myself Savage cuz I’m really a chickenshirt wussy” watzizname.
Just the name “Dreamcrusher” is laughable, considering it should really be be “Dreamscrushed 06.” If they weren’r desperate, they wouldn’t be so compulsively consumed with subverting “The Blogs”.
At least they know who beat them. It wasn’t the MSM.
Viva la Blogs!
And as for all our newfound trollish tripesayers, by their fruits we shall know them.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:05 amWhen one brother vouches for another that he has no dealings with a company under investigation and it’s found that he does then yes, it does warrant an investigation. A critical thinker would understand that a part of our democratic process.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:32 am