O’Reilly Runs Ad For ‘Vile’ Movie That He Claims Hurts ‘Our Troops’ And Helps ‘The Terrorists’
O’Reilly Runs Ad For ‘Vile’ Movie That He Claims Hurts ‘Our Troops’ And Helps ‘The Terrorists’
For two months now, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly has been using his various media perches to criticize and attack Brian De Palma’s controversial new film, Redacted, which was financed by Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. The film centers around a fictionalized portrayal of “the true story of a group of U.S. soldiers who raped and killed a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and murdered members of her family.”
O’Reilly kicked off his campaign against the film with a column in September, saying the filmmakers “should be ashamed” because “they are hurting their own country.” He sharpened his attacks last week, calling for a boycott of the “vile,” “anti-American” film during multiple segments on his show. In a second column, O’Reilly compared Cuban and DePalma to Charles Manson:
There is no excuse for “Redacted.” The incident is based on a true story, but those who committed the crimes are in prison for life. You don’t celebrate this kind of aberration with a movie–you don’t brand the U.S. military with this stigma.
Charles Manson is an American too, but does he represent this country in any way? Of course not. And I believe even the odious Manson would not make a movie like “Redacted.”
Cuban has responded to O’Reilly’s criticism by claiming that the Fox News star is mischaracterizing the film and attacking it without having seen it. Last week, in order to test “O’Reilly’s motivation” for his campaign, Cuban bought ad time for the film during The O’Reilly Factor. The ad ran during the Nov. 15 edition of the show.
Watch a compilation of O’Reilly’s attacks on Cuban and the ad he aired:
According to Cuban, the point of the ad buy was to see if the issue “really was important to Mr. O’Reilly, or whether” he “would say whatever he needed to say to get more people to watch.” Cuban said he had no problem whatsoever obtaining the time:
I had someone call FoxNews and tell them specifically, unequivocally that we wanted to run an ad for the movie Redacted. The same movie Bill OReilly was so upset about.
They said no problem. Do you want to run the ads in both the live show and the repeat?
Our first reaction was that this was just the sales department and at some point , someone at FoxNews would step in and stop the ads from running. The call to say they were stopping the ads never came.
The ad ran in both shows. Here is a link with Bill’s smiling face at the end.
O’Reilly has yet to comment on the fact that his show is now profiting off the promotion of a film he claims is “hurting our troops and helping the terrorists.”
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Sometimes I wonder if O’Reilly is really the biggest fake troll out there.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmNice work Cuban. LOVE IT!!!
November 19th, 2007 at 4:11 pmDid they use Willy Pete in the movie? No? Oh yeah, that was in real life.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
November 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pmHurting the troops, helping the terrerists, and lining Biley’s pockets.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmHmmm.
Falafel king is still going for the gold on the Olbermann show.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmMore proof that reich-wingers will do ANYTHING for money, including selling out their own [perverse] beliefs.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmDr. Matt
November 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmMore proof that reich-wingers will do ANYTHING for money, including selling out their own [perverse] beliefs.
When your only belief is getting more money, you’re not really selling out anything you hold dear to achieve your goals.
“Arrogance Is horrifying” —- Might be the PROJECTION of the YEAR, Billo.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmManson? WTF does Charles Manson have to do with this movie, or the incident that inspired it? Bill-O is just batsh!t.
Helter Skelter, Bill.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmWhat an ass.
The difference between this guy and Colbert gets smaller by the week, except that oliely’s humor is unintentional.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmIsn’t it amazing that it took someone like Mark Cuban to demonstrate the hypocrisy that is Bill O’Reilly?
November 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWhile I support our troops, and I recognize the frustrating and difficult job they have, there are some members of our armed forces that have made me less than proud. This would include the soldiers at Abu Ghraib and the soldiers profiled in this movie.
It’s probably not a movie that I would want to see. It’s probably not a movie that too many people want to see. That is, until O’Reilly gave it a huge boost of publicity.
We have already p!ssed off most of the Middle East. The story of the soldiers raping and murdering is already out there. I really don’t see how a movie is going to change the attitudes of people who already hate us.
What it MAY do is show another side of the military to Americans that would be embarrassing for the rah rah war crowd like O’Reilly.
Whether the depictions of the military in the movie are true or not, it should at least generate some questions.
I support the troops. But I expect them to adhere to certain standards. And I expect them to be accountable to the American public.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmMr. Cuban, I urge you, beg you, to use your enormous wealth to start purchasing some media! TV, Radio, Newspapers whatever. Whoever controls the media controls the country. We need to go on the OFFENSIVE. Every. Single. Day.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmBill’O is one of the BIGGEST MORONS on “Fake News” and there are a hell of a lot of MORONS on the station.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmI don’t suppose Mr. O’Reilly will wake up to the fact that Mark Cuban had nothing to do with sending our troops into harm’s way. Bill is using a classic troll tactic: set up a strawman and blame him for those nasty little conscience-twinges the 23% (sheeple) may have from time to time.
Show no caskets. Broadcast no real ‘war’ information. Rerun Bush et al claiming all the “progress” we’re making. Whatever you do, don’t share the true story of what happens when you overextend, underequip, undertrain, and misinform the troops about why we are in Iraq.
I guess someone’s got to keep tabs on blathering Bill, but I’m sure glad I don’t have to do it.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmHe sharpened his attacks last week, calling for a boycott of the “vile,†“anti-American†film during multiple segments on his show.
Anti-American = Anti-military?
That explains a lot, then.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmIn order to meet enlistment goals, the military has relaxed it’s enlistment requirements to the point where just about anyone can join. If you were once considered too old, too dumb, or too much of a criminal to enlist, there is a good shot that you can get in now.
That said, the HUGE majority of our troops are outstanding men and women.
Recognizing that there are some low-life thugs in the military does not make you unpatriatic, as chicken hawks like Bildo would have us believe.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAnti-American as in revisionist history (you know, the type of history which the wingnuts decry as not being truthful).
From the promo, it looks like a real downer of a movie. But I’m thinking of buying a ticket anyway in protest of O-Reilley
November 19th, 2007 at 4:35 pmFOX is State Sponsored TV and raping children is unAmerican.
Crazy upside down world there at FOX.
But the Democrats will keep going on that pathetic channel.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThe ‘arrogance’ is the fact that O’Reilly hasn’t even seen the movie!! And the lemmings will follow. Unfortunately, O’Reilly will take credit when this fails at the box office giving him even more ’street cred’ in his delusional Bill-world.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmUncle Ho. Let me pay a visit to this propagandist on the way.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmO’Reilly and De Palma share one thing: thay are both misogynists. Women are abused and degraded in most of De Palma’s movies.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“And the lemmings will follow”
November 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pm———————–
Pardon my ignorance: I’ve seen the term “lemmings” a few times on TP, but I don’t get it. What does it refer to???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
November 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmBilldO, made any good phone calls lately? Have you begun your annual
‘War on Sanity’, or are you just sitting around with a bildo up your ass
while calling attractive women? Just ask’n…
November 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmIf Cuban is right and Fox indeed accepted the ad. for the movie..Then all what O’Reilly needs to do now is simply ’shut up’.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:44 pmO’Leilly can’t handle the truth.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmBill always advertises for the things that make him money. wanna bet he has a deal with someone? because otherwise the wagon is on the way from bellevue
November 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmVet
“lemmingsâ€
Think Sheeple, same usage in this case. Based off of the (mostly) false, but common, view that lemmings will blindly follow the ones in front of them, even if it means going over a cliff to their deaths.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pmI really used to dislike Mark Cuban; I think it had something to do with basketball.
Mark, I’m now a fan. Keep up the good work, and if you can’t shut up BilldO, you can always buy him!
November 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pmBill-O hates it when the truth conflicts with the agenda.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pmVet, lemmings are notorious little rodents that tend to stampeded themselves right over cliffs and fall to their deaths still wondering,
Where’d the land go?
November 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pminteresting from wiki:
While many people believe that lemmings commit mass suicide when they migrate, this is not the case. Driven by strong biological urges, they will migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can and do swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat[5]. On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore. [6]
The myth of lemming mass suicide is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. It is usually stated that the main source of the belief in the suicide myth was propagated by The Walt Disney Company documentary White Wilderness which includes footage of lemmings migrating and running head-long over a ledge. An investigation in 1983 by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s Brian Vallee, showed that the Disney film makers faked the entire sequence using imported lemmings (bought from Inuit children), a snow covered turntable on which a few dozen lemmings were forced to run, and literally throwing lemmings into the sea to show the alleged suicides. [7] This myth is also witnessed in a german film– Der Kleine Eisbär (lars, the polar bear)–in which a group of despondent lemmings are frequently jumping off various ledges.[8]
Kudos squeegeroo
November 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmSo, Billyhillyboy, ’splain to us why it’s acceptable for Bill O’Reilly to advertise the movie he’s vilifying….
I’d love to see that particular spin.
Hold on - lemme get my popcorn and diet Coke!
November 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmFurther diagnosis would be needed but on its face one could conclude his possible suffrage of the condition Savage claims afflicts some with illogical political views AND the order of everyting that is…….if you know what the meaning of is is.
Once again our resident hick makes up a sentence with random fragments and tries to pass it off as philosophy. Chloroform it, redneck.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmNo, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pmAccording to Huffington Post, O’Reilly went to Afganiston over the weekend to “Support the Troops”. Hope nobody pulls a “Tillman” on him (or maybe I do)
Why is he referencing Charles Manson? Didn’t he see Helter Skelter?
November 19th, 2007 at 4:57 pmRUCerious
Kudos squeegeroo
What can I say, reality has a decidedly ’squegee’ bias.
November 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pmDale: BULLSHIT.
Get a grip. Our troops are being treated like crap by this administration - and they know it.
Their morale sucks because of 4 and 5 deployments.
Their morale sucks because the goalposts keep shifting.
Their morale sucks because when they get home, it takes them 8 months to get any sort of assistance from the VA.
Their morale sucks because they’re being lied to by their Commander in Chief.
A film that tells the truth is not going to hurt their morale as badly as the lies they’re being fed by George W. Bush and his neocon chickenhawk advisors.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:02 pmHow can a movie based on facts be harmful to the USA? It’s not like the facts are secret. Did O’Reilly lash out at every media outlet that detailed those facts? Is this the only movie to be made that portrays American criminals in the military? Is that off limits? I don’t get it. Does he get upset about movies made about serial killers too? I guess he wants all movies to be made the way Fox News reports the news… on the basis of “what we’d like to see happen” rather then on the basis of what really happened. Like that Jessica Lynch movie.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pmNo, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops.
Comment by DaleW — November 19, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
November 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm————————————
I disagree. Our troops know better than anyone else that there are SOME bad apples among them. Knowing that a film depicts one of the worst examples of those bad apples will not effect the morale of the “good apples”. You should give our troops more credit.
#40, annie, can you provide proof that our troops’ morale sucks, and the reasons for it? No, not just a few troops, but a large majority? proof? at all?
November 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThere is no excuse for “Redacted.†The incident is based on a true story, but those who committed the crimes are in prison for life.
I wasn’t aware of any convictions in the real case, I thought the legal process hadn’t yet gotten to the trial stage, most notably in the case of ringleader Steven Green
November 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pm“I’m Mark Cuban, look at me!! Love me, pleaseâ€. What a waste of talent. And most of you buy into this nonsense.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Mark Cuban is one of those multi millionaires that you support. He doesn’t want to pay the estate tax you know… when he dies. I thought you supported these guys.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmBill should re-focus his outrage at the number of female soldiers who have been raped by their male comrades. Just google “female soldiers raped”. It’s eye opening.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmAwesome
November 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pmNo, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops.
Comment by DaleW
Yeah, the folks that live and work in that Iraq hell hole day after day don’t know how bad it is. Are you insane? Is this another troll?
Its 130 degrees in summer, you wear 120 lbs of stuff on your back, all the citizens have you in their gun sights, the nations leadership is corrupt (Iraq’s too), the war on terror has no end in sight, soldiers don’t get any downtime between home and in-country, private mercs earn 25x what the typical soldier earns, DC’s leadership uses you as props - then forgets about you, etc…
Our troops know best. better than YOU and better than me. Yeah, hiding what is going on over there is best for everybody - especially republicans.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmNo, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops.
Comment by DaleW — November 19, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
I doubt seriously this will have much impact on the morale of the troops — it’s not like this is a new story the troops haven’t heard.
We are constantly told about how this, that, and the other thing will “hurt the morale of the troops”. Sorry — I think the morale of our troops is a bit tougher than that. They can handle a movie profiling a few of their own who have proven unworthy to wear the uniform. They can handle demonstrations back here in the states by people who want the war to end. They can EVEN handle those of us who blog here at TP. Our soldiers are just not that fragile.
However, their morale MIGHT take a hit from conditions over there — always having to be on guard and never knowing who is an enemy and who is a friend. Or maybe being on a third deployment with very little rest in between. There are some real problems they cope with — it’s doubtful that a mere movie will overshadow them.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmJust ask any soldier about the Abu Grhaid prison story. Every soldier I have spoken with says the same exact thing.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Ha ha ha, how many soldiers do you find in your washroom while you’re beating off? What a crock… every soldier I’ve spoken to. If you actually spoke to a soldier they’d kick you in the nuts and tell you to enlist & serve in this war that you’re cheerleading.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmOf course it does Annie. It paints the picture that anyone in our millitary are capable of this. There are sickos in every walk of life. A few bad apples can make an entire group look like them.
Comment by Southern Man
To the right side, yes I believe they could not tell the difference. The right side is a very simple being. if one does it, all must do it. No fuss, no muss. They cannot think in complicated terms: left vs right, right vs. wrong - very simple terms. It sometimes takes intellect to understand a situation and correctly ascertain the wrongdoers. The right side doesn’t have the patience for that. If the daily talking points don’t arrive, theirs is a silent world.
The problem is that most progressives know that the situation is complicated. Most progressives know that there are bad apples, but we don’t disrespect the entire unit or army for it. We want the individuals at fault to be held accountable. We want the entire story told, so everybody can judge for themselves.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmSouthern Man: “Something is wrong with anyone who goes to see a movie about a teenage girl getting raped by anyone.”
As opposed to someone who goes to a movie about a renegade Rabbi being tortured to death by Romans complete with graphic details of flesh being flayed from his bloody body and culminating with him being nailed to a cross.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pm‘Redacted’ opened this weekend. $25,628 in 15 theaters, that’s basically half-full. Nobody wanted to see this movie, despite BillO’s extra Publicity. Might expand to more theaters next week, but it’s done. Hollywood war movies are not selling, no matter what the message is.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThis is off topic, but I’m having a hard time summarizing everything that makes Giuliani appalling for my girlfriend. Can anyone point me to a single article that does a good job of this? I can only find numerous separate articles but not one that combines everything (or attempts to). It’s actually for my girlfriend’s co-worker who has a “Rudy†mousepad, but regardless I’d like to have such a reference…
Thanks!
November 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pmShow the world how bad a few are and ignore all the good. Bad news on page one.
Comment by Southern Man
Show the world? When the world already thinks that US is one of the biggest threats to the planet?
Imagine yourself being from “not the US”, when you have serious news about Vietnam, Korea, Granada, NIcaragua, Guatemala, East Timor, Iraq and Serbia, where Kissinger and Albright don’t lecture about State affairs.
Imagine you see an extremely powerful country where every President strikes 3 or 4 countries in each admin. Imagine you read about the million Iraqis killed and 4.5 millions displaced (Saddam’s wet dream) for reasons that have changed over the years. Imagine that you are from a poor country that decides to stop following the economical structures designed by IMF and WorldBank.
It is not about liking Americans or not. It is about despising your govt’s doings all over the world since Jefferson times.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmBillo is in Afghanistan showing how he cares about the “real soldiers”. He is also scheduled to have a photo op Thanksgiving dinner in Iraq. He is doing his best to make sure his propaganda radio show remains on Armed Forces Radio.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI always find this discussion funny because the “troops” are hurt so easily. I thought our troops are awesome and can win all battles> Yet man oh man don’t let a bad word slip the lips they might loose the will to fight!?
More seriously, this movie really isn’t that harmful and filled with the thoughts O’Reilly claims. If you actually saw the film it presents some bad apples doing this horrible act and shows that the perception of the situation there varies upon your relation to the action. While I won’t say wingers will cheer at any point it presents some ugly truths and challenges the viewer to justify our actions in Iraq.
It really is hard to take when you see the pictures at the end with various non-actors who inspired the stories of the film. People who support this war should frankly be ashamed of their lack of empathy for other humans. Real people on both sides are being killed sometimes by accident and sometimes on purpose.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:44 pmComment by duaneatat — November 19, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
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Check out what the right-wing has to say about him:
(Caution - Extreme right wing website)
http://www.jtf.org/ america/ america.2008.election.disaster.htm
November 19th, 2007 at 5:46 pmVisit Mark Cuban’s web site (). He has an entity set up to support the troops like a good Pittsburgh kid should (well, Mt. Lebanon anyway) called the Fallen Patriot Fund.
The Factor folks have been e-mailing and calling his offices with death threats, trashed his server and made life tough for a few days. That Bill, what a following he’s got: old, poor and not too bright. Not Cuban’s target demographic but probably worth it.
Here’s what Cuban had to say:In response to Mr OReilly’s comments that “he is going to be my worst nightmare”. Well you have succeeded Mr OReilly. The people who take you literally took it upon themselves to call my businesses with bomb threats, threaten employees, myself and others with physical harm and wish every manor (sic) of death , injury and illness on us all.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pmSorry, this automatic link thing is nice but using it fooled me!
November 19th, 2007 at 5:49 pmIt really is funny that in your mind, only progressives understand all of the complex elements that involve this war. Only liberals and progressive are smart enough to get it. You think youe elite, but you sound more foolish than Eelmer Fudd.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
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I’m a OIF veteran myself. Personally, I don’t think either side of the political aisle really “gets it”, or really understands OIF. But I do believe the dems are much closer, IMHO. You’ll notice that the only OIF vet serving in congress is a democrat.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by duaneatat — November 19, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Here are two good links, the second one has an interview with the author of the village voice article.
http://www.villagevoice.com/ news/ 0743,barrett,78158,6.html
http://www.democracynow.org/ article.pl?sid=07/ 11/ 15/ 1433208&mode=thread&tid=25
November 19th, 2007 at 5:52 pmComment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
This from the guy who says he pays 75% of his earnings in taxes, then walks away when he’s challenged on his math. If you’re looking for intelligent discussions start by being honest.
Of course the soldiers are hurt by what happened in Abu. But they’re hurt by the fact that it happened, not that it was reported. The same goes for this movie. It’s the facts surrounding the movie that harm their reputation, not the movie. That’s something that you & billo don’t get.
btw, when you spoke to your friend returning to Iraq, why didn’t you sign up & join him?
November 19th, 2007 at 5:53 pmSouthern Man: “Something is wrong with anyone who goes to see a movie about a teenage girl getting raped by anyone.â€
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So, you didn’t like John Grisham’s “A Time to Kill”?
November 19th, 2007 at 5:57 pmYou think youe elite, but you sound more foolish than Eelmer Fudd.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Hate to burst your bubble S. Man but you (and B.O.) are the ones saying “It paints the picture that anyone in our millitary are capable of this. There are sickos in every walk of life. A few bad apples can make an entire group look like them.” You believe that, because of this movie, the whole bloody world will think the whole us military are rapist. Now that is foolish. What it shows, is that the us military does not have as great control over their soldiers as they should.
Of course, many, many people on the right believe that the earth was created 10,000 years ago and god actually wrote the bible so you could easily understand how these people would think the way you do.
November 19th, 2007 at 5:57 pmShow the world?
Comment by Juan C. — November 19, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
The movie opened in 15 theaters. Is it even scheduled for world wide release? Does BillO really think that “those who wish to harm Americans” are flocking to theaters? Would any of them have even heard of it without BillO?
Why do you keep giving our enemies reasons to hate us Bill?
November 19th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThis is incredible! All you left wing left nut wacko libs keep saying that FOX is NOT fair and balanced and that it is simply a right wing propaganda network (as are MSNBC and CNN left wing lovers!) but then, when FOX airs a commercial for a movie that is opposite what O’Reilly agrees with, you complain.
If this isn’t the most perfect example that shwos that FOX is indeed FAIR & BALANCED I don’t know what else would be!
November 19th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComparing the story of the last hours of Jesus Christ and a story about a few bad soldiers raping a girl is pretty lame.
Your right there. One story is based on facts!
November 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIf this isn’t the most perfect example that shwos that FOX is indeed FAIR & BALANCED I don’t know what else would be!
Comment by John Kerry — November 19, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
How about if Murdoch took Cheney’s dick out of his mouth? That would be a good start.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIf this isn’t the most perfect example that shwos that FOX is indeed FAIR & BALANCED I don’t know what else would be!
Comment by John Kerry — November 19, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Someone please explain hypocrisy to John Kerry and B.O.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:01 pm49 - Dale - I read the papers every day.
I read the stories about the soldier who came back from Iraq with part of his skull missing - who was told that he wasn’t disabled.
I read the stories about how soldiers are deployed over and over and over again - and how their families suffer for it.
I read the stories about the vets who can’t get jobs.
I read the stories about how the VA tries to cheat our soldiers by tweaking their disability ratings downward to decrease their benefits.
I read the stories about all the soldiers who kill themselves.
I read the stories about how so many of our soldiers are homeless.
I read the stories about how our soldiers suffer from PTSD and can’t get treatment.
How the hell would you feel if you knew you were laying your life on the line for your country — and that when you came home, your country was going to kick you in the ass…?
November 19th, 2007 at 6:04 pmYeah, I agree, people are sooo stupid. I don’t see why there was a “Schindler’s List” unless you are into Nazis and Death camps. Completely ridiculous. Nothing should ever be a movie unless I am into it or it promotes my religion!
/snark
November 19th, 2007 at 6:07 pm(in case you can’t tell)
It really is funny that in your mind, only progressives understand all of the complex elements that involve this war. Only liberals and progressive are smart enough to get it. You think youe elite, but you sound more foolish than Eelmer Fudd.
Comment by Southern Man
Eelmer Fudd? I understand. I believe sir, you have vividly made my point.
But seriously, The right side - through Bush and the neocons - have us in a never ending war with a made up enemy, fighting in the wrong country and ignoring the true threat. All for ego, revenge, and profit. Nothing else.
Your argument about the film is naive. a full 70% of this country knows we are being run by a gang of idiots. The film won’t change their opinion. Only the last 23-25% think otherwise. To me, that shows an incredible dis-regard for complexity. Those last supporters truly don’t care what is best for America - only what is best for the republican party. Again no complexity - just blind support for “their team”. To be fair, simple is easy and convenient - somthing the right side likes.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmThe windnuts really do care about soldiers killed fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The following is a quote from Mark Cuban’s blog.
In response to Mr OReilly’s comments that “he is going to be my worst nightmare”. Well you have succeeded Mr OReilly. The people who take you literally took it upon themselves to call my businesses with bomb threats, threaten employees, myself and others with physical harm and wish every manor of death , injury and illness on us all. They also managed to fill up the telephone lines of the Fallen Patriot Fund so that we couldn’t conduct business, and maybe its coincidence, but the fund’s website went offline for the first time ever yesterday.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pmPerpective one: O’Reilly attacks a movie, and the genius and herioc movie maker (whom we should ALL listen to for moral advice), takes a stand and places his ad on O’Reilly’s show as a protest. That’s the popular perspective here.
How about this one?
Perspective two: O’Reilly attacks a movie, and the movie maker, hellbent on doing anything, at any cost, to attack a man he percieves as disagreeing with him, actually ends up PAYING O’Reilly THOUSANDS of dollars in order to fund his attacks on his own movie further! …sorry, but I don’t think that’s as laudable as you all seem to think here.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:12 pmA story about the rape of a young girl in Iraq that happend a few years ago? Unles your into young girls gertting raped, I don’t see it. If your into Jesus(like 100’s of millions are) I get it. It sounds like strat rat may really be into the rape story line though.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
So, film makers should only make movies about the bible and your interests. How telling….
November 19th, 2007 at 6:13 pmComment by LawlessMP — November 19, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
How about perspective three: Only a reich-winger would make such a hissy fit about a film and only a reich-winger would actually listen to O’Reilly for moral advice.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:14 pmListening to Billo for Moral advice would be like listening to Clinton about the sanctity of marriage. Neither one is a good role model.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:20 pmbut then, when FOX airs a commercial for a movie that is opposite what O’Reilly agrees with, you complain.
If this isn’t the most perfect example that shwos that FOX is indeed FAIR & BALANCED I don’t know what else would be!
Comment by John Kerry
I know you are simple, so I’ll go REALLY SLOW.
O’reilly doesn’t like the fact that the movie is being advertised AT ALL. To him, the film is so bad, it shouldn’t be advertised because of the negative reflection on our soldiers. But his cable show earns money by advertising the movie DURING HIS SHOW!. Doesn’t that blantant hypocrisy make you wonder about O’reilly’s true feelings on the subject? It should.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:28 pmSouthern Man: “Comparing the story of the last hours of Jesus Christ and a story about a few bad soldiers raping a girl is pretty lame. The bible is the most printed book on the planet Col. I can see the relevance in that movie.”
You’re not making much sense. You’re saying that a movie which graphically depicts the torture-execution of a renegade Rabbi by an occupational force roughly 2000 years ago is “relevant,” but a movie mirroring current events, in this case one about our own soldiers raping and killing an Iraqi girl and her family is somehow NOT relevant???!!!! I don’t follow your thinking.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:36 pmComment by Krazny — November 19, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Heck! I’m still amazed that BillO hasn’t changed his name to something less “Clintonesque”. I think Judas would work.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:36 pmomment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 19, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
But, don’t you see, to the “Psyco-Christians” Jesus is alive, present, and relevant. And those who deny Him are evil.
Muslims, on the other hand, aren’t “real people” to them while “Christian soldiers” are all saints. Don’t you know that anyone who hunts Muslims is assured a place in Heaven?
November 19th, 2007 at 6:42 pmJohn Kerry, all your post (#74) proves is that you are too simple-minded to understand the difference between commercial revenue and political advocacy. Fox News is the perfect network for you. As someone who has trouble distinguishing between simple concepts, you are their prime demographic, right in their wheelhouse, and I’m sure they are working on you every night.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:43 pmThen I assume you will go away. In fact, yes, by all means, go away. You’ve obviously got better things to do.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:49 pmBill O’Reilly = Joseph McCarthy.
http://www.finfacts.com/ news/ senatorjosephmccarthy.htm
November 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pmPlease ignore this troll.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pmObviously Bill O’Reilly has no say in which ads get run during his show. He’s not the one in charge of that. He doesn’t “own†his own show on FOX. Most worthless post of the day from TP. Actually, most of them are when I think about it.
Comment by DreamCrusher
If you know this, where is the link? If not, why write stuff like this? You have no idea if Billo knows or doesn’t know. If he knows, he is a hypocrit. If he doesn’t know, his producers have really poor judgement. Which choice would you prefer? Both are losers.
November 19th, 2007 at 6:54 pmBillO has, loudly and publicly, banished innumerable ads from his time slot. He frequently calls on others to drop “offensive” ads. It’s well documented. And, he will banish this one, loudly and publicly, once the timing suits his purpose. Heck, he may even tear up in “righteous indignation”.
But seriously, how can anyone defend an ignorant fool who thinks that “secular progressives” are “anti-American” rather than the very definition of those who founded this country and once made it great?
November 19th, 2007 at 7:05 pmHow about perspective three: Only a reich-winger would make such a hissy fit about a film and only a reich-winger would actually listen to O’Reilly for moral advice.
Comment by Dr. Matt — November 19, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
Actually, that’s not a perspective. It appears obvious that many of you can’t tell the difference, but subtle and uncalled for insults to people who have not said anything that attacks you directly, while using puns as jokes (such as reich for right) do NOT qualify as arguments or perspectives.
I’m actually not a right winger. I think they’re every bit as stupid and foolish as the left when you go too far on either side. I don’t watch O’Reilly factor myself. In fact, I could care less about the movie, I’m actually shocked that this whole escapade made the news at all, as the movie is like as not barely going to create revenue or an audience. Its just a small indi film. However, my post referred to an action one man took, not liberalism as a whole. Yours simply insulted me because you feel threatened by anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and lack the faculties to genererate a sensible and logical response. That’s what children do. All in all, I’d say that was a miss.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pmDoesn’t it seem like there are lots of new trolls around? Methinks that last week’s extermination is getting notice.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:19 pmLawless: “In fact, I could care less about the movie, I’m actually shocked that this whole escapade made the news at all, as the movie is like as not barely going to create revenue or an audience.”
What a perfect handle for you. I recall that there were people who said, “I could care less what William Calli did under fire. It’s tough for our guys over there you know.” I guess some things and some people never change.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:24 pmO’Lielly, you butt whipe!
If there is one idiot in this world who is the most worthless lying piece of hypocritial crap, it’s O’Lielly.
What is amazing is how many people believe that dumbass.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI might have created some confusion for you, Lawless, with the incorrect spelling of William Calley’s name. Sorry about that.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:27 pmSouthern Man: “How is this movie relevant? Why not make a movie of the thousands of Americans who die in it’s streets everday because of drugs, gangs, and other crimes? That would be relevant.”
How is this movie relevant? Good question. I don’t know what’s in Brian de Palma’s mind, but I would guess that he feels that, as in Viet Nam, when you put young men in a horrible situation with no clear goal and no clear, identifiable enemy, some of them will tend to do horrible things. When you can’t tell the friendlies from the hostiles, everyone tends to become an enemy and the paranoia reaches a hellish level for anyone caught in the middle. This is a fictional story which mirrors current events. I’m guessing it’s point is to make us consider the fact that we’re putting our soldiers right in the middle of hell and still expect them to do the honorable thing. I’m guessing de Palma is all about making a statement about the policy more than the troops, but that’s just my opinion and I’m not planning to see it because I don’t want to subject myself to that horror.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pmto make money from the anti-war left. -SM
Right, 70%+ of America is sick of this ’stay the course to nowhere’ thats not left or right SM, thats democratic America talking. And as a democracy our leaders should be working to disengage from this UN resolution as what it called for in Iraq has been accomplished.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pmSouthern Man: “Why not make a movie of the thousands of Americans who die in it’s streets everday because of drugs, gangs, and other crimes? That would be relevant.”
At any given time there are quite a few of these available. At the moment, I would suggest “American Gangster.” Incidentally, de Palma did a very similar thing as “Redacted” regarding Viet Nam. I forget the name of the movie, but it was about a soldier who felt he had to break with his comrades and tell the truth about some of them raping and murdering a Vietnamese girl.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:46 pmThe Sean Penn crowd aresuckers for good ole hate America movies.
I am not now, or ever been, a Sean Penn fan. Please put down the projectionist paint brush as it nullifies the point your debating.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:47 pmMy best friend just returned from his third tour in Iraq. He is voluntering to go back. He stated that response I used, word for word.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
You lie. Shame on you.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:50 pmSean Penn has done far more for the troops’ morale than the deserter-In-Chief Bush has, that’s for certain. Sean Penn is a talented, hard-working American citizen, with the same rights as anyone else. More Americans should be like Sean Penn, who actually goes to the front to find out what he can first-hand. I am proud to be associated with fine patriots like Sean Penn, rather than deserters and draft-dodgers like most of the Republiscum admalistration.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pmRegarding southern man’s “friend,” it may or may not be true, but it’s completely irrelevant to the subject of this thread.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pmNow the anti-war left comprises over 70% of the country. tough for you trolls, hey? Like pissing into the wind, it all comes back to you.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:54 pmIncidentally, de Palma did a very similar thing as “Redacted†regarding Viet Nam
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Colonel, was the movie you were referring to Casualties of War?
November 19th, 2007 at 7:55 pmI didn’t see Bill O’Rielly renting a fleet of boats and rescuing people and dogs during the Katrina disaster. I certainly haven’t seen O’Reilly going to Iran to speak to Iranians on the street or traveling around Iraq talking with both American soldiers and Iraqi citizens. But, O’Reilly DOES talk a lot.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:02 pmAccording to what I’ve read, de Palma’s wish was to point out that the American public has been deceived, numerous times, in order to paint the whole Iraq fiasco in a more positive light. Which, of course, has nothing to do with this thread.
I still think that BillO comes off as an ignorant bully on this issue. But, in fairness, I think that describes him pretty well on most issues. I still don’t see how “outrage” over a movie he hasn’t seen and “would never sit through” can be seen as anything but a hysterical reaction. He has reacted to what he thinks the content may be and his belief may be wrong.
I think that, in fairness, one should make it one’s duty to actually see, or read a transcript of, a movie before condemning it. No matter how offensive the subject matter. Personally, I refuse to watch movies that glorify criminals (most of de Palma’s work included) but I don’t publicly attack those who make them.
BTW, this is a work of FICTION. I have no idea how closely it follows the released info on the actual case in question. Nor do I, or BillO, have any idea of the overall tone. For all I, or BillO, know it’s a glowing tribute to military investigators who pursued heinous criminals despite the PR damage such action could cause.
Also, 3 of the 4 soldiers, involved in the real case, have stood Courts Martial and are awaiting sentencing. Because some, or all, face a possible death sentence it could be years before we know their fate, if we are ever told the whole truth.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:03 pmPlease continue to show your stereotypes; it shows others who you are and what you think of others based on geograhical location.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Yet, you stereotype liberals. No matter where you’re from, you’re still a hypocrite. Hypocrisy knows no borders.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:05 pmhave been labeled everything you can possibly asociate with the south. Religon being my favorite. -SM
Yet you think everyone who is against war is a leftist Sean Penn afficionado….I am a Christian, and most here know that and that I live in the south. Why your getting flamed, I think, is because you are trying to paint people into groups of your making. TV and FOX news have an odd way of doing just that. Why according to Oreilly half of America, 150 million people, are pagans, which is just nutty when 85% of America claim to believe in GOD and even nuttier when his 2 million viewers actually believe that, its easily, as I have shown, debunked.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:07 pmSouthern Man, the fact that you know someone who is proud of his service and wants to go back is interesting, but irrelevant. Now, whether or not it was good form for de Palma to make this statement regarding what our policy does to the souls of some of our soldiers while they’re still there is also a good question. Maybe de Palma felt that it would have done more good for society to make his statement regarding Viet Nam while we were still there. The Mi Lai massacre, for example, happened, I think, in 1968 and we were still occupying the country for another five years.
I agree with you that a movie like this cannot be good for a given soldier’s moral, but I don’t think that’s the point of the movie at all. I think he’s talking to the people back home, not the people in the action. I think he’s saying that we need to get our people the hell out of there.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:09 pmHe’s a true American. He also played in “The Falcon and the Snowman†where he was a spy giving goverment secrets to the Russians. That was a true story.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
You are very easily confused, as evidenced by your insane support of this loser administration, even to the point of lying about “your best frien” going back to Iraq. What bullshit. why aren’t y8ou gong with him, by the way? You chickenhawks are good at lying and running away, not so good at film reviews.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI think that BillO’s constant smearing of “secular progressives” should be redacted. Such remarks besmirch the memory of the heroic figures who founded this nation. Ditto for his constant attacks on the bulk of our nation. Every time he says “far left” he is attempting to insult, and marginalize, the very heart of this once great nation. I think he’s an ignorant fool and a traitor. He’s a big reason I refuse to subscribe to cable, but I don’t take any further action to interfere with his livelihood.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:13 pmMeanwhile the Simpsons is an America lovers show…
LOL
November 19th, 2007 at 8:13 pm“A few years after the war was over. Not in the middle of the conflict.”
Too bad, SM, have your puppet-in-chief end this conflict instead of continuing to destroy young lives over his ego. What’s worse, showing a movie or being blown to pieces by an IED? man, you are a twit, no matter where you’re from.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:16 pmSomeone please explain Fair and Balanced to Nature Rules!! Obviously he / she can’t think on it’s own!!
November 19th, 2007 at 8:17 pmYou know, Sean Penn doesn’t need any help from me or anyone else. He’s a very successful actor and a fearless journalist. He’s got everything someone in his profession wants - no shortage of offers to play good parts, multiple Oscar nominations and an Oscars for best actor and best supporting actor. Whatever you think of him personally, to deny that he’s one of our greatest actors is silly. I’m not sure why conservatives continually dismiss artists because of their political positions. I think Mel Gibson is a complete crackpot, but that doesn’t change my opinion that he’s a great actor and director. He breaks my heart in “We Were Soldiers.” The fact that Robert Duvall is a redneck doesn’t change my opinion of him as a great actor. Sean Penn was unbelievably good in “I am Sam.”
November 19th, 2007 at 8:17 pmPlease continue to show your stereotypes; it shows others who you are and what you think of others based on geograhical location.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
unfortunately for you, your ignorance and viewpoints are what stereotype you, not your nym. it wouldn’t matter if you called yourself harvard Grad or upright left, you’d still prove yourself an idiot every time out. Seems you just can’t help it. Perhaps other southerners wouldn’t appreciate the black eye you’re giving them.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:19 pmSomeone please explain Fair and Balanced to Nature Rules!! Obviously he / she can’t think on it’s own!!
Comment by John Kerry — November 19, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Obviously you have no idea what it means, or you’d be able to explain it. Nice of you to offer proof of the depth of your stupidity, though. Thanks, but we already knew.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:21 pmAnd what, pray tell, does Sean Penn have to do with the hypocritical, ignorant, divisive, traitor Bill O’Reilly? Thats’ right. Nothing!
November 19th, 2007 at 8:29 pmO’Reilly is just another Chickenhawk TRAITOR to the USA, just like Cheney and MURDERER Bush the AWOL coward COXUCKER punk TRAITOR
to the USA.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 19th, 2007 at 8:36 pmEverything you need to know about BillO, neocons, and trolls.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:36 pmhttp://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Look, SM, I don’t believe you. You have lied many times about many things here, and your profound gullibillity prevents me from giving you any credence, especially that a cowardly chickenhawk like you would have a friend who’s going back to Iraq because he wants to. However, just to hedge my bet, i would have to guess that anyone foolish enough to have such a chickenhawk buddy might just be as gullible as you, and might stupidly want to head back into that clusterf**k because he believes the propaganda fed him by Limbaugh and Betrayus. Still, I hope he fares well and returns unharmed, if he does exist. I still don’t see why you’re not there beside him.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:37 pmHeres a question Southern Man [BTW wasnt that a Lynard Skynard song? I like his music=]
The neo-cons, who have basically hijacked the conservative movement, are radical leftists, yet none here support them, why?
November 19th, 2007 at 8:37 pmYour a joke where I come from. But please don’t ever change.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
That’s is a high compliment, coming from the likes of you. You’re a joke everywhere.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:38 pmMy bad, that was a Neil Young song. [Southern Man]
November 19th, 2007 at 8:39 pmComment by Xisithrus — November 19, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Look out! The ghost of Ronnie Van Zant is gonna git ya.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:43 pm70 Years of Bush Crime Family TREASON against the USA.
Starting with Granddaddy Presott laundering money for the Nazis and getting property seized in 1942 for TRADING with the ENEMY.
And Daddy Bush pardoning the Iran/Contra TRAITORS, as well as Orlando Bosch, a terrorist so bad Bush’s State Department refused him asylum.
And MORON Junior, the AWOL coward TRAITOR who LIED us into a war of aggression in Iraq.
While Osama, family friend, is STILL free 6 years later in Pakistan.
A country with NUKULAR weapons.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
November 19th, 2007 at 8:44 pmLook out! The ghost of Ronnie Van Zant is gonna git ya.
Comment by pete — November 19, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Heh.
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Oreilly is an idiot. He works for Fox so he must be associated with The Nazi movement. I heard he secretly wears tampoons in his ears at night to drown out the crazy people from the Bush SS. Better?
Comment by Southern Man
I dont know about the Hitler thing or tampons. Oreilly is intelligent enough. I dont listen to him for any of those reasons however but because he is following an agenda and not acting as a reporter. Murdoch, owner of FOX is Australian, and if anything he would like to see America back under the British crown.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:50 pmComment by Lefty Patriot — November 19, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
and you basically lied about the Sean Penn reference. you were the first to make it, calling us “the Sean Penn crowd”, and then you weakly tried the “his name came up” gambit. I’m sorry that you don’t understand irony, sarcasm or any other literary devices, but I refuse to type everything twice.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:52 pmhow many times did billo say “it hurts the troops”? - almost as bad as rudy saying “september 11th” - an old fixed noise neocon propaganda tool - say it ’til you are blue in the face and hope it takes over the viewers’ sub-conscious
November 19th, 2007 at 8:59 pmI am waiting for his attacks against progressives about killing Christmas. Come on Bill, bring it on.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:01 pmThat Southern Man don’t need Neil Young around anyhow.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:03 pmBillo paid big money to have the dildo story just go away.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:06 pmActually, Sean Penn made fun of himself on the Colbert report. All is good now.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:10 pmAnd a lot of people in here spew the same pathetic logic that Penn does. Well, most in here can get their thoughts across in inteligent fashion, unlike Penn.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
Figures a half-wit rightard would call logic “pathetic”. Try utilizing it some time, you won’t sound so pathetic. Although you’ll have to give up your hard-won ignorance.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:47 pmJust so you know the moron you’re dealing with, check out this quote…
I didn’t say I was in the top two percent. But when it’s all said and done, I pay right around seventy five percent of my income to taxes. Between federal income tax, state tax, local tax, property tax, sales tax, gas tax, car tax, boat tax, fishing license tax….. Throw in private schools for the kids(you wouldn’t let your kids go to the public schools around here if you had the means to do so, really bad) and a few others, and thats where some of us are because of the amount of taxes that are there.
Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
He honestly is trying to tell folks that he pays 75% of his earnings in taxes. Think that through and then believe that he has kids in private school. The man is full of shite.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:57 pmHe honestly is trying to tell folks that he pays 75% of his earnings in taxes. Think that through and then believe that he has kids in private school. The man is full of shite.
Comment by Dave C — November 19, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
he’s a bushbot, thus a born liar. he will vote against his own financial interests every time, being ignorant and easily spooked by codewords: socialism, state’s rights, etc. a perfect fool for the repigs.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:04 pmCharles Manson only ordered the killing of 6 (?) people and did not kill any himself. George W. Bush has killed 1,100,000 Iraq civilians and 3,871 US troops. I think that makes Bush far worse.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:35 pmOur troops planned in advance the rape and murder of the 14 year-old girl and her entire family. For a long time, our media referred to the 14 year-old victim as a “young woman”.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:37 pmO’Reilly likes to say that he grew up in Levittown. A lie. He never lived there and grew up in a richer neighborhood. He likes to say his family was middle class. A lie. His father’s income was in the top 10%.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:40 pmO’Reilly frequently claims to exercise logic while feeling compassion and gratitude. As these are qualities displayed by rational human beings, he’s clearly lying through his teeth.
Sorry. I just couldn’t resist.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:46 pmCome on, Cuban! You can’t put the US troops in danger - that’s Bush’s job!
November 20th, 2007 at 12:11 am“Something is wrong with anyone who goes to see a movie about a teenage girl getting raped by anyone.”
Yes, because art should never be about anything upsetting or disturbing. Who needs Guernica!? Its only the most amazing painting ever! And of course, we can completely trust you to be the arbiter of value of what “hurts the troops,” since you’re completely impartial.
Southern Man, spare the rhetoric. It is a documentary about what happened. I have yet to see it, but I doubt it really hurts the troops. Your arguments that it does fall well short of any reasonable standard of logic.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:28 amThis is what happens when you respond to Trolls and DON’T report ‘em for Abuse:
I never watch the FACTOR as I see more than enough of Billo on Countdown with KO every day. When Keith’s daily segment on Orally runs longer than 10 minutes I switch to the RFD channel and watch re-runs of antique tractor shows. What is news to me is that Orally has been replaced with Ingram and moved into the sales department at Fox. A quick review of his investment portfolio may shine a light on some mystifying conundrums. Cubans ignorance caught most off guard when viewing his status in society. Further diagnosis would be needed but on its face one could conclude his possible suffrage of the condition Savage claims afflicts some with illogical political views AND the order of everyting that is…….if you know what the meaning of is is. Comment by Billy Hill — November 19, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
So, Billyhillyboy, ’splain to us why it’s acceptable for Bill O’Reilly to advertise the movie he’s vilifying…. I’d love to see that particular spin. Hold on - lemme get my popcorn and diet Coke! Comment by Leftside Annie — November 19, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Further diagnosis would be needed but on its face one could conclude his possible suffrage of the condition Savage claims afflicts some with illogical political views AND the order of everyting that is…….if you know what the meaning of is is. Once again our resident hick makes up a sentence with random fragments and tries to pass it off as philosophy. Chloroform it, redneck. Comment by RUCerious — November 19, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Recognizing that there are some low-life thugs in the military does not make you unpatriatic, as chicken hawks like Bildo would have us believe. No, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops. Comment by DaleW — November 19, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Dale: BULLSHIT. Get a grip. Our troops are being treated like crap by this administration - and they know it. Their morale sucks because of 4 and 5 deployments. Their morale sucks because the goalposts keep shifting. Their morale sucks because when they get home, it takes them 8 months to get any sort of assistance from the VA. Their morale sucks because they’re being lied to by their Commander in Chief. A film that tells the truth is not going to hurt their morale as badly as the lies they’re being fed by George W. Bush and his neocon chickenhawk advisors. Comment by Leftside Annie — November 19, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
O’Reilly has yet to comment on the fact that his show is now profiting off the promotion of a film he claims is “hurting our troops and helping the terrorists.†It really shows you how childish Cuban really is. Cuban ran the ad, and he wanted it to air during the show to make a point? O’Reilly is not in charge of Fox News marketing. “I’m Mark Cuban, look at me!! Love me, pleaseâ€. What a waste of talent. And most of you buy into this nonsense. Oh, the last Iraq movie from Redford tanked badly. Really badly. So will this one. You should be embarassed if you go see this movie. Something is wrong with anyone who goes to see a movie about a teenage girl getting raped by anyone. “How did you like the movie sir?†Man-†I thought it was great actually. They showed this cute girl getting gang raped by some pretty big guys. The scene was disturbing, sort of, and the anti-US message was awesome. I’d see it again and again.†Sad! Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
No, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops. Comment by DaleW — November 19, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
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I disagree. Our troops know better than anyone else that there are SOME bad apples among them. Knowing that a film depicts one of the worst examples of those bad apples will not effect the morale of the “good applesâ€. You should give our troops more credit. Comment by Vet — November 19, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
#40, annie, can you provide proof that our troops’ morale sucks, and the reasons for it? No, not just a few troops, but a large majority? proof? at all? Comment by DaleW — November 19, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
There is no excuse for “Redacted.†The incident is based on a true story, but those who committed the crimes are in prison for life.
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I wasn’t aware of any convictions in the real case, I thought the legal process hadn’t yet gotten to the trial stage, most notably in the case of ringleader Steven Green Comment by KingCranky — November 19, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
“I’m Mark Cuban, look at me!! Love me, pleaseâ€. What a waste of talent. And most of you buy into this nonsense. Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:03 pm Mark Cuban is one of those multi millionaires that you support. He doesn’t want to pay the estate tax you know… when he dies. I thought you supported these guys. Comment by Dave C — November 19, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
A film that tells the truth is not going to hurt their morale as badly as the lies they’re being fed by George W. Bush and his neocon chickenhawk advisors. Comment by Leftside Annie — November 19, 2007 @ 5:02 pm Of course it does Annie. It paints the picture that anyone in our millitary are capable of this. There are sickos in every walk of life. A few bad apples can make an entire group look like them. Just ask any soldier about the Abu Grhaid prison story. Every soldier I have spoken with says the same exact thing. “Those fu***** morons have made the entire millitary and me look bad. I hope they put them away for a long time!†It is just another attempt to hurt our troops. Show the world how bad a few are and ignore all the good. Bad news on page one. Good news on page thirteen. Comment by Southern Man — November 19, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
No, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops. Comment by DaleW Yeah, the folks that live and work in that Iraq hell hole day after day don’t know how bad it is. Are you insane? Is this another troll? Its 130 degrees in summer, you wear 120 lbs of stuff on your back, all the citizens have you in their gun sights, the nations leadership is corrupt (Iraq’s too), the war on terror has no end in sight, soldiers don’t get any downtime between home and in-country, private mercs earn 25x what the typical soldier earns, DC’s leadership uses you as props - then forgets about you, etc… Our troops know best. better than YOU and better than me. Yeah, hiding what is going on over there is best for everybody - especially republicans. Comment by StratRat — November 19, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
No, but running the movie WHILE THE WAR IS STILL GOING ON will harm the morale of our troops. Comment by DaleW — November 19, 2007 @ 4:56 pm I doubt seriously this will have much impact on the morale of the troops — it’s not like this is a new story the troops haven’t heard. We are constantly told about how this, that, and the other thing will “hurt the morale of the troopsâ€. Sorry — I think the morale of our troops is a bit tougher than that. They can handle a movie profiling a few of their own who have proven unworthy to wear the uniform. They can handle demonstrations back here in the states by people who want the war to end. They can EVEN handle those of us who blog here at TP. Our soldiers are just not that fragile. However, their morale MIGHT take a hit from conditions over there — always having to be on guard and never knowing who is an enemy and who is a friend. Or maybe being on a third deployment with very little rest in