Comment by Zooey — November 19, 2007 @ 1:45 pm

I missed all this fun yesterday, but I am with Zooey 100% on this. Miss Edmonds’ story is too important to our democracy and way of life to allow the government to shut her up. Come talk to us, Sibol, and we’ll do all we can to maek sure the story gets out. And if they try to arrest me, I will subpoena as many people involved as I can and demand a speedy trial (Sixth Amendment) so the story can get out before the next elections.

Just because the government is doing illegal things, it does not mean that they can simply “classify” all of it and arrest people for blowing the whistle. If it is illegal, then it is not a national security matter, it is a criminal matter. Classifying documents or actions just to keep them out of the public eye is illegal. It’s just too damn bad if the truth makes the President and Vice President out to be liars. After all, they ARE liars, and well-documented ones, too. They would have zero credibility in a court of law, which is why they try so desperately hard to stay out of them. I, for one, would be more than happy to publicize Sibol’s story.

I’ve often read TP ,however, was not a registered user. Today after reading this thread I felt I had to reg and login.

My opinion of TP has certainly come down a few a pegs, in view of the censorship that has occurred on this thread.I wondered just what is the agenda here. Think Progress? According to whom? And how is Progress defined here?

One cannot have Progress if one is not allowed to identify the problems and issues.Many of the issues are ugly, but we all must be allowed to pull them into the debate. Otherwise, it’s not appropriate to refer to yourselves as Think Progress. You ought not cherry pick issues discussed in a public forum.

Concerning Waxman: Yes he’s a fine individual that can be seen daily on television as he investigates DC. It’s TV series that has no end and will probably run into the next season. However, I stopped watching it. As interesting as the hearings are, I’ve yet to see any type of action come from it. Questions are raised, answers provided and the evidence mounts. But how much evidence does one committee require before they act on that information?

I feel that much of what I’ve read on the net and have watched during Investigative Committees is nothing more than an appeasement of sorts. As nothing has actually been done in terms of accountability.

I’m sickened by the way in which even so called Progressive media/ Blogs decide what is to appropriate for for their sites. Or what ought to be the proper issues of the day. It appears that both the Waxman Comm. and TP are using the same cook book. approach. Appeasement, give the people a sense that YES! We Hear You ! Though it fails to go further and get at the root of the issues. Maybe by not finding a solution helps to solidify their importance and they can maintain a daily site or televised committee of appeasement according to their rules. And the beat goes on, which gives new meaning to No End in Sight . It’s all become an industry. And when web sites and investigative committees refuse to go the distance in order to find a solution, discuss certain topics and issues as well not holding anyone accountable, I have to ask, What is the Gain? I think I know the answer to that. Perpetuate , without attaining a solution. If solutions were indeed discovered and people were held accountable, then where would that leave those that have prospered from the injustices.

Stop cherry picking and providing a pseudo term/excuse as to why you won’t allow debate concerning an issue as important as 911. As foe Waxman? ACT on the data you have uncovered.

it’s not that I think he’s morally above such an act. it’s not that he and his cronies aren’t guilty of crimes of almost equal measure.

but – for one thing, he and his pals just aren’t bright enough. Rove is a schemer, to be sure — but his acts are transparent enough under any reasonable scrutiny — he’s depended all along on dominating the media, etc, to avoid that kind of scrutiny.

Read Richard Clarke’s ‘against all enemies’ and Wrights ‘the looming tower’ for a good picture of the forces, and the stunning incompetence in the Bush admin, the FBI, and the CIA, that made 9/11 possible.

Has this incompetence been covered up or ignored in the US? No doubt about it. Did George Tenet refuse to tell the FBI that known al queda operatives were active in the US? He sure did. Did the 9/11 commission supress the section of their report dealing with Saudi Arabia? That’s another plain fact.

But there are many ways to understand these facts, including several that are more credible than a conspiracy.

I have to say, I am less sanguine about the NEXT big terrorist attack. It’s hard to see what else can save the gang of crooks in power now.

I have, as I’ve said above, been troubled by the tone of some of the comments here, e.g. referring to Think Progress as toilet paper, etc., and denounce Faiz and Waxman as dupes or conspirators themselves.

This is the way political movements fragment and fall apart: the more paranoid members of the cause start attacking the leadership.

Is it possible that there are other layers of conspiracy? We know there are – start with Pat Tillman, and keep driving. But to claim that the staff of TP are in on it? That’s crazy. If they deleted ‘conspiracy’ posts, its because they don’t want to be ridiculed as crazy.

I realize my post probably won’t convince anyone who feels differently. And I sympathize with ‘conspiracy theorists’ – we live in a world that has a lot of evil in it, and ever more secrecy. But TP is one of our champions. Waxman is another.

Normally I’m 100 percent in concurrence with your “i dont want this to show up on bill o reilly” sentiment. However, Edmonds is a credible, articulate woman with some very exposive information, which isnt at all unplausible: that some members of our government knew the attacks were going to occur and did nothing to stop it. I dont know enough facts to disagree with anyones theories, but I do know that the assertion that there was advance knowledge of these attacks that wernt acted on makes alot of sense. 9-11 was the best thing that ever happened to bush + co. I personally dont believe there were missles or explosives, I just think what was going to happen was known, and nothing was done to stop it. I think its wrong for you to treat Edmonds like someone claiming aliens shot JFK. Frankly, I think there are MANY democrats who are just as dirty as republicans, and the information Edmonds has could bring down alot of people, in both parties. And frankly, it cant happen soon enough.

here is a summary on one of his blogs that answers these questions

1) what is Sibel claiming?
2) does she have any credibility?
3) who does she suggest is involved?
4) who fits that profile?

Faiz, if you’re reading these posts, I hope you’ll comment. If people are posting garbage about Cheney planning the attacks, I can understand why you would pull that kind of nonesense. But that’s not what the Edmonds issue is, is it?

I read TP regularly, but have never seen her name come up, at least not for a couple years. Why not?

Comment by cold_hard_left — November 19, 2007 @ 3:42 pm

Don’t you just wish that were true. Hahaha! Waxman will take your traitors down, down, down.

In my case, not so intelligent. But, I know enough to be outraged every day, every minute, every second of my life to know that DEMOCRACY IS DYING ON THE VINE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!

Waxman? Would you like to help stop this??? Can you stop the corporate facism washing over this country? Can you take the media back and put into the hands of the people again? Can you stop the international corruption we face? Can you restore the middle-class? Can you just make dent somewhere soon????????

I am disappointed more than I can say that you have not followed through with impeaching VP Dick Cheney. You have the support of most of the country. There is nothing you could do (short of ending this war) that would energize this country and restore the confidence in our government to be able to operate the way it should. Dennis Kucinich did a brave thing by standing on the House Floor and calling for his impeachment. PLEASE do not let the bill die in committee. I firmly believe it will go a LONG ways towards righting what is so very wrong. It will at the very least bring the administration into check. It will demonstrate that you all are fighting to defend and protect our Constitution. It is what Americans want to see. We NEED it.

Please, sir, please call Ms. Edmonds in and get what she has to say on the record. Then, please deal with it.

If our government and our FBI are broken, it is essential to expose it and do what it takes to repair the damage. It is not the first time in our history that we have had to deal with something so serious. This is about the continued integrity and survival of our country, and a measure of who we are as a people. The people of this country are strong enough to get through this. No matter how shocking or damaging, or however much it encompasses, we need to know. We already know a lot that is wrong withint this corrupt administration (that nobody is willing to do anything concrete about). We as a nation need to clean house. This affects every person in this country.

When the House of Representatives, who has the power of oversight, says all the right things but does not use that power to back up what they say, then they prove themselves to be impotent. The balance of power is gone. They set a dangerous precedent. Not just by giving this corrupt administration a green light to do whatever they want without fear of repercussion or consequence, they set the precedent for future administrations. The next president is not going to give back the power that they have inherited. If we don’t have the balance of government so wisely set up by the framers, the we no longer have a democracy, it is a dictatorship or an oligarchy. They understood the dangers presented by a rogue president trying to grab too much power to himself.

This is what it feels like right now. Congress is going through the motions of appearing like we are a functioning democracy, that they still represent the people (who they are NOT listening to), but so much is broken, that it all appears to be theater with no substance, power, or will. There is no heart, no conviction, no passion for what is right and true. It does not represent the PEOPLE.

The fact that the Justice Department is also involved with silencing Sibel Edmonds (at the will of the WH), tells me that the WH controls everything now – Congress, Justice, Intelligence, Military, and the MSM. What is left?

I think Ms. Edmonds will only talk to the MSM in the US is to make sure she is heard by a large number of Americans, and that they hear and understand the scope of this problem. If enough people know what she has witnessed, then Congress will be forced to deal with it.
Her safety and future are at risk. I can understand this. It is NOT a partisan issue, this is a national issue – an American issue.

By the press going dead silent on this speaks volumes. I am sad and alarmed.

No one was insulting anyone — just presenting facts in a civil manner.

But…the Brad Blog piece seems to hint at a more profound issue. AIPAC involvement? Something that could destabilize relations with Turkey? Could it possibly be that there’s something ELSE about the Saudis that the keepers of the Big Machine don’t want us to know? (naw, that can’t be it– that file’s busting out already).

I don’t understand, and I suspect that other posters here could at least speculate about the blanks.

I find Edmond’s claim that she will ONLY spill to one of the big networks a little thin BTW. Obviously, she could tell the Guardian, and it would percolate back, the way the Downing Street Memo’s did. Not the same as having an octogenerian from 60 Minutes do the interview, but if its so dang important….

Let’s try to avoid insulting each other while we have this conversation.