Bush Administration Stokes Fear Of Massive Army Layoffs To Force Congress To Drop Redeployment
Bush Administration Stokes Fear Of Massive Army Layoffs To Force Congress To Drop Redeployment
The Bush administration is threatening that it will issue furlough notices to up to 150,000 civilian workers at military bases in mid-December if Congress does not approve unrestricted Iraq funding immediately. As part of this campaign, the Pentagon is distributing a document warning that the Army may cease to function if it does not receive the funds now. (View the document here.)
At a press conference this morning, Reps. John Murtha (D-PA) and David Obey (D-WI) rebutted the administration’s scare-mongering by noting that, just last week, Bush signed a $471 billion defense spending bill. That bill “contains enough money to continue military operations through mid-February, because of a provision that lets the administration shift money to the war from other Pentagon accounts.”
Murtha ripped the Pentagon’s “Rumsfeld-like” tactics aimed at “scaring the families of the troops” just ahead of the Christmas season:
I thought we’d gotten rid of Secretary Rumsfeld, but this really worries me that there would be such a political document. … This is a political document. They’re scaring people. They’re scaring the families of the troops with this document. That’s the thing that’s so despicable about what they’re doing.
Watch some highlights:
In this morning’s White House gaggle, spokeswoman Dana Perino admitted they’re making civilian employees fear for their jobs as a way to “remind Congress” to pass a bill, despite the fact the funding has passed the house and is being blocked by Republicans in the Senate:
QUESTION: Are you saying that these furloughs would begin before they come back from this vacation?
PERINO: The notices. I’m not sure of the date. I know that they have to notice because under the rules you have to give people, I think it is 60 to 90 days worth of notice that they could be furloughed. So that could happen.
QUESTION: So this is a way to remind Congress that you want them to pass this bill?
PERINO: That’s exactly what that was.
QUESTION: So you’re making them suffer –
PERINO: I’m making the Democrats suffer?
QUESTION: No, you’re making the civilians who work for the Defense –
PERINO: Oh, no, it is not us who are making any civilians suffer.
QUESTION: There ought to be –
PERINO: We are calling on Congress to –
QUESTION: How many billions have we spent already for the Defense Department?
PERINO: The Defense Department says that they need this funding in order to keep the war running, as well as to keep these civilians…
QUESTION: Maybe they don’t want the war to keep running.
At this morning’s press conference, Murtha underscored the point: “There’s a difference between supporting our military and their families, and supporting the war in Iraq. This administration supports this war. This Congress supports our troops and their families, as we’ve proved over and over and over again.”
UPDATE: HuffPolitics has more.
Transcript:
MURTHA: Once again the president responded with more rhetoric and threats. He blames Congress for not providing him with additional funding, but flatly refused to work with us on a solution. What he fails to mention is that he could have the money in two days. As Dave Obey said, he just picks up the phone and calls the Republicans in the Senate.
While Congress is working to improve the quality of life for our troops, this administration is reversing these efforts with this political document. You talk about morale, when they make statements like, “We’re going to lay-off people,” there’s thousand of people throughout the country that don’t need to be laid-off and shouldn’t be laid-off and they’re worrying them — those folks. This reduces the morale of the people throughout the country.
[…]
I don’t like to think this, but it’s almost like a Rumsfeld-like prediction here — a Rumsfeld-like. I thought we’d gotten rid of Secretary Rumsfeld, but this really worries me that there would be such a political document.
[…]
There’s seven months’ backlog at the depots — seven months’ backlog. In other words, there’s seven months’ work still in the depots, fully funded. They talked about IEDs the other day. We already funded over $3 billion for IEDs in a big unobligated (inaudible). This is a political document. They’re scaring people. They’re scaring the families of the troops with this document. That’s the thing that’s so despicable about what they’re doing.
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Oh lord. What a colossal load of horsecrap.
November 20th, 2007 at 1:58 pmOh yeah… we’re fighting “the terrorists” all right.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:00 pmFor our current regime:
War = Good
Troops, Families, Veterans = political fodder only when “War = Good” is threatened, otherwise, to be forgotten
November 20th, 2007 at 2:01 pmWhich reporter managed to salvage a spine from God knows where and was actually pressing Perino to answer?
November 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThis senseless ploy, as most of the bushco bushcrap, completely misses the point of the whole effort. There is a decision to be made: lay off the people supporting the troops and leave the troops in Iraq without any support at all or leave the support people in place and bring the troops home to be supported properly. Most normal patriotic citizens would opt for the latter. Not so the repukes. Congress should absolutely refuse to give bushco another dime for the Iraq invasion under any circumstances. What they should do is send airline tickets to every soldier with a rank of Captain and under and tell the chickensheet Generals to swim home. Those in between can have a choice.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:06 pmFear is the administration’s whole MO, and I think it is only working on the 24%ers now.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:07 pmIT WOULD BE VERY GOOD TO SEE THE TERRORIST ARMY OF THE USA, THE ONE THAT USED WHITE PHOSPHORUS AGAINS THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF FALUHJAH AND USED M-16 AGAINST THEM, THE ONE THAT IS OCCUPYING A FORINGNER COUNTRY, THE ONE THAT IMPRISION IRAQ CIVILIANS BY THE HUNDREDS AND TORTURING THEM , THE ONE THAT IS CONSTRUCTING MILITARY BASES INSTEAD PROVIDING WATER AND ELETRITICY TO THE IRAQ PEOPLE BEEING DEPLEETED SOME HOW.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWill the Democrats fall for this crapola and cave again? Or will they do the right thing and leave BushCo the following options:
1) Sign the bill and abide by its terms.
2) Veto the bill and hound Congress for a “no strings attached” bill (which he might very well get — again).
3) Veto the bill and do without the money by withdrawing troops.
4) Veto the bill and do without the money by laying off civilian defense workers.
If Dems can stand up to him and not allow 2) to be a viable option, Bush will have to go with 1), 3), or 4).
Bush is threatening 4) because it’s obviously the worst possible alternative and will scare the most people. It’s all marketing, you know. Of course, he may also be pushing 4) because it’s the only one left that doesn’t mean withdrawing combat troops. Unfortunately, it’s going to be tough to maintain combat units without the behind-the-scenes people, so Bush knows that 4) really isn’t an option — he’s just leveraging it to get Option 2).
Hold tough, Dems.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pmIt is worth remembering that the funds for the war are STILL provided as EMERGENCY FUNDING even though the conflict is years old.
I’ve never bought the idea that it couldn’t be part of a planned and budgeted process.
I want the war to end NOW, and I’m opposed to any sort of blank check for this criminal administration.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:11 pmI say call his bluff. Maybe then people will wake the heck up and begin seeing what is really happening with our military that being that out military personal is being used as nothing more than political fodder.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:16 pmCALL THEIR BLUFF!
NO MORE PENNIES, NICKELS, DIMES, QUARTERS, NOT ONE RED CENT!
November 20th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI wonder how Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and Kucinich would react to some base closures in their districts?
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 20, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
I wonder how Bush would react to impeachment?
November 20th, 2007 at 2:17 pmOkay fellows program be damned, I’m not submitting stories to Think Progress anymore.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:19 pmFear and Smear is all the Fascist Repukians War Pigs have, well, not exactly, they have cornered the market on graft, corruption, bribery, croneyism, lieing, war crimes, war profiting.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
November 20th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWhich reporter managed to salvage a spine from God knows where and was actually pressing Perino to answer?
Comment by jayjaybear
Helen was the hero here. She didn’t let little ‘eva braun’ off the hook. How anyone can claim to be a christian and then look at America and simply lie to them is unconscienable. I guess little dana thinks Bush can make her sins go away.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:19 pmOH, and BTW, I’d love to see Daryll whining when he’s layed off.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI’d love to see the entire Fort Lewis layed off. They’d have a hell of a time deploying Strikers when there aren’t any mechanics to service the machinery.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:22 pmGod…please smite that imbecile. Layoffs? From an Army that barely has enough bodies left for peacetime duties? Puh-leeze. OK– Do it. Layoff half our military. Let Japan build their own army. Let Germany. South Korea. Use the savings to pay some of our bills.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“Pass me the money, or the puppy gets it, see…”
November 20th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#18-
Well said. Also, instead of Murtha complaining about what Bush is doing, he should realize that Congress is just as complicit as Bush, if not more so, since Congress has the power to cut off the funding for this unnecessary occupation. I have not read where Murtha is backing Kucinich’s resolution to cut off the funding which is what he should be doing if he is actually interested in ending the occupation.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pmthis is how republicans support the troops — via carpetbaggerreport.com:
The U.S. Military is demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments.
To get people to sign up, the military gives enlistment bonuses up to $30,000 in some cases.
Now men and women who have lost arms, legs, eyesight, hearing and can no longer serve are being ordered to pay some of that money back.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:35 pmThe Democrats must make this a very public issue by using some message discipline for once. The talking points are:
1. President Bush has been unable to present a budget for these military operations to the Congress from the beginning of the war until today. Each one comes as an emergency bill. A remarkable feat since the war has lasted longer than US involvement in WWII.
2. The President and his cronies in Congress have wasted billions of dollars by forcing emergency spending bills upon Congress at the last second. The President and his corrupt party do this on purpose. They do not want an adequate review of spending or their contracting practices and we all know why.
3. The families of the military and civilian employees are constantly used as pawns in the President’s budget games.
4. The President does not care about the troops, the security of this nation or the role of the Congress. He would rather destroy all in an attempt to gain political points and force through a project which the majority of voters and the Congress disagree.
5. We have constantly seen this President harken back to his previous namesake, King George. A revolution was fought to save us from King George. A new one will be fought now to put an end to the anti-democratic practices of this President.
6. THE BUDGET WILL BE PASSED ON OUR TERMS AND NOT YOURS. YOU WILL EITHER NEGOTIATE AND COMPROMISE OR THERE WILL BE NO BILL. YOU WILL THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT ONLY FAILING TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS BUT IGNORING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:36 pm‘
The press should be assailed as well unless they admit that the President constantly creates these emergency conditions with the intent of subverting the will of the majority.
The Dems just added $50 billion in funding for the war. 70% of Americans want a withdrawal. What’s the problem? The Dems won by a whopping 11% margin last year because the people want an end to the war. We ain’t got the $2-3 TRILLION this fiasco is gonna cost us.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:39 pm24 - that’s good - you’re learning how threats and deception work - you’ll be running as an R for congress in no time.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:40 pm25 - it’s still the R’s fault we’re there, and it’s still the R’s fault the money’s being pissed away - don’t ask us why - ask your elected representatives.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:41 pmGates said DoD union members.
Union busting blamed on the Democrats along with not supporting the troops,
Brilliant!
November 20th, 2007 at 2:42 pmFrom their past actions the answer is yes; they’ll cave in, rollover and bend over all in one single motion…
November 20th, 2007 at 2:43 pmComment by tombaker — November 20, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
you act like we disagree. We don’t.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:43 pm#16 - Thank God for Helen Thomas, then!
November 20th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI don’t think layoffs are the way to go. Consolidation sounds more reasonable. Consolidate by closing certain bases and redeploying their personnel elsewhere. Start with bases in Pelosi’s, Reid’s, Kuchinich’s and Murtha’s districts.
Comment by cold_hard_left
You really believe this crap, don’t you? You really do. The whole invasion and occupation has been put on a credit card. It was done with emergency funds, not budgeted funds. Does that make sense to you? If the invasion and occupation was necessary for our civilization to remain, why not lay out the whole thing for all to see? Or does hiding a trillion dollars from the American people sound right to you?
You are drinking too much kool-aid. Take a breath every once in a while.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:46 pmsorry keith - we had a keith troll once upon a time.
i’m bummed with my D’s too, but they’re still apples to the R’s dogturds.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:46 pmWhy not drop unneeded weapons systems that could save tens of billions of dollars? Because we have a corporate-friendly congress? Why is it always military personnel who suffer?
November 20th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#16 - Thank God for Helen Thomas, then!
Comment by jayjaybear
Agreed. She is a fighter.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThey ought to start with the contractors first, such as Blackwater.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:50 pmsix years of supplemental spending and now it’s the Dem’s fault for wanting some accountability. Repeal some tax cuts and Bush could find the money easy. If this is truly the great conflict of our time then it’s high time some sacrifice is felt by the profiteers.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:51 pmi’m bummed with my D’s too, but they’re still apples to the R’s dogturds.
Comment by tombaker — November 20, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
That’s what I was trying to express. Kucinich is the only candidate I totally agree with.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:51 pmDO IT! Shut down this evil empire. The sooner the better.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:51 pmI don’t think layoffs are the way to go. Consolidation sounds more reasonable. Consolidate by closing certain bases and redeploying their personnel elsewhere. Start with bases in Pelosi’s, Reid’s, Kuchinich’s and Murtha’s districts.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 20, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Let the impeachment begin…
November 20th, 2007 at 2:51 pmPut a stop payment order on all contractors. Demand they continue the work for the good of our country and Iraq’s. Pull some of that profit from all that oil Iraq has been producing. Find the Billions pissed away in Iraq.
Don’t threaten the troops and their families.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:56 pmBiden. I support Biden.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI don’t think layoffs are the way to go. Consolidation sounds more reasonable. Consolidate by closing certain bases and redeploying their personnel elsewhere. Start with bases in Pelosi’s, Reid’s, Kuchinich’s and Murtha’s districts.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 20, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
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Which of the above have Military bases in their congressional districts?
November 20th, 2007 at 2:59 pm…
…
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fearmongering and smearing is what the GOP stands for today(proving they are completely bankrupt in reason, logic, compassion, understanding, or even common sense).
November 20th, 2007 at 3:03 pm#23, JMOHR,
Post of the day!
Good work.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:05 pmConsolidate by closing certain bases and redeploying their personnel elsewhere. Start with bases in Pelosi’s, Reid’s, Kuchinich’s and Murtha’s districts.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 20, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
spoken like a true traitor. maybe you can hang with Bush and Cheney.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:08 pmIf the Bush administration goes through with this, it will ignite a firestorm that will consume every Republican in this country.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:08 pmdon’t think layoffs are the way to go. Consolidation sounds more reasonable. Consolidate by closing certain bases and redeploying their personnel elsewhere. Start with bases in Pelosi’s, Reid’s, Kuchinich’s and Murtha’s districts.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 20, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
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Which of the above have Military bases in their congressional districts?
There isn’t a state in the union that doesn’t have military bases.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pmFight and fight ’cause might makes right
The market decides the worth of your life
Freedom ain’t free, it’s paid for in debt.
It’s yours to be had if the price is right.
It’s a grand old tradition debt and taxation
Representation is sold to the highest donations
Pawning the lives of a new generation
fighting a war to appease the corporations.
Hearts and minds, with us or against us,
cut and run, divide and conquer,
support the troops, obey the orders,
fight for the right to shut up and buy.
Darkness falls on the fate of a nation
Abandon your rights, support the mission
One nation under God
bringing the world death and salvation.
Shock and awe, sensory deprivation,
water board interrogations,
extraordinary renditions…
Human rights are pre-nine-eleven.
Liberation through occupation
November 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pmLies of aggression rain bombs of desperation
Kill ‘em all and let God ask the questions
The obvious conclusion: total annihilation.
I’ve got an idea…
Let’s layoff Congress for the entire Holiday season.
Without pay.
They’re going on paid break, anyway, let’s just take the ‘pay’ out of it.
Maybe the Justice Dept, as well.
Next, the White House staffers, including Dana Peroxide & Fred Fielding.
Questions?
November 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmFilthy Republican traitors.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:17 pmThe only fear I feel is fear of Bush and what he’s personally doing to destroy this country. If Congress won’t stop him, then the people are going to have to stop him. Is that what they want? Enough is enough.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThat this administration is given credibility regarding loyalty or commitment to our troops and veterans is appaling in its own right.
The Bush administration clearly hates American soldiers and their families.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pmComment by JMOHR — November 20, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Well said.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pmBush is praying his bluff won’t be called. This would be the biggest backfire this administration has ever faced.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWe could save a buttload of money by cutting off funding for Blackwater.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThis is Bush’s latest “pissing contest” with Congress. The baby is wailing (boo hoo) and making threats in his tantrum. We need to call the bluff of this bully once and for all.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:28 pmBesides, being a load of crap to begin with (our military has enough resources to last another full year without any immediate funding), what else is new or unanticipated with Bush’s actions being so incredibly and moronically transparent, not to mention profoundly pathological.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThat’s right! Cut off Blackwater and we stand to gain beaucoup dinero!
November 20th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI say, “Call their bluff and let them do it.”
If they think the *Democrats* will get the blame and the country will side with the Bush Administration when tens of thousands are laid off, no one will point to the guy three steps down the line, they’ll blame the nimrod whose name is on the order to fire them.
Go ahead Georgie, Make our day!
November 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmI’d love to see Congress stand up to this newest in a long line of Bush charades. He’s lying through his teeth and the country knows it. He’s crying like a baby and making idle threats. Let him threaten and even take action. It will only make him and the GOP look even worse.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmIt’s not just layoffs are union busting. It’s also cutting counseling for troops, suspending environmental measures, and cutting off social services.
Basically they’re cutting out all the “quaint” liberal-type things the government is providing.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:49 pmDumbass,
To quote your Uncle Dick, “Go F_CK yourself!”
November 20th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWhy can’t they just Pink Slip Blackwater/Halliburton employees?
November 20th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by fleetadmiralj
Can you say Walter Reed?
November 20th, 2007 at 4:08 pmConsolidate by closing certain bases and redeploying their personnel elsewhere. Start with bases in Pelosi’s, Reid’s, Kuchinich’s and Murtha’s districts.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 20, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Ronnie RayGun and Poppa Bush already beat you to it! Too bad, now all you do is hurt the red states! What a moron!
November 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThis isn’t really related (except in terms of rhetorical tactics that keep the war going) but I have to share this.
This is an incredible video of people on FOX & Friends claiming that anti-war demonstrators from Code Pink should be tazed and beaten:
VIDEO -
November 20th, 2007 at 4:15 pmFOX & Friends: Code Pink People Should Be Tazered, Beaten
http://test.redlasso.com/ service/ svc/ clip/ playClip?fid=18e5cf09-afd0-4975-b04b-2c6e7e488a36
This just another partisan Bush canard as he could easily create an executive order or fund the war thru his unfiscal budget.
November 20th, 2007 at 4:18 pmYou see keeping the war funded thru supplementals means he can make it look as if the congress is not funding the war, keeping it going and going and going when he SHOULD be funding the war thru the budget and not having this same debate every three months.
i
Comment by PaulD — November 20, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Only a brainwashed person would call themselves compassionate, moral, value voter would beat and shock somebody for being against muslim freedom operations in Iraq..
Meanwhile Vicks going to prison for dog fighting….And Mike Tyson will spend one day in jail for a DUI and drugs.
Bizarro World.
November 20th, 2007 at 4:24 pmComment by cold_hard_left — November 20, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Now thats good for national security. Did you know there are 737 bases worldwide and that many are not in any congress persons backyard?
I saw we take all the pork $$ from republican earmarks first.
November 20th, 2007 at 4:27 pmHelen was the hero here. She didn’t let little ‘eva braun’ off the hook. How anyone can claim to be a christian and then look at America and simply lie to them is unconscienable. I guess little dana thinks Bush can make her sins go away.
Comment by StratRat — November 20, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
God bless Helen Thomas! It will be a sad, sad day when she leaves the press room for good.
November 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pm“QUESTION: How many billions have we spent already for the Defense Department?
PERINO: The Defense Department says that they need this funding in order to keep the war running, as well as to keep these civilians…
QUESTION: Maybe they don’t want the war to keep running.”
BINGO!!!!
November 20th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThis is what professional wrestling looks like, folks. They put up great show where the Democrats get to show some backbone before finally funding the occupation of Iraq (for the troops, people, for the troops) that BOTH the corporate pro-war Parties want. There’s OIL under them sands, or have you forgotten?
Don’t you get it yet? We would not be where we are if we had an opposition Party, even a very small opposition Party, because the Constitution, correctly adhered to, is the great equalizer. We are where not because the Democrats were powerless, we are where we are because the Democrats are complicit in the pro-war agenda.
November 20th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWe are where not because the Democrats were powerless, we are where we are because the Democrats are complicit in the pro-war agenda.
Comment by Abby — November 20, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
That’s crap! What a bunch of bull crap! Sorry, but this whole affair is the failure and responsibility of the GOP, and for you to try to pin it on the democrats is just ‘tarded. What are you, a Republican propagandist or a green party fool? It’s hard to tell the difference, considering the green party gets most of its money from the GOP!
November 20th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI think this quote from Henry Kissinger reveals the true feelings of Republican neocons:
“Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.â€
November 20th, 2007 at 7:16 pmDon’t pay attention to Murtha. He never served in the military. In fact, does anyone have any proof that his name is really Murtha ? I heard that his middle name was Osama.
(/sarcasm)
November 20th, 2007 at 10:43 pmhe Democrats must make this a very public issue by using some message discipline for once. The talking points are:
[snip]
Comment by JMOHR — November 20, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Great suggestions, JMOHR. I place the odds of them doing so at about 27 million to one. Have you forgotten which party we are talking about?
Abby @73 also has a point.
November 20th, 2007 at 10:50 pmWe are where not because the Democrats were powerless, we are where we are because the Democrats are complicit in the pro-war agenda.
Comment by Abby — November 20, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
That’s crap! What a bunch of bull crap! Sorry, but this whole affair is the failure and responsibility of the GOP, and for you to try to pin it on the democrats is just ‘tarded. What are you, a Republican propagandist or a green party fool? It’s hard to tell the difference, considering the green party gets most of its money from the GOP!
Comment by republicans hate facts — November 20, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Way to present a cogent, rational argument there, RHF! Let’s see — name calling (”bull crap”, “‘tarded”, “What are you, a Republican propagandist or a green party fool?”)
What’s factually inaccurate or logically inconsistent in Abby’s post? Hmm?
Sadly, it’s not only Republicans who hate facts.
November 20th, 2007 at 10:53 pmWay to present a cogent, rational argument there, RHF! Let’s see — name calling (â€bull crapâ€, “‘tardedâ€, “What are you, a Republican propagandist or a green party fool?â€)
What’s factually inaccurate or logically inconsistent in Abby’s post? Hmm?
Sadly, it’s not only Republicans who hate facts.
Comment by gharlane — November 20, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
How about that Republicans falsified intelligence assessments, and have fought investigations, and efforts to defund the war? You f**kers lied about WMDs, you mismanaged the occupation and invasion, and now you mismanage the withdrawal. Your FAILURE is 100% REPUBLICAN - PERIOD - the opposite of what Abby (your FAKE LIBERAL REPUBLICAN ALTER EGO) posted.
Sadly it is the republican that hate facts - as your republican ‘tarded posts prove! But as usual, you sad, immoral and pathetic ‘tards project your traits on others - because reality has a liberal bias, and you can’t face reality! You are truly pathetic!
November 21st, 2007 at 1:31 amGreat suggestions, JMOHR. I place the odds of them doing so at about 27 million to one. Have you forgotten which party we are talking about?
Abby @73 also has a point.
Comment by gharlane — November 20, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Thanks for proving that the Democrats are free thinkers, and you wingnuts are lemming robots. We know exactly what party we’re talking about, and what a fascist terrorist ‘tarded thug you are - nazi boy!
November 21st, 2007 at 1:32 amcold_hard_left
So your definition of supporting the troops amounts to holding them and their families hostage?
Gee, I wonder how most veterans would view that.
November 21st, 2007 at 5:04 amIn the good old days, when budget issues would arise between Congress and the White House, the latter would get the Park Service to threaten to close down the Washington Monument to tourists; the idea being that Congress-people would get heat from constituents wanting to visit D.C.
Now we have come to a better world where civilian employees of the War Dept are threatened with furloughs; here the idea being that we have so many effing bases around the country and world that everyone’s ox will be gored.
November 21st, 2007 at 6:59 amBig words from Mr. Murtha but unfortunately we all know how it is going to end. Pass the “Democrats” version of the bill. Bush Veto. Pass the “Bush” version of the bill because “that’s the right thing to do”. Why not save themselves some time and just pass the Bush version to begin with. Then they could start their vacation early.
November 21st, 2007 at 11:51 amI am ashamed to have voted for a democratic congress in the last election. I have never seen such a spineless bunch of idiots who cave under the slightest of pressures.