Memo To New York Post: The Bush Administration Was Warned About 9/11
Memo To New York Post: The Bush Administration Was Warned About 9/11
New York Post reporter Andy Soltis writes of the latest Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll that finds a great majority of Americans believe the government failed to heed warnings about 9/11. Soltis writes that this poll shows increasing support for 9/11 “conspiracy theories”:
Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the federal government had warnings about 9/11 but decided to ignore them, a national survey found.
And that’s not the only conspiracy theory with a huge number of true believers in the United States. […]
Sixty-two percent of those polled thought it was “very likely” or “somewhat likely” that federal officials turned a blind eye to specific warnings of the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
The NY Post’s headline blares: “‘Blame U.S. For 9/11′ Idiots In Majority.” As frequent readers of this site are well aware, ThinkProgress does not condone 9/11 conspiracy theories which allege the attacks were an inside job. But whether the Bush administration failed to heed warnings of a terrorist strike is not a conspiracy theory — it is a fact.
Here are some bits of information the NY Post may want to read up on:
1) Bush received intel briefing on Aug. 6, 2001 entitled “Bin Laden Determined To Strike In US.” The briefing specifically warned to “patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks,” particularly targeted at New York.
2) CIA Director George Tenet briefing Condoleezza Rice and other top administration officials on July 10, 2001 about a specific urgent and looming threat from al Qaeda.
3) An FBI agent in Phoenix sent a memo to FBI headquarters on July 10, 2001, which advised of the “possibility of a coordinated effort” by bin Laden to send students to the United States to attend civil aviation schools.
The alarming nature of the Scripps poll is not that 62 percent of Americans believe the government ignored warnings of 9/11; it’s that nearly 40 percent still aren’t aware of that fact.
UPDATE: Malkin proudly trumpets the NY Post story as evidence of “America: Tinfoil hat nation.”
UPDATE II: Atrios pulls up this gem from the archives:
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the right pins the conspiracy on Clinton.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmbut all of the sane people know Bush is incapable of competence, and 9/11 was caused by his incompetence, or worse.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pmA book “The new pearl harbour” by David Ray Griffin states more facts that Bush new it would happen
His new book ” the 911 truths and ommisions report” is even better
62 percent of Americans believe the government ignored warnings of 9/11
How true
40 percent still aren’t aware of that fact.
Really that 29%ers who know perfectly well but blank it from their unimaginative brains and the remaining 11% are unaware as of yet
November 25th, 2007 at 3:20 pmcool! I’m alone in this thread! so, what’s shakin’?
November 25th, 2007 at 3:20 pmKeep the public dumbed down and uninformed so they can be more easily manipulated.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:21 pmWTC7 Proves it
November 25th, 2007 at 3:23 pm24% are willfully ignorant….why? I can’t imagine.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWhy doesn’t “Think Progress” believe that 911 could have been a conspiracy by the FASCIST BUSH?? Are you playing your “I’m not crazy card?”
Nothing would surprise me my friends!! And don’t think for one second these FASCIST BASTARDS aren’t capable!!!
November 25th, 2007 at 3:24 pmIm amazed the democrats have not done their own report on 911
But then again they are republicans also
November 25th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThere is a truism that holds that there is always 10% that never get the word. It is also a truism among 30% of the sheep that King George the Dumb can do no wrong. Together they account for the 40%. Extrapolation then give us the truism that 100% of the thinking and aware citizens in this Country believe that the bushco administration was, in some way, shape, or form, responsible for 9/11. It is also a truism that it is time for criminal charges against the bunch. Forget impeachment, start a new truism and hang the guilty bastards.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe fact the media is scared of showing WTC7 , proves it
November 25th, 2007 at 3:28 pmComment by Clyde the Ripper — November 25, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Excellent post….expresses my sentiments exactly.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:29 pmMind you 33% of Americans believe God is going to show up this year and every year there after, Just shows how mad America really is
November 25th, 2007 at 3:30 pmHere’s the Aug. 6th PDB-The Smoking Gun.
After reading it, how can anyone say the Bush administration wasn’t warned?
November 25th, 2007 at 3:34 pmMalkin now turns on the citizens of America.
She’s a fair-weather fascist.
-GSD
November 25th, 2007 at 3:37 pmTP Friends: Pee brain is banned for life from TP and has resorted to dispatching his mafia lieutenants to our progressive platform. Continue to keep a good lookout for them.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmRon Paul wants to reopen the 911 investigations to find out who failed on that day and the months before and exactly how so that we can prevent any future disaster and possibly punish those that should have received punishment in the first place….
Do you think he means it? What about Hillary or Obama? Will they just talk about it or DO it?
November 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pmI think only the 29%ers read the NY Post.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pmthe infinitely tall wall between the general consensus that bush/ Cheney
are the anti-chirst and the idea that they would stage a terror attack to fascilitate their plans baffles the mind. (my mind at least)
how can you believe in one breath that they are capable of killings thousands of US soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraq’s , and in the next breath think staging a terror attack on a few tall building is complete lunacy?
November 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmMore intelligent insight from Bart.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pmPuh-leeeeeeeeeze…most of my fellow New Yorkers will tell you that the New York Post is far from being a source of objective journalism. It’s owned by Rupert Murdoch — ’nuff said.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:59 pmAnd lest we forget, GWB’s vapid response to the topline CIA briefer who told him in detail the intel on an impending attack just prior to 9/11:
“Ok, you’ve covered your ass now.”
Guess our illustrious prez was thinking along the lines of the one reason he might impart this kind of news…
November 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmThe Post obviously forgets its own (misleading) headline from May 16, 2002: “BUSH KNEW“
November 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pmOnly a reich-winger would believe fact is a conspiracy.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:12 pmA snippet of Ms. Alexandrovna’s take on this:
“In any case, the poll question asks something that is not theoretical (were there warnings? yes there were) and how the public feels the federal government handled themselves (badly is the apparent consensus). How does that equal tin foil, inside job, and hatred of America?”
http://www.atlargely.com/ 2007/ 11/ hey-malkin-osam.html#comments
November 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pm6 years later and the NYP is finally getting around to this?
November 25th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI will bet a greater percentage around the world as compared to the US believes Bush knew and that there may be conspiracy tied to 9/11.
Ironically, this ‘tin-foiled hat nation’ rallied around and supported Bush with a 88% approval rating after 2002.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:19 pmIronically, this ‘tin-foiled hat nation’ rallied around and supported Bush with a 88% approval rating after 2002.
Comment by djames — November 25, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
I don’t believe that for a minute.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:20 pmTinfoil hat nation? Like believing that Hillary had Vince Foster murdered, or that Bill Clinton was involved in drug-running and murders in Mena, Arkansas?
November 25th, 2007 at 4:21 pmIronically, this ‘tin-foiled hat nation’ rallied around and supported Bush with a 88% approval rating after 2002.
Comment by djames — November 25, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Most of that was based on our, perfectly natural, wish for revenge. And, since then, we have learned to judge him by his actions. It’s hard to imagine anyone else going from 88% approval to “worst president ever”.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThe infinitely tall wall between the general consensus that Bush/ Cheney
are the Anti-Christ and the idea that they would stage a terror attack to fascilitate their plans baffles the mind (my mind at least)
how can you believe in one breath that they are capable of killings thousands of US soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraq’s , and in the next breath think staging a terror attack on a few tall building is complete lunacy? — Vietnow
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Not to mention the rather interesting fact that at least four of the founding members of PNAC (Project for a New American Century) — i.e., Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, and Paul Wolfowitz — are or have been prominent figures in the Bush administration alongside Bush’s own brother Jeb. As far back as 1997, PNAC was stating their belief that Saddamn Hussein needed to be removed from power — and quite some time before 9/11 ever happened, they postulated the idea that one of the best ways to get the American people to support their perspective would be if America were to suffer another attack along the lines of Pearl Harbor. Even if you refuse to believe that people in the Bush administration had advance knowledge of 9/11 and chose not to act, you have to admit that it is an unbelievably uncanny (not to mention remarkably convenient) coincidence…
November 25th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI, too, supported Bush after 9/11, even though I thought he stole the election (or, more precisely, it was stolen for him).
I supported him because I love my country and it was a time of crisis. So, like any good American, I stood behind our president despite all my misgivings of him.
He has, since that time, proven that he was and is utterly unworthy of that trust which many, many Americans placed in him. Like his father, he pissed away the goodwill of the 90% of the country which supported him.
Especially after he abused that goodwill to lie us into a war which we didn’t have to fight, a war which has been disastrously and incompetently run, he deserves nothing less than being tarred and feathered and run out of DC on a rail.
Straight to The Hague for war crimes trials.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:32 pmSpeaking of tinfoil nutters and Malkin, who accused the AP of some conspiracy [Bwah], is Bill Oreilly still pushing his conspiracy theory of war on Christmas?
November 25th, 2007 at 4:35 pmAs frequent readers of this site are well aware, ThinkProgress does not condone [treat as acceptable] 9/11 conspiracy theories which allege the attacks were an inside job.
And why not? There has not been a criminal investigation, after all. How can TP rule out any suspects? Why is it acceptable to consider only the theories that put blame on a man in a cave, and not consider theories that put blame on a man in a white house?
Can TP put definitive evidence out there to rule out an inside job? If so, I would like to see it.
The “official” explanation contains an impossibility - the cell phone calls from 40,000 feet.
Who are you protecting by not insisting on a full investigation into all possible suspects?
Quite frankly, the “inside job” theory makes more logical sense than the “bin Laden” theory, in my opinion.
How about it, ThinkProgress; care to call for an independent prosecutor to conduct a criminal investigation?
November 25th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI supported him because I love my country and it was a time of crisis. So, like any good American, I stood behind our president despite all my misgivings of him. -Renato
Thanks for your honesty and your ability to think on your own. Spare Aude!
Patriotism has nothing to do with standing beside the goverment but standing beside your country.
It is our duty to criticise the government for it is our servant and not our master.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:38 pmUm Sapre Aude. =)
November 25th, 2007 at 4:39 pmrenato….you stated how most sane people (including myself) felt after 9/11. I totally agree. Well done.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:40 pmIsrael can go sh_t itself!
November 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmEither way someone conspired to take out the towers. Conspire means really only an organised planned attack.
A group of people planned, conspired to take out Kennedy, we just dont know who.
I think the word conspired has been skewed to automatically mean something it isnt. Its like saying UFO, people immediately assume you saw a space ship from the pleiades with little green men when it means no such thing.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:44 pmQuite frankly, the “inside job†theory makes more logical sense than the “bin Laden†theory, in my opinion.
How about it, ThinkProgress; care to call for an independent prosecutor to conduct a criminal investigation?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
I have to agree. Push for a full criminal investigation NOW.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pmRead Sec of Transportation’s Norman Mineta’s testimony to the 911 commision and you can see how Cheney handled our airspace.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pmWhy has there been no investigation into the Air Forces lack of response? Is this the smoking gun?
OK, TP - does that tell you it is time for you to stop banning posts about 911 and the possibility that the government was complicit?
November 25th, 2007 at 4:54 pmhow can you believe in one breath that they are capable of killings thousands of US soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraq’s , and in the next breath think staging a terror attack on a few tall building is complete lunacy?
Comment by vietnow
That’s not what most people are saying, loon. They are saying that Bush had forewarning about 911 and allowed it to happen because he saw that it would be to his advantage. People on this thread are not saying that Bush and Company staged 911 (even though that is a possibility), but that they sat idly by and allowed it to happen. Now, please go back to redstate.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:59 pmRead Sec of Transportation’s Norman Mineta’s testimony to the 911 commision and you can see how Cheney handled our airspace.
Why has there been no investigation into the Air Forces lack of response? Is this the smoking gun?
Comment by gumby — November 25, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
I’ve never felt that the lack of response via aircraft has been sufficiently explained. My understanding is that there was a “drill” going on at the time but couldn’t they have gotten word to ANY of the military aircraft in the area that “this is not a drill!” and intercept asap?
November 25th, 2007 at 4:59 pmStart with this for a rational look for the investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=IwQa5eokieY&feature=related
November 25th, 2007 at 4:59 pmOne mustn’t forget that all the knowledge collected before 9/11 pointed to various Saudis. Busheses (yes, I just made that up) don’t do anything that might upset the House of Saud.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:08 pmThe Secretary Defense allowed the nerve center of his operations(Pentagon) to be hit by a hostile enemy force and instead of being fired he was allowed to run the war against Iraq.
Smells bad to me.
-GSD
November 25th, 2007 at 5:11 pmI have a question. Has Osama bin Laden ever actually claimed to be responsible for 911 or has he just allowed people to think that’s the case once the government declared him responsible? And if he has declared himself responsible, why does his wanted poster have him for the crime of attacking the Cole and not for attacking the US on 911?
Inquiring minds need to know.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:11 pmGeorge W. Bush stood idly by while evil elements have launched a war on Christmas too!
-GSD
November 25th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWhere’s the “85% believe an incorporeal being gives a shit about them”?
November 25th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThank you TP for running this article and “allowing” comments on 9/11. This event is at the heart of the progressive responsibility.
TP, Americablog, crooks and liars (especially crooks and liars) are in danger of becoming a scrubbed, sterile source for the many progressive people who are seeking answers, dialouge and community in the MSB mainstream blogs. The passion over the unanswered questions surrounding 911 is one of very few unifying concerns. This is a great way to win over the undecided because most have decided that the official story is shaky at best.
Make this a central issue of concern when engaging ‘08 candidates.
With respect and kindness to all.
TP and Faiz - Thanks again for runnig this!
PS Join us Cenk, Join us Maher.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:15 pmBilbo, let’s operate in reality a little bit here. I appreciate that TP is not going to post stuff that’s not substantiated with evidence. Now, you’re just started to make things up. Bin Laden has been taped talking about 9/11:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14726670/
And yes, he has claimed responsibility:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html
November 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pmBilbo, let’s operate in reality a little bit here. I appreciate that TP is not going to post stuff that’s not substantiated with evidence. Now, you’re just started to make things up. Bin Laden has been taped talking about 9/11:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14726670/
And yes, he has claimed responsibility:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html
Comment by Hank — November 25, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Hank,
Linking to Fox is a hit against your credibility. Heads up on that.
Also, Produce for me a video or link of a plane hitting the pentagon. Not a few vague frames and such that has been officially released.
I am not asking you to be an expert on controlled demolition, or melting steel or missing bodies. i do not care what your party is or who your support goes to. I am not even saying conspiracy. I am simply in desire of a link to the footage of a plane attacking the pentagon.
There were hundreds of cameras pointing in all directions at the time of impact. Where is the footage? You seen it? Why not? Who cares what Bin Laden says. What do your eyes say? Not the eyewitness accounts afterward. What do your eyes say? Do they say you have seen this footage? Why not? Please join in asking this question.
With respect and kindness to you my friend Hank. Peace be with you.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:25 pm#54 - I read somewhere recently where someone had actually phoned the FBI Headquarters and asked why OBL wasn’t listed as “most wanted” for the crime of 9/11, and they told the person that they didn’t have him listed because they had no real evidence that he was responsible for the crime. (Or something very close to that).
November 25th, 2007 at 5:25 pmSo, what is that supposed to mean?
I’m betting that the plans to invade Iraq were done in the secret energy meetings that Scalia won’t let the American people see the minutes of. We know that there were maps released showing the country’s oil being divvied up. Assuming Dick was hard at work planning the hostile acquisition of Iraq National Oil and their $100 trillion dollar reserves….all that was missing was a justification to invade. The fabricated WMD reasoning could never have been accepted without 9/11 as a backdrop. Remember, when the IWR was being debated, we hadn’t yet had a report from the 9/11 Commission.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSee, guys like Bill Maher react to any mention of Bush administration responsibility for 911 like its taboo or something. He acts like anyone considering it is wacko and just weaving conspiracy tales.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
And Yet, I heard right out of Bill Maher’s mouth, “I don’t believe ANYTHING that comes out of Bush’s mouth”. Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky are also part of what is known as “Left - Gatekeepers”. Either these people are being funded by Likud Party Loyalists, or they relate “Conspiracies” to people like Alex Jones. Sure Alex, Mike Rivero of Whatreallyhappened, and other Right Wing Commentators and Bloggists have ass-backward social ideas and their denial of Global Warming is almost comical, but they are spot on when it comes to two essential facts………9/11 and the Police State. The Lefties are afraid they will look like nuts by agreeing with some of the militia guys. So in essence, lefties don’t believe anything from Bush, EXCEPT 9/11.
My smoking guns were WTC7 and the NORAD stand down.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThe progression is occurring of the majority of americans who believe that at least this government was irresponsible and culpable in 911. Soon it may progress into the next realm of realization that it may have even been a False Flag Op.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:35 pmMy ’smoking gun’ is the precise timing of the “war games” which were ongoing on 9/10 and 9/11. Very suspicious timing of events.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWhat better way to weave a web than to plan a war game which has precisely the same scenario?? Clever but not clever enough to not be a “smoking gun”.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:36 pmAs for the NORAD stand down, it was critical that a “civilian” and not a military general be in charge of NORAD - enter Bush Puppet: Rumsfeld.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThe conspiracy ball is gathering momentum and will take this administration under and into jail when it hits fully.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:38 pmComment by criticalthinker — November 25, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
I think that TP does believe in the thin line between speculation and libel. Especially when ruthless people control the courts. Frankly, I’m surprised that anyone prints any doubts about 9/11.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
As a person who doesn’t speak Arabic, or Farsi, I have some doubts about anything that’s translated by a government agent/agency. Personally, I’ve never been convinced that OBL is who they claim he is. I’ve never been convinced he (if he is really him) is the head of AQ. I’ve never been convinced he was in Afghanistan. I’m not convinced he is still alive. And, I’m certainly not convinced he still exercises operational control of any terrorist organization.
I am super-duper not convinced that anyone can control an international movement, by cell phone, from a mountain cave. But, I’m a difficult person to convince. Many others are more credulous.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:39 pm#70
My ’smoking gun’ is the precise timing of the “war games†which were ongoing on 9/10 and 9/11. Very suspicious timing of events.
Yes, and amazingly FEMA was in NY on Sept 10, BECAUSE the war games called for planes flying into the WTC. BUT CONDI…Oh we never could have thought of that. FU(kING LIAR.
Scroll down and look at the covers of the “Emergency Response to TERRORISM” Self study guide”
It is basically a bullseye ON THE FLOORS WHERE THE PLANES HIT!!!!!
How can this NOT be a CRAZY FLASHING RED LIGHT ON YOUR DASHBOARD?????
November 25th, 2007 at 5:43 pmIt just defies logic that a crime against this country on that scale, killing that many people, was never allowed to be thoroughly investigated. Physical evidence was not allowed to be examined. Videotapes were confiscated and locked away from public access.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:44 pmThat is the part I have the hardest time with. Why not allow an investigation? It was an enormous crime. If it brings out the truth, the weaknesses in our system, defines things that need to be fixed or things that went wrong, exposes people that may have been culpable, those are all things that need to be known so that we can fix what doesn’t work and people would be held accountable for whatever role they played. It is only logical.
That was never allowed to happen. The 9/11 Commission Report was not an investigation. It was a sorry whitewash. Anyone who tries to ask any logical questions is immediately vilified and marginalized, called a conspiracy theorist or a kook.
What is NOT logical is just accepting what we are told, like sheep, with no evidence to back it up. That is just wrong.
Most Americans just want an investigation so they can KNOW the truth, and not have all these doubts and questions - whoever is responsible or whatever the outcome, we just need to know. That is all we want. The truth - and accountability.
If it happened the way the administration says, then an investigation would bear that out, and the questions would stop. We were never given that chance. I doubt we ever will.
Thanks TP for posting this.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:44 pmWell thats interesting. I’d like to see a reference for it though, but it sure is interesting.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Here are some sources - of course, I’ve seen nothing official from mainstream sources, but, then, I’ve not read a whole lot about 9/11 in the MSM - it’s like the topic of 9/11 is verbotten.
I found 32,000 references to “9/11 and simulated hijackings”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/ discuss/ duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×1694495
November 25th, 2007 at 5:44 pmhttp://www.fromthewilderness.com/ free/ ww3/ 011805_simplify_case.shtml
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ free/ ww3/ 080406_one_wargame.shtml
Bilbo, let’s operate in reality a little bit here. I appreciate that TP is not going to post stuff that’s not substantiated with evidence. Now, you’re just started to make things up. Bin Laden has been taped talking about 9/11:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14726670/
And yes, he has claimed responsibility:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html
Comment by Hank
No, Hank, I am not making anything up. I was asking a question. I truly did not remember ever hearing Osama take responsibility and I also find it unusual that the government does not have him on a wanted poster for committing 911.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pmKPRC tapes drones over Houston
November 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pmPlease libs, this is totally ridiculous and even you wackos know it. 911 happened NOT because of George Bush or Clinton although I can see how some people could blame it on his admin but really, let’s face it, we were all caught off guard again. This absurd poll is as absurd as the one that said that something like 65% or so think Iraq was behind 911. Any sane thinking person knows that’s not true. We went to Iraq not as revenge for 911 but for many other reasons.
Why even bother printing this poll on this site??
November 25th, 2007 at 5:51 pmWhat about it?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
WTC7 was the 3rd building that collapsed, later in the day, in the same manner the first 2 did. It wasn’t hit by a plane, but collapsed none the less, hours later. The MSM has done a MARVELOUS job of keeping this out of the public arena. How do you hide the fact that a building collapsed all by itself?
http://www.wtc7.net/background.html
What Was In Building 7?
Building 7 was one of New York City’s larger buildings. A sleek bronze-colored skyscraper with a trapezoidal footprint, it occupied an entire city block and rose over 600 feet above street level.
I’m not really a conspiracy kinda person (more of a chronic wise *ss…) but this one has me puzzled, both the fact that it happened, and the way the media and the Bsch Admin has steered attention away from it right from the start.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:52 pmWish they’d make as much fuss about the fact that so many people still believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks on 9/11!
November 25th, 2007 at 5:58 pmWe went to Iraq not as revenge for 911 but for many other reasons.
Why even bother printing this poll on this site??
Comment by John Kerry — November 25, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Why bother to show up and spew the same pointless lies over and over and over again, “John”??? There is so much funky sh8t oozing out of 9/11, I sure as hell would love to see a truly honest, independent investigation done. the second I heard Herr brusch had decided to put Kissinger in charge of the mess, I knew THAT goose was gonna be cooked to the nth degree.
Try coming up w/ a comment that has some “point”, “John”.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by John Kerry — November 25, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Thanks for your concern. It has been noted and given due consideration, coming from a coward who persists in stealing the name of a war hero.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:01 pmLeave it to the JK troll to assert that asking questions makes one a “wacko”.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:02 pmFor now though I can’t say that I know those training drills occured that way, although its certainly possible they did. I just don’t have enough data one way or the other.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Precisely why I asked the question. Why wasn’t it asked in the 9/11 Commission hearing? Nothing about the war games were discussed. The thing that leads credence, IMHO, about the simulated hijackings are the people who died that worked at Raytheons RC Systems division….makes sense that they would have been involved if the USAF was testing their system’s ability to take over control of the aircraft during a simulated hijacking event.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:03 pmOr why the FAA tapes of the interviews of the flight controllers on that day were cut up into pieces and placed in different garbage cans throughout the building they were in. With no backup or transcript.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:07 pmYeah, that happens all the time.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/ articles/ may2004/ 070504shreddingevidence.htm
That’s not what most people are saying, loon. They are saying that Bush had forewarning about 911 and allowed it to happen because he saw that it would be to his advantage. People on this thread are not saying that Bush and Company staged 911 (even though that is a possibility), but that they sat idly by and allowed it to happen. Now, please go back to redstate.
billbobaggins,
Obviously billbo you know nothing about the law. If they allowed it to happen then they are coconspirators and guilty as accessories before the fact which means they are just as guilty as the field agents that executed the attack. This makes them candidates for the death penalty!
November 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pmHere is undeniable proof the BBC had foreknowledge of the WTC7 demolition. A crime that killed at least one person and there is no statute of limitations for murder. So the 2 newscastors in this video are accessories to murder before the fact. not to mention higher ups at the BBC.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:31 pmhttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096
Warrants should be sworn out for these 2 BBC newscastors for premeditated murder and the face the death penalty. If they want to cut a deal and name names maybe we’ll take the death penalty off the table.
Why has this not been done already?
This makes them candidates for the death penalty!
Comment by HEh — November 25, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. You may choose any prize from the bottom shelf.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:32 pmThe Mother Issue of Our Time needs to be exposed : 9/11
and the result : The war on Terror is a lie and a fraud.
Talk to Osama Bin Bush - he knows.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:32 pmI have a question. Has Osama bin Laden ever actually claimed to be responsible for 911 or has he just allowed people to think that’s the case once the government declared him responsible? And if he has declared himself responsible, why does his wanted poster have him for the crime of attacking the Cole and not for attacking the US on 911?
Inquiring minds need to know. — bilbobaggins
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Actually, according to one documentary I’ve seen (I think it was “Loose Change”) which probes many of the mysteries still surrounding 9/11, Osama bin Laden has supposedly not only not claimed responsibility for 9/11 but has in fact denied responsibility at least once. According to this documentary, the link between Osama bin Laden and 9/11 is based heavily on a single videotape allegedly produced by al-Qaeda — however, according to this documentary, there are several inexplicable anomalies in this videotape which have led some people to conclude that the person portrayed in this tape is not actually bin Laden but someone attempting to impersonate him. For starters, the images in this videotape are somewhat blurry and out-of-focus whereas other videotapes which have been verified as being of al-Qaeda origin are more in focus. Secondly, the person who is alleged to be Osama bin Laden in this tape is shown writing with the opposite hand with which bin Laden is typically known to write with. Thirdly (and perhaps most damningly), when a still of the person from the videotape — albeit blurry — is placed side-by-side against a still photograph of Osama bin Laden, there appear to be distinct differences in the facial features which the blurriness of the videotape can’t fully disguise. Specifically, the nose in the person from the videotape appears to be noticeably shorter in proportion to the rest of the face than that of the real Osama bin Laden (whose nose is quite long). “Loose Change” does not go so far as to directly accuse the Bush administration of involvement in the events of 9/11 or of orchestrating them — but the documentary is well-worth watching, because it goes into a lot of the loose ends which the media and the government have chosen to gloss over.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:41 pmBluestocking: OBL denied responsibility several times; it’s the Bush Cabal who has been trying to pin it on him.
I like the post above about culpability: “the before the fact conspiracy theory” should put all of them in prison for a very long time.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:43 pmHave a look at how quickly they used it.
Have a look at how ‘the war on terrah’ has been used over and over
to change the fabric of this country to benefit the fascist war-pigs.
Have a look at their invasion, does it seem justifiable to you ?
You don’t think they are capable of killing their own ?
They kill their own every single day.
Knowing it was coming and doing nothing with that knowledge but
preparing to use the result MAKES IT AN ‘INSIDE JOB’.
Then, one of the questions becomes, how much did they know and
November 25th, 2007 at 6:44 pmwhen did they know it ?
Answering that can further the idea of it being an ‘inside job’.
You damn right they knew.
It boggles my mind why people or newspapers or magazines…”does not go so far as to directly accuse the Bush administration of involvement in the events of 9/11 or of orchestrating them”
Why not? What will happen. If they wish to sue you for libel or slander, then they would have to produce evidence that shows your statements are false. And can they??? No. So, in effect we can say whatever the FU(K we want and they can’t do SH|T about it.
FU(K EM.
A government should be afraid of its people, not the other way around.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:45 pmWhich is why I think there needs to be a serious investigation by someone OTHER than the guys we’re investigating.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Agreed, Bartles. Again, I’m not a conspiracy kind of person, but there are just so damned many weird details and unacknowledged facts, like the collapse of WTC7, hanging around this mess that I really, really would like to see this looked into again.
Back in 2001 & 2002, I went thru a business collapse that made national headlines. I was only a small player, but I was right at ground zero and knew far more than almost anyone else involved what actually happened.
This situation made national headlines, involved some very big players in a high-profile industry, had the FBI skulking around, blah-ditty-blah-blah.
This is all true. There were even a couple of internet gossip columns devoted to the ongoing saga. Everyone around the edges was so curious about what was going on behind the scenes. So many different people knew this fact or that fact, and they were all trying to guess what it all meant. There was even a Wiki entry about it at the time, and it was a pretty decent guess, but none of it was completely right.
You couldn’t blame the folks involved for being so curious and trying to figure it out for themselves, though. Having been thru that and knowing as much as I did from behnd the scenes, I kind of look at different takes on 9/11 and can see people doing the same thing.
I guess it’s just natural to take pieces of a puzzle as big and confusing and eventful as this and try to make sense of it all. However, until we have all the real info, we don’t know, and I for one would dearly love to know, and I DON’T believe what I’ve been told so far at all.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:46 pmAn observation: Amazing how the consciousness of this country has risen vis-a-vis opening up to the possibility and now probability that the Bush Cabal was “somehow” involved in 911 - either directly or because of “before the fact knowledge” and culpability. This is called “critical mass consciousness” which has been evolving rapidly over the past year.
Those who would prefer to NOT believe such things about those in power who should be “above reproach” and incapable of such heinous crimes are being convinced by the daily litany of corruption, lies, and wrongdoing by this administration. Once the scale is tipped in the corruption side of things, it’s logical that people (now 64%) believe something unsavory about this gang of thugs. Just like our international reputation, it’s changed, perhaps irrevocably, thanks to the war crimes and criminal activities of this administration. Unfortunately, once the scale tips, it doesn’t level itself off or back to where it originated unless a “whole lot of shit” is removed…..which means that this critical mass consciousness regarding 911 and how much Bush, himself, knew will continue to tip in the direction of corruption and complicity unless/until the garbage heap of propaganda and bullshit is dumped from the scale.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:48 pmTRoS: The mountain of evidence which runs contrary to the propaganda we’ve been sold is becoming an avalanche which, by it’s sheer nature (science and eyewitness testimony) will soon cover those left in this administration….which may be precisely why they’re all jumping ship early.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmWhy has this not been done already?
Comment by HEh — November 25, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Is this about the television news reporters who announced that WTC7 had collapsed BEFORE it actually went down? That’s ANOTHER one I’d like looked into. Just TOO, TOO many weird, funky detals hanging around unexplained. Why did the MSM avoid talking bout WTC7 so completely?
I don’t know if it’s true, but I heard the 9/11 Commission avoided WTC7 too. Why? How do you NOT acknowledge such a big building falling down?
November 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIt’s amazing how on the FBI’s own website : OBL is not listed as wanted for 9/11.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pmThere’s a whole host of sites which contain amazing witness testimony, scientific evidence, and theories about aspects of 911 from which all “bad things” derive - (Patriot Act, loss of habeas corpus, illegal spying, etc.). Without 911, these constitutional “abuses” by the Bush Cabal could not have occurred. 911 became PNAC and AIPAC’s new “wet dream”.
One of the 911 truth sites mentions that the mysterious implosion of Building 7 is due to the fact that this building housed the Enron Files (ahem~!) which preceeded Ken Lay’s demise and trial. More to certainly come on this…..
And, of course, the one individual who was in charge of “WTC security” on 911 was none other than Neil Bush, I believe….(another smoking gun?).
Once this 911 avalanche begins to come down the mountain, it will begin to resemble a tsunami and it’s heading for Penna. Avenue right now.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:55 pmHi Kay: I understand that OBL has never been listed as a bona fide enemy. People are beginning to believe that he never left the employ of the CIA who hired him and trained him to help drive the Russians from Afghanistan. Of course, GWB and OBL were childhood buddies and their families vacationed together. Amazing that we claim to have such sophisticated intel and yet we can’t find OBL??? Something’s wrong with that picture for sure.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:57 pmthe problem with whitewashing “conspiracy theories” as nonsense is history. Iran-Contra, Operation Gladio, Watergate etc were all ridiculed in the same way, yet they all turned out to be true. Plus there is the inconvenience of mountains of circumstantial evidence, most of which you can find here.
What you will find is an impressive trail of stonewalling. Not incompetance. Behind the Phoenix memo story you will find that certain actors sat on or buried the intel. The same happened when agents picked up the scent on several of the hijackers. They were prevented from persuing the matter. It can also be shown that most of the hijackers obtained their visas through one embassy in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, through very suspect methods and no oversight. One guy protested and he was shipped out.
You dont even need to waste time with controlled demolitions or missiles.
But most damning of all is the history of state sponsored “False Flag” terrorism. And for a peek through the keyhole on such events i recommend the following book: Nato’s Secret Armies. Read that and you will see that 9/11 could indeed be a false flag operation. BTW this book is an academic peice and is infact the authors published Phd.
Also, Bush may well have had knowledge of the impending attack, but that doesnt mean he knew who was involved. Read the above book and you will discover that sitting governments and politicians were the last to find out.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:58 pmOnce some more of this info hits the streets like today’s headlines, the GOP will have absolutely NO REASON whatsoever to even run a candidate in 08. Why would anyone waste their time and money at that point?
November 25th, 2007 at 6:59 pmComment by espo I OWE YOU AN APOLOGY
I made a mistake by calling you a troll and I offer you a sincere apology. There is no excuse for what I did, I’m sorry. It was foolish to jump to conclusions, based on a google search of past comments. I was not acting ethically or or intelligently ,when I chose not to read more of your other comments.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:00 pmAs frequent readers of this site are well aware, ThinkProgress does not condone 9/11 conspiracy theories which allege the attacks were an inside job. But whether the Bush administration failed to heed warnings of a terrorist strike is not a conspiracy theory — it is a fact.
Faiz, I will respect your site policy. But I feel it necessary to point out that the fact that the Bush Administration failed to heed warnings of a terrorist strike is not only a fact, it is a fact that happens to conform to the idea posited by some that the attacks were an inside job. It doesn’t prove those theories, but absolutely does nothing to disprove them, either. I’ll stop there, and thank you for posting an item about 9/11, and for making your policy on the subject more clear (which would be best to do each itme.)
November 25th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIs this about the television news reporters who announced that WTC7 had collapsed BEFORE it actually went down?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 25, 2007
Yes If you click the link you can clearly watch the reporters discussing the collapse of WTC7 while it is clearly still standing behind her. The news report started around 4:57PM EST. WTC7 was demolished at 5:27PM EST.
This is clear evidence of foreknowledge and accessory to murder (not to mention insurance fraud and numerous other crimes) before the fact.
I repeat this is ample evidence for warrants to be sworn out against these newscastors and charges to be levied.
Here is the link again in case you missed it.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096
This is a good starting point for a real investigation. Charge these “reporters” and watch them sing. You will get a trail right to the real culprits pretty damn quick.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:04 pmFor anyone who just can’t bring themselves to believe it could be an inside job (false flag operation) just ask yourself this critical question:
November 25th, 2007 at 7:05 pmHow is the killing of these people to enable a war of choice in Iraq and an eternal war on terror which defiles our constitutional rights be any different than the level of nonchalance regarding the daily sacrifice of now over 4,000 of our innocent patriots?? It’s a “no brainer”. They could care less about the unnecessary deaths of our military and the Iraqi people - can you really deceive yourself into believing that they would care about the “collateral damage” of those lost in the WTC?? Come now…do a “gut check”. Humans are hardwired for “truth” and can smell a rat a mile away. Do a gut check and ask yourself how the killing of innocent victims in NY is any different to this gang of capricious thugs than what they’re doing to our military in Iraq every day of the week.
And, of course, the one individual who was in charge of “WTC security†on 911 was none other than Neil Bush, I believe….(another smoking gun?).
Comment by Veritas
Close but not quite veritas. Neil Bush’s contract ended at midnight on 9-11-01
November 25th, 2007 at 7:06 pmvery convienent no?
Heh: Yes, indeed. Congress needs to get to the bottom of this irregularity immediately. Charge the reporters and have them sing away.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:06 pmHeh: Are you kidding me? Now what a coincidence to get his sorry butt off the grill but it won’t hold water. He would still have access to the place even though he technically was not in charge.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:07 pmNeil Bush’s contract expires on 9/10/01 - and Rudy Giuliani’s war games “camp” was erected on 9/9/01. Something’s fishy here…..one more Bush to go to prison??
November 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pmClose but not quite veritas. Neil Bush’s contract ended at midnight on 9-11-01
comment by HEh
Sorry I meant to say midnight on 9-10-01
November 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pmWell thats interesting. I’d like to see a reference for it though, but it sure is interesting.
Bartlebee. Its all fully documented in the book, Crossing the Rubicon by Mike Ruppert. Though i would also recommend using the link i posted above (effictively a Sept 11 Lexis Nexis). No “truth” websites are required. and i would also recommend people steer clear of them, or at the very least be careful, as their are fake sites out there. “CoOperative Research” is pretty much all you need. Take time and read their entire timeline. Its sourced entirely from mainstream media sources, and is fully referenced. Plus there is little or no opinion, except raising a few questions here and there.
as the saying goes:
“Only the small secrets need to be protected. The large ones
November 25th, 2007 at 7:15 pmare kept secret by public incredulity.”
On a related topic:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ brad-friedman/ exclusive-daniel-ellsber_b_74022.html
November 25th, 2007 at 7:16 pmBTW heres an article by the author that draws from the book Nato’s Secret Armies.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:19 pmYou will get a trail right to the real culprits pretty damn quick.
Comment by HEh — November 25, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
That is truly creepy footage. How did the folks involved ever manage to keep this bit of the story so completely hidden?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:24 pmDo a search on Marvin Bush (little brother) and wtc.
Smells pretty fishy!
November 25th, 2007 at 7:28 pmI’m no conspiracy theorist but there sure are a lot of coincidences involved!
November 25th, 2007 at 7:29 pm#3 Bush Cover Ups: The New Pearl Harbor by Griffin is a ‘must read’. Griffin has a website as well which delves into the problems with the 911 commission’s “official story”.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:31 pmThat is truly creepy footage. How did the folks involved ever manage to keep this bit of the story so completely hidden?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 25, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
I’ve always wondered if the reporters have ever said why they were reporting the building down, when it was still there. Who gave them that information? Was it an honest mistake?
How much evidence has been destroyed regarding 9/11? Could an independent investigation ever really come to a solid conclusion, due to the missing evidence?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:32 pmDayTripper: “public incredulity” is what this WH is counting on to keep the truth from the people - the realization of their own fallibility and the corruption of those whom we’ve “chosen” to be our leaders.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:33 pmAdmittedly, the secrecy and overstepping of the Bush admin makes it easy to believe any and all tinfoil hat theories.
OTOH - I even have to wonder if the New York Post artcle is an attempt to make people feel sheepish about believing the conspiracy hat theories and thereby more likely to dismiss future theories.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:33 pmHi Zooey! Yes, this footage is very damning evidence in a court of law. I think it’s time to subpoena these reporters who were either playing with their crystal ball and prognosticating or whoops….had some inside information.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:34 pmWow.
Has TP finally come out of the ether?
Bravo. Better late than never.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:35 pmMapleStreet: Believe nothing (even this perhaps quasi indictment by the Post) - thise group of clowns are capable of anything and no nadir appears to be below them. Frankly, they’re the ones who will be found to have “tin foil hat theories” when all is said and done and the truth is apparent. Their “tin foil hat theory” is that as Tripper said it above, our own “incredulity” will keep us from believing the truth about ourselves. This is NOT going to occur when the rest of the world will bring us to our own truth.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:36 pmCould an independent investigation ever really come to a solid conclusion, due to the missing evidence?
Comment by Zooey — November 25, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
Z… howzitgoin’???
November 25th, 2007 at 7:37 pmDay Tripper: If your supposed tome on truth is referencing “mainstream media sources”, then how can it be anything but Bush propaganda?? You seem to be “tripping” yourself up on your own pitard there.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:38 pmBesides, I’ve located a bundle of 911 truth sites which are far from bogus and provide very damning evidence and testimony. Granted the sites are growing as mass consciousness is expanding, however, to make the judgment that they’re all nonsense is a gross overstatement, DayTripper. Are you drinking Kool Aid yourself right now?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:40 pmDayTripper: “public incredulity†is what this WH is counting on to keep the truth from the people - the realization of their own fallibility and the corruption of those whom we’ve “chosen†to be our leaders.
Veritas, your right. But 9/11 is not only protected by public incredulity and state disinformation. It is also protected by left-wing “gatekeepers”.
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when
November 25th, 2007 at 7:40 pmeverything the American public believes is false” William Casey, CIA Director
Bartles: Give me a moment and I’ll locate this fact for you. Neil would be Shrubbie’s bro.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:41 pmPete: Boogeyman OBL isn’t who we’ve been led to believe he is; in fact, that supposed tape of him taking responsibility has been proven to be nothing more than another “false flag” - a fake.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:42 pmZ… howzitgoin’???
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 25, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Going well, TRoS. Haven’t seen you lately.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:42 pm“left wing gatekeepers” would be whom?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:43 pmFaiz, thank you for putting up this thread. A certain percentage of Americans are generally clueless, but we shouldn’t be clueless about something as basic as this.
OTOH, “RemoveBush” is upset that his comments have been deleted.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:45 pmSure. If a pattern of destroying evidence is concluded then that allone can be a damning peice of evidence. But what we need is a real prosecutor and a real court and no freaking GONZALES’s to cover up for their master.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
If I understand correctly much or most of the steel from the WTC was carted away and sold as scrap — before any investigators could examine it.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:46 pmNeil would be Shrubbie’s bro.
Comment by Veritas — November 25, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
Was Neil the brother involved in the Silverado mess back in the early 80’s?
BTW, Veritas, I tried replying to one of your posts early and the site kept eating my comment. It was about your saying how the scales are finally tipping, and I agree. Let’s hope they tip over completely.
I found it quite telling the way the Krongard Bros bailed when their intertwined relationship around Blackwater was outted. Those boys ran for cover immediately. 2,3 yrs ago, “Buzzy” and “Cookie” would have just p*ssed on everyone. Now, they actually looked scared.
ABOUT… F*’in… TIME!!!
November 25th, 2007 at 7:47 pmGoing well, TRoS. Haven’t seen you lately.
Comment by Zooey — November 25, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Yeah… swamped at work. MAJOR funding application due next week, plus almost complete collapse of of internal computer network = waaaay tooo much work for a fun-lovin’ bear who’d prefer to be singin’ songs…
New computers all set up and networked, thanx to yers truly, and just one more week and that F-in’ application is off my desk for another year.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:50 pmThis one always amazed me. Removal of Bomb-Sniffing Dogs Thursday before. No smoking gun, but loaded, ready to go off.
http://www.newsday.com/ news/ nationworld/ nation/ ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,1255660.story
November 25th, 2007 at 7:55 pmWell, well, well…
And what exactly is it that Sibel Edmunds wants to talk about that made discussing her a “conspiracy theory” on the 19th of this month…
and now you say yourself that is it “fact” that the Bush administration ignored intel warnings about the attacks?
What is the difference from then to now?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:56 pmThats just tooooooooooooooo coincidental.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Not only is waaayyy tooooo much of it waaaayyyyy tooooo conincidental, but the screaming fact that the “Official” 9/11 Commission wouldn’t touch this stuff, PERIOD, is also incredibly damning. Again, how do you officially ignore the collapse of WTC7?
And that BBC tape is just bizarre.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:57 pmNew computers all set up and networked, thanx to yers truly, and just one more week and that F-in’ application is off my desk for another year.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 25, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
You’re an all-purpose bear. :-)
November 25th, 2007 at 7:57 pm“left wing gatekeepers†would be whom?
pretty much all of them. no high profile person on the left will touch 9/11 with a bargepole. reputations count for more than finding the truth, which is why this revolution will come from the citizenry.
And Bushy fired the structural engineer when he contested the offical story. He said the materials coupled with the jet fuel would not burn hot enough to melt the steel.
the physical evidence side to 9/11 is a trap. dont waste your time on it. it cant be proved one way or the other. we know this, because they are the only “conspiracy theories” the mainstream media will debate. they are strawmen that can be easily knocked over. if one part of the entire issue is worth ramming down peoples throats it is the 15+ military exercises that were occuring on the day. Some of which involved simulated hijackings, fake radar injects on civilian radar and FEMA training in lower Manhattan.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:01 pmBartles: Got the wrong brother - it’s MARVIN BUSH and the name of the security firm is “Securacom” and they definitely DID have the contract for security on 9/11 for the WTC as well as Dulles Airport. Here’s a credible link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/topics/Marvin%20Bush
November 25th, 2007 at 8:02 pmYou mean the broadcast where they are talking about Building 7 having collapsed… and it is still standing there in the shot behind the reporter’s head?
they tried to say it was a time stamp at first, and that didn’t hold up and then they said it was pre-recorded video on green screen and that didn’t hold up…
now they don’t talk about it…
The time they ran it was 5:03pm
Building 7 collapsed at 5:21 pm…
November 25th, 2007 at 8:03 pmLegitimate 9/11 Truthers have already been conducting private investigations for over 6 years now. Of course alien space craft and Satan in the Clouds give any alternative Conspiracy Theory compared to the Official Conspiracy Theory cause for doubt. Even Remote Controlled Planes and Particle Beams come into the mix. Controlled Demolition accented by the use of Thermite seems to be the most plausible explanation.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:03 pmA magnum.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — November 25, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
One of the other posters linked it in this thread. It’s incredibly damning. I had heard about it before but this was the first time I had ever watched it. All the BBC talking heads go on and on about the collapse for 15 minutes PLUS before it happened. JUST… BIZARRE…
How did everyone involved ever keep this so hush hush? And WHY???
They weren’t just 10 or 15 seconds ahead of time. They were 15 MINUTES ahead of time. Who told them this? Is this person now dead?
WTF happened here?
November 25th, 2007 at 8:03 pmWillyloman: Hey! Yes, Sibel Edmonds figures into this scenario quite prominently, doesn’t she? Now we need a real patriot like Keith Olberman to do her desired interview and, kapow, the lid blows off the entire charade.
DayTripper: I hate to disagree with you but it’s the physical evidence that will take this administration down along with scientific data and credible eyewitness testimony. Nice try to subvert the discussion though. Beep - thanks for playing.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:04 pmYou’re an all-purpose bear. :-)
Comment by Zooey — November 25, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
And you’ve never seen me dance or juggle!!! ;-D!!!
November 25th, 2007 at 8:05 pmMaybe Bush & Co will claim that these reporters who reported the implosion of Building 7 in advance of it “aliens” with a metaphysical gift greater than ours?? Maybe they flew in on a UFO, too? The Bush Express!
November 25th, 2007 at 8:06 pmHi Ms Z~! Dance and jiggle - sounds like you’re having way too much fun!
November 25th, 2007 at 8:07 pmControlled Demolition accented by the use of Thermite seems to be the most plausible explanation.
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — November 25, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Has Elvis, Judge Crater, or Amelia Earhardt been linked to this yet?
And what about Jimmy Hoffa?
November 25th, 2007 at 8:07 pmDance and jiggle? Where??? Where???
November 25th, 2007 at 8:08 pmVeritas is right. Securacom and Marvin took over 6 weeks before 9/11, but I don’t think marvin was still with the company then,
but George Bush’s first cousin was, Wirt Walker….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratesec
November 25th, 2007 at 8:08 pmThermians? Dalmatians? Vegemites?
November 25th, 2007 at 8:09 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/topics/Marvin%20Bush
I think it mentions in this post that Marvin was still on Securacom’s Board of Directors on 911.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:09 pmTRoS: Are you just coming into this 911 stuff right now? If so, you’ve got much research to do. Great minds and scientists have been investigating and studying every aspect of what occurred since it happened. There’s quite literally volumes of information out there and tons of people whose story of what they witnessed on 911 simply contradicts the “official story” we’ve been propagandized to believe.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThen there’s the illustrious “Dancing Israeli’s” which were caught on tape and highly publicized - across the Hudson from the WTC. This tape is pretty damaging.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:12 pmAdmittedly, the secrecy and overstepping of the Bush admin makes it easy to believe any and all tinfoil hat theories.
OTOH - I even have to wonder if the New York Post artcle is an attempt to make people feel sheepish about believing the conspiracy hat theories and thereby more likely to dismiss future theories. — MapleStreet
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Myself, I wouldn’t put it past them. Speaking as a longtime resident of New York City, I wouldn’t even line the bottom of a birdcage with the New York Post because everyone in this town knows that it’s not much more than a printed form of Fox News — a very blatant “Rah! Rah! Bush!” hack rag. As I mentioned before, when you learn that Rupert Murdoch owns the New York Post (and he does), it explains a lot…