Right-wing outfit claims ‘multiculturalism’ threatens U.S.
Family Security Matters — the right-wing front group that deemed ThinkProgress “one of the most dangerous organizations in America” — writes that “multiculturalism exposes the U.S. to terrorism.” “In our nation’s quest to prove to the world that we are inclusive and tolerant,” FSM writes, “we have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.”
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Bejesus, these people are the most abysmal, paranoid morons you could possibly imagine. They want to be scared sh*tless every minute of every day.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:22 pmFlat out racism.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:23 pmTranslation: We feel that only rich, white men of Anglo-Saxon/German decent should be allowed to participate in our government.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:25 pmwont be long till the South has a Mexican flag
November 25th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThe next thing they will want is for us to round up all muslims or people with brown skin and put them in concentration camps the way we did, to our eternal shame, to the Japanese.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:36 pmOccupying other countries is what they’re really upset about.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThey make enemies then cry about it.
We need to stop calling ourselves a “Christian†nation then. After all, it was Jesus who taught inclusion and tolerance.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:44 pmOn the other hand….from the perspective of the Indigenous Tribes: When this nation was opened to newcomers with English, French, Spanish, German etc. mroots – ‘Terrorism’ followed. In a few generations, there was genocide, slavery and pestilence.
Perhaps the wingers having some past life karmic flashes. Hmmmmm
November 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pmPerhaps the wingers having some past life karmic flashes. Hmmmmm
Comment by radhika — November 25, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Painful, painful expereince in life has taught that the folks who are so afraid of what you will do to them believe what they do because they know quite well what they are capable of and will gladly do when and if they get the chance.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:55 pmsome of the most sensitive areas of our government
You mean like letting the Saudi’s buy port operations? That has nothing to do with race and more to do with bad government management.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:57 pmThe Fear Lobby has been around since recorded history, however only in the past sixty years or so, with the advent of mass media then recently with instant communications, has it become an extremely efficient instrument to sway opinion.
Taking a quick look in the past, we find it has been used very effectively over the ages. One of the better-known Fear Lobbies was in ancient Rome. Fear of a new religious group resulted in mass persecution by the Roman authorities. Centuries later, this same religious group created a fear lobby of its own by investigating heretics and witches. Their immigrant descendants to the new world had their own witches to burn. In addition, they created a Fear Lobby against the indigenous people of their new land. In the process, they almost eradicated whole cultures of civilized people while portraying them as savages. Later, when some wanted to uphold the doctrine of equality and freedom for all, others used a Fear Lobby to keep their fellow humans in bondage. The result was a war of brother against brother that cost millions of lives.
During the twentieth century, using the new technology of mass communications, National Socialists, fascist and militarist, tried to rid the world of “sub-humansâ€, people they deemed to be inferior, causing an estimated twenty million deaths. Then we find a Fear Lobby led by the infamous Senator Joe McCarthy in the early 1950’s, whose objective was to root out communist. This resulted in the ruining of many lives before a courageous journalist denounced it. Then along came a Fear Lobby against more communist, this time in a place called Viet Nam, and caused the deaths of 50,000 young Americans before it was decided there was really nothing to fear and a negotiated peace was reached.
With instant communications, someone can now propagate any myth faster and easier than ever before. When the myth is told often enough, it becomes an accepted fact. When it becomes an accepted fact, it is then a simple matter to tell people what needs to be done. The Fear Lobby need not be highly organized, just consistent in message.
History has proven that people who live in fear are all too willing to surrender their fundamental human and civil rights. When you can get people to surrender their rights, you can gain more power and have a larger role in their lives. People who surrender their rights become very willing to surrender the rights of others. This is why the Fear Lobby is a threat to every citizen of the country.
The Fear Lobby wins when citizens accept the myths without challenging them and looking for the facts. It wins when citizens become too apathetic to look for the truth. When fear wins, everyone loses.
John F. Kennedy said, “A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.†Let us become a nation that is not afraid of the truth, let’s tell the Fear Lobby, we are smart enough to make our own decisions.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:58 pmThe KKK and other “right wing” extremist groups are a much greater threat to America than multiculturalism, but don’t expect these morons to admit that. Suggestion: deal with them first then deal with the other cultures that are such a “threat” like the Irish and Swedish.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:01 pm“we have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.â€
November 25th, 2007 at 6:04 pmNow if only my Lakota relations, and other first nations’ ancestors, had had this view. We certainly did allow a bunch of crazy people to come into this continent who wanted to kill us and take our lands. I suppose these FSM folks could justify their overbearing fears given their own ancestors complicity in using terror and genocide to take land that was not theirs.
“Frank Salvato”. That sure sounds like one of them furreners that talks funny. I bet he ain’t even completely white. Somebody better watch that guy.
/sarc off
November 25th, 2007 at 6:10 pmChristians think Muslims are the anti-Christ, so the “normal” rules of Christian peace and love don’t apply.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Guido OBGYN Lover — November 25, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
You mean the anti-Christ isn’t the “President of the European Union”? Dang! I done been scairt of the wrong guy.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI don’t know what that means.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:19 pmComment by Guido OBGYN Lover — November 25, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Sorry. I caught a few minutes of some televangelist who proclaimed that the European Union is the “new Roman Empire” and it’s president is the anti-Christ. He’s one of those, “The Rapture is here”, types.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:25 pmChristians think Muslims are the anti-Christ, so the “normal†rules of Christian peace and love don’t apply.
Comment by Guido OBGYN Lover
You mean crazy, out of their fuc(king minds, Christo-fascists.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pmLOOSERS ALL.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pmThe rapture is here…already, and I don’t have a thing to wear.
November 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pmwe have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.â€
Media ownership…
November 25th, 2007 at 6:28 pmMedia ownership…
Comment by Left Coast Mike — November 25, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
And the White House!
November 25th, 2007 at 6:30 pmRemind me again why ANYONE would vote Republican in 2008? They clearly have nothing for America but fear and hate-if you want to call those “something.”
November 25th, 2007 at 6:30 pmLet’s see, who in this administration do we know to have foreign sounding names whose actions have harmed us as a nation?
Alberto Gonzales, Cookie Krongard, Hans von Spakovsky, Rachael Paulose, Bradley Schozman, David Safavian…
I think Family Security Matters might be on to something!
November 25th, 2007 at 6:31 pmThe current administration has loaded the courts and many prominent positions in our government with people who are extreme right wing Christian evangelicals. There have been many articles written about the pressure within our military to convert troops to some form of evangelical faith. Seems to me, we could use a large dose of Multiculturalism. We are made stronger by including more and varied types of people.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI think Family Security Matters might be on to something!
Comment by Saint Augustine — November 25, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Don’t forget Murdoch, Kissinger, and Ah-nold… all fer-eingrs, all dangerous…
November 25th, 2007 at 7:05 pma snippet from the link:
“Couple this with the fact that our society has grown to be incredibly narcissistic, and you achieve a populace so apathetic and unaware of the critical events taking place directly in front of their faces – in real time – that their freedoms will have already been abolished before they are motivated to defend them.”
Like the way they package racism with truths?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:12 pm“we have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.†– - Name names, or STFU.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:18 pmGOP-Group of Pansies.
Living in fear of everyone who isn’t a white, southern NASCAR fan that sleeps with relatives.
-GSD
November 25th, 2007 at 7:22 pm“Couple this with the fact that our society has grown to be incredibly narcissistic, and you achieve a populace so apathetic and unaware of the critical events taking place directly in front of their faces – in real time – that their freedoms will have already been abolished before they are motivated to defend them.â€
“we have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.â€
Can we argue with any of this? It sounds like what many of us express here at TP every day — it’s just that we’re writing about the Republicans, the neocons, the authoritarians seeking to take the last of our rights and destroying our national security.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:24 pmOn a slight tangent, my newspaper reported this weekend that several of the NY Firefighters received a security clearance so that they could help launch a plan where firefighters would be a leading source of observations to the police including if any places they entered should have bullets and rifles.
Bet the NRA is real big on this push to restrict culture !
November 25th, 2007 at 7:29 pmComment by gummitch — November 25, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
More neocon “projection”? I think one could make a strong case. All of their claims of “anti-Americanism” are projections of their own machinations.
Isn’t there a quote like, “those who see evil in all around them are motivated by the evil in their own hearts”?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:30 pmComment by bilbobaggins — November 25, 2007 @ 5:36 pm: The next thing they will want is for us to round up all muslims or people with brown skin and put them in concentration camps the way we did, to our eternal shame, to the Japanese.
You mean the ones Haliburton’s building?
November 25th, 2007 at 7:41 pmComment by Winski — LOOSERS ALL.
Yeah, what we need is TIGHTENERS! :-)
November 25th, 2007 at 7:46 pmIsn’t there a quote like, “those who see evil in all around them are motivated by the evil in their own hearts�
Comment by pete — November 25, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Ah, yes, something to that effect.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:51 pmThis article is featured on the GOPUSA website…soon you will be able to comment on it…however, beware because they will ban you from the site if you disagree in any way…
November 25th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThis article is featured on the GOPUSA website…soon you will be able to comment on it…however, beware because they will ban you from the site if you disagree in any way…
Comment by mocha
Is there a right wing site that doesn’t ban you if you disagree with them? TP allows right wingers to post here up and until the time that they make it clear they are here for no reason other than to disrupt. I often wonder why there are no right wing posters who can come here and debate us. The only thing I can come up with is that they have no facts on their side and when we show them the facts, they cut and run. That’s all I did at redstate. I challenged something they had posted with links to the truth. Boom, the next time I tried to post I found that I couldn’t even access the site since they had restricted my IP address from being able to access their site. Then I love it when one of their trolls comes here and starts posting that littlegreenfootballs has “exposed” TP for censoring posts. This is the littlegreenfootballs site that has closed down registration and kicked out any dissenters. Talk about hypocrites!
November 25th, 2007 at 8:14 pmSalvato… Salvato… sounds Italian to me… prolly has ties to the Mayfia!!!
November 25th, 2007 at 8:14 pmAnd the White House!
Comment by pete
And the Supreme Court.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:16 pmI read the article and what cracked me up was they talked about a fifth column of Marxists. That column is the very group they have embraced – aka neo-kooks of eternal war.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:20 pmthis is an incredible topic…..how soon they forget.Those folks do waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy to many drugs…….paranoia has crept in to their brains……no really…I’m serious.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:22 pmI read the article and what cracked me up was they talked about a fifth column of Marxists. That column is the very group they have embraced – aka neo-kooks of eternal war.
Comment by Xisithrus — November 25, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
If I was a wingnut, I’d be deeply paranoid about the knowledge that the neocons are all ex-communists. Or are they? Hmmmmm? Maybe not so “ex” at all? Perhaps this is all part of a decades-long sleeper op, and Dershowitz and company are waiting to hand this entire country over to Putin on a platter.
Bwahahahaha!
November 25th, 2007 at 8:25 pm#19…comment by Winiski….LOOSERS?…wtf is a LOOSER?Does it need to be looser?…..are your marbles looser?.geeeeezzz…at least pick the right word,for cryin out loud.LOSER!!!!….just like you honey.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:28 pmComment by pete — November 25, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Isn’t there a quote like, “those who see evil in all around them are motivated by the evil in their own hearts�
This may be along the lines of your reference:
Twenty-five hundred years ago Shakyamuni Buddha said:
He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me” — for those who harbour such thoughts ill-will will never cease.
“He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me” — for those who do not harbour such thoughts ill-will will cease.
In this world hatred is never appeased by ill-will; ill-will is always appeased by love. This is an ancient law.
The FSM is the latest version of McCarthyism. They prey on our base feelings and create paranoia. They would prefer isolation in the world. Their belief is quite contrary to the American Dream is it not?
November 25th, 2007 at 8:55 pmAmerica, I fear, will be destroyed from within, not from a foreign enemy. The Reichwing, along with Bush&Co, have taken us a long way down that path in 7 years.
HE IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAID: “we have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.†BUSH, CHENNEY AND THEIR JUNTA SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED IN PIBLIC OFFICES! ANIMALS LIKE THESE TWO AND THEIR DANGEROUS FRIENDS SHOULD BE HANDCUFFED AND TAKE TO AN INTERNATIONAL COURT. AS PER XENOPHOBIA… USUALLY IT IS EXECISED BY PEOPLE WITH VERY VERY LITTLE BRAINS!
November 25th, 2007 at 8:56 pmAmerica is made up of many cultures to say now we should not allow others is like saying only natural born people of this land we call America should stay and others should go home. I’m glad I know who my Indian relatives are looks like I’m home what about you. Now as for California it belongs to the Spanish people looks like immigrants are really home after all. Oh sorry I forgot we took their land.
November 25th, 2007 at 9:58 pmComment by Marie — November 25, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Not it. Thanx for the bit of Eastern philosophy, but, the quote I’m looking for is Renaissance era European. However I can’t recall the exact quote, or who said it.
The meaning I got from it applies, as if through prescience, to the mass media “hate mongers” of the religious right. In fact it applies to most of the righties who aren’t particularly religious.
The broadest meaning is that people who complain loudly of other’s imagined “sins”, are probably actually guilty of that “sin”. (Ted Haggard and Jim Bakker leap to mind.) And, in fact, few “innocent” persons would ever dream of committing the “sins” of the accuser.
November 25th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThese people are brain dead, knuckle dragging, bottom dwelling, morons. If they could only see how freaking stupid they are. That is why Dubya and the thugs of the crime family talk to them and them alone.
November 25th, 2007 at 10:14 pmAfter all, it was Jesus who taught inclusion and tolerance.
Not really!
November 25th, 2007 at 10:26 pm“those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk”
And their names are GW Bush and Dick Cheney.
Buck Fush
November 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pmIn corporate America’s quest to possess and control every facet of our government, they have, literally, allowed unqualified cronies to manage some of the most sensitive areas of our government, putting our national security at risk.
November 25th, 2007 at 11:22 pmOur little lifeboat Earth is getting smaller as the creeks rise and all try to stay on board.
Think locally for for food & production & community. Don’t let the corporate powers ruin any more local economies that then results in vast populations having to seek other countries. Don’t let the oil industry ruin any more mid east countries forcing evacuations of millions.
Think globally & cooperatively for replenishing the Earth and ridding it of the corporate scourges who feed upon it and us.
Honor creativity, intelligence, love and all life on this globe. (that means diversity even unto the plant level)
Eschew hate, fear, war and ignorance. (neocons and all who would let corporate power and their ill gained dollars run amuck.)
November 25th, 2007 at 11:22 pm“we have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.â€
They will be coming to homes near you . . . .
November 25th, 2007 at 11:24 pmThey’re coming to get you bar-bara . . . .
They will have darker skin than you . . .
Be afraid, be very afraid . . .
It must be exhausting constantly trying to think of ways to discriminate against other people.
November 25th, 2007 at 11:56 pmTake the Staten Island ferry to Manhattan, look left and see the statue of liberty as the millions did who came through Ellis Island.
November 26th, 2007 at 4:01 amStroll New York ,home of the United Nations ,her architecture the ethnic ghetto ,in America the most multicultural nation in world history.
Asian ,African ,European, Middle Eastern, Latin American, our diversity testament to the fact that despite different customs ,languages , religions and skin colors we have far more similarities than differences ,and are living proof that All the worlds people can live in peace !
Some say this can’t be done ,
I say it is being done everyday on the streets of America .
Spread the word.
November 26th, 2007 at 4:03 am“we have, literally, allowed those who want to kill us into some of the most sensitive areas of our government, areas where they put our national security at risk.â€
This is true – neocons are all over the State Department, DoD, the White House, FEMA, and other places. Luckily, many of them have already retired from government and gone on to far less damaging positions in the private sector.
November 26th, 2007 at 6:48 amWell, what they’re saying is true, but that doesn’t mean we should stop being multicultural.
Comment by DreamCrusher — November 26, 2007 @ 6:49 am
Which groups have we let in that want to kill us? Is it the tired, the poor, or the huddled masses yearning to breathe free? I’m wagering on the huddled masses. They have to be up to something, what with all that huddling.
November 26th, 2007 at 7:06 amSame sh!t, different era. In 1950, it was this:
“the State Department, which is one of the most important government departments, is thoroughly infested with communists.”
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/06/documents/mccarthy/
FSM ~~~>>> Fellating Senator McCarthy.
Here endeth the history lesson.
November 26th, 2007 at 7:31 amMulti-culturalism is wrong not because of what those jokers have to say, but simply because it stops honest discussion and was the basis of Apartheid.
If you can pull “It’s my culture” out of your hat whenever you are losing an argument, you end up with a situation where you have your minister of health advocating the virtues of beetroot and garlic in fighting AIDS (Guess what country I am referencing here.) Don’t make that mistake.
While cultural differences should have to be fairly extreme to justify violent action (Such as, we don’t sacrifice virgins to the sun god) multiculturalism should never be used to defend something from honest argument.
Culture changes with time, and cultures grow together as good ideas are exchanged and bad ones are ditched. We shouldn’t get in the way of that, because these changes are healthy and the synthesis we arrive at over time is not a negative one, but rather something which is better then all of the cultures it came from.
As to allowing people who literally want to kill you into Government? The Republicans have been around for a while now. They are hardly remarkable.
November 26th, 2007 at 7:59 amCulture changes with time, and cultures grow together as good ideas are exchanged and bad ones are ditched. We shouldn’t get in the way of that, because these changes are healthy and the synthesis we arrive at over time is not a negative one, but rather something which is better then all of the cultures it came from.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 26, 2007 @ 7:59 am
This is why multiculturalism should be encouraged. People can’t exchange ideas if they’re segregated. Your argument against multiculturalism seems to support it instead.
November 26th, 2007 at 8:23 amtoasterhead
My argument is in favour of integration, where differing cultures are brought together and ideas are traded, leading to a synthesis.
Multi-culturalism is more along the lines of attempting to preserve different cultures and cultural identities – which is basically what they were trying to do with Apartheid.
November 26th, 2007 at 8:50 amYou’ve got to be taught to hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught from year to year,
It’s got to be drummed in your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff’rent shade,
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late,
November 26th, 2007 at 9:12 amBefore you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You’ve got to be carefully taught!
My argument is in favour of integration, where differing cultures are brought together and ideas are traded, leading to a synthesis.
Multi-culturalism is more along the lines of attempting to preserve different cultures and cultural identities – which is basically what they were trying to do with Apartheid.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 26, 2007 @ 8:50 am
Cultures can integrate and preserve traditions at the same time. I don’t see them being mutually exclusive. And comparing multiculturalism to Apartheid is more than a little bit extreme.
My concern when seeing this type of language is that there’s a coded message- that it’s white culture that needs to be integrated into brown culture, and it’s dangerous if brown culture is preserved. That may not be your intended message, but that’s a pretty strong implication.
November 26th, 2007 at 9:37 amtoasterhead
Apartheid was basically the Afrikaaners trying to preserve SA’s various cultures against alien influences – or it was if you listened to the rhetoric they were spewing when they came up with the idea. Apartheid was in essence, a very extreme interpretation of the multi-cultural viewpoint.
Afrikaaners were very white, and very concerned with “Onse Kultuure.” In America today, you have a religious movement whose cultural values include lying to your children about what constitutes science – and it is very pale.
Integration actually isn’t about trying to preserve “white” culture, it is about trying to take the best of what each culture has to offer.
And besides, lets be honest here, “brown culture” can include torturing a domisticated herbivore to death to celebrate the festival of the “First Fruits”, quackery called “Muti”, sending your kid off into the mountains to get circumcised by a drunkard with a loose definition of “sterile”, and a negotiable belief in female rights.
Those values we can do without, just like the very white, very English traditions of watching a pack of dogs tearing a small canine to bits for fun, bear-bating and dog fighting.
Further, there is nothing racial about culture. Culture isn’t indoctrinated into your genes, it is in your stories, language, ideals and concepts, so to refer to something as “brown” or “white” culture strikes me as being patently absurd.
While some traditions are worthwhile we shouldn’t kid ourselves about things being worth keeping around simply because they belong to another culture – which is the real difference between integration and multiculturalism.
November 26th, 2007 at 10:19 amFlarking idiots.
Good grief.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:09 amBruce Gorton wrote:
I think this is a very sober and a realist’s point of view. Culture, race, heritage, tradition… It is a POWDER KEG in terms of discussion. Rarely can you speak about them without raising hackles but I think you’ve made an important distinction between multi-culturalism and cultural integration. I got it and I agree with you.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:34 amIt is not multiculturism that threaten America, it is white extremist who try to divide us among lines of races and gender. These people are no more than a sanitized version of the KKK. They stand for hate, distrust, dishonesty and racism. That is why they support Republicans, who use words like “middle class”, “conservatism”, as code words for racists. These groups will never be happy until America is 100 percent white extremists.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:34 pmOne world One people One destiny
November 26th, 2007 at 12:52 pmthey’ve been saying that for 200 years..
“the south was born out of fear. fear of the indian, fear of the mexican, fear of the slaves, fear of the damn union. ” – ‘quote from cape fear’
November 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmThe causal relationship between racism and the war on terror thus runs both ways: racism has made the war on terror into a racial struggle with a racial enemy; and now the war on terror serves to vindicate illegal techniques of racism, not just against Muslims and Arabs, but against blacks and other enemies of the white establishment who have no connection with terrorism. The Right’s assault on equal protection, which could not succeed with fear mongering over the threat of black crime alone, now aims to triumph indirectly through the threat of terrorism….
read on at: http://radicalnegative.blogspot.com/2007/11/viscious-circle-of-racism-and-war-on.html
November 26th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI actually emailed this guy and tried to have a discussion with him. He got really nitpicky, demanding very specific things from me to refute his arguments – all while he just kind of ignored my point of view. It was my first real experience talking to someone as conservative as he is. I’ve been out of the mainland US since the war really got going and didn’t have to put up with jerks like him.
Anyway…point being, this whole article really is him – that’s how he talks in his emails. It was really disturbing to me because I’ve haven’t encountered many people like him in my life. It’s hard for me to believe, but there he is.
November 28th, 2007 at 6:52 am