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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4172744</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God,

It&#039;s great to be a vet in the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great to be a vet in the USA.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4172744', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4172742</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depression? What depression?  Fannny Mae just foreclosed on my house  . . . they were great ... offered me delightful housiing just outside NO in a trailor.  Unfortunately, my son&#039;s got a brain disease and the formaldihine isn&#039;t supposed to be so good for him.

Probably not for the rest of us either, but somebody&#039;s gotta keep a clear head. . . . just got these votin&#039; ballots.  Apparently, vote&#039;s a wile a way . . . but just to make sure red is red . . . best time is now to put it to bed.  Man said.

Kinda ketchy, man said . . . [heh, I made a rime].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depression? What depression?  Fannny Mae just foreclosed on my house  . . . they were great &#8230; offered me delightful housiing just outside NO in a trailor.  Unfortunately, my son&#8217;s got a brain disease and the formaldihine isn&#8217;t supposed to be so good for him.</p>
<p>Probably not for the rest of us either, but somebody&#8217;s gotta keep a clear head. . . . just got these votin&#8217; ballots.  Apparently, vote&#8217;s a wile a way . . . but just to make sure red is red . . . best time is now to put it to bed.  Man said.</p>
<p>Kinda ketchy, man said . . . [heh, I made a rime].<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4172742', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4172741</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xisithrus -Whos gonna pay for this debacle when the depression hits?

Oh, we&quot;ve got unlimited resources . . . just ask Bush&quot;oil, gas, just ask Dick.&quot;


&quot;Billion here, trillion there...heck, i&#039;ve never balanced a check book in my life . . . I just keep the faith.  

You shuld 2.  Hell.  This war wadn&#039;t my fault.  Just ask Rove.&quot;

Well, heck dub&#039;ya, we should ask my three limbed, one eyed bud. . . . .wha . . .d&#039;ya think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xisithrus -Whos gonna pay for this debacle when the depression hits?</p>
<p>Oh, we&#8221;ve got unlimited resources . . . just ask Bush&#8221;oil, gas, just ask Dick.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Billion here, trillion there&#8230;heck, i&#8217;ve never balanced a check book in my life . . . I just keep the faith.  </p>
<p>You shuld 2.  Hell.  This war wadn&#8217;t my fault.  Just ask Rove.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, heck dub&#8217;ya, we should ask my three limbed, one eyed bud. . . . .wha . . .d&#8217;ya think?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4172741', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Gorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Gorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kilo

I posted all of that because right now, what the occupation means to the Iraqi people is that their oil, is being pumped, processed and exported by American companies - not Iraqi ones.

It is a major root to why Iraq&#039;s oil output is down on when Saddam was in power- the Iraqi people want their oil.

And it is a lie to say that Iraqi&#039;s don&#039;t have the expertise to do it themselves, because them being an oil exporting nation isn&#039;t exactly a recent development.

The basic flaw in how you see the situation is you don&#039;t seem to understand that the Iraqis aren&#039;t exporting their oil, the US is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kilo</p>
<p>I posted all of that because right now, what the occupation means to the Iraqi people is that their oil, is being pumped, processed and exported by American companies &#8211; not Iraqi ones.</p>
<p>It is a major root to why Iraq&#8217;s oil output is down on when Saddam was in power- the Iraqi people want their oil.</p>
<p>And it is a lie to say that Iraqi&#8217;s don&#8217;t have the expertise to do it themselves, because them being an oil exporting nation isn&#8217;t exactly a recent development.</p>
<p>The basic flaw in how you see the situation is you don&#8217;t seem to understand that the Iraqis aren&#8217;t exporting their oil, the US is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4168178', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: IMPEACH NOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMPEACH NOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look up &lt;strong&gt;Tesla&lt;/strong&gt; for how alternate energy was destroyed by the Pathocrats who stole his work using the FBI. And WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR - google the film online, will make you angry.

http://www.simondale.net/house/intview.htmInterview:

&lt;strong&gt;Organic Architecture and its influence on Human Being

A Portrait of a Natural Way of Living

Overemphasis on &#039;jobs&#039;&lt;/strong&gt;

The economy is still geared to fear of unemployment. The holistic alternatives to a job-based economy have yet to be even countenanced by the establishment. (This myopia is not limited to Britain, of course. At present the main priority of planning in all the major economic powers in the world is to find solutions to unemployment.)

Planners pretend that in twenty years&#039; time our society will still be in the same state as their elders insisted it was when they took their diplomas. They should be looking forward to a society in which people are engaged in real work of their own choice, and this only happens when people have access to land, if they need it. The threat to our whole way of life posed by dramatic climate changes and sea level rise has so far been totally ignored by planners. 

You are looking at pictures of our family home in Wales. It was built by myself and my father in law with help from passers by and visiting friends. 4 months after starting we were moved in and cosy. I estimate 1000-1500 man hours and Â£3000 put in to this point. Not really so much in house buying terms (roughly Â£60/sq m excluding labour).

The house was built with maximum regard for the environment and by reciprocation gives us a unique opportunity to live close to nature. Being your own (have a go) architect is a lot of fun and allows you to create and enjoy something which is part of yourself and the land rather than, at worst, a mass produced box designed for maximum profit and convenience of the construction industry. Building from natural materials does away with producers profits and the cocktail of carcinogenic poisons that fill most modern buildings.
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I couldn&#039;t agree more. 

I am completely up for setting up a community and believe it is a very good option. I don&#039;t like living among people trapped in the system. I don&#039;t want to be part of the system and I really think that we should cut our losses and stop participating in the system. I have been researching the subject and giving it a lot of thought. I think that spending our lives living in their communities is a dead loss. I feel like I am part of the system even tho i do not agree with it. I see that there would be a lot more strength in numbers and the opportunity to live free. 


I see that by continuing to live a &#039;normal&#039; life I am inadvertently financing the NWO and am not leading by example. I am not living by what I believe in.

davidickeforums.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look up <strong>Tesla</strong> for how alternate energy was destroyed by the Pathocrats who stole his work using the FBI. And WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR &#8211; google the film online, will make you angry.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.simondale.net/house/intview.htmInterview" rel="nofollow">http://www.simondale.net/house/intview.htmInterview</a>:</p>
<p><strong>Organic Architecture and its influence on Human Being</p>
<p>A Portrait of a Natural Way of Living</p>
<p>Overemphasis on &#8216;jobs&#8217;</strong></p>
<p>The economy is still geared to fear of unemployment. The holistic alternatives to a job-based economy have yet to be even countenanced by the establishment. (This myopia is not limited to Britain, of course. At present the main priority of planning in all the major economic powers in the world is to find solutions to unemployment.)</p>
<p>Planners pretend that in twenty years&#8217; time our society will still be in the same state as their elders insisted it was when they took their diplomas. They should be looking forward to a society in which people are engaged in real work of their own choice, and this only happens when people have access to land, if they need it. The threat to our whole way of life posed by dramatic climate changes and sea level rise has so far been totally ignored by planners. </p>
<p>You are looking at pictures of our family home in Wales. It was built by myself and my father in law with help from passers by and visiting friends. 4 months after starting we were moved in and cosy. I estimate 1000-1500 man hours and Â£3000 put in to this point. Not really so much in house buying terms (roughly Â£60/sq m excluding labour).</p>
<p>The house was built with maximum regard for the environment and by reciprocation gives us a unique opportunity to live close to nature. Being your own (have a go) architect is a lot of fun and allows you to create and enjoy something which is part of yourself and the land rather than, at worst, a mass produced box designed for maximum profit and convenience of the construction industry. Building from natural materials does away with producers profits and the cocktail of carcinogenic poisons that fill most modern buildings.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
I couldn&#8217;t agree more. </p>
<p>I am completely up for setting up a community and believe it is a very good option. I don&#8217;t like living among people trapped in the system. I don&#8217;t want to be part of the system and I really think that we should cut our losses and stop participating in the system. I have been researching the subject and giving it a lot of thought. I think that spending our lives living in their communities is a dead loss. I feel like I am part of the system even tho i do not agree with it. I see that there would be a lot more strength in numbers and the opportunity to live free. </p>
<p>I see that by continuing to live a &#8216;normal&#8217; life I am inadvertently financing the NWO and am not leading by example. I am not living by what I believe in.</p>
<p>davidickeforums.com<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4167222', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: IMPEACH NOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMPEACH NOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Veritas - we need to know the truth before we can begin to fight for our lives, our neighbors and a future for all of our children.

http://www.beyondtreason.com/

&lt;strong&gt;Gulf War Sickness: a progressive wasting condition

Leukemia in the Balkans&lt;/strong&gt;

Our leaders knew the facts, but used the weapons anyway, probably because they just didnâ€™t careâ€“â€“â€“a breach of trust with the American people so odious it can only be compared with an earlier US government policy of utilizing American GIs as guinea pigs during the period of atmospheric testing. We know that at least 300,000 American soldiers were willfully exposed to high levels of radiation during dozens of nuclear tests; not to mention the millions of American civilians who were also exposed to the fallout.[78]

In short, our leaders are guilty of not merely incompetence, nor even malfeasance, but of outright terrorism. _ With regard to 9/11, a further conclusion also appears inescapable. Given that our leaders knowingly used weapons certain to kill, injure and maim tens of thousands of our own soldiers, is it not likely they are also capable of murdering a smaller number of American civilians on 9/11 for similar reasons, i.e., out of political expedience? Given the naked facts, it would be hard to conclude anything else.

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September 22, 2007

&lt;strong&gt;Department of Veterans Affairs Reports 73 Thousand U.S. Gulf War Deaths&lt;/strong&gt;


More Gulf War Veterans have died than Vietnam Veterans:
The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007, Gulf War Veterans Information System reports the following:

&lt;em&gt;Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846
â€“ Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847
â€“ Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999 &lt;/em&gt;

73,000 dead amongst the U.S. soldiers for this scale operation using weapons of mass destruction is not high - we expect the great majority of U.S. soldiers who took part in the invasion of Iraq to die of uranium poisoning, which can take decades to kill.

&lt;strong&gt;From a victors perspective, above any major war in history, The Gulf War has taken the severest toll on soldiers.&lt;/strong&gt;

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_clive_bo_070921_department_of_vetera.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Veritas &#8211; we need to know the truth before we can begin to fight for our lives, our neighbors and a future for all of our children.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.beyondtreason.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.beyondtreason.com/</a></p>
<p><strong>Gulf War Sickness: a progressive wasting condition</p>
<p>Leukemia in the Balkans</strong></p>
<p>Our leaders knew the facts, but used the weapons anyway, probably because they just didnâ€™t careâ€“â€“â€“a breach of trust with the American people so odious it can only be compared with an earlier US government policy of utilizing American GIs as guinea pigs during the period of atmospheric testing. We know that at least 300,000 American soldiers were willfully exposed to high levels of radiation during dozens of nuclear tests; not to mention the millions of American civilians who were also exposed to the fallout.[78]</p>
<p>In short, our leaders are guilty of not merely incompetence, nor even malfeasance, but of outright terrorism. _ With regard to 9/11, a further conclusion also appears inescapable. Given that our leaders knowingly used weapons certain to kill, injure and maim tens of thousands of our own soldiers, is it not likely they are also capable of murdering a smaller number of American civilians on 9/11 for similar reasons, i.e., out of political expedience? Given the naked facts, it would be hard to conclude anything else.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>September 22, 2007</p>
<p><strong>Department of Veterans Affairs Reports 73 Thousand U.S. Gulf War Deaths</strong></p>
<p>More Gulf War Veterans have died than Vietnam Veterans:<br />
The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007, Gulf War Veterans Information System reports the following:</p>
<p><em>Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846<br />
â€“ Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847<br />
â€“ Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999 </em></p>
<p>73,000 dead amongst the U.S. soldiers for this scale operation using weapons of mass destruction is not high &#8211; we expect the great majority of U.S. soldiers who took part in the invasion of Iraq to die of uranium poisoning, which can take decades to kill.</p>
<p><strong>From a victors perspective, above any major war in history, The Gulf War has taken the severest toll on soldiers.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_clive_bo_070921_department_of_vetera.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_clive_bo_070921_department_of_vetera.htm</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4167216', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: xenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>xenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Enduring Presence&quot;: this is either a codename for yet another ill-fated mission or a veiled admission of failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Enduring Presence&#8221;: this is either a codename for yet another ill-fated mission or a veiled admission of failure.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4167127', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SteaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If thatâ€™s true, then thatâ€™s the real outrage. Weâ€™ll be subsidizing oil companies with american lives and tax dollars. And doing so explicityly in an agreement between governments.

&lt;strong&gt;Where is the outrage?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My concern is that the lack of outrage may stem from a psychological issue with regard to the average American citizen&#039;s need for oil. Our IPODS, our children&#039;s toys, our fule to get to work and live our lives....and basically all of our prescious low-low-prices via Wal-Mart and Chinese exports all depend on OIL.

How many times have you seen or heard a friend or family member boast how happy they are about their local Wal-Mart&#039;s great deals? How many times have you tried to tell them to not shop at Wal-Mart (or a similiar store full of cheap oil based products shipped from 1,000s of miles away or overseas using OIL) and they angrily said &quot;I&#039;m not shopping at those other places! They are too expensive!&quot;

There&#039;s your outrage right there. We are addicted to oil and low-low prices. Take away the oil and people will be outraged. Tell them the war in Iraq is and always has been a Resource War and they will react with angry disbelief and call you crazy while in their minds they may realize what that means. And we are all at fault. Our economy is entirely based on OIL. We have very little time to change that and even if we do soon (which I am all for that by the way, ie riding my bike and buying local non-petrobased products) people are going to have to be a bit uncomfortable and inconvenienced. And they won&#039;t be happy.

Am I saying that the American people might deep down accept a resource war rather than the consequences of having no cheap oil? Maybe....but that would be crazy. Wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If thatâ€™s true, then thatâ€™s the real outrage. Weâ€™ll be subsidizing oil companies with american lives and tax dollars. And doing so explicityly in an agreement between governments.</p>
<p><strong>Where is the outrage?</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>My concern is that the lack of outrage may stem from a psychological issue with regard to the average American citizen&#8217;s need for oil. Our IPODS, our children&#8217;s toys, our fule to get to work and live our lives&#8230;.and basically all of our prescious low-low-prices via Wal-Mart and Chinese exports all depend on OIL.</p>
<p>How many times have you seen or heard a friend or family member boast how happy they are about their local Wal-Mart&#8217;s great deals? How many times have you tried to tell them to not shop at Wal-Mart (or a similiar store full of cheap oil based products shipped from 1,000s of miles away or overseas using OIL) and they angrily said &#8220;I&#8217;m not shopping at those other places! They are too expensive!&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s your outrage right there. We are addicted to oil and low-low prices. Take away the oil and people will be outraged. Tell them the war in Iraq is and always has been a Resource War and they will react with angry disbelief and call you crazy while in their minds they may realize what that means. And we are all at fault. Our economy is entirely based on OIL. We have very little time to change that and even if we do soon (which I am all for that by the way, ie riding my bike and buying local non-petrobased products) people are going to have to be a bit uncomfortable and inconvenienced. And they won&#8217;t be happy.</p>
<p>Am I saying that the American people might deep down accept a resource war rather than the consequences of having no cheap oil? Maybe&#8230;.but that would be crazy. Wouldn&#8217;t it?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4167026', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one totally pissed me off. Bushie and his oil company pals have screwed us. 

Some very tasty food for thought from Ted Rall today:

SIGN THE PLEDGE!

Trim Bush from American History


...Write (an actual letter, not email) to your favorite presidential candidate and declare that you are a single-issue voter. Swear that, if he or she agrees to sign the following Pledge, your vote is assured. If not, promise to stay home or vote for someone else. 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;I, ______________, hereby solemnly pledge that my first act upon assuming the office of President shall be to sign an American Renewal Act of 2009, which shall declare all laws, regulations, executive orders, treaties and actions undertaken by the federal government during the illegitimate and unlawful administration of George W. Bush to be null, void and without effect.&quot; &lt;/b&gt;

Sound crazy? So did Thomas Paine in 1775. As a practical and legal matter, however, consigning Bush to the dung heap of history makes more sense than revolting against the British. 

Read the rest here:  

http://tinyurl.com/ynq9vb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one totally pissed me off. Bushie and his oil company pals have screwed us. </p>
<p>Some very tasty food for thought from Ted Rall today:</p>
<p>SIGN THE PLEDGE!</p>
<p>Trim Bush from American History</p>
<p>&#8230;Write (an actual letter, not email) to your favorite presidential candidate and declare that you are a single-issue voter. Swear that, if he or she agrees to sign the following Pledge, your vote is assured. If not, promise to stay home or vote for someone else. </p>
<p><b>&#8220;I, ______________, hereby solemnly pledge that my first act upon assuming the office of President shall be to sign an American Renewal Act of 2009, which shall declare all laws, regulations, executive orders, treaties and actions undertaken by the federal government during the illegitimate and unlawful administration of George W. Bush to be null, void and without effect.&#8221; </b></p>
<p>Sound crazy? So did Thomas Paine in 1775. As a practical and legal matter, however, consigning Bush to the dung heap of history makes more sense than revolting against the British. </p>
<p>Read the rest here:  </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ynq9vb" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ynq9vb</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4167020', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SteaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;OIL&lt;/strong&gt; stupid.

The whole time this war has been going on and going back before September 11 2001 this Administration has been working towards this ongoing relationship with an Iraq with leadership that they can work together with in regards to OIL.

This is not a war on terror or about weapons of mass distruction. It might have some to do with religion (christian vs muslim) but as far as Bush and Cheney are concerned this is a business deal. Iraq and Iran have the second and third largest oil reserves (correct me if I&#039;m wrong on that) and Amercian OIL companies want their share of this black gold mine. They also want this OIL traded in dollars and not euros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s <strong>OIL</strong> stupid.</p>
<p>The whole time this war has been going on and going back before September 11 2001 this Administration has been working towards this ongoing relationship with an Iraq with leadership that they can work together with in regards to OIL.</p>
<p>This is not a war on terror or about weapons of mass distruction. It might have some to do with religion (christian vs muslim) but as far as Bush and Cheney are concerned this is a business deal. Iraq and Iran have the second and third largest oil reserves (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong on that) and Amercian OIL companies want their share of this black gold mine. They also want this OIL traded in dollars and not euros.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4167018', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete Bogs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4166890</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Bogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if true, this means the war will never truly end... it&#039;s time for a mutiny in the ranks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if true, this means the war will never truly end&#8230; it&#8217;s time for a mutiny in the ranks&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166890', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbobaggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4166885</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbobaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;anybody remember:
â€œoperation enduring freedomâ€ ?
Comment by orionATL&lt;/em&gt;

Which is not &quot;operation enduring occupation&quot;.  I heard on the news last night that the remainder of the Iraqi governments (including the Kurds) have to agree to the Iraq side of this.  I doubt they will do it.

This &quot;agreement&quot; says that we have the right to occupy Iraq forever, as long as we agree to continue to protect the Iraqi government.  Are you ready for a commitment to spend billions of borrowed dollars a month in Iraq &lt;strong&gt;forever&lt;/strong&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>anybody remember:<br />
â€œoperation enduring freedomâ€ ?<br />
Comment by orionATL</em></p>
<p>Which is not &#8220;operation enduring occupation&#8221;.  I heard on the news last night that the remainder of the Iraqi governments (including the Kurds) have to agree to the Iraq side of this.  I doubt they will do it.</p>
<p>This &#8220;agreement&#8221; says that we have the right to occupy Iraq forever, as long as we agree to continue to protect the Iraqi government.  Are you ready for a commitment to spend billions of borrowed dollars a month in Iraq <strong>forever</strong>?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166885', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone needs to submit a question to Ron Paul asking what he knows about &quot;depleted uranium&quot; and it&#039;s destruction of life and environment in Iraq at the next debate????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone needs to submit a question to Ron Paul asking what he knows about &#8220;depleted uranium&#8221; and it&#8217;s destruction of life and environment in Iraq at the next debate????<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166875', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4166874</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maliki is Bush&#039;s poodle and he will be overthrown sooner than even the pundits are prognosticating.  As far as Bush&#039;s &quot;enduring presence&quot; there, why would anyone knowingly and willingly serve in a totally contaminated country?  Maybe this is precisely why members of the State Dept. balked when they were told that they would have to serve in Iraq.  These people KNOW the truth about the toxicity of the environment there.  They&#039;re not fools:  they know that a &quot;death sentence&quot; is a more accurate description of what would occur if they served in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maliki is Bush&#8217;s poodle and he will be overthrown sooner than even the pundits are prognosticating.  As far as Bush&#8217;s &#8220;enduring presence&#8221; there, why would anyone knowingly and willingly serve in a totally contaminated country?  Maybe this is precisely why members of the State Dept. balked when they were told that they would have to serve in Iraq.  These people KNOW the truth about the toxicity of the environment there.  They&#8217;re not fools:  they know that a &#8220;death sentence&#8221; is a more accurate description of what would occur if they served in Iraq.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166874', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4166872</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t anyone but me find the strange bedfellow relationship between Bill Clinton and Papa Bush a bit unusual??  Golfing buddies, indeed!  Partners in crime is probably more accurate.  This is precisely why we cannot support another Clinton White House - sorry Hillary.  We know that we get two for the price of one and I don&#039;t know about anyone else but I&#039;m beginning to believe that&#039;s precisely why the reichwing and the whoring media are propping up Hillary as the frontrunner.  Either they get Giuliani which is &quot;Bush&#039;s Mini Me&quot; or Hillary who is &quot;Bush in disguise&quot;. 

As a nation, we cannot afford to continue 4 more years of this criminal behavior.  Hillary is a &quot;bush redux&quot;.  Maybe someone needs to ask Hillary what she knows about depleted uranium and it&#039;s effects on our military during the next debate??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t anyone but me find the strange bedfellow relationship between Bill Clinton and Papa Bush a bit unusual??  Golfing buddies, indeed!  Partners in crime is probably more accurate.  This is precisely why we cannot support another Clinton White House &#8211; sorry Hillary.  We know that we get two for the price of one and I don&#8217;t know about anyone else but I&#8217;m beginning to believe that&#8217;s precisely why the reichwing and the whoring media are propping up Hillary as the frontrunner.  Either they get Giuliani which is &#8220;Bush&#8217;s Mini Me&#8221; or Hillary who is &#8220;Bush in disguise&#8221;. </p>
<p>As a nation, we cannot afford to continue 4 more years of this criminal behavior.  Hillary is a &#8220;bush redux&#8221;.  Maybe someone needs to ask Hillary what she knows about depleted uranium and it&#8217;s effects on our military during the next debate??<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166872', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: comandanteagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>comandanteagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maliki is the next Diem. In a few years he will be overthrown or killed, then a new strongman will emerge.

P.S. Please support &lt;a href=&quot;http://guysfromarea51.blogspot.com/2007/10/support-your-friendly-neighboorhood.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your friendly neighborhood butcher&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maliki is the next Diem. In a few years he will be overthrown or killed, then a new strongman will emerge.</p>
<p>P.S. Please support <a href="http://guysfromarea51.blogspot.com/2007/10/support-your-friendly-neighboorhood.html" rel="nofollow">your friendly neighborhood butcher</a>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166871', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Perry logan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4166869</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s going to take 200 years to clean up the mess the Republicans have made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to take 200 years to clean up the mess the Republicans have made.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166869', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: theswan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4166867</link>
		<dc:creator>theswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Maliki goverment and bush are planning to recomend to congress that Iraq become the 52nd state.  For sure they meet all the benchmarks for statehood and the democrats will certainly play along.  they have sooo much to offer in the way of the democratic example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Maliki goverment and bush are planning to recomend to congress that Iraq become the 52nd state.  For sure they meet all the benchmarks for statehood and the democrats will certainly play along.  they have sooo much to offer in the way of the democratic example.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166867', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sit up and take notice, people.  We are being poisoned by the food we eat and the pet food deaths are just part of a toxic iceberg which this government is involved in covering up.

Add to that the heinous crimes against humanity via the use of depleted uranium and you may begin to get a glimpse of just how dangerous this administration (and it&#039;s two predecessors) actually are to the health and welfare of americans.

And when you&#039;ve finished reading &quot;Exposed&quot; and/or watching the expose on depleted uranium &quot;Beyond Treason&quot; which is a free download, ask youself the critical question:  If this government is this capricious as to so flagrantly disregard human life, how can anyone NOT conclude that the fact that 911 was an &quot;inside job&quot; is not only a possibility but perhaps even a strong probability.

Gut check time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sit up and take notice, people.  We are being poisoned by the food we eat and the pet food deaths are just part of a toxic iceberg which this government is involved in covering up.</p>
<p>Add to that the heinous crimes against humanity via the use of depleted uranium and you may begin to get a glimpse of just how dangerous this administration (and it&#8217;s two predecessors) actually are to the health and welfare of americans.</p>
<p>And when you&#8217;ve finished reading &#8220;Exposed&#8221; and/or watching the expose on depleted uranium &#8220;Beyond Treason&#8221; which is a free download, ask youself the critical question:  If this government is this capricious as to so flagrantly disregard human life, how can anyone NOT conclude that the fact that 911 was an &#8220;inside job&#8221; is not only a possibility but perhaps even a strong probability.</p>
<p>Gut check time.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166866', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/26/white-houses-new-benchmark-enduring-presence/comment-page-2/#comment-4166864</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe then we can move forward and get to the sad truth about what americans are ingesting that&#039;s toxic and this government knows about as well.  Even Communist China has recently upped their standards for toxicity in order to continue to do business with countries in the Eastern Union which has just signed into law new guidelines for toxic products.  The dire prediction is that since the US has fallen to the status of a &quot;third world country&quot; without environmental protection standards and continues to import and use toxic ingredients in their products which are not being stopped or investigated upon importation, the United States will become a veritable &quot;dumping ground&quot; for those products known to be comprised of the chemicals which are being banned for European countries and even China.  China knows where it&#039;s bread is buttered - they&#039;re complying with these new foreign laws in order to continue to do business with them.

The ONLY state in the US where toxic chemicals will NOT be found in either food, cosmetic, or toys will be California.

A new book will be hitting the streets entitled &quot;Exposed&quot; and it will be a &quot;must read&quot; for anyone concerned with how we are being poisoned in this country, while our government sits back and does nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe then we can move forward and get to the sad truth about what americans are ingesting that&#8217;s toxic and this government knows about as well.  Even Communist China has recently upped their standards for toxicity in order to continue to do business with countries in the Eastern Union which has just signed into law new guidelines for toxic products.  The dire prediction is that since the US has fallen to the status of a &#8220;third world country&#8221; without environmental protection standards and continues to import and use toxic ingredients in their products which are not being stopped or investigated upon importation, the United States will become a veritable &#8220;dumping ground&#8221; for those products known to be comprised of the chemicals which are being banned for European countries and even China.  China knows where it&#8217;s bread is buttered &#8211; they&#8217;re complying with these new foreign laws in order to continue to do business with them.</p>
<p>The ONLY state in the US where toxic chemicals will NOT be found in either food, cosmetic, or toys will be California.</p>
<p>A new book will be hitting the streets entitled &#8220;Exposed&#8221; and it will be a &#8220;must read&#8221; for anyone concerned with how we are being poisoned in this country, while our government sits back and does nothing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4166864', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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