Comments on: Holt turns up the heat on Klein. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:50:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: cha cha cha http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167539 cha cha cha Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:12:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167539 "A House Dem with some stones." dude's also a rocket scientist. he tased jokeline with knowledge, bro. “A House Dem with some stones.”

dude’s also a rocket scientist. he tased jokeline with knowledge, bro.

]]> By: Guido OBGYN Lover http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167468 Guido OBGYN Lover Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:38:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167468 This is a tired story this "giving rights to terrorists" that Republicans, cowards, chickenhawks and Klein push. This is a tired story this “giving rights to terrorists” that Republicans, cowards, chickenhawks and Klein push.

]]> By: po http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167430 po Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:19:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167430 Poor Joe. Perhaps he's finally been found out. Too bad it took this long. With regard to FISA and RESTORE, let's just put Restore on the shelf until say February 2009. Until then, we can just operate under the old FISA law which the 9/11 commission found to be working fine and which W, upon taking office and before the events of 9/11, was already working to gut. Besides, W has already indicated he will continue to ignore whatever Congress passes and Congress has indicated (time and time and time and time and time and time and time again) that it has no interest in making the President of the United States of America, gasp, follow the law. At least my solution will allow us to know what law the Unitary Executive is violating and, as an added benefit, we don't have to worry about this or that member of Congress insert some little provision in after the fact. FISA, the problem that does not exist. RESTORE, a fix in search of a problem. I say get old skool on them and "Just say no." Poor Joe. Perhaps he’s finally been found out. Too bad it took this long.

With regard to FISA and RESTORE, let’s just put Restore on the shelf until say February 2009.

Until then, we can just operate under the old FISA law which the 9/11 commission found to be working fine and which W, upon taking office and before the events of 9/11, was already working to gut. Besides, W has already indicated he will continue to ignore whatever Congress passes and Congress has indicated (time and time and time and time and time and time and time again) that it has no interest in making the President of the United States of America, gasp, follow the law. At least my solution will allow us to know what law the Unitary Executive is violating and, as an added benefit, we don’t have to worry about this or that member of Congress insert some little provision in after the fact.

FISA, the problem that does not exist. RESTORE, a fix in search of a problem. I say get old skool on them and “Just say no.”

]]> By: grover nerdkissed http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167415 grover nerdkissed Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:10:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167415 this *is* THE big story right now, not because of klein himself, not even because of FISA itself, but because it perfectly illustrates how DISEASED our media is. i am so glad that an actual elected official is speaking up now...i wondered why pelosi & reid were keeping their mouths shut & leaving all the work to Greenwald. Greenwald *IS* more than capable, but he isnt an elected official, you know. its not *his* legislation thats being misrepresented. this *is* THE big story right now, not because of klein himself, not even because of FISA itself, but because it perfectly illustrates how DISEASED our media is.

i am so glad that an actual elected official is speaking up now…i wondered why pelosi & reid were keeping their mouths shut & leaving all the work to Greenwald.

Greenwald *IS* more than capable, but he isnt an elected official, you know. its not *his* legislation thats being misrepresented.

]]> By: jgrant@goldfeinlaw.com http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167414 jgrant@goldfeinlaw.com Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:10:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167414 That arthur is it Ron Kessler is also spewing these same lies . When I heard him tell his audience that Democrats will give terrorist the same rights as americans ,I thought my head would blow off. But really our rights are the same as a terrorist . They can open our mail ,read our e-mail , listen to our phone conversations ,snoop in our houses , and declare an american citzen an enemy combatant and disappear us. So really whats the fight all about !!!! That arthur is it Ron Kessler is also spewing these same lies .
When I heard him tell his audience that Democrats will give terrorist the same rights as americans ,I thought my head would blow off.

But really our rights are the same as a terrorist .
They can open our mail ,read our e-mail , listen to our phone conversations ,snoop in our houses , and declare an american citzen an enemy combatant and disappear us.
So really whats the fight all about !!!!

]]> By: Veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167413 Veritas Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:10:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167413 It takes Rush Holt to teach Klein something he already knows?? Everyone knows that spying can begin immediately under the FISA rules with a defacto warrant applied for within 72 hours. It takes Rush Holt to teach Klein something he already knows?? Everyone knows that spying can begin immediately under the FISA rules with a defacto warrant applied for within 72 hours.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167390 Leftside Annie Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:53:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167390 Facts are stupid things. --- Ronald Reagan Facts are stupid things.

— Ronald Reagan

]]> By: lefty http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167382 lefty Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:47:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167382 The Swampland comments are always entertaining when Klein steps in it. The amazing thing is how practically the entire thread just beats him up and no one seems to defend him - it's HIS blog! The Swampland comments are always entertaining when Klein steps in it. The amazing thing is how practically the entire thread just beats him up and no one seems to defend him – it’s HIS blog!

]]> By: Your Conscience http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167381 Your Conscience Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:46:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167381 "Principles, evidence, and facts be damned. It is loyalty and the individual that matters. Honesty is a superficial and secondary concern." ---Bush Docrine Protocol for MSM and CEO's “Principles, evidence, and facts be damned. It is loyalty and the individual that matters. Honesty is a superficial and secondary concern.”

—Bush Docrine Protocol for MSM and CEO’s

]]> By: tom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167378 tom Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:45:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167378 It's a sad state of affairs when politicians have to play "truth detective" and fact-check supposed journalists. Of course, there will never be enough politicians in the country to stay ahead of FoxSnooze and talk radio. It’s a sad state of affairs when politicians have to play “truth detective” and fact-check supposed journalists.

Of course, there will never be enough politicians in the country to stay ahead of FoxSnooze and talk radio.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167375 ralph the wonder llama Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:43:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167375 Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher (love her!) are on top of this. Joke Line's latest response is <em>"I have neither the time nor legal background to figure out who's right."</em> <a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2007/11/fisa_more_than_you_want_to_kno.html#comment-359963" rel="nofollow">The comments </a>on his Swampland blog are just awesome, with many commenters poitning out that, as a purported professional journalist, Klein had no business writing about something if he had neither the time nor expertise to determine the truth of it. Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher (love her!) are on top of this. Joke Line’s latest response is “I have neither the time nor legal background to figure out who’s right.” The comments on his Swampland blog are just awesome, with many commenters poitning out that, as a purported professional journalist, Klein had no business writing about something if he had neither the time nor expertise to determine the truth of it.

]]> By: Buckie Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167374 Buckie Boy Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:42:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167374 Watch out Holt, GW666 and Darth Dick still have lots of that anthrax that they love sending out to decenters. If Klein had reported honestly he would have lost his job and the Evil Duo would have had to have his career destroyed thru smear and fear. Bush/Cheney Hague Trials '09 Buck Fush Watch out Holt, GW666 and Darth Dick still have lots of that anthrax that they love sending out to decenters.

If Klein had reported honestly he would have lost his job and the Evil Duo would have had to have his career destroyed thru smear and fear.

Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09

Buck Fush

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167373 Shayne Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:41:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167373 Does anybody besides Fox News viewers even read Time any more? I won't even read it in the doctor's waiting room. Does anybody besides Fox News viewers even read Time any more? I won’t even read it in the doctor’s waiting room.

]]> By: civil behavior http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167369 civil behavior Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:37:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167369 I've started to enjoy reading Think Progress more lately. Stays very current with breaking news but strives to write about it intellectually without too much sensationalism. Kudos. I’ve started to enjoy reading Think Progress more lately. Stays very current with breaking news but strives to write about it intellectually without too much sensationalism.

Kudos.

]]> By: StratRat http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167367 StratRat Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:36:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167367 <em>Time is just following WH orders….still. Comment by SWBob</em> Yep. Time is just following WH orders….still.

Comment by SWBob

Yep.

]]> By: SWBob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167363 SWBob Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:35:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167363 Time is just following WH orders....still. Time is just following WH orders….still.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167360 ralph the wonder llama Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:31:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167360 Wow. A House Dem with some stones. I always wondered what that would look like. Wow. A House Dem with some stones. I always wondered what that would look like.

]]> By: bernard quatermass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167359 bernard quatermass Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:31:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167359 Why do facts hate America? Why do facts hate America?

]]> By: raynman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/comment-page-1/#comment-4167350 raynman Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:28:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/holt-turns-up-the-heat-on-klein/#comment-4167350 OHMIGOD, not those damn <b> facts </b> again!! Who let them in!!! OHMIGOD, not those damn facts again!!

Who let them in!!!

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