Giuliani billed city agencies for personal trips.
Giuliani billed city agencies for personal trips.
As New York City mayor, Rudy Giuliani “billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons.” Politico reports:
The documents, obtained by Politico under New York’s Freedom of Information Law, show that the mayoral costs had nothing to do with the functions of the little-known city offices that defrayed his tabs, including agencies responsible for regulating loft apartments, aiding the disabled and providing lawyers for indigent defendants. [...]
When the city’s fiscal monitor asked for an explanation, Giuliani’s aides refused, citing “security,” said Jeff Simmons, a spokesman for the city comptroller.
But American Express bills and travel documents obtained by Politico suggest another reason City Hall may have considered the documents sensitive: They detail three summers of visits to Southampton, the Long Island town where Nathan had an apartment.
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God, and people seriously think this man should be President of the USofA. He can’t even keep an extramarital affair off the books. Come on, Rudy, if you want to play in the big leagues, you got to learn to cover your tracks better.
Wonder what his NSA file looks like . . .
November 28th, 2007 at 3:55 pmHe is a horrible person and shouldn’t get the nomination. How is it that Rudy and Hillary, they 2 worst canidates lead even though they are both pure scum? I would vote for Obama before either of these 2.
November 28th, 2007 at 3:58 pmWow, R2, yoou’re really foaming at the mouth. Hllary is scum? What did she do that’s anywhere near the filthy, vile behavior of the liar Benito Giuliani? Nothing, that’s what. Nice try, but Hillary is Snow White compared to the goomba.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:03 pmRudy doin the nasty with Judy (while still married to unsuspecting wife # #2) = Bill EXPENSES to NYC Baby!
Go Rudy Go !
Rudy & Judy are perfect for each other – really they are.
“Sorry supports – hold on – I gotta take this cellphone call”
“Judy?” he-he “is that you?” as the crowd swoons…….
Makes you want to puke – huh?
Even this scandal will not stop Rudy (BushCo Boy) Giuliani from the WH.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:03 pmAccording to Rudy “YOU’RE ALL ARE A BUNCH OF MORONS”
Another video in the slow political death of cross dresser want a be authoritarian Rudy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-ouQPgMmI
November 28th, 2007 at 4:05 pmHow is it . . . those that control the media (all liberals and borderline communists, of course) like them both and, for the past year, the media is the only one paying attention.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:06 pmEven this scandal will not stop Rudy (BushCo Boy) Giuliani from the WH.
Comment by AustinSF — November 28, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
I’m worried you’re correct, it seems this “America’s Mayor” crap isn’t just teflon, it’s kevlar. Why can’t America see this man for what he is, a person for whom 9/11 was the best thing ever to happen in his miserable life and that he will stop at nothing to exploit it in any way he can?
November 28th, 2007 at 4:07 pmThe media is saving up its invective and hatred that might be used on other candidates just in case Al Gore decides to run.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pmWow. A crook acting like a crook. There’s got to be a real body buried somewhere!
That’s our Rudy!
November 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pmAll the leg waxing had to get billed somewhere.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWas Judi’s Southampton apartment funded through her alimony from Husband #2 (Mr. Nathan) or from her live-in boyfriend Manos Zacharioudakis (1995-1999)?
Has anyone ever pressed Giuliani on whether he is “sorry” or “embarrassed” about his adultery? Or is he just allowed to be to be completely unrepentent.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:17 pmWhy can’t America see this man for what he is, a person for whom 9/11 was the best thing ever to happen in his miserable life and that he will stop at nothing to exploit it in any way he can?
Comment by Blue Stater
Because Americans, for the most part, are politically lazy and uninformed. The simple right vs. left or him vs. her arguments seem to catch their attention. Once too many variables enter the picture – or too many scandals come all at once – they run and hide. For them it is nearly impossible to remember who said (or did) what last year – or even last month.
That is why the founding fathers thought this would be a great experiment (democracy) because they wondered if ‘normal’ folks would really want to take part in the messy daily details of politics. Most don’t.
I believe that is why the right side dearly craves a monarch. It would remove so many untidy decisions they would be forced to make – all by themselves. Independant thought is their own self inflicted worry.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:22 pmI wonder if he would sell the Lincoln Bedroom like Hillary and Bill did? Or more important, secrets to the Chinese.
Comment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
The old but they did it too argument, though it actually in no way applies here, is what 8 year-olds do when they’re caught eating a cupcake, but if that is the level of your discourse…..
November 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmAnd this moron crook is running for President?? Rudy would certainly have White House cabinet members full of convicted felons, mobsters, drug lords, and so on. A new version of Sopranos on Capitol Hill.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:29 pmI wonder if he would sell the Lincoln Bedroom like Hillary and Bill did? Or more important, secrets to the Chinese.
Comment by Southern Man
Ahhhh, the ghost of Clintons past. Your point is juvenile and so out of date, it makes your position laughable. Please try harder.
I’m trying to remember which sh@thead has been president for more than 6 years – most of which with a compliant Congress….I can’t seem to recall…Oh yeah, his name was BUSH. Yeah that’s it: Bush.
Oh, I’m sorry, you were saying something about a PAST PRESIDENT? Why on earth would you do that? haven’t you been awake recently? Guess not.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:31 pmOr more important, secrets to the Chinese.
Comment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
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After Bush’s reign, we have nothing left to sell the Chinese. After he stopped selling, he just gave it to them. Then Bush started borrowing from them by the truckload. Now we have a massive, horrendous debt owed to the Chinese, along with tons of military equipment Bush decided the Chinese needed.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:32 pmah, southern ‘man’, there’s so much more to life than who slept in Lincoln bedroom while Bill was President or what was sold to the Chinese during that time with the Republican Congress’ urging. Besides, the same question can be asked of the current inhabitant of the WH. Who’s been sleeping over (and word is he’s been sleeping around, gasp) and what has he been selling to the Chinese (if not the entire nation through his hand over fist borrowing). Yeah, let’s start talking about the Chinese. And let’s add the Sauds, the Pakistanis, the Russians and all the other despots this administration coddles. Gr
November 28th, 2007 at 4:32 pmRepublican logic – Bill got a blowjob so it is OK for Bush to behead children.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:34 pmWhoa! there horsey. When was Clinton accused of rape? Musta missed that. Or perhaps that was just a little creative license that conservatives love so much.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:34 pmThe Chinese just humiliated the US by not allowing an aircraft carrier to dock for Thanksgiving.
How come this isn’t being reported by the ‘liberal media’?
-GSD
November 28th, 2007 at 4:38 pmNothing like boinking the taxpayers while boinking your whore.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmGeorge W. Bush has started an Insurgent Welfare Program(IWP) that gives Iraqi insurgents $300.00 a month cash stipends.
Yet Bush claims we don’t have money for poor American children.
-GSD
November 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“Kind of like Bill, the hopeful first husband? When Bill Clinton was asked why he had sexual relations with Lewinsky, he responded in his his latest book “Because I could.†That’s pretty unrepentent. At least Rudy hasn’t been acused of rape.
Comment by Southern Man”
Are you trying to claim that clinton was never raked over the coals over his fling with lewinsky? Are you really that stoopid? As for your “rape” accusation, your boys had 8 years and over 50 million dollars worth of investigations. If there was any evidence that would have held up in court clinton would be in jail right now. His past was picked over and over, just like your nose…The only reason you like rudy is that he married his cousin, you whitetrash inbred hilljack.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pmGive it the headline Fox would if it were a Democrat:
Giuliani Billed City Agencies for Sex Trips.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pmGive it the headline Fox would if it were a Democrat:
Comment by albert — November 28, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
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Giuliani (D – NY) caught in money sex scandal
November 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pmRe 29
“Giuliani screws mistress, and taxpayers”
Or, since we’re talking about Fox, how about,
“Does Giuliani drink the blood of virgins?”
November 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pmsouthern man is another cut and run republican. or maybe he just waddled out to the outhouse to set a spell.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:46 pmAnother bit of Rudy news:
Giuliani’s business contracts tie him to the man who let 9/11’s mastermind escape the FBI
This news may sink Rudy the Hypocrite, if it ever reaches MSM
November 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmRudi is Americas Mayor.
Comment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Better zip up, your ignorance is showing, and it is not something you should want to be flaunting.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:53 pmComment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
But the thing is that the majority of US citizens view the Clinton yars in a very positive and approving light so what is your point. Ms. Clinton is not my candidate, I just don’t see your point in light of the popularity of that administration amongst the population
November 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmComment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
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Personally, I think most people on the right will not vote for Rudy simply because he reminds them so much of Clinton. Also, most on TP, and most dems that I talk to, do not like Hillary. The EXTREME right-wing seems to be the only ones infatuated with her.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pmAlso, most on TP, and most dems that I talk to, do not like Hillary. The EXTREME right-wing seems to be the only ones infatuated with her.
Comment by Chris L — November 28, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
So true….
November 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmOnly way I would vote for Hillary is if she makes it past the primaries.
Then it will be a runoff of Republican-lite vs Republican =|
You can take the boy out of the Mafia but you can’t take the Mafia out of the boy! Once a thug, always a thug. Does Rudy bilking government agencies surprise anyone? He’ll do the same thing to our Treasury (what’s left of it after Chimpy raids it on his way out, that is). Rudy’s a con man, through and through.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmRudi is Americas Mayor. He cleaned up New York and handled 9/11 with more leadership than we have seen in a long time.
Comment by Some Troll
*cough, *cough…Stop it your killing me. This loser must be a joke – must be, right? “This scandal will blow over”, is that what you wrote? “He has proven leadership”, is that what you wrote? The entire universe was just knocked off course a little bit by your incredibly stoopid remarks.
Please don’t procreate. We do not need anymore at home ‘like you’. I am trying to imagine just how screwed up your mind must be to come up with these gems. You are kidding, right?
November 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSouthern Scum – blaa, blaa, blaa, blaa, RNC talking point, blaa, blaa, Clinton, blaa, blaa, blaa.
What a knuckle dragging subhuman neanderturd, it is really amazing that people are still around that are this stupid.
He is constantly off topic and tries to derail every thread he can, what an A$$Wipe.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
November 28th, 2007 at 5:01 pmComment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
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eh? The economy was wonderful under Clinton! Gas was $1.45 /gallon. We had this new invention called the internet. There are a lot of bad things you can say about Clinton (NAFTA), but the economy is not one of them.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmre 34
You’re wrong, but tell you what, when laura decides to run for president we’ll see won’t we. The way you present your arugment implys that you think this would be wrong, to hold laura responsible for the irresponsible behavior of her husband, and yet that is exactly what you do with Hillary.
Meanwhile, back in the reality based community, Rudy, who did in fact misuse taxpayer dollars to cheat on his wife, is the topic of disucssion. He is the one who stole from the taxpayers of NYC in order to feed his sinful lusts. Of course, since he’s a republican that doesn’t matter to you does it?
As far as his “America’s Mayor” crap. he’s not my mayor. He’s an idiot who put his emergency response headquaters in the same building that had been attacked by terrorists. He is responsible for the culture police brutality that condoned the shooting of unarmed, innocent black men, as well as the ass-raping by plunger of Amadio Dialo. He is reviled by New Yorkers. He is reviled by fire fighters. he is loved by wingnuts who get their info from faux news. ps, quit peeking at your mother when she uses the outhouse.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmNote- I’m not calling you stupid. That was a line used a million times during the last two years of Clinton.
Note- That slogan was also used many times, many years ago. It wasn’t invented because of Clinton.
Comment by Southern Man
Dear boy, you are not helping yourself one bit. Best if you just went away – back to your clubhouse. Your mom will call you when the peanut butter is soft again. No more kool-aid for you.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmChris & Wayne: You do realize that Hillary’s roots are Republican. She worked on GOP campaigns when she was still in high school and college. She’s a Republican in Dem clothing – a wolf in sheep’s clothing as it were.
Hillary is Bush Lite and cannot be trusted. She’s a “war monger” and can’t defend her vote to enable the war in Iraq. One of the key individuals in her campaign is involved with Blackwater. Are the Clintons intimately tied to Blackwater as well. The dirt will come out, no doubt about it.
I don’t like Hillary because she’s indebted to all of the corporate special interest groups for all of her money. Essentially, she’s a “bought and paid for candidate” – we’ve learned the hard way how that doesn’t work for this country at all.
The infatuation to which you refer by the reichwingnuts is simply the fact that they believe that Hillary will be another Bush, but with longer hair and a different chromosomal genetic pool. They KNOW she’s part of the elitist washington establishment which protects the rich and craps on the poor.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for George W. Bush all over again. She talks the talk but you know that she doesn’t “walk the talk”. A more authentic candidate would be Obama, Edwards, or Kucinich.
The reichwingnuts hope to get one of their kind (moderate democrat) in so they will have a “win/win” situation in 08…..Hillary or Giuliani – Bush Lite or Bush Extra Testosterone – take your pick.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:04 pmComment by Veritas — November 28, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
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There are many times when I disagree with you. This is not one of them. Perfectly stated, you summed it up better than anyone I have ever heard. Thank you.
Kucinich / Solz ‘08
November 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pm“…Hillary or Giuliani – Bush Lite or Bush Extra Testosterone – take your pick.
Comment by Veritas”
What you say may well be true, and I’m not voting for her in my primary, I will choose bush lite over bush extra… As least she’s smart enough to try and govern. i hope.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pmWhy do you think the whoring mainstream media has made a “darling” out of Hillary and continues to give her added air time and more emphasis than any of the other democratic candidates?
This is not “by mistake” or because what they are purporting is based on true polls or authentic numbers – it’s because the MSM has a vested interest in NOT having an honest, forthright, unowned corporately president. They need to know that their bread will continue to be buttered by the next CIC. That’s precisely what they will get with Hillary or Rudy.
It’s time for americans to stand up to the sycophantic media whores and their corporations who think that they can run this country with their spin, drivel, and outright lies. Boycott everything they do. Find out which products support these fascists and boycott their products – every last one of them.
Hit these corporate criminals where it hurts – in their pocket book. It’s time for Americans to stand up for what they believe and tell these propagandists to go straight to hell.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:08 pmNotice that Southern Idiot-man does not address the issues brought up about Rudy, instead he tries to change the subject with his “Clinton did it too” Bullsh!t.
What about Rudy doing business with the family of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, Southern Idiot?
November 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pmStill want to claim him as America’s Mayor? ( I must shower after typing that, yuck )
So another person in a powerful position hides behind “security” when he doesn’t want anyone snooping around. Thus expect more abuse of “national security” as an excuse should Rudy become president.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“You got anything better than insults. How about respond with facts …”
southernman”
LIkewise gomer. reguritating faux news platitudes is not resonding with “facts”. Answer why rudy shouldn’t be held accountable for stealing from taxpayers? (hint: clinton did it isn’t a fact, it’s a diversion.)
November 28th, 2007 at 5:10 pm#52 I hear some of the swiftboating of Rudy will have to do with his family members coming forward and spilling their guts to the american people about Rudy’s corrupt family values. They’ll tell the entire story about his trysting with his current wife and kicking his own kids out of their home. His skid-marked undies will be aired nation-wide. If he wants to dance to the music, it’s time for Rudy to pay to the piper.
I’ve also heard that the united firefighters will air how Rudy actually ran from ground zero. What a whimp!
Oh, and don’t forget the intentionally distributed radios from Motorola which he know wouldn’t work so the distaster was sure to become a “mega disaster”.
Rudy will be “toast” when the New Yorkers get through with him.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:11 pmComment by Veritas — November 28, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
I agree.
The weirdest thing is that no Democrat I know supports Hillary. I suspect most of her support is from MSM & Corporations, which is where all her money comes from.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:13 pmRudy Guiliani’s nothing more than a City Mayor with a wet dream based on viagra, testosterone shots, and an ego larger than the state of Texas. This is a man with zippo political experience.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWayne: I’m beginning to believe that Hillary is being propped up by the GOP, her corporate cronies who have bought her lock, stock, and barrel, and elitists. I haven’t found an Independent who is voting for Hillary either…..so who’s left??
November 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWhat you lack in personality must bring you to sites like this. Being lonely must be hard. Your ugly on the inside as shown by your post, so I must assume……
Comment by Southern Man
Sir, please…You cannot come to a debate empty handed. It’s that simple. By hoisting Rudy up on your shoulders – after all we know about him and his ’service’ to New York, you should have known you would be laughed out of the room. If you get accosted by a homeless drunk, you certainly don’t stand in the street trying to explain your position. Sober people understand you cannot argue with a sick mind (apologies to Joe Walsh), and they back away.
Your reverence for Rudy is clear. So much so, it would be waste of my expensive time to begin to explain things to you. If you have chosen Rudy to be your candidate – fine. Just don’t come to TP and expect to be taken seriously.
BTW: I am often told my insides are quite lovely. And for me being lonely, the next time I am up on stage in front of 2500 screaming rock and roll fans, I’ll ask them if I should feel lonely. Mmmmkay?
November 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmAfter her major faux pas during the recent debate about driver’s licenses for illegals, Hillary’s tanking. She then flipflopped in a major way and tried to squirm out of it. To boot, she still can’t shed that disastrous “aye vote” to enable an illegal war in Iraq. She’s screwed and Iowa will knock her down to size. After Iowa, Hillary will be out of the race…..
November 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pmFrom Frank Rich’s column Nov. 18
”In fact, a senior executive in the News Corporation organization told Regan that he believed she had information about Kerik that, if disclosed, would harm Giuliani’s presidential campaign. This executive advised Regan to lie to, and to withhold information from, investigators concerning Kerik.”
November 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pmThat would be Judith Regan, who disappeared last December after she was unceremoniously fired from Rupert Murdoch’s publishing house, HarperCollins.
She knows a lot about Mr. Kerik, Mr. Giuliani and the Murdoch empire. And she could talk.
And she was Mr. Kerik’s lover.
Comment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Bull! He didn’t “go down” because the people did not want him to. Talk to any historian or student of politics. Like him or hate him, Bill Clinton is one of the single most successful politicians we have ever produced. His capacity to connect with the people is still marvelled at by most in this field of study
November 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pmStratRat: You just knocked that old dudes socks off – and handily! Bravo! Well stated.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pmHey Guys – dontcha just love it when these morons come to the thread with nothing to offer but an attempt to blame Bill Clinton? Their transparent idiocy is priceless.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:18 pmSouthern Man is corretcomundo on one small portion of his statement: Rudy Giuliani is a Mayor – end of discussion. Rudy is illustrative of the “peter principle” in action. As a mayor, the job was clearly over his head. A recent poll of present NYers says that 9 out of 10 think that Mike Bloomberg is, by far, a better mayor than Rudy ever was…..including 911….which is saying something.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:20 pmBadger: What Judith Regan has already testified to IS the key to taking down Sir Rudy! Rudy helped Kerik prepare the falsified application to become Homeland Security Chief – ‘nuf said right there.
But there’s more where that came from, as we all know, so much more. People are talking in New York and I think that Rudy will be in for a very “rude-y awakening” when the shit hits the fan.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThanks Chris – disagreements aside, our major goal is to rid the ongoing corruption in our government and bring the power back to the people. This is one goal which should unify all of us.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:25 pmActually, S+M, that should read “you’re a smart one.” Proving our point.
But as someone who lived in NYC during the Giuliani years, let me try to dismantle your delusions:
Rudy didn’t clean up NYC; his first police commissioner, Bill Bratton, did, using a system he’d started under David Dinkins. When Bratton started to get positive press for his accomplishments, Giuliani got jealous and fired him, first bringing in Howard “Nastiest Man in the World” Safer and then Bernie “Soon to be Imprisoned” Kerik. However, under Rudy the NYPD quickly increased their numbers on police brutality, police killings, illegal searches, profiling, etc. Rudy’s disdain of non-white people was the model they followed, though I imagine you’re fine with that.
Rudy wasn’t a model of leadership or heroism on 9/11. He was scuttling around downtown, trying not to get smooshed, because he’d put his emergency command center on the 21st floor of 7WTC — just across the street from the target for the previous terrorist strike in a building with thousands of gallons of diesel fuel in its basement. There’s also some serious question about Rudy’s version of his actions that day, suggesting he may have spent some of the morning being led around, not leading.
Rudy was responsible for the firefighters not having workable radios. Rudy’s responsible for all the remains found in a garbage dump. Rudy claims he was at Ground Zero “more than any rescue worker”, which the workers say is a lie.
Also, Rudy’s still not out of the woods legally. He wears World Series rings that he’s not entitled to that cost tens of thousands each; he’s still not said who paid for them. Bernie Kerik knows where all the bodies are buried, and Bernie’s ex, Judith Regan apparently knows enough as well to sink Rudy. Either one of them is likely to talk under oath.
I could go on for days; before you back Rudy, you’d better take a good look at him, or you’ll think Dumbya was Mr. Rogers, and that won’t be good for you, either.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmThanks Chris – disagreements aside, our major goal is to rid the ongoing corruption in our government and bring the power back to the people. This is one goal which should unify all of us.
Comment by Veritas — November 28, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
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Agreed.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmStratRat: You just knocked that old dudes socks off – and handily! Bravo! Well stated.
Comment by Veritas
I do appreciate your kind words.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:29 pmand yet southernfriedredneck still won’t respond to the issue of rudy being nothing more than a cheating, cousin boinking, crossdressing, incompetent. instead he complains about someone else using insults. wahhhhh. The reason he keeps using the word projection is because that is what you keep doing, gomer.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmre 80
November 28th, 2007 at 5:41 pmAnd yet you support an incredibly corrupt cantidate. Rudy has used the tragedy of 9-11 for personal profit. he tied himself to Kerik. he cheated on his wife, and eventually moved his mistress into the home provided by NYC taxpayers. It’s a shame you don’t walk your talk.
The economy is good now rhf. I know you’ll spout out that I’m a dum bass who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but you are wrong. I’d call you stupid but even your dolls know that.
Comment by Southern Man
I promise to be respectful. Our economy has serious problems right now. Most serious is the home foreclosures occuring right now. For every foreclosure, there are 5-10 folks just ‘hanging on’. They are one or two paycheks away from losing their homes. That is bad – for consumers and banks.
2nd is the free fall of the value of the dollar against the major currencies. This is a huge issue and I would suggest you research this. As our currency loses value around the world, more dollars are required to purchase foreign goods and services (like purchasing oil and obtaining credit).
3rd is our ever shrinking higher paid workforce – typically maunfacturing. These folks are the absolute backbone of the middle class. They earn enough to have disposable income and plan for their future. They pay more in taxes and usually send their kids to college (which helps our future).
4th is the ever increasing debt burden which our children and grandchildren will inherit. Interest on that debt burden is about 15% of GDP right now. That is money we could spend on infrastructure, climate change, alternative energy, education, veterans assistance, etc…
So you can see the problems are not very fancy, but they are very important and they are accute. We need to address these if we are to remain a dominant economic force around the globe.
November 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“I’m not voting for Rudy, Bob. Great, he’s a cheating, incompetent, crossdresser that boinks his cousin. Who cares. He’s actually more like Hillary now that you mention it.
Comment by Southern Man”
How is Hillary any of those things? Why are you defending rudy if you think he’s all those things? Why are you here?
November 28th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWell put. The value of the dollar is worriesome right now. Your all class Strat!
Comment by Southern Man
It’s always fun sparring with someone from the other side – even if we get a little carried away. Cheers to you, sir!
November 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pmThank Gore for the internet.
Comment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
When will this myth be put to rest?
November 28th, 2007 at 5:59 pmSouthern man:
1. Clinton did no more in terms of raising funds with visitors to the WH than have other presidents. Does not mean that we condone the conduct. However, I do remember receiving a number of calls from the Republicans telling me that I was being selected as an outstanding business man of the year and that I would serve on a special advisory counsel to the President. Of course, they expected a lot of political contributions in return. The Republicans also had their set fees for political dinners and such to have your photo taken with the President, meet with him and so forth. I like it from neither party. Your point really seems to be senseless.
2. The Bush administration and congressional Republicans had to take it a step further. They just sell government. That was indeed the concept of the K Street Project. Its leader went so far as to keep a book of companies and how much they contributed. The Bush appointments to agencies also show clear favoritism to high rollers in the industries to be regulated. Oh year, their was Jack Ab. Yes, the Republicans just sell the government to the highest business.
3. The number of Republicans caught up in bribery scandals, influence peddling and sex scandals far surpasses any other administration in recent memory, Republican or Democratic.
4. The personal lives of the leading Republican candidates evidence an astounding number of affairs and divorces. Truly candidates of high moral background. Clinton had his problems. At least they were able to work them out and stay married. Julie has the class to tell his second wife that he is leaving her during his news conference. (Kinda like Gingrich rolling his wife on a divorce settlement while she was in the hospital fighting cancer) Julie’s children won’t even talk to him. Sorry, the Clinton saga pales in comparison. (Clinton was accused of a lot of things. They were all investigated by a Republican team and found nothing.)
4. Julie did very little for NY. Every major US city showed lower crimes stats during his period of tenure. Many of “his” innovations actually started under the previous mayor. He was more noted for placing the emergency command center in the trade towers despite being told not to by state and federal agencies. He was the one who surrounded himself with such sterling characters as Kerik. The people of NY City and even conservative upstate NY turned against him when he ran against Hillary. These are the ones who could really judge his performance while you are merely a mindless Republican moron.
5. Clinton did not help the economy? Read Greenspan’s book. He acknowledged that it was Clinton who best understood the economy and the actions necessary to steer it in the direction. But you would know better – idiot. Oh by the way, Southern hypocrite – you change your tune from comment 58 when you conceded that Clinton did have a good economy. I hate scum. You are scum.
November 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWhat band are you in? 2,500? Must be fun! And to you.
Comment by Southern Man
My band is called Mental Note. We play all over Southern California (LA, San Diego, Palm Springs). Even Vegas and Tahoe a few times a year.
November 28th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI know you’ll spout out that I’m a dum bass who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but you are wrong. I’d call you stupid but even your dolls know that.
Comment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
You may or may not be a dum bass, but you most certainly are either a liar or a fool. You have lied about Guliani and both clinton’s and you have been fooled by the GOP, the party of Treason, Theft and Mass Murder, so perhaps you’re both liar and fool. that might just make you a dumbass.
November 28th, 2007 at 6:16 pmCrap. Idiots like Southernman and his pals Billy and Roger DESERVE the kind of government we’ve gotten under thugs like Bush and Guiliani…
The problem is that the rest of us DON’T. And I, for one, am sick of government by thugs, for thugs and of thugs!
November 28th, 2007 at 6:50 pmSouthern man, somewhere above you posted this: ““How about respond with facts stating why he was not a leader after 9/11.â€
I responded with three cogent arguments in response (see#79) and you pretended not to notice that someone had actually honored your challenge with “facts stating why he was not a leader after 9-11.” If you don’t want to be treated like an a-hole around here, why not stop acting like an a-hole?
November 28th, 2007 at 7:05 pmPeople who support this facist RePugniScum are, well, uh, facist RePugniScums!!
November 28th, 2007 at 7:20 pm“She’s a power mad politician like him.”
Comment by Southern Man — November 28, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Of all the people running for the highest office in the land, the woman is the only one who wants power. And Bill Clinton? Sure. He had ambitions for power, but not Bob Dole or George HW Bush. And, certainly not W. Why W has never had any ambition to power at all, right southern guy?
November 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pmSouthern guy: “No, the economy was stating to get better. Then Clinton announced taxes would rise and investors slowed down, thus the economy. Then, the dems lost the house and senate in 04, and investors statted to gain more confidence again.”
Land o’ goshen, that’s a nice little yarn, pardner! Just one problem. Clinton’s tax increase was in 1993. Among other things, he raised the top marginal rate (you know, the one the most wealthy pay) by 3%. Not only did no Repubs vote for it, but they predicted that it would send us into recession (Gingridge even said it would cause a depression.) The next year, the deficit started to go down, the economy started booming with the “dot-com” run and the economic expansion didn’t end until 2001. If you don’t believe me, check out that liberal rag, Forbes. They rate Clinton’s economic performance among the best in history.
November 28th, 2007 at 7:33 pmdbadass: “When will this myth be put to rest?”
It will be with us as long as paid corporate whores in the media pass it and dumb crackers buy it. But, according to Dr. Vint Cerf, the real “Father of the Internet,” no politician did more to facilitate the growth of the internet than Senator Al Gore.
November 28th, 2007 at 7:38 pmIf you don’t believe me, check out that liberal rag, Forbes. They rate Clinton’s economic performance among the best in history.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 28, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Right on point Col.
Recent studies have shown that the economy has historically performed better under DemoRats than RePugniScums. If you want to make money for yourself vote for a DemoRat. If you want to make money for your boss and his boss and his boss then vote RePugniScum!!
However, both parties suck at the teets of the super wealthy and screw us all everyday 24/7!!!
November 28th, 2007 at 7:39 pmJMOHR: “The number of Republicans caught up in bribery scandals, influence peddling and sex scandals far surpasses any other administration in recent memory, Republican or Democratic.”
I agree, but let’s not forget the 132 indictments during Reagan or the crushing corruption of the Hoover administration. By sheer coincidence, both Republican administrations.
November 28th, 2007 at 7:48 pmYou know, dixie blood, as a yankee, I sometimes revert to old prejudices about southerners, especially after annoying interactions with “Southern Man,” but your posts always pull me back to earth and remind me that I’ve known many awsome southerners in my life. Thanks. I would remind you though, that of the two parties, the Dems are the party of unions, public education, Medicare, Social Security, rural electrification, civil rights, womens’ rights and a host of other things most of us take for granted. Yes, both parties must feed at the corporate teat, but Dems are the only ones talking about fixing that as well with public financing of elections and media regulation.
November 28th, 2007 at 7:56 pmOne more thing about Bill Clinton and the economy. The guy was a Rhodes Scholar in ECONOMICS! He presented a plan for the economy which included targeted tax cuts and economic help for working people and a higher marginal rate on our most wealthy. We all know what happened. Reagan sat there like a stone listening to Milton Friedman pontificate and the media called it “Reaganomics!” Why didn’t they call what happened in the 90’s “Clintonomics?” Because THEY are not a liberal media, that’s why.
November 28th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI would remind you though, that of the two parties, the Dems are the party of unions, public education, Medicare, Social Security, rural electrification, civil rights, womens’ rights and a host of other things most of us take for granted.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 28, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
Including the 40 hour work week, paid overtime, the minimum wage and no more child/female/exploited labor….
Unless it’s overseas…then both parties look the other way. Money makes that happen. Money makes fasism happen. Money props up dictatorships. Money corrupts democracy!!
November 28th, 2007 at 8:15 pmThis is REAL odd. Neither CNN or MSNBC have the Guiliani story but, Fox has it as their main news story. They are screwing with our minds.
November 28th, 2007 at 8:36 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 28, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Exactly Sir and all Mr. Gore ever said was that he worked hard to see to it that this fine project was properly funded.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:29 pmWho doesn’t know Giuliani is a crook by now? Wait until he wins the primary before attacking the honesty of this c0cksucker.
November 29th, 2007 at 12:46 am