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O’Reilly declares a ‘great victory’ in ‘War on Christmas.’»

Earlier this month, ThinkProgress noted that Fox News host Bill O’Reilly had reignited his annual conniption fit over a perceived “War on Christmas,” taking aim at the Fort Collins, CO City Council’s consideration of a plan to eschew publicly-funded displays of traditional Christmas decorations. Last week, the council voted to continue using traditional decorations. Now O’Reilly is gloating, calling it “a great victory” in his War:

BILL O’REILLY: Also in Fort Collins, Colorado, the anti-Christmas task force, which recommended banning traditional decorations on public property has been rebuffed. The folks said no. …It’s a great victory.

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221 Responses to “O’Reilly declares a ‘great victory’ in ‘War on Christmas.’”


  1. toasterhead Says:

    Does this mean Bill O’Reilly is going to do a USO Tour and visit the Christian Soldiers in Fort Collins now??

    Maybe he’ll bring Dr. Laura along. I hear she’s been anxious to get a free USO vacation too…


  2. Bobwurst Says:

    So does this mean Mr. Henkie is free to smear his Christmas poo on
    poorly drawn cartoon characters again? Hideeho!


  3. DanCaveman Says:

    I am so glad this gets covered. I mean it is nice that someone can finally report on what is important and take some focus away from the TWO ACTUAL WARS going on.

    I mean with Christmas nearing extinction, it is good someone will take up the cause. Who cares that disabled Iraq Veterans are waiting 6+ months before getting their benefits when someone is trying to exterminate Christmas!


  4. Squegeeboo Says:

    If O’Reilly is reporting on a war on Christmas, and the town voted against banning traditional displays, wouldn’t it be a great defeat in the war as opposed to a victory?


  5. Leftside Annie Says:

    Ohhhhhh, crap.

    Billo’s been hitting the cooking sherry again.


  6. Juan C. Says:

    I just feel sorry for this guy.


  7. Bush Cover Ups Says:

    maybe there declaring victory cause the troops have to leave 31st dec 07


  8. Shayne Says:

    We should be grateful that O’Reilly concentrates on non issues like this rather than focusing all that stupid on important issues. The country is in enough trouble without him messing it up any more.


  9. raynman Says:

    Hmmm… reading about this it seems that the City Council was not voting to ‘exclude’ Christmas, but to ‘include’ other religious observances and symbols (such as a menorah) along with the more Christian Symbols.

    Why does Bill O’Reilly hate Americans?


  10. toasterhead Says:

    If O’Reilly is reporting on a war on Christmas, and the town voted against banning traditional displays, wouldn’t it be a great defeat in the war as opposed to a victory?

    Comment by Squegeeboo — November 28, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

    What Bill seems to ignore is that the council also voted for an all-faith holiday display that will include a nativity scene, a Wiccan yule log, a Menorah, a Baha’i 9-point star, and holiday symbols eight other feiths. So it’s also a victory in the War on Solstice and the War on Hannukah and the War on Diwaniya and others.


  11. toasterhead Says:

    Stop giving this guy air-time. Ignore him. Pretend he’s not there.

    Comment by Rowdy — November 28, 2007 @ 2:15 pm

    But but but then we’d have nobody to make fun of. :(


  12. ivalum21 Says:

    Okay, I realize Bill-O is a moron, but what about the underlying topic here. I mean, isn’t it pretty ridiculous for the ACLU to try to ban Christmas decorations??

    It is stupid for Bill-O to claim a victory in his pretend war, but its also pretty stupid to try to ban Christmas decorations.


  13. Leftside Annie Says:

    Gawd. These people are just so damned ….embarrassing!!!!

    Pass me my Unknown American bag, wouldja? Sheesh.


  14. lefty Says:

    I can’t decide what’s phonier, the “War on Christmas” or “Islamofascism”.

    Hmmm….


  15. Dr. Matt Says:

    You can always claim victories for wars that don’t exist….run with it, Bill-O, your desperation for relevance is only growing.


  16. Tender Chicken Says:

    Bill O. is a pathetic, sad little man with millions of dollars and not a single friend in the world. When his reign of terror ends along with Bush’s, he will be forgotten. And that will be his comeuppance for the damage he helped Bush do to this country. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if we read one day that he’s committed suicide.


  17. fletc3her Says:

    I celebrate Christmas in the grand American tradition of having absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. I revel in the fact that I celebrate only secular aspects of the holiday. Crass commercialization, false idols, pagan rituals, bring it on!


  18. Wilco Says:

    I lost good friends in the War on Diwaniya.


  19. SP Biloxi Says:

    Knucklehead Bill-O is just getting nauseating. Bill-O has no new material called “the news” so he has to rehash his crapola spin on the War on Christmas.


  20. Leftside Annie Says:

    I read both of the articles linked from this story - and I have to say that someone ought to have a little chat with that woman who opined that including symbols of other winter celebrations was “political correctness run amuck.”

    Evidently that genius doesn’t get that without all those symbols of other winter celebrations that we include in our current Christmas tradition, well, there wouldn’t be much left over for all that decoratin’.

    Sheesh.


  21. hellinabucket Says:

    Does this mean he’ll shut up about the whole “War on Christmas” early and give us a break?


  22. shoeless Says:

    Has anyone noticed the Christmas War starts earlier every year? This year it started so early, hardly anyone even noticed the fanatical evangelical Christian’s War on Halloween.


  23. Wilco Says:

    Does this mean he’ll shut up about the whole “War on Christmas” early and give us a break?

    Comment by hellinabucket

    No! Not until there is a plastic baby Jesus on every lawn of every public building in the country!


  24. skippy20007 Says:

    Conservative parents blew a great opportunity NOT to buy their kids presents. Just tell them, “I wanted to buy you a bike and a PlayStation 3 and everything you ever wanted, but the liberals cancelled Christmas. Sorry.”


  25. hellinabucket Says:

    Does the term “War is Hell” apply here. And if it does, isn’t that a sin? Daryll?


  26. Buckie Boy Says:

    We should declare a War on STUPID, but when you win Bill 0-IQ will be just as stupid along with the rest of the neanderturd 24%ers. You just can’t fix stupid.

    I’m an atheist but every year I decorate the house with Christmas stuff, this year my wife says she is gonna do it…which means…no decorations at all. 8-(

    Bush/Cheney
    Hague Trials ‘09

    Buck Fush


  27. FearandSmear Says:

    Aw, let him have his victory.

    Myself, I’m celebrating a HUGE victory today over the successful elimination of flying elephants.

    For over two weeks, there hasn’t been a flying elephant around here.

    VICTORY!


  28. Saint Augustine Says:

    Comment by skippy20007 — November 28, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

    That will be a better story than to have to tell them that all the things they wanted were recalled for safety reasons!


  29. Dr. Matt Says:

    Has any of the intellectually challenged reich-wingers brought up O’Racist’s “ratings” yet?


  30. Red Pill Says:

    LOVE the Christmas lights over the American flag! ‘Cause Jesus wuz from the good ol’ US of A!


  31. Menehune Says:

    Fight the REAL enemy, Bill — the economy is detonating like a crazed jihadi right in the middle of Christmas and you don’t seem to notice.


  32. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Stop giving this guy air-time. Ignore him. Pretend he’s not there.

    Comment by Rowdy — November 28, 2007 @ 2:15 pm

    But but but then we’d have nobody to make fun of. :(

    Comment by toasterhead — November 28, 2007 @ 2:26 pm

    Don’t be such a gloomy gus, TH. We’ll always have Southern Man, TCDon, Mr. Pee’s Troll Name du jour…


  33. LividLib Says:

    the only thing missing is a banner behind the dipshit declaring “Mission Accomplished”

    screw christmas!


  34. Leftside Annie Says:

    33 - Heheheh, Ralph! True, so true. Hmmmm. Haven’t seen the TamponDon lately - which is a good thing. ;o)


  35. ForTruth Says:

    Well good for him, maybe now he’ll shut up about it.


  36. missmolly Says:

    Apparently this “war” is only on Bill-o’s radar. The rest of us couldn’t really give a flip over whether Fort Collins chooses white lights or colored ones.

    So now that victory has been declared, what’s his next non-issue going to be?


  37. Wilco Says:

    With the holidays upon us, I’ve been reminiscing about TP threads past, about TP trolls past.
    Does anyone here remember I_RIGHT_I?


  38. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Any holiday, person, place, loofa, and anything else Bill-O vouches for should be thoroughly investigated by the Congress. Perhaps it’s not good for America after all.


  39. hellinabucket Says:

    Ah the trolls of christmas past. IRI had a flare to incite. And who could forget about Mighty Aphrodite?

    Joe Sixpack is a progressive poster that I miss.


  40. shoeless Says:

    So now that victory has been declared, what’s his next non-issue going to be?

    Comment by missmolly

    Well, Reagan said trees cause pollution. Maybe he could start a War on Arbor Day.


  41. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Of course, Bildo’s declaration of victory in the War on Christmas leads to the question: is it time to pull our troops out?


  42. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Our great lobbyist, Bildo Reilly. Stephen Covey would shake in his boots if Bill released the book, “The Seven Habits of Lockstep 24%-ers.”


  43. Wilco Says:

    hellina, I miss unbelievable most of all…
    it was a sad day when she left.


  44. pete Says:

    I am so glad we are free to, as George Carlin put it, “Sacrifice a tree to Jesus”. All the pretty lights are just a bonus.


  45. Leftside Annie Says:

    Billy Hill! Billy Hill! Billy Hill!!!


  46. tarazan Says:

    Fox, O’Reilly and Gibson found them a story to tell at the end of every year called ‘ War on Christmas’.
    Instead of talking about the real war in Iraq or Afghanstan…they chose,instead to tackle a non-existing ‘War of Christmas’ in America.


  47. Wilco Says:

    Billy Hill
    He also ends sentences with prepositions!
    That is something up with which I can not put!


  48. shoeless Says:

    I think he uses children to satisfy his preverted desires, he uses women to profit from…

    Comment by Billy Hill


  49. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Merry Christmas to ya’ all!

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:22 pm

    You’re such a liar. Target was never prevented from putting up a Merry Christmas banner. You and the truth are absolute, lifelong strangers.

    I hope you get the flu for Christmas, you sick piece of shit.


  50. joe cantwell Says:

    Thankfully, all the foolish anti-Christmas bullcrap hasn’t come to northwestern New Mexico. The city-sponsored Christmas decor is already gracing our local streets. And in the local schools, they still allow the religious themed Christmas songs to be sung during the Christmas plays…religious inspired verses intact.

    Merry Christmas to ya’ all!

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:22 pm

    that’s nice. but you don’t have loofahs and falafel hanging from yours christmas trees like billy does, do you? because, unless you do, it’s obvious that your community in nw new mexico hates baby jesus.

    eh?


  51. Lefty Patriot Says:

    “And in the local schools, they still allow the religious themed Christmas songs to be sung during the Christmas plays…religious inspired verses intact.”

    Showing no respect for the Constitution or America, no wonder you cheer them on, being an america-hater born and bred. Traitor.


  52. hellinabucket Says:

    No loss for progressives. Just a fabricated “War” with meaningless victories. The truth is religion is best when it comes from within and not dictated by the decorations seen on the side of the road. All my readings of the Bible lead me to believe that christ himself wouldn’t care for the celebration when he looked at the other 363 (sometimes 364) days of the year.

    Mr. O. Bigfoot, I do wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I also wish you to be more understanding of the falsehoods that have kept you behind a president and administration that does not have America’s best interests at hear.

    No loss that B.O. claims victory. It’s only in his head.


  53. Lefty Patriot Says:

    It looks like it’s time to get the ACLU into new Mexico, to prevent the crazed Christianists from forcing their superstitions down poor children’s throats.


  54. shoeless Says:

    I see our local Target store has a big “Merry Christmas” banner over their entryway this year. It’s about 10 feet wide….last year they weren’t allowed to put one up. Guess the people have spoken there also.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    Wow! Last year Target wasn’t allowed to put up a “Merry Christmas” banner?!?! Who stopped them? Do you have names? Do you know where these people live? We should call the police!


  55. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    It must really suck to be a conservative these days. It’s so bad, it seems, that they have to convince themselves that progressives are anti-Christmas and then they congratulate themselves as if they’ve won some kind of victory when someone puts up Christmas lights.

    Kinda pathetic.

    Oh well, after their domestic policies have wrecked the middle class and tanked the economy, and their foreign policies have entangled our military in the middle of a civil war, while their party is imploding under the weight of mass corruption, obstructionsim and incompetence, I guess they don’t have a lot else to look forward to.

    Let’s let them believe that they’ve struck some mighty blow against the forces of “darkness”. If you look at them like they’re characters in a sitcom, then they become funny, not sad.


  56. joe cantwell Says:

    You’re such a liar. Target was never prevented from putting up a Merry Christmas banner. You and the truth are absolute, lifelong strangers.

    I hope you get the flu for Christmas, you sick piece of shit.

    Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:31 pm

    i think o. biggie’s right. target did declare war on christmas last year. and i don’t care how many signs or banners they put up, i’m not gonna shop at a store that’s run by christ haters!

    right biggie?


  57. joe cantwell Says:

    You’d better do a little research before spouting off, LP. Lest you look ignorant.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

    biggie’s right! getcha yer self some loofahs and falafel… start celebrating christmas right!


  58. bernard quatermass Says:

    “It is a great victory for traditional America”

    Edit and/or real meaning:

    “It is a great victory for white male-dominated unimaginative Christian hidebound unfocused overweight tv-watching money-worshiping traditional America …”

    Not to mention a great victory for O. Bigfoot because it lets him come on here, fart out a gleeful little corporate chuckle in between bites of his Little Debbie snack cake, and feel all warm and smug in his bed.


  59. joe cantwell Says:

    My wife worked at Target and they were given “Happy Holiday” banners to put up, and were directed to utter nothing but “Happy Holidays” during the Christmas season. No reference to any holiday of “religious signifigance” was allowed.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

    biggie… your wife took money from the christ haters at target?!

    and what she doing working outside of the home?… can’t you take care of her?


  60. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Sorry LP, the Constitution is a religiously inspired document, based on divine principles. Until you accept that, you can never be correct in your references to it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:38 pm

    O. Bigmouth shows precious little understanding of the nature of the Constitution, or the process that developed the document, or the gentlemen responsible.

    But that should come as no surprise to anyone who’s familiar with O. Biggie’s work.


  61. joe cantwell Says:

    Sorry LP, the Constitution is a religiously inspired document, based on divine principles. Until you accept that, you can never be correct in your references to it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:38 pm

    yep, by the order of the free masons.

    brother biggie what lodge do you hail from?


  62. shoeless Says:

    Sorry, LP, you’re wrong again. My wife worked at Target and they were given “Happy Holiday” banners to put up, and were directed to utter nothing but “Happy Holidays” during the Christmas season. No reference to any holiday of “religious signifigance” was allowed.

    You’d better do a little research before spouting off, LP. Lest you look ignorant.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    And who “directed [Target] to utter nothing but ‘Happy Holidays’ during the Christmas season”? That’s not right! We need to get to the bottom of these threats against Target! Please, if you have any information on the dastardly villians who stopped Target from putting up items of “religious signifigance” call your local law enforcement immediately. These ne’er-do-wells must be apprehended.



  63. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Sorry LP, the Constitution is a religiously inspired document, based on divine principles. Until you accept that, you can never be correct in your references to it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:38 pm

    You take great pleasure in being wrong 100% of the time, don’t you? You should have paid attention is school.


  64. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Progressives win! F_ck Bill and Happy Holidays!


  65. Lefty Patriot Says:

    And you have something against women having meaningful jobs, or equal rights for women? I guess you’re merely a “faux progressive”, eh joe?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:45 pm

    and you’re a “faux American”, you’ve proven that pretty clearly.


  66. joe cantwell Says:

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:42 pm

    yes but our lord was scourged by the romans… and yet you take money from them!

    eternal damnation haunts you, your decorated delivery trucks cannot save your immortal soul … how do you sleep at night?


  67. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    O. Bigmouth also shows no ability to perceive sarcasm.

    Not a good day for O’Biggie.


  68. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Comment by Lefty Patriot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:44 pm

    State some facts so you can put the troll in his place.


  69. joe cantwell Says:

    And you have something against women having meaningful jobs, or equal rights for women? I guess you’re merely a “faux progressive”, eh joe?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:45 pm

    diverting attention away from you shunning of traditional american values will not save you.

    you either love america… or you piss on it!

    put that in your pipe and smoke it!

    btw, my tree is decorated with loofahs and falafel… is yours, biggie?


  70. Shayne Says:

    And let’s have a round of applause for Bigtool once again missing the point. And that is Biggoof that nobody is against anybody celebrating Christmas. Some people would just like other holidays to also be celebrated. But you wouldn’t understand, you never do.


  71. Severus Says:

    #58 so a CORPORATE or MANAGEMENT decision on a banner and a greeting is your basis for saying they were prevented or not allowed to say merry Christmas or whatever is your basis? Wow, do you work for BillO because your logic makes no sense. Also why didn’t your wife quit the Christ hating corporate entity known as Target? Why did and does she continue to support an organization that obviously is at odds with your personal beliefs? It’s not like a job at Target would be hard to replace I mean there is always Wal Mart, K Mart or other large retailers out there.

    #62 obviously you have no clue as to how the constitution or declaration of independence came about. Perhaps it is time for you to re-visit your American history. Besides the establishment clause, where is there a religious reference in the constitution? From my understanding of American history, granted I went to College, a bastion of hateful liberalism, and I read books with reality based factual evidence in them, so I probably have not been educated in a conservative manner like you. Anyways from my understanding of American history the founders, or at least those who contributed heavily to the constitution and declaration where generally influenced by the French philosophers and the rights of man etc… These thoughts may also have religious parallels, but in general they were moving away from religion and religious based interference in government. You might want to read a few Bio’s like Franklins’, Jeffersons’, Hamiltons’, try Jeffersons’ bible and his comments on Christianity, also check out Madisons’ remonstrance…and follow those up with the federalist papers. It will really throw you for a loop. Me? Those readings simply reinforced what I had been taught all my life. You and your Christian Taliban are not what this country is all about regardless of what you might want to think and what you might want others to believe.


  72. joe cantwell Says:

    Very well, thank you.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:48 pm

    no, no i meant “how” as in “how does your conscious let you sleep?” biggie.

    sorry about that.


  73. joe cantwell Says:

    Attention in school? I went to school in Northern Idaho, where they still, at least then, taught the truth about U.S. history. Sorry, LP, but the ‘Progressive” agenda hasn’t touched the heart of this nation. That’s why when it’s brought to light, the “Progressive” agenda loses.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:51 pm

    oh yeah? what part of “northern idaho” may i ask?


  74. RickS Says:

    If the Constitution is based on divine principles, why isn’t God (and I’m assuming the Protestant God here) mentioned in the document as being the source.

    You’d think that if the Founders, if they were true Christians, that they would at least give a shout-out to the God in the Preamble. But no mention of Him anywhere as being the source of our country’s main document.

    It’s kind of like how I had an argument with my mother-in-law about the divine inspiration in the Declaration of Independence. Her point was the two references of “nature’s god” (with ‘god’ in lower case)and “creator”, and how this was proof that the Founders were inspired by God. I said that if they intented to make a reference to God, then why didn’t they just include the word “God”? Were they afraid of offending non-Christians or something. She really couldn’t give me anything resembling a good reply.

    My wife says I can’t debate her mom anymore because of that.


  75. Shayne Says:

    No reference to any holiday of “religious signifigance” was allowed.

    You’d better do a little research before spouting off, LP. Lest you look ignorant.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

    Your wife? Nice anecdotal and incorrect information. The CEO wanted to be politically correct and issued the dictum. It had nothing to do with any orders from anybody outside the corporation, you idiot.


  76. Severus Says:

    Idaho is the heart of the Nation? I thought the midwest was and the north east was the birthplace of the nation. Did I miss something in the history books?


  77. joe cantwell Says:

    Which is exactly what I said, Shayne. Better do YOUR research before spouting off, lest you look like an ass.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:57 pm

    uh, oh… you know biggie’s losing it when he starts to curse.

    btw, what’s wrong with the schools in southern idaho, biggie?


  78. hellinabucket Says:

    From Mr. Bigfoot,

    It’s a government sanctioned holiday commemorating the birth of Christ. I know you “Progressives” hate that, but too bad. Reality Bites, eh?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:55 pm

    Not quite.

    Today, most Americans blend religious and secular customs with their own family traditions. Thus, even though Christmas is for many Americans a religious occasion, the federal courts have upheld its status as a legal holiday. As one court reasoned, “by giving federal employees a paid vacation day on Christmas, the government is doing no more than recognizing the cultural significance of the holiday.”

    http://usinfo.state.gov/ scv/ Archive/ 2005/ Dec/ 19-344398.html


  79. joe cantwell Says:

    Apparently you did. The heart of the nation is where real America lives, regardless of geography. That is why when ‘Progressive” agendas are spotlighted for what they are, they lose.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:58 pm

    well, now that you’ve “spotlighted” it… what’s left for you to say?

    or have you just “spotlighted” yourself?

    biggie, your thoughts?


  80. hellinabucket Says:

    Idaho? Isn’t that where the largest concentration of Neo Nazis are gathered?


  81. Severus Says:

    #90 apparently you don’t get out of idaho much. From where I live, not far from where the extremely linberal Abe Lincoln hails from, Idaho is viiewed as a haven for nut jobs who wish to hide from America and whhat the country really is. Take a month or so and read the stuff I suggested, I guarantee you it will not agree with your viiew of the world.


  82. joe cantwell Says:

    Couldn’t tell you, joe. Never went to school in Southern Idaho.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:01 pm

    you didn’t even give ‘em a look…?


  83. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    O. Bigtool is taking it on the chin again. All the mean progressives are ganging up on poor, Christ-like O. Bigfool.

    Not a good day for O’Biggie.

    Perhaps O. Bigtool should have armed himself with something more than wishful thinking and personal anecdotes. Maybe next time O. Bigfool will know better. Don’t bet on it, but maybe…


  84. LividLib Says:

    Sorry LP, the Constitution is a religiously inspired document, based on divine principles. Until you accept that, you can never be correct in your references to it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:38 pm

    religiously inspired document?!?!
    Yumpin yimminy!
    That statement alone proves you don’t have a freaking clue what you’re talking about!

    Home schooled in northern idaho, i presume.


  85. Shayne Says:

    I don’t have to worry about looking like an ass Bigtool. You’ve got that job all sewed up. And like the ass you show you believe that progressives don’t celebrate Christmas. How out of touch with reality can one idiot be? I suspect you will show us.


  86. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    O. Bigmouth shows poor reading comprehension, which may explain his poor reasoning ability.

    Still not a good day for O’Biggie.


  87. Daryll Says:

    It does my heart good to know that we still have people (Bill O’Reilly) who will not allow Secular-Progressive groups like the ACLU to remove Jesus from our society. This is the reason why my wife and I our traveling to Rio De Janeiro in three weeks. We must inform the Cariocas what thus saith the Lord. I do not believe in Christmas because it is a pagan holiday, but I do thank God everyday for people like Bill O’Reilly, who refuse to be silent and allow God’s name to be removed from society.


  88. curmudgeon Says:

    So when will O’Leilly begin labeling the earliest immigrants to the United States as traitors to their home countries? For many, it seems that they came here to escape from the ravages that ensue when church and state are indistinguishable.

    Ft. Collins, huh? One more place I don’t have to worry about including in my future travel plans.

    I’m sure it will now be so overrun with Reich Wing christofascists that it would be impossible to find a parking space there anyway.

    “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. ” — Blaise Pascal

    “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.” — Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

    “What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny: in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty, may have found an established Clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just Government instituted to secure & perpetuate it needs them not.” — James Madison


  89. Lefty Patriot Says:

    That’s why when it’s brought to light, the “Progressive” agenda loses.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 3:51 pm

    the progressive agenda always wins in a free America, from the very founding of the country, a liberal democracy, dedicated to human rights, the opposite of the conservative agenda. the Progressive agenda has won for over 200 years, making this the most widely-admired country on the planet, until the conservative liars stole elections and destroyed the credibility of the USA. You revel in being totally wrong, bigfoot, but it is the only thing you’re any good at.


  90. Severus Says:

    So bigfoot why don’t you cite your evidence as to why you believe the constitution is a religiously inspired documennt? Use the words of the founders, heck the federalist papers, the only legit document on the thought process for writing the constitution, should be your starting and finishing point. Let me know what I missed from Mr Jay, Mr Hamilton and Mr Madison when they wrote their essays.


  91. joe cantwell Says:

    Comment by joe cantwell — November 28, 2007 @ 3:52 pm”

    No need to apologize. And again, very well, thank you.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:04 pm

    biggie if only you had gone to school in southern idaho, then you’d understand the true philosophical nature of the question.

    consider the loofah biggie, consider the loofah.


  92. joe cantwell Says:

    Actually, personal experience is a far better teacher than mere theory tought by someone who’s never done anything remotely close to what they are attempting to teach about.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

    when did you think of that one? while you were watching tv?


  93. Severus Says:

    #108 your own conjecture and twisting of the facts to fit your preconcieved notions is worse that what you are claiming others to be doing. Just because you don’t like the facts does not make them and less facty. Just because you can’t handle to truth does not make it any less truthy. and just because reality is liberally biased it dooes not mean reality is not real. Denial of the world around you will not make the world around you go away.


  94. bitblt Says:

    Comment by RickS — November 28, 2007 @ 3:54 pm

    There are three allusions to Christianity in the Constitution of the U.S.

    The first allusion is the first amendment itself.

    Writings of those who worked on the amendment and of those who were closer to the time of the writing make it clear that the amendment is there so that there would not be a denominational test – choosing one Christian denomination over another - for public office. Nothing about this amendment suggests that the intent is to place any other belief system on par with Christianity or that God is to be removed from the public square. At the time of the writing many of the states had “state religions.”

    The second allusion is the number of days allowed to accomplish certain business of the government. Sunday is not counted as a business day. Sunday is the day of worship for Christians.

    The third allusion is the dating of the document. The phrase “In the year of our Lord…” is used. I assume A.D. was available to the authors.


  95. Shayne Says:

    So bigfoot why don’t you cite your evidence as to why you believe the constitution is a religiously inspired documennt? Use the words of the founders, heck the federalist papers, the only legit document on the thought process for writing the constitution, should be your starting and finishing point. Let me know what I missed from Mr Jay, Mr Hamilton and Mr Madison when they wrote their essays.

    Comment by Severus — November 28, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

    Everything Bigtool knows he learned from his wife, the former Target employee who has now worked her way up to working at Sears. Impressive, yes, but they didn’t teach her about the federalist papers during orientation.


  96. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Comment by Daryll — November 28, 2007 @ 4:06 pm

    We’ll remove anything we desire because we are the MAJORITY!


  97. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Daryll, before ypou get too wrapped in your “ACLU hates God” rant, you might want to peruse this list of cases in which the ACLU DEFENDED religious groups whose freedoms were under attack.

    Then try to reconcile it with your twisted view of what the ACLU actually does.

    Thanks.


  98. Dr. Matt Says:

    Sorry, LP, you’re wrong again. My wife worked at Target and they were given “Happy Holiday” banners to put up, and were directed to utter nothing but “Happy Holidays” during the Christmas season. No reference to any holiday of “religious signifigance” was allowed.

    You’d better do a little research before spouting off, LP. Lest you look ignorant.
    Comment by O. Bigfool — November 28, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

    Are you saying taking your perverse and habitual lies at face value is now qualified as “research”? ROFL.


  99. Shayne Says:

    Actually, personal experience is a far better teacher than mere theory tought by someone who’s never done anything remotely close to what they are attempting to teach about.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

    when did you think of that one? while you were watching tv?

    Comment by joe cantwell — November 28, 2007 @ 4:10 pm

    Yes, Biggie gets all his life lessons from “Dancing With the Stars”. The commercials are what inspire he and his wife to look for new jobs. Next stop J. C. Penney.


  100. Dr. Matt Says:

    However, it is the “Progressive” agenda to ban any mention of “Christ” from the public square,
    Comment by O. Bigfool

    Please provide proof that this is the “progressive agenda”.

    We are waiting…..


  101. LividLib Says:

    Daryll,

    Have you and your wife considered taking your traveling show to papua/new guinea? i understand some of indigenous folk there have a fondness for missionaries such as yourself, if you know what i mean.


  102. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Actually, personal experience is a far better teacher than mere theory tought by someone who’s never done anything remotely close to what they are attempting to teach about.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

    Actually, O. Bigtool, I didn’t say “personal experience” I said “personal ANECDOTE.” And since what you reported was experienced not by you but by your wife, it is not your personal experience you are drawing on.

    And why did you choose to contrast “personal experience” (which didn’t exist in this case anyway) with ” mere theory tought by someone who’s never done anything remotely close to what they are attempting to teach about”? Seems like a textbook case of A Strawman argument.

    STILL not a good day for O’Biggie.


  103. Dr. Matt Says:

    Actually, personal experience is a far better teacher than mere theory tought by someone who’s never done anything remotely close to what they are attempting to teach about.

    Comment by O. Bigfool — November 28, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

    Is that your justification and apology for reich-wingers advocating for war and keeping our troops in harms way….since reich-wingers are too cowardly to wear a uniform?


  104. Leftside Annie Says:

    Oh dear! I put colored Christmas lights up in my window and a wreath on my door…does that mean that Billo & Bigfoot have won??????

    OOOOOOOOH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    They’re gonna take away my SP card!


  105. Shayne Says:

    However, it is the “Progressive” agenda to ban any mention of “Christ” from the public square, something Traditional Americans oppose at every opportunity. Thus, this year, you will be seeing, and hearing, a lot more “Merry Christmas” than last year.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:13 pm

    Uh, no it isn’t, Biggoof. It is Bill O’Reilly’s agenta to make you 24 percenters think so though. And you, like a lamb to slaughter follow him willingly. And tradition Americans are those 76% who think you, O’Reilly and of course duhduhduhDaryll are a bunch of idiots.


  106. Dr. Matt Says:

    “Sorry LP, the Constitution is a religiously inspired document, based on divine principles. Until you accept that, you can never be correct in your references to it.
    Comment by O. Bigfool — November 28, 2007 @ 3:38 pm

    So why wasn’t Christ mentioned? Why was a particular faith mentioned? Why wasn’t the Church included as the head of state? What was the U.S. mentioned as being a country of faith, religion, or a Christian nation?

    Oops….you have been shot down….once again.


  107. joe cantwell Says:

    As Glenn Beck would say: “I may not be a religious scholar, but I’m a thinker!”

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:14 pm

    who’s glenn beck? one of your teachers from northern idaho?


  108. Dr. Matt Says:

    You are obviously the product of a secular education. Sad.
    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:19 pm

    There is no such thing as a conservative education…..so, yes, he is a product a secular education….an education based on facts and truth.


  109. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Comment by Shayne — November 28, 2007 @ 4:16 pm

    I like your style!


  110. Squeaky Wheels Says:

    O. Bigfoot:
    “However, the Christ of “Christmas” is the reason for the season.”

    No, that’s a lie. The late December holiday season has been celebrated in the West since Pagan times. Most of our holiday traditions come from Saturnalia and Yule. The early Christian settlers in America understood the Pagan origins of “Christmas” and outlawed the holiday.

    Conservatives always suffer from sudden hearing loss when you point out these historical facts.


  111. joe cantwell Says:

    STILL not a good day for O’Biggie.

    Comment by ralph the wonder llama — November 28, 2007 @ 4:18 pm

    let’s give him cred… he can do this and operate a fleet of delivery trucks all at the same time!

    unless he’s living of the old lady’s salary from targetthink?


  112. Shayne Says:

    As Glenn Beck would say: “I may not be a religious scholar, but I’m a thinker!”

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:14 pm

    Quoting Glenn Beck, priceless! I must go catch my breath. All this laughing is killing me.


  113. LividLib Says:

    You are obviously the product of a secular education. Sad.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:19 pm

    attended catholic schools grade K-7.
    then i saw the light.


  114. Shayne Says:

    Oh look. Hillbilly is taking a stab at humor. Why don’t you try just stabbing yourself Hillbilly. You could probably be successful at something then and you’d make all of us happy. Thanks then.


  115. joe cantwell Says:

    “who’s glenn beck? one of your teachers from northern idaho?

    Comment by joe cantwell — November 28, 2007 @ 4:21 pm”

    Sure, why not?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:24 pm

    did he teach you how to run a fleet of delivery trucks? ’cause he sounds like a guy who teaches folks how to run a fleet of delivery trucks.


  116. Squeaky Wheels Says:

    “However, it is the “Progressive” agenda to ban any mention of “Christ” from the public square, something Traditional Americans oppose at every opportunity.”

    No one is trying to ban Christ from being mentioned in the public square. The public square is an appropriate forum for religious expression because people are free to come and go and ignore what is said there. But people are not free to ignore the government, so the goverbnment must be neutral on religious matters, in other words, secular.

    You can express your religion IN the public square, but not WITH the public square.


  117. Shayne Says:

    Actually, I already am CEO of my own business, Shayne, I don’t need to run anyone else’s outfit.

    And what kind of work do you do?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:22 pm

    Actually I own an automobile business with my husband. What kind of business do you own?


  118. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Comment by Shayne — November 28, 2007 @ 4:26 pm

    I now have no choice but to flag you.


  119. Shayne Says:

    Conservatives always suffer from sudden hearing loss when you point out these historical facts.

    Comment by Squeaky Wheels — November 28, 2007 @ 4:23 pm

    That’s because they’re trying to stop their heads from assploding.


  120. dbadass Says:

    This silly nonissue cracks me up everytime. Can we expand this to the War on Easter what with the fertility bunny and eggs and all. I would also like to see more discussion of the War on Thanksgiving, the War on Arbor Day, and the War on Valentine’s Day. I can’t get enough of this good stuff


  121. Shayne Says:

    unless he’s living of the old lady’s salary from target… think?

    Comment by joe cantwell — November 28, 2007 @ 4:23 pm

    Yeah he can probably live off the wife’s retailers’ salary. He clearly doesn’t waste money on anything like books or newspapers or magazines. Every thing he know he learned on Fox News and from Glenn Beck, oh that just slays me.


  122. joe cantwell Says:

    Modern Christianity merely celebrates the holiday by giving it it’s own meaning, of which our Government was fully aware when it sanctioned the holiday.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:28 pm

    what’s wrong with old fashion christianity might i ask?

    and is your wife working late again tonight at the target?

    and how long are you going to go on falling for that one?

    eh?


  123. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Comment by Shayne — November 28, 2007 @ 4:31 pm

    Given the “stabbing” comment, I’d hate to be your husband.


  124. shoeless Says:

    “Your wife? Nice anecdotal and incorrect information. The CEO wanted to be politically correct and issued the dictum. It had nothing to do with any orders from anybody outside the corporation, you idiot.

    Comment by Shayne — November 28, 2007 @ 3:54 pm”

    Which is exactly what I said, Shayne. Better do YOUR research before spouting off, lest you look like an ass.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    WHAT?!?!? So you are now telling me that it was TARGET who stopped TARGET from putting up the Merry Christmas banner?!?! How dare they prevent themselves from erecting religious icons on their own private property!!!! We will have to keep a close eye on Target. In the future, if they once again try to exert their free will to say “Happy Holidays”, or some other such blaspheme on their own private property, we will indeed make those heathens a TARGET on the War on Christmas!


  125. Shayne Says:

    Modern Christianity merely celebrates the holiday by giving it it’s own meaning, of which our Government was fully aware when it sanctioned the holiday.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:28 pm

    And then Bigtuna shows us the true meaning of Republicanism. When you’re proven wrong and lose the game you move the goalposts. Typical Bigturd, typical.


  126. joe cantwell Says:

    I don’t know…

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:32 pm

    don’t know what biggie?… you sound worried.


  127. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Comment by Shayne — November 28, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

    Stay on the topic. You’re currently not looking any better than the usual troll.


  128. Lt. Progressive Says:

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:38 pm

    Beats the greasy, overpriced mechanic shop.


  129. Shayne Says:

    Given the “stabbing” comment, I’d hate to be your husband.

    Comment by Lt. Progressive — November 28, 2007 @ 4:35 pm

    I wouldn’t be married to Billy Hill or anybody like him so it wouldn’t be a problem. My husband has a sense of humor and he knows how to use it. Hillbilly, sadly, does not.


  130. LividLib Says:

    “Shoulda’ stuck with the Catholics, Livid.”

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

    yeah and i could’ve been a misinformed 24%er just like you!


  131. joe cantwell Says:

    Home delivery meats. Steaks, chicken, pork, and seafood mostly. Veggies sometimes, and other foodstuffs that my customer base enjoys. Needless to say, I don’t have any vegetarians on my route..unless they are cheating.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:38 pm

    how do you balance that with the unpaid career you have online here?

    oh that’s right. your wife has a job.


  132. pete Says:

    Wow! Nothing like a story on BillO to bring out the trolls. One would think that he could defend himself, if his position were defensible.

    Methinks they dost protest too much.


  133. republicans hate facts Says:

    Home delivery meats. Steaks, chicken, pork, and seafood mostly. Veggies sometimes, and other foodstuffs that my customer base enjoys. Needless to say, I don’t have any vegetarians on my route..unless they are cheating.
    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:38 pm

    A meat eating vegetarian is like a moral republican - it’s an oxymoron. You guys are natural born liars, cheats and thieves.


  134. dbadass Says:

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:38 pm

    I trust you are only carrying only seafoods which can be certified as coming from sustainable fisheries and none of those ridiculous farmed shrimp?


  135. RickS Says:

    “There are three allusions to Christianity in the Constitution of the U.S.”

    Are these due to divine inspiration, or due to just following a 1000 year old culture? Kind of like how Christmas is viewed today, not so much a holiday as it is a day off from work?

    My main question (if I didn’t state it accurately, I apologize) is whether or not our Founding Fathers intended this nation to be a Christian nation, or a nation that, while having certain aspects of Christian culture (Sundays off, using Anno Domini), was to be secular.


  136. Shayne Says:

    “Happy Holidays”, or some other such blaspheme on their own private property, we will indeed make those heathens a TARGET on the War on Christmas!

    Comment by shoeless — November 28, 2007 @ 4:35 pm

    Oh goody, now that Billo has won the war on Christmas he can fight the war on last year’s Christmas at Target until something new comes along. Like the war on St. Valentine or the war on bubbles on New Year’s Eve. I hate to see talent like Bighoot’s and Hillbilly’s go to waste.


  137. Shayne Says:

    Home delivery meats. Steaks, chicken, pork, and seafood mostly. Veggies sometimes, and other foodstuffs that my customer base enjoys. Needless to say, I don’t have any vegetarians on my route..unless they are cheating.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:38 pm

    The difference between us is that we supply healthcare and pensions to our employees so I don’t have to go suck off a retailer for my self employed husband. That’s the progressive way.


  138. joe cantwell Says:

    biggie?

    biggie?

    hmmm, maybe he really did own a fleet of meat and seafood delivery trucks (in nw new mexico). maybe he really did work for a living.


  139. Shayne Says:

    Beats the greasy, overpriced mechanic shop.

    Comment by Lt. Progressive — November 28, 2007 @ 4:39 pm

    Oooh that cut me to the bone. Next time your car breaks down, call your butcher.


  140. republicans hate facts Says:

    Balance what? My customers don’t usually aren’t home until after 4-5 PM, or on the weekends. I’ve been trying to get my wife involved in the business since before she was my wife, but she says she doesn’t have the personality for it, and would rather work in retail support, away from the public. Oh well. Not everyone can be as outgoing, I guess. Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:46 pm

    You picking a woman with an anti-social personality - who would have guessed? Does she have a ‘nice-personality’, or is she just FAT like you are, O. Bigbutt?


  141. Shayne Says:

    I trust you are only carrying only seafoods which can be certified as coming from sustainable fisheries and none of those ridiculous farmed shrimp?

    Comment by dbadass — November 28, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    Now db you’re talking to the Biggoof here. All his meats are imported from China. Profit is all that matters to a neocon like Biggie isn’t that right Biggie?


  142. joe cantwell Says:

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:46 pm

    you’re back!

    how many customers do you have… two?

    are you finished for the day?

    has your wife called you from work yet?

    are you watching “hoosiers” on the movie channel right now?


  143. Shayne Says:

    but she says she doesn’t have the personality for it, and would rather work in retail support, away from the public. Oh well. Not everyone can be as outgoing, I guess.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:46 pm

    What Biggie’s trying to say is that she stocks shelves because she can’t work with the public. Don’t sugar coat it Biggie we can handle the truth.


  144. Big Dan Says:

    I want to start a war on Christmas! Where do I sign up?


  145. curmudgeon Says:

    Re: Comment #114 — “…Nothing about this amendment suggests that the intent is to place any other belief system on par with Christianity or that God is to be removed from the public square. At the time of the writing many of the states had “state religions.”…

    Benjamin Franklin did not appear to be a huge fan of Christianity. About the topic, he was quoted as follows:

    “If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both there (England) and in New England.”

    It certainly would seem that John Adams, our second president, was not a major promoter of Christianity. Please consider the following quote:

    “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved–the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!” — John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson

    And are you sure that Thomas Jefferson supported Christianity:

    “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.”

    Twenty gods or no god? Which Christian denomination provides such a degree of latitude?

    Do you suppose that Christianity as practiced in Salem, MA (circa 1619) might what the Founding Fathers had mind–or not?

    Anyone who pays taxes in this country is already supporting (financially, at least) Christian denominations in this country. The U. S. government collects taxes from most of us (except the very rich) and then hands it over to the “right” Christian denominations as part of the program for faith-based initiatives. Whether we like it or not, we have no choice (short of voting the scoundrels out of office) as to whether we will place our hard-earned money in the offering plate, which plate we will place it in, or how much we will be required to donate.

    In fact, how many of you have received a notice from the I. R. S., enumerating for you how much of your tax bill went to church-based organizations? At the very least, you should be able to deduct it as a charitable contribution.

    We should also receive an accounting of how well their program worked in repairing the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina.


  146. republicans hate facts Says:

    Hmm..pretty mean spirited talk there Shayne. You know nothing of our situation yet you claim to.
    She gets her insurance from Sears, I get mine independently. She’s changed jobs several times since I started this biz over 5 years ago, which was before we were married anyways.
    When I started this biz I was a single dad, who’s cheatin’ ex-wife decided to have an affair with her boss and then run off to Florida leaving the kids with me, which is fine by me as well. I got the best part of the former relationship, and she got to be homeless until she found some other guy to sponge off of. Instant Karma, I suppose.
    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:53 pm

    With an ***hole husband like you, it’s hard to imagine why any woman would cheat and leave you! A homeless woman, sounds like that meth habit you shared with her got too expensive…


  147. Squeaky Wheels Says:

    “Modern Christianity has adopted the religious meaning of Christmas as it’s own”

    That doesn’t make sense. What is the “religious meaning” of Christmas that “modern” Christianity had to adopt? Christmas is “Christ Mass”, a church service. The church chose to observe the Christ Mass during the ongoing and very popular winter solstice holiday season. It’s a case of mutual accomodation.

    But most of our holiday customs were invented by the pagans to brighten up the longest nights of the year. Therefore, that’s the TRUE meaning of Christmas.

    And it’s a federa holiday merely because most people want to take off work that day. No further rationalization is needed. You wouldn’t want the government to respect the establishment of relgion, would you?


  148. LividLib Says:

    When I started this biz I was a single dad, who’s cheatin’ ex-wife decided to have an affair with her boss and then run off to Florida leaving the kids with me, which is fine by me as well. I got the best part of the former relationship, and she got to be homeless until she found some other guy to sponge off of. Instant Karma, I suppose.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:53 pm

    That sucks.
    Well, on that note, good night and Happy Holidays all!


  149. pete Says:

    I think that BillO should be recognized for his unflagging support of pagan tradition. He’s the most visible tree-worshiper we’ve got.


  150. joe cantwell Says:

    When I started this biz I was a single dad, who’s cheatin’ ex-wife decided…

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:53 pm

    biggie, stay away from them there “cheatin’ wives”, ya hear?


  151. republicans hate facts Says:

    If she wants to stock shelves too, that’s fine by me.
    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

    Yeah, I can’t imagine why she’d want to work late, and avoid you, except the stockboy maybe…


  152. ForTruth Says:

    Wow Bigfoot believes in Karma.

    What needs of the ex-wife was Bigfoot not meeting?


  153. joe cantwell Says:

    If she wants to stock shelves too, that’s fine by me.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

    yeah. long as she ain’t stocking another man’s shelf, right?


  154. bitblt Says:

    My main question (if I didn’t state it accurately, I apologize) is whether or not our Founding Fathers intended this nation to be a Christian nation, or a nation that, while having certain aspects of Christian culture (Sundays off, using Anno Domini), was to be secular.

    Comment by RickS — November 28, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    The following article at

    quotes John Adams

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    After serving two terms as vice-president alongside President George Washington, on October 11, 1798, the second president of these United States, John Adams, delivered a speech to military officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts: “[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion…. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other” (1854, 9:229). When Christian religion and morality no longer characterize the people and are therefore excluded from the political process, we can fully expect the nation, in time, to collapse.
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    My thought on your question: I believe the founders intended the United States to be a nation for a Christian people. Thus, the influence of Christianity and the Bible in our nation… we would not be the nation we are without that influence. We will not continue to be the nation we want to be without the influence of Christianity and the Bible.

    Paraphrasing Judge Moore here our rights are unalienable because they were given by God. If these rights are given by men, then men can, and will, take them away.

    These are my opinions.


  155. republicans hate facts Says:

    When I started this biz I was a single dad, who’s cheatin’ ex-wife decided…
    Comment by O. Bigfoot — November 28, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
    biggie, stay away from them there “cheatin’ wives”, ya hear?
    Comment by joe cantwell — November 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

    Poor Bigmouth doesn’t realize that a cheatin’ ex-wife is a direct reflection on his poor judgment and bad judge of character that’s HIS PROBLEM… Poor stupid little ‘tard.


  156. joe cantwell Says: