ThinkFast: November 28, 2007
ThinkFast: November 28, 2007
Despite increased public optimism due to the recent downturn in violence in Iraq, a new Pew Research poll finds that President Bush “remains as unpopular as ever” and “the public remains just as committed to bringing U.S. troops home.”
Al Hubbard, the chairman of President Bush’s National Economic Council, is submitting his resignation today. He departs at a time when the White House is struggling “with a mortgage crisis that has sparked foreclosures, declining home prices and concern about prospects for recession.”
Congressional Democrats will focus on the economy next week in an effort to address public fears about an approaching recession. “House leaders have discussed holding an economic summit and are poised to bring a long-awaited energy bill to the House floor next week.”
Following “a lobbying blitzkrieg,” the Federal Communications Commission handed “a significant, though not total, victory” to the cable industry yesterday with a compromise that will postpone for months the question of expanding “the agency’s regulatory authority over” the industry.
In a new report, the United Nations warns that “progress toward prosperity” will be reversed in the world’s poorest regions unless rich countries begin “curbing emissions linked to global warming” while also helping poorer ones transition to renewable energy sources.
“Some of the Army’s best captains are getting out of the war in Iraq. They are tired of long deployments and the strain on their families. But in hopes of getting captains to re-enlist for another three years, the military is offering a $35,000 bonus.”
“The Department of Veterans Affairs fell farther behind this year in its attempts to give veterans timely decisions on their disability claims, new records show.” Furthermore, “the VA put a positive spin on many of its numbers, and in two instances provided Congress with incorrect or incomplete figures,” according to McClatchy.
A Saudi court has agreed to review the case of a girl who was sentenced to jail time and flogging “after being gang raped by seven men.” The Saudi Justice Ministry had earlier accused her of being an “adulteress who invited the attack.” The victim explained what happened to ABC News.
“Federal wildlife regulators will revise seven controversial decisions on endangered species” made by President Bush’s controversial Interior Department appointee Julie MacDonald, who quit after criticisms that she “routinely questioned and sometimes overruled recommendations by biologists and other field staffers.”
And finally: With the resignation of Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS), Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) is the last member “left standing” in the Singing Senators barbershop quartet, which previously included Sens. Jim Jeffords (I-VT) and John Ashcroft (R-MO). The Washington Post’s Al Kamen writes, “It’s the biggest musical breakup since the legendary Ben E. King left the Drifters.”
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So Hubbard is “frustrated” that the Democrats in Congress won’t rubberstamp Bush’s economic policy initiatives?
Well, that just about makes my week because you’ve got to know that if Bush wants something for the economy, it’ll be something for his wealthy, well connected, corporate friends.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:09 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
All the lib posturing about the Iraq war being the pivotal issue seems to have melted away, wah hoppen?
November 28th, 2007 at 9:12 amWith the resignation of Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS), Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) is the last member “left standing†in the Singing Senators barbershop quartet…
I thought Senator Craig was usually found sitting.
And tapping.
And waving toilet paper under stall walls.
I didn’t know he sang, as well.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:15 amAnd the bit about “legislative gridlock”?
I prefer that to the out of control spending, no oversight, rubberstamping Congress of pre-Nov. ‘06.
Authorization to go to war over trumped up intel?
Tax cuts for the rich and keep on borrowing money from China?
Lax regulatory oversight?
“Clean” skies?
“Healthy” Forests?
Gonzo?
No Kyoto treaty?
Giant tax refunds for the oil industry?
Wiretapping?
Gitmo?
Habeas corpus?
Yeah, that BS has gotten old. I’m *glad* we have gridlock, because no gridlock hasn’t worked out too well for us.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:19 am#4…That explains everything–Larry Craig is the “Ringo” of that particular Fab Four. the Sitting, the tapping toes, the wide stance…it all makes perfect sense now. Give the drummer some!
November 28th, 2007 at 9:22 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
All the lib posturing about the Iraq war being the pivotal issue seems to have melted away, wah hoppen?
Comment by JFKerry – President — November 28, 2007 @ 9:12 am
Please stop using the name of a three time purple heart recipient, you disgusting troll. Choose one of your draft dodging heroes names if you need some sad avatar, Limbaugh, DeLay, Giulianni, Cheney there are so many from which to choose it’s almost endless.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:24 amDespite increased public optimism due to the recent downturn in violence in Iraq, a new Pew Research poll finds that President Bush “remains as unpopular as ever†and “the public remains just as committed to bringing U.S. troops home.â€
The Sheepole have awakened and no matter how hard they try to propagandize us, we are not going back to sleep. Fool me once…..
November 28th, 2007 at 9:25 amAll the lib posturing about the Iraq war being the pivotal issue seems to have melted away, wah hoppen?
Comment by JFKerry – President — November 28, 2007 @ 9:12 am
The media stopped covering Iraq after the Petraeus Report.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:26 amHalp me Jon Karry I is still stuk in Irak whether U beleve me in danjer or not.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:27 amDespite increased public optimism due to the recent downturn in violence in Iraq
Increased public optimism ??? WTF ?
The paragraphs below are from this
“The grimness of the results surprised me,†said Tom Rosenstiel, director of the project. “It shows how difficult and extraordinarily dangerous telling this story is.â€
One wrote of routinely sitting away from windows to avoid shards of glass from an explosion, and “scanning every car on the street for low rides (too much weight) and weapons,†adding, “It’s amazingly scary.â€
Of the respondents, 69 percent said that most or all of Baghdad was too dangerous to visit; only 6 percent said that less than half of Baghdad was too dangerous.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:27 amBush’s unpopularity isn’t just due to the illegal attack on Iraq. It’s a whole host of criminal activities not the least of which is illegally spying on american citizens. I don’t think anyone who is of sound mind can find anything this man has done for the good of the people. He’s trashed our constitution in the name of security yet leaves our borders agape. There’s no respect left for him at this point. He’s an abominable president, a liar, a fraud, and a law breaker.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:27 amFollowing “a lobbying blitzkrieg,†the Federal Communications Commission handed “a significant, though not total, victory†to the cable industry yesterday with a compromise that will postpone for months the question of expanding “the agency’s regulatory authority over†the industry.
Every time I read something like this I flash back to my Green friend, who voted for Nader, giving me the lecture on “there’s no difference between Al Gore and George Bush”. Even that friend has admitted the error of her ways. Some Greenies still persist in that belief, but most realize how much damage George Bush has inflicted on this country and long for the rightfully elected President to be living in the White House.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:28 amI’m not a Chavez fan at all or do I consider myself to be of a religious sort but I believe that Hugo nailed Bush and his legacy right on the money – diablo.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:29 amAll the lib posturing about the Iraq war being the pivotal issue seems to have melted away, wah hoppen?
Comment by JFKerry
I looks like the moniker “John Kerry” got banned, so he’s back with a new one. Hey TP, get rid of this one too. He’s worthless.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:29 amComment by Blue Stater — November 28, 2007 @ 9:24 am
You are right, I should have used a draft-dodgers name, perhaps “Bill Clinton” would have been more appropriate.
Let me contact avatars’Rus.com and see if they might let me change, even though in compulingo an avatar refers to an image rather than a screen name.
You’re confused, I understand, it will be ok. Get back to your mop.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:30 amDespite increased public optimism due to the recent downturn in violence in Iraq, a new Pew Research poll finds that President Bush “remains as unpopular as ever†and “the public remains just as committed to bringing U.S. troops home.â€
The surge was never about actually doing something. It was all about changing Bush (and his war)’s polling numbers here at home. The war’s numbers have moved upward, but the surge is over; it will be back to the same status quo shortly.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:34 amReport: VA’s performance on benefits slips or is unchanged
By Chris Adams | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — The Department of Veterans Affairs fell farther behind this year in its attempts to give veterans timely decisions on their disability claims, new records show.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/22191.html
November 28th, 2007 at 9:35 ambilbo, I think it’s maybe too early for me.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:36 amI’m not understanding your post on the FCC.
In your analogy, Nader (pro-regulation) is the FCC and Gore is Cable TV?
If so, I agree. I don’t think the govt should have any say in cable. It’s subscription-only. Although I do wish you could pick and choose what channels you subscribe to.
bilbobaggins:
I love your posts, you’re insightful and funny, but I have to take issue with your Ralph Nader post.
Ralph Nader is one of the least culpable men in regards to the Bush presidency of anyone in politics.
If Bush wasn’t such a notorious liar.
The SC decision over the Florida vote. (Thanks O’Conner!)
If Gore had run a better campaign. (Stood on his record as an environmentalist, gone on the attack with the “invented the internet” lie, campaigned with Clinton…)
Ohio was flat out stolen in ‘04.
Morons who prefer the candidate they could have a beer with to someone competent. (There are millions upon millions of those jerks.)
Anyway, sorry, but the mess we’re in right now has very little to do with Nader and lots to do with the way the system is rigged.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:36 amU.S. military kills civilians in Iraq, apologizes
By Leila Fadel | McClatchy Newspapers
BAGHDAD — For the second day in a row, U.S. soldiers on Tuesday killed Iraqi civilians when they fired on a vehicle that they thought was a threat, the U.S. military said.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/22207.html
November 28th, 2007 at 9:37 amThe war’s numbers have moved upward, but the surge is over; it will be back to the same status quo shortly.
Of course it will, because any good liberoon knows that the Iraqis can’t possibly do anything right on their own. A nation of victims-just how the dems like things to be.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:38 amDemocrats’ health plans echo Nixon’s failed GOP proposal
By Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — Even before Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton unveiled her new health-care plan, Republicans attacked it as socialized medicine. They neglected to mention, however, that her plan bears a striking resemblance to changes that were proposed in 1974 — by the late President Richard M. Nixon.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/22163.html
November 28th, 2007 at 9:38 am“Let me contact avatars’Rus.com and see if they might let me change, even though in compulingo an avatar refers to an image rather than a screen name.”
A prime example of why Fox’s comedy show was yanked: conservatives just don’t know how to tell (or construct) a joke. Look at P’s pathetic attempt. There isn’t any set-up, and he has to explain the punch-line.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:40 amIf you folks don’t read McClatchy news, you should. They appear to be the only independent newspaper chain left in this country.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/
They have a comments system, but it doesn’t seem to have caught on.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:40 amBAGHDAD — For the second day in a row, U.S. soldiers on Tuesday killed Iraqi civilians when they fired on a vehicle that they thought was a threat, the U.S. military said.
A vehicle that tried to work its way past a roadblock, and of course the troops knew without a doubt there was absolutely no hostile intent. Tarnation, you libs are dumb.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:41 am“The Department of Veterans Affairs fell farther behind this year in its attempts to give veterans timely decisions on their disability claims, new records show.â€
Support Our Troops is just another slogan to Repukes. Soldiers are waiting 2+ years for a disability rating, only to be told they’re ineligible, they screwed up the paper work, we’re too busy right now, appeal our decision, ad nauseum.
Is this a case of right wing ‘let them die over there, so we don’t have to take care of them here’?
IMHO, the VA is practicing treason right in front of our eyes.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:42 amI love McClatchy. Thanks for the link.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:43 amOf course it will, because any good liberoon knows that the Iraqis can’t possibly do anything right on their own. A nation of victims-just how the dems like things to be.
Comment by Age of Rifles
Talk about projection…Our new resident loon doesn’t get it that it is the Republiscums who think that the Iraqi’s can’t do anything right on their own. Otherwise, why we still occupying their country and dictating to their government what they can and cannot do?
Irony and hypocrisy are two words that the Republiscums can’t wrap their pea brains around.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:43 amThey neglected to mention, however, that her plan bears a striking resemblance to changes that were proposed in 1974 — by the late President Richard M. Nixon.
Huh, a soon to be failed presidential candidate compared to a disgraced former president. Good job.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:43 am“A nation of victims-just how the dems like things to be.”
Comment by Age of Rifles
Gee, P, who armed Saddam? You guys.
And “liberoon?” This is supposed to be funny?
Sad attempt.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:44 amJust how old is Al Kamen if his frame of reference for “biggest musical breakup” is “Ben E King left the Drifters”? (Incidentally, the post-King Drifters went on to have 3 of their biggest all-time classics–”Up on the Roof”, “On Broadway” and “Under the Boardwalk”. King was lead vocalist on the group’s two biggest hits, but the group did survive his leaving.) Wouldn’t Diana Ross’s leaving the Supremes be just a bit of a bigger breakup? Or perhaps the breakup of Simon and Garfunkel? Or Led Zeppelin? Or maybe that group from England? What was the name? There were four guys in the group and they had scores of hits in the 1960s. Oh, what was that name? Um, the Poodles? The Battles? No, the Beatles! Since I had such a hard time remembering, I can’t see how Kamen could have possibly remembered that monumentally insignificant musical breakup.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:44 amGive me a P!
On second thought, you take ‘it’, it’s of no use here.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:46 amOtherwise, why we still occupying their country and dictating to their government what they can and cannot do?
Stop staring at that shiny penny and concentrate.
Writing-off the Iraqis and the U.S. military is what you do best so try to stay on tack; veering away like a frothing baboon may attract liberal women but it won’t gain you any points in the real world.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:46 amOf course it will, because any good liberoon knows that the Iraqis can’t possibly do anything right on their own. A nation of victims-just how the dems like things to be.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 9:38 am
A vehicle that tried to work its way past a roadblock, and of course the troops knew without a doubt there was absolutely no hostile intent. Tarnation, you libs are dumb. November 28, 2007 @ 9:43 am
That’s got to be some sort of record. He contradicted himself in five minutes!
So which are they, P? Brave but battered victims, that just need a hand up, or suicide bombers?
If you can’t tell the difference, how do you expect to convince them that you’re not going to just kill them next, on some pretext?
Comment by Age of Rifles
November 28th, 2007 at 9:50 amA vehicle that tried to work its way past a roadblock, and of course the troops knew without a doubt there was absolutely no hostile intent. Tarnation, you libs are dumb.
Comment by Age of Rifles
There is nothing in that linked post that said the vehicle “tried to work it’s way past a roadblock”. Another Republiscum lying loon troll.
This was a bus full of people being taken home from work. Does the US military really think that a bus full of people would have “hostile intent”. Did they think that someone was going to blow up the bus when they got near the US roadblock killing all the people in the bus along with anyone nearby.
The US military seems to be adopting Bush’s private military’s credo, “shoot first and ask questions later”.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:51 amRalph Nader is one of the least culpable men in regards to the Bush presidency of anyone in politics.
If Bush wasn’t such a notorious liar.
The SC decision over the Florida vote. (Thanks O’Conner!)
All those factors were part of why Bush is President. But if all the people in Florida who voted for Nader had voted for Gore, there would have been no need for the recount.
But, the real intent of my post was to point out that Nader’s credo “there is no difference between the candidates” was ludicrous.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:53 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
Clinton wins a brand new Streisand endorsement. Wow! Barfly and others swoon in ecstasy.
What’s up, Yentl?
November 28th, 2007 at 9:55 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
All the lib posturing about the Iraq war being the pivotal issue seems to have melted away, wah hoppen?
Comment by JFKerry -
Wah Hoppen is that you still can’t read. If the public is still against the war even though the bushista press is reporting cooked numbers about Iraq violence that it would seem to a rational, thinking, adult, (sorry, that lets you out) that Iraq is still a pivotal issue. moron.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:56 am“Barfly and others swoon in ecstasy.”
The “others” means P-brain. He’s ecstatic whenever he can bash two women at once.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:57 amOur current incarnation of Mr P is proving to be as useless as the former incarnation. Let’s ignore this one and allow him to talk to himself. Not worth debating because he has nothing other than the RNC strawman arguments and talking points.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:59 amAn 18% increase…Very significant.
US public opinion shifts on Iraq ‘surge’
By Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington
Some 48 per cent of Americans now believe that the US Âmilitary effort in Iraq is going well, compared with 30 per cent in February, according to the latest poll by the Pew Research Center.
November 28th, 2007 at 9:59 amWhat are we going to do about Jane Harman?????
November 28th, 2007 at 10:02 amShe should not be let off the hook, this crazy women has passed her bill out of committee to the full Senate to take away the little rights we have left .
Her bill would deny any redress of charges brought against us .
Even the Supreme court would not be allowed to hear your case .
What was this woman who is a Democrat thinking .
She ’s not running for president so why did she push this arcane bill that shows democrats are tough on Terror .
Please bring the full force of the Netroots down on her ass!!!!!
There is nothing in that linked post that said the vehicle “tried to work it’s way past a roadblockâ€.
Well maybe if you weren’t such a fool you might be able to understand that there are-GASP!-other news sources which have articles about this incident and DO mention the roadblock. Tarnation, you libs are dumb.
Now I know that in the rest of your screed you can barely contain your desire to scream “baby killers!” in reference to our troops, but you need to keep your composure for just a little while longer. Having the libs show their true stripes in how they really see soldiers might have a detrimental effect on the election.
Ok, get back to your flag burning.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:04 amAh, Exley, so creative and so dishonest. Why not reproduce the very next paragraph?
Or a little farther down:
November 28th, 2007 at 10:07 am
Here’s the real scoop on America’s attitude towards the Occupation of Iraq:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
Public opinion on Iraq isn’t nearly as rosy as our new loon troll would have you believe. Also, the increase in people thinking things are going well or fairly well is only 4 points.
And why shouldn’t the sheepole think things are going better. Our propaganda media, controlled by Republiscum owners, is going along with Bush’s program to cherry-pick numbers to make things look like they are going well while ignoring the fact that there is no political reconciliation going on and the lull in the violence is likely to change once we stop paying Sheiks to not kill our soldiers.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:09 amWah Hoppen is that you still can’t read. If the public is still against the war even though the bushista press is reporting cooked numbers about Iraq violence that it would seem to a rational, thinking, adult, (sorry, that lets you out) that Iraq is still a pivotal issue. moron.
Having trouble with the basics? I was talking about the dems putting Iraq on the ‘back burner’ which the supporting article talks about, not that I expected you to actually read the article much less understand it.
You do understand the term “pivotal” don’t you?
November 28th, 2007 at 10:10 amSome 48 per cent of Americans now believe that the US Âmilitary effort in Iraq is going well, compared with 30 per cent in February, according to the latest poll by the Pew Research Center.
Comment by Exley — November 28, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Proving Abraham Lincoln correct: You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:11 amNow I know that in the rest of your screed you can barely contain your desire to scream “baby killers!†in reference to our troops, but you need to keep your composure for just a little while longer. Having the libs show their true stripes in how they really see soldiers might have a detrimental effect on the election.
Ok, get back to your flag burning.
Comment by Age of Rifles
Wow, this troll is particularly dumb. I have no desire to scream “baby killers” and didn’t say anything close to that. I simply stated that my fear is that our overworked, over tired, over stressed military is starting to act like the hired assassins Bush has sent to Iraq where they are “shooting first and asking questions later”. I do not blame the troops for this, I blame the people who have put the troops in harms way under trained, overtired and overstressed with no clear goal in sight.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:12 amAge of Rifles
Then post one. Or *GASP* does actually supporting your argument seem too difficult for you?
November 28th, 2007 at 10:13 amThanks Gummitch,
As we see from your posting and mine, not only has belief that the war in Iraq is now going well climbed a dramatic 18% since February, we also see that has been no increase in the number of Americans calling for withdrawal since February.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:13 amYou do understand the term “pivotal†don’t you?
Comment by JFKerry – President — November 28, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Always amusing to be lectured by a fool (and a coward) on the subject of comprehension:
November 28th, 2007 at 10:14 am
Exley
No decrease either – meaning that the war is still unpopular even with Americans thinking its going better.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:16 amWTF? From page 20 of the PDF file:
“What the media are missing is how we will get out of Iraq and leave a stable Iraq behind,†said Col. Steve Boylan, spokesman for Army Gen. David Petraeus, commander of coalition forces.
MAYBE THEY’RE MISSING IT CAUSE YOU AIN’T TOLD US WHAT/WHEN IT IS, DUMBCLUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 28th, 2007 at 10:18 amAs we see from your posting and mine, not only has belief that the war in Iraq is now going well climbed a dramatic 18% since February, we also see that has been no increase in the number of Americans calling for withdrawal since February.
Comment by Exley — November 28, 2007 @ 10:13 am
And no DECREASE, Exley, which one would expect if the “dramatic” increase was significant. Yes, the occupation is perceived by more people to be better than in February (when the number of people approving it was “dramatically” miniscule), but that doesn’t mean any more people approve of the occupation.
You keep skipping over the part you don’t want to acknowledge.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:18 amoops, wrong thread.
Thank god for cut-n-paste…
November 28th, 2007 at 10:19 amAnother interesting part of the poll is that the percentage of Americans who believe that the US will ultimately succeed in Iraq is actually higher than those who believe it will not succeed (albeit, there is only a 2% differential here — 48%-46%)
This represents a statistically significant shift from September where those who said the U.S would not succeed in Iraq was 47% and those who thought the U.S. would succeed was 42%
November 28th, 2007 at 10:19 amKeep changing the definition of “success” and the results of polls regarding Americans belief that “success” will be achieved will also change. Mission Accomplished.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:22 amThen post one. Or *GASP* does actually supporting your argument seem too difficult for you?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 28, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Not at all, since you twits seem unable to get beyond Kos for your daily update. Concentrate on this part:
“U.S. troops fired warning shots when the bus reached the checkpoint and tried to drive through,”
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/
November 28th, 2007 at 10:22 amworld/ny-woiraq285479029nov28,0,4640574.story
Bruce,
Oh, certainly the war is not popular. But with no increase in opposition since February and an increase in both the belief that things are going better in Iraq and in the belief that the US will ultimately succeed in Iraq is politically significant….As even The New York Times reported last week, the Democratic presidential candidates are beginning to shift their tone when talking about Iraq in the wake of recent military successes. I would imagine these new poll numbers will continue to encourage their shift in tone.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:23 amAge of Rifles
Which amounts to taking the government’s word for it, without considering how this can reflect on all involved.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:26 amI simply stated that my fear is that our overworked, over tired, over stressed military is starting to act like the hired assassins Bush has sent to Iraq where they are “shooting first and asking questions laterâ€
Yes, that must be it, right along with every other slur leveled against the troops since the war began.
With violent attacks down, a sane person might think that such incidents would have occurred with more regularity a year ago rather than today, then again finding sanity on the left is a rare thing these days.
Perhaps you better stick to torching cars.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:27 amAge of Rifles
Or, a person might note that a year ago, was 12 months less time for a lot of US troops in the combat zone, and prior to them having their tours extended to fuel the “Surge.”
Oh, and it isn’t like 12 months ago was a time of zero error either.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:29 amAs even The New York Times reported last week, the Democratic presidential candidates are beginning to shift their tone when talking about Iraq in the wake of recent military successes. I would imagine these new poll numbers will continue to encourage their shift in tone.
Comment by Exley — November 28, 2007 @ 10:23 am
Meanwhile, the people who actually know what’s happening in Iraq will tell you that the military successes are a mere band-aid over a worsening political situation. The media is reporting a few small victories while ignoring the big picture, and public opinion is reflecting that.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:29 ambilbo, are you arguing the FCC should regulate cable?
November 28th, 2007 at 10:30 amabout the FCC/kevin martin “compromise” – that’s not the worst:
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Devil In The Details: Kevin Martin’s Big Plans
HuffPo:
Earlier this month the FCC convened the final of six public hearings to air out concerns about this proposed rule change. I have watched, listened to or attended all of these hearings and one thing is clear. The public is single-mindedly opposed to more media consolidation.
Martin himself admitted recently that he remembers “only one†public witness calling for relaxation of media ownership rules at these hearings.
This public opposition is not just evident in the passion of the thousands of people who came to the FCC hearings in Seattle, Los Angeles, Nashville, Tampa, Harrisburg and Chicago. It’s a fact reflected in the public record.
The last time the FCC tried to change the rules in 2003, millions of people contacted Congress and the FCC to oppose the changes, which were ultimately thrown out by the courts. My organization, Free Press, checked the filings and found that more than 99 percent of the public comments received by the FCC opposed changing the rules.
None of this has halted Martin’s headlong rush to let loose a new wave of consolidation by the end of the year.
FreePress has this .pdf report as well: 10 Facts Kevin Martin Doesn’t Want You to Know About His New Media Ownership Rules
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 11/ 27/ devil-in-the-details-kevin-martins-big-plans/
November 28th, 2007 at 10:30 am.
Which amounts to taking the government’s word for it, without considering how this can reflect on all involved.
So better that we simply assume the troops are trigger-happy and ready to slaughter civilians at the slightest provocation.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:30 amAge of Rifles
So you are better viewing it with a certain amount of skepticism – and finding out what really happened. That is, if America still had any real reporters.
The rightwing has kind of killed real journalism in the first world though – whenever anything remotely resembling investigative reporting appears you hear squeals of “Liberal Media Bias.”
November 28th, 2007 at 10:35 amMeanwhile, the people who actually know what’s happening in Iraq will tell you that the military successes are a mere band-aid over a worsening political situation.
All twelve of them, wow.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:35 amOnly 12 people actually know what’s happening in Iraq?
November 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amI’d think that would be in the millions. But 12, huh? Who’dathunk?
If you think terrorism from middle eastern (oil-rich) societies is a clusterf**k, wait till state sponsored eco-terrorism, resulting from our “rape-and-pillage” (”spreadin’ democrisy“)style foreign policy starts to emerge in, oh, say the next 5 to 25 years.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:39 amSo you are better viewing it with a certain amount of skepticism – and finding out what really happened. That is, if America still had any real reporters.
Considering how often something like this happens, I am willing to trust the soldiers first. Too often these men have been maligned as drooling killers while just the opposite is true; mistakes happen but if the plan was to kill everyone who even looked odd, there would be more such incidents.
The rightwing has kind of killed real journalism in the first world though – whenever anything remotely resembling investigative reporting appears you hear squeals of “Liberal Media Bias.â€
Meanwhile the left has gone out of its way to make sure that heroic acts and kindnesses by our soldiers are almost completely ignored. Abu Ghraib is front page for months while MOH recipients get listed next to help-wanted ads.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:43 ambilbobaggins:
“But, the real intent of my post was to point out that Nader’s credo “there is no difference between the candidates†was ludicrous.”
Agreed. And what a painful lesson it’s been.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:45 amAbu Ghraib is front page for months while MOH recipients get listed next to help-wanted ads.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Considering how completely the MSM is controlled by conservative corporations, don’t blame liberals, dumdum. Yer own side is doing this.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:45 amOnly 12 people actually know what’s happening in Iraq?
I’d think that would be in the millions. But 12, huh? Who’dathunk?
According to toastedbrain, that seems to be the case, though I would expect there are more than twelve captains who have served in Iraq that would beg to differ.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:47 amOk, get back to your flag burning.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 10:04 am
Good God, this moron is out of touch…
When was the last time ANYONE saw a flag burned?
30… 35 years ago???
November 28th, 2007 at 10:48 amTP, one you missed
1-US general wants big cuts in Iraqi detainees (Reuters)
CAMP BUCCA, Iraq, Nov 28 (Reuters) – The commander of US
prison camps in Iraq said he wants to cut the number of Iraqis in his custody by around two thirds by the end of 2008 as part of a campaign to quell the insurgency.
Most of the more than 25,000 detainees held by US forces are Sunni Arabs accused of involvement in violence against the Shi’ite-led government and American troops. Sunni Arab leaders say many are innocent and held without charge.
The issue of detainees in both US and Iraqi jails is one of the most sensitive in the country, especially as detentions have spiked during stepped-up military operations this year.
Major-General Douglas Stone, head of US detention facilities in Iraq, said on Tuesday he had given a proposal to the US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, to sharply cut the detainee population in US custody.
“We want to get on a glide path to get (numbers) down by the
end of next year,†Stone told Reuters at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq, the US military’s largest detention camp in the country.
“We are looking at a number that is in the sub-10,000 or 8,000 level for real difficult, challenged guys. The rest of them we think we can work through and get out.â€
The fate of Iraqi detainees has been a flashpoint since US jailors were pictured abusing naked detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. Those pictures came to light in 2004.
Critics say only a small proportion of those held are ever prosecuted and convicted. The US military contends those still in custody are there because they pose a security risk. A detainee’s case is reviewed every six months.
Stone said one issue was that while he was freeing around 45 people a day, between 40 to 60 new detainees had been coming in each day. That reflects a major security crackdown launched in February with the help of 30,000 extra American troops.
Stone said he believed the number of detainees in the US
military’s two facilities — the other is Camp Cropper near Baghdad — was around 17,000 when the offensive began.
He said he was “very close to a crossover point†where the number being detained equalled the number going out.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:48 amConsidering how completely the MSM is controlled by conservative corporations, don’t blame liberals, dumdum. Yer own side is doing this.
You would think that those conservatives would try harder to tamp down stories like Aboo Grebbb instead of allowing them to fester for months on end. Then again, when libs see conspiracy all around them, it must be easy to leave logic behind. Ain’t that right, tweedle dee?
November 28th, 2007 at 10:50 am“… according to the latest poll by the Pew Research Center.”
Comment by Exley — November 28, 2007 @ 9:59 am
And yet Bush remains as unpopular as ever… so sad, Li’l Ex-Lax, so sad.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:52 amAin’t that right, tweedle dee?
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Clearly, you’re factually challenged, Twiddle-dummdumm. The MSM is almost COMPLETELY controlled by conservative corporations. If Kevin Martin has his way, it’ll be even more so shortly.
If you don’t like the news about places like Abu Graihb, blame them, not us.
Hey, here’s a little insight fer, *sshat. Mebbe Abu Graibh was SO F-in’ BAD that even conservatives were offended.
Were you one of the 1 or 2% who got turned one by the sex-torutre photos? Somehow, seems likely.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:56 amAge of Rifles
Bad news sells better then good news.
You don’t see stories about the happy fun time kids are having in the city’s schoolyards now do you? No, you see stories about the crack dealers in your city’s schoolyards.
You don’t read stories about someone making a million bucks, when there is a nice juicy fraud to go at. Government doing something right? Not when you have a huge corruption scandal happening.
The reason? We don’t need to do anything about something going right. Its going right and hence, pretty much sorting itself out. We do need to do something about something going wrong – and thus we are more interested in hearing about it.
This is where the bias is coming in, you are not hearing about what is happening in Iraq, you are only hearing the official story, never the real one.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:57 am“… though I would expect there are more than twelve captains who have served in Iraq that would beg to differ.”
Comment by Age of Rifles
Post ‘em, if you got ‘em.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:57 amGood God, this moron is out of touch…
When was the last time ANYONE saw a flag burned?
30… 35 years ago???
Try getting out from under the sink more than twice a year, ya dunderhead.
Ashland, Oregon, 2003 at (surprise surprise) an anti-war rally. Need more because I gots lotsa more?
Now my math skills are a little fuzzy but I’m purty sure that 2003 wasn’t “30… 35 years ago”. Dopey.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:57 amPost ‘em, if you got ‘em.
Comment by barfly — November 28, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Already done for me. Twelve captains mentioned in the article, twelve out of how many in the army?
Twelve…wait…unless the others are being forcibly silenced by the Evil Hegemonic Bush Cabal and His Army of Dark NeoCon Minions©?
Yu toopid. Yu WAAAAY toopid.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:00 am“I would imagine these new poll numbers will continue to encourage their shift in tone.”
Comment by Exley — November 28, 2007 @ 10:23 am
And since the surge is ending the numbers will change again, back to pre-february levels.
The cake’s so close, you can almost taste the freedom frosting – almost.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:03 am“Yu toopid. Yu WAAAAY toopid.”
Comment by Age of Rifles
What, no links? Why does that not surprise me?
November 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amNow my math skills are a little fuzzy but I’m purty sure that 2003 wasn’t “30… 35 years agoâ€. Dopey.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 10:57 am
ONE??? ONE flag burning and you’re wetting your pants?
Oh… wait… flag burning has NOTHING to do w/ you wetting yourself.
Back under Mom’s double wide for you, Twiddle Dummdumm.
And more than yer math skills are a little fuzzy…
November 28th, 2007 at 11:05 amWhat, no links? Why does that not surprise me?
Comment by barfly
Time to put em on ice.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:05 amAll twelve of them, wow.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Thanks for this. I’ll be sure to remember this comment any time you rely on a survey to prove a point.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:05 amLet’s try a troll-style argument, shall we?
“I’d rather see thousands of American flags burning than see thousands of American flags draping the coffins of dead American troops.”
November 28th, 2007 at 11:06 amThis is where the bias is coming in, you are not hearing about what is happening in Iraq, you are only hearing the official story, never the real one.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 28, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Keeping all of that in mind, is Abu Ghraib the official story and not a tale of real events? Could it be that it was blown out of proportion or creatively edited? Was it bias?
No, it happened and made the front page for months, meanwhile the other events that really happen on a daily basis that don’t concern soldiers acting like savages get buried somewhere in the back.
Regardless of what sells, the abject failure of most of the MSM to really highlight the great things our troops are accomplishing will naturally lead the average citizen to have a negative view of the war.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:06 amAh. Another of the “evil or stupid” bunch who still support our pathetic excuse for a president.
AofR – which are you? Evil or stupid?
My vote is for evil – since you spell much better than the average reichwinger.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:06 amKeeping all of that in mind, is Abu Ghraib the official story and not a tale of real events? Could it be that it was blown out of proportion or creatively edited? Was it bias?
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 11:06 am
yes, the MSM, which is controlled by conservative corporations.
(You really are dumb, aren’t you?)
Perhaps even conservatives found Abu Ghraib offensive, huh?
Except you, who was busy getting turned on by the sex torture photos.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amThanks for this. I’ll be sure to remember this comment any time you rely on a survey to prove a point.
Comment by toasterhead — November 28, 2007 @ 11:05 am
No problem though I expect you will be disappointed. If you choose to be ignorant enough to claim that a whole twelve captain’s views of the war as ‘proof’ that the effort is hopeless, that is your concern.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amRegardless of what sells, the abject failure of most of the MSM to really highlight the great things our troops are accomplishing will naturally lead the average citizen to have a negative view of the war.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Yeah. Journalists are too chicken to go out and find the real stories. But wait. Didn’t that lady from the Christian Science Monitor get kidnapped while doing just that? Why doesn’t Drudge get embedded?
November 28th, 2007 at 11:11 amNo, it happened and made the front page for months, meanwhile the other events that really happen on a daily basis that don’t concern soldiers acting like savages get buried somewhere in the back.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 11:06 am
How many news stories do you see about construction workers building a house? How many do you see about a plumber fixing a toilet? How many do you see about a stockbroker making a trade or a doctor curing a child with the flu?
Not too many. Why? Because it’s not news when people do their jobs the way they’re supposed to.
However, when the construction workers cut corners and the house collapses, or the stockbroker makes an illegal trade or the doctor misdiagnoses a child, that’s news.
Why should it be any different for soldiers?
November 28th, 2007 at 11:12 amOh, my bad. Since Drudge is openly gay, he’d probably get fragged. Bad i dea.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:14 amNo problem though I expect you will be disappointed. If you choose to be ignorant enough to claim that a whole twelve captain’s views of the war as ‘proof’ that the effort is hopeless, that is your concern.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 11:10 am
When did I claim that?
November 28th, 2007 at 11:14 amAge of Rifles
Abu Ghraib was just bad enough to have to get out, had a broad market appeal, and didn’t harm advertisers interests. Also, the story had leaked online, and it was only a matter of time before it hit home hard enough to knock down viewerships, already shrinking for lack of substance.
Smaller stories, such as massive mismanagement of military contracts, lax accounting standards being applied by the contractors hired by the US military, the outsourcing of catering to fast food companies, all kind of get a brief obligatory hearing and then get neatly swept under the carpet in the name of what latest bimbo with a recording contract lost her underwear.
There is a massive problem in America right now in that Bush can’t manage his way out of a paper bag, every single programme including the Iraq war, is prone to poor internal controls, and companies are profitting off of this. About all you can find on that is in magazines like the frigging Rolling Stone.
Not your traditional news media.
It hurts their advertisers.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:15 amyes, the MSM, which is controlled by conservative corporations.
(You really are dumb, aren’t you?)
Perhaps even conservatives found Abu Ghraib offensive, huh?
Except you, who was busy getting turned on by the sex torture photos.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — November 28, 2007 @ 11:10 am
You should have taken your therapist’s advice and not stared at the sun for hours on end. Oh well, you still got your crayons.
I understand now that you want to pin Abu Ghraib on all the soldiers, but your fear of military service and really really mean D.I.’s shouldn’t be allowed to cloud your judgement. Just a piece of advice, not that you have the brains to understand it.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:16 amAge of Rifles
Soldiers did it. They took photos of them doing it. Those photos leaked.
Those soldiers weren’t all soldiers and nobody here or anywhere claims that they were. It is only the rightwing that only sees people in groups, not as individuals.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:19 amEvil is correct, Annie.
Dumbshit is probable, Evil is a given.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:20 amI doubt we need to try to debate with Age of Rifles. Sooner or later he’s bound to look down the wrong end of the barrel while firing.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:23 amIt’s ALWAYS been about the oil. Traitorous “coin before country” types.
US oilman jailed over UN scandal
OPERATION IRAQI LIBERATION
November 28th, 2007 at 11:23 amNot your traditional news media.
It hurts their advertisers.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — November 28, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Yet my local media can find time to include a front-page blurb about civilians getting killed while ignoring a local guy (from my very own city) who lost an arm because he tackled a terrorist trying to throw a bomb into a group of Iraqi police recruits. I found that story accidentally while sifting through a blog.
The good things and the positive efforts have been ignored from the beginning, yet every bad incident gets at least an honorable mention in the ‘International News’ section of the papers.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:23 amI doubt we need to try to debate with Age of Rifles. Sooner or later he’s bound to look down the wrong end of the barrel while firing.
-Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian
Actually, PLC, that’s already happened. The rifle still isn’t clean, his face shows the damage, but what really happened to the brain it used to have?
November 28th, 2007 at 11:25 amwho lost an arm
I love those “up-lifting” stories about a young man losing his arm FOR NOTHING.
You’re a gruesome, steaming pile of cowardly sh!t, who needs to quit following in his heroes footsteps, stop avoiding serving your country, and go ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. Anyone who espouses as much conviction as you who DOESN’T “put up or shut up” is a bonafide, Grade-A PU$$Y.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:29 amZimzone,
How does one really know the answer to the age old chicken-egg question when it comes to troll brains and troll behavior?
November 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amThose soldiers weren’t all soldiers and nobody here or anywhere claims that they were. It is only the rightwing that only sees people in groups, not as individuals.
You wouldn’t be able to guess that from what I have seen at anti-war rallies or in the caricatures drawn by fuds like Ted Rall.
I’ll try to remember your admonishment about ‘grouping’ next time southerners are referred to as a bunch of Bible-thumping, Nascar fan hicks or (as is normally found at TP) all conservatives (pick one at random) hate the poor, are greedy, love war, drive SUV’s, are bigots, etc. etc.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amComment by DieNowForPeace — November 28, 2007 @ 11:29 am
That man threw himself onto a bomb to save the lives of people he didn’t even know; that you would dishonor his bravery is further proof that the best part of you dribbled down your father’s leg.
When you can link to what you know about my military service, then I will listen to you. Until then I can only presume that you are a frothing, adolescent dolt whose only redeeming feature is the ability to huff bleach.
Twit.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:39 amFrosty: “Anyway, sorry, but the mess we’re in right now has very little to do with Nader and lots to do with the way the system is rigged.”
Nope. I’m with BilboBaggins on this one. Nader turned into a demogogue. A demogogue is someone who pushes a lie in service of political ends, in this case the lie that there were no differences between Gore and Bush. He knew it was a lie, but kept pushing it even in spite of serious advisors who counciled him to go easy on that fearing Bush would win. If just one out of ten clueless Greenies would have understood this in Florida, we would not be in Iraq and hundreds of thousands of people would not be dead. If just one out of ten Greenies in New Hampshire had understood this lie, our economy would not be in the toilet and the 9-11 attack might never have even happened. As someone who supported and admired Nader for decades before 2000, I think of him as a disgrace. And of course, like clockwork, he pops up every 4 years to slam democrats. This year he’s suing them for somehow making it hard for him to be a candidate. Just face the facts and take it, Greenies. You are dripping with blood.
November 28th, 2007 at 11:47 amComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — November 28, 2007 @ 11:47 am
And what is really sad is the fact that Gore has brought the Green agenda to the forefront much more effectively than Nader ever did. What more might Gore have done for the agenda as President?
November 28th, 2007 at 11:53 amAge of Rifles
The only person I see dishonouring his actions here, is you. You are borrowing his sacrifice to try and make yourself seem greater then you really are, while denigrating the courage of those you disagree with.
Wars aren’t clean. You want more Lyndie England, go to war because bad people put on the uniform to. This is why you avoid war, it is universally ugly and the press is going to show bad news, provided it doesn’t hit their advertisers, before it shows good news.
It is universal. You are as likely to see good news on Iraq as you are to see good news on Watts. Murders are more reported now, even though there are less of them. Pedophiles? There hasn’t been a pedophile boom, they just became newsworthy.
The press is out to sell a product, that product is its readers, viewers and listeners. To get that product the press has to tell them a story, and a nasty story works a lot better then a nice one, to get their real customers, the people who actually pay the bills? The advertisers? They have to be careful about what slant goes into the news.
It is a balancing act, because good news? Is boring news. Bad news, that people will read and there is a lot more of it then makes it into your papers. In fact you papers are actually downright mild on their Iraq reporting, and show a distinct reluctance to challenge the Bush Administration, because well, conservatives whine more then liberals and a lot of that bad news actually reflects on advertisers.
And here is the secret: You know when a soldier dies in a war? It isn’t news. Soldiers die in wars. They get injured, they get maimed and they suffer pointless counts of peril. Some of them do bad stuff, some of them do stupid stuff (Look up why Italy pulled out of the war, that wasn’t terrorism that cost you that ally, it was a friendly fire incident. Don’t forget that tank that decided to shoot at reporters either.)
What is really news, the stuff you should know about, happens to be more along the lines of “Why are trucks driving across the desert, charging the US government a fortune, in order to deliver a single spark plug?” That speaks to the heart of the conflict. “What is the end goal of the US occupation of Iraq? IE: What is winning in Iraq?” Nobody’s actually answered that one. We hear lots about winning, but nothing defining it.
Now onto who hates the troops.
In actions more then words, conservatives hate the troops. They hate them, look at how they treat veterans, look at how they slash veteran healthcare budgets, how they send them off to wars for essentially nothing, how they promote using military force for every problem without considering when these soldiers will get time to rest.
Conservatives, when it comes to deeds rather then empty rhetoric and a yellow ribbon, well they hate everything about those who have the courage to put their lives where their mouths are.
And you are no different. You live off of the borrowed glory of guys who know better. You proclaim liberals hate troops, hate America, tell me, who here supports torture? Declaring the legally constituted military forces of another country illegal combatants? Who here justifies by allowing America to do it, America’s enemies to do it to you?
You do. Sure, Liberals might be in favour of gun control, who here is in favour of doing away with the right to privacy, a fair trial, heck even the rights due to POWs under the geneva conventions? You do.
You see, you hate the troops, you hate everything they stand for, including and especially, America. America is more then just a patch of land, or a flag, or any of that, America is a state founded on human rights. It is a state founded on the concept of treating people like people even when it is hard to do so.
And you oppose it in every possible way.
Liberals? Liberals figure the troops deserve the best in terms of post-combat healthcare and help. You will be hard put to find a liberal who disagrees with funding the college tuition of veterans after they get back from the war, or their healthcare.
You won’t find one on here who opposes giving veterans councilling for what they did during the war, which is a traumatic experience because it is horrible thinking that you accidentally killed a child. But, you will find plenty of conservatives opposed to helping veterans out, and this is why some of the most prominent liberal voices, include guys like http://votevets.org/
November 28th, 2007 at 12:05 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — November 28, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
**Standing ovation**
November 28th, 2007 at 12:10 pmEconomists are forecasting a real possibility of a downturn in the economy. Shrub says that he is making the economy a top issue. The head of the economic council is resigning.
Do I sense a disconnect here ?
November 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pmputting this kind of stuff out – the “progressive growth” report – creates the strong – and WRONG – impression that, when the new DEMOCRATIC president is inaugurated on 20 january 2009, if this kind of plan is implemented, the trees will burst into leaf, a million roses will bloom, and the milk and honey will flow in abundance, and that’s simply not true… all that same shit that george and his criminal compadres have put in place will still be there, and i, for one, don’t want ANY future president, but especially hillary or rudy, sitting in the oval office contemplating how best to use it…
and, yeah, yeah, yeah… i KNOW the report is about an ECONOMIC strategy, but, ferchrissake, we’re not going to even HAVE a goddam economy if we don’t get these jokers out of office and restore our founding document and the rule of law to their rightful place as the foundation of our country…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
November 28th, 2007 at 1:18 pmWhen you can link to what you know about my military service, then I will listen to you. Until then I can only presume that you are a frothing, adolescent dolt whose only redeeming feature is the ability to huff bleach.
Twit.
Comment by Age of Rifles — November 28, 2007 @ 11:39 am
So what about your “military service?” You need to leave your mom’s basement to actually be in the military, just so you know.
November 28th, 2007 at 1:20 pmDespite increased public optimism due to the recent downturn in violence in Iraq, a new Pew Research poll finds that President Bush “remains as unpopular as ever†and “the public remains just as committed to bringing U.S. troops home.â€
It doesn’t matter what you think. Why should anyone care about a number on the bottom line of the corporate ledger? Think what you want. Vote for which ever of the choices we give you. Get back to watching TV. You don’t matter.
November 28th, 2007 at 3:13 pmBush cultist: ““Congressional Democrats will focus on the economy next week.†It’s about time.”
That’s conservatives for you. They have no real values or consistency. When Dems took over, they were complaining that issues like the minimum wage were irrelevant and argued that Dems should get some courage and get out of Iraq if that’s what they really wanted. Now, they act like they wanted Dems to be about the economy. It’s all a game for these sociopathic cultists. Honesty and consistency are foreign concepts to these a-holes.
November 28th, 2007 at 7:12 pm