At the Apollo in Harlem last night, comedian Chris Rock “compared the way the federal government handled its response to the wild fires in California to the emergency response in Katrina“:
“This is how [Bush] dealt with catastrophe. The fires in LA he was there the next day,” Rock said. “White people burning he was there. Black people drowning he don’t care… He was putting out the fires with Katrina water!”
Watch it:
Isn’t it amazing that its comedians and singers who are the one’s who are speaking out instead of the people who are supposedly paid to do it….
November 30th, 2007 at 10:21 amraynman,
Yeah, where’s Bill Mahr when you need him!
Actually, comedic political satirists are some of the funniest and most intelligent commentators we have in public…excpet Dennis Miller.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amI’ll take 1980’s mulletted SNL Dennis Miller over 2007 bearded post-SNF Dennis Miller any day.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:34 amBush doesn’t “deal” with catastrophe. He waits until his handlers tell him what to do, then he reacts.
This is why he sat reading “My Pet Goat” for several minutes after hearing that we had been attacked on 9/11 — somebody forgot to turn the key in his back to wind him up.
This is why his initial reaction to Katrina was to fly over the devastation in Air Force One en route from Crawford to Washington — his handlers thought that would show some degree of compassion. It took days before word got to his people that it was pathetically insufficient.
The reason his response was quicker for the wildfires was because his handlers were appalled that rich white Republicans were being affected. But I’m sure that Bush still had the vacant stare until he got kicked into action.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:36 amChris Rock is right, but it’s not because the people in California were white – it’s because they were rich. This isn’t a race issue, it’s an economic issue (and yes, it’s also a race issue because guess who tends to be poor?).
If you noticed, even while the fires were burning, the wingnuts were yelling about tree huggers causing (causing, mind you) the fires because they blocked brush cleanup (of course, what they were blocking was clear cutting and resource abuse, but what’s a little misrepresentation among friends). Look for a concerted press to “relieve” the logging industry from the burdensome regulation so that they can “prevent” forest fires by cutting down the forests.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:39 amThis guy is a genius. A little loud, but a genius. I crapped my pants after watching one of his shows.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:40 am“I crapped my pants after watching one of his shows.”
– - TMI.
November 30th, 2007 at 10:43 amThe difference was that CA had a Republican governor that knew how to handle disasters while Louisiana had a Democrat governor and mayor without a clue.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 30, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Ya mean, it wasn’t Brownie’s fault after all?
November 30th, 2007 at 10:56 amrace had EVERYthing to do with it…
talk about “without a clue”… but fox will do that to ya…
November 30th, 2007 at 10:58 amRace had nothing to do with it. In case you didn’t notice, there were @ 150,000 + white people in New Orleans itself. The difference was that CA had a Republican governor that knew how to handle disasters while Louisiana had a Democrat governor and mayor without a clue.
Comment by cold_hard_left — November 30, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Of course race (and class) had everything to do with it. You are either lying to us, lying to yourself, or are an idiot to think otherwise, so which one is it?
I’m thinking it’s #3, you truly are a moron.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:01 amcold_hard_left:
There are so many differences between the two catastrophes, but I’ll throw out a few:
Lesson learned from Katrina. Be effin’ prepared. Take action.
Rich people, for the most part, able to get out and drive to a hotel to stay in.
Much, much smaller geographic area to deal with. Really. Vastly smaller in California.
And yeah, Arnold seems waaay more capable than that governor in LA. And Nagin? He, too, seemed over his head.
So I’ll give you the point about the leaders. I agree. But there was more to it than that.
And why don’t you people produce more Arnold-like Republicans anyway? (you know, rational, stem cell research supporting, pro reproductive choice, pro let’s take on action on the environment, completely sane)
;-)
November 30th, 2007 at 11:01 amBush isn’t racist: he doesn’t give a fluck about anyone.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:02 amBob:
I, too, don’t think Bush is a racist. He just doesn’t give a shit about poor people. Lots of whom are black, but plenty are white, as well.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:03 amAnd that explains Bush’s blank stare and guitar playing and total indeifference to Katrina? Spin away sycophant, spin away.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:03 amChris Rock is saying in public what we should all be saying in public.
Race was an issue during and after Katrina, but I think class was the bigger issue.
None of the Chimp’s “base” were dying of dehydration in the Super Dome, or drowning in their attics.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:05 amWhat’s TMI?
November 30th, 2007 at 11:05 amI’ll take 1980’s mulletted SNL Dennis Miller over 2007 bearded post-SNF Dennis Miller any day.
Comment by ThatsNotFunny — November 30, 2007 @ 10:34 am
Amen to that!
November 30th, 2007 at 11:08 amTMI
Too Much Information
November 30th, 2007 at 11:10 amDemasiado información Juan.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:10 amWhat’s TMI?
Comment by Juan C. — November 30, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Too Much Information.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amSkepticRising – why must the reason be either “rich” or “black” – couldn’t it be both ?
I’d tend to say that despite large gains in racial economic disparity, there is still a correlation between race and economic vitality. It’s not as clear cut, but it still exists. So the two issues tend to intertwine.
And of course, for most people alive, they formed their thoughts 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. So their perceptions, which probably haven’t caught up with the current reality, are that black = poor = uneducated.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amChris Rock is very funny, but I never crapped my pants over it.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:12 amOhhhhhh… sorry.
(Thanks, fellas)
November 30th, 2007 at 11:13 ambut I never crapped my pants over it.
Comment by ForTruth
Did I say I had enchiladas de mole two hours before that? :)
November 30th, 2007 at 11:14 am25:
:D
November 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amDid I say I had enchiladas de mole two hours before that? :)
Comment by Juan C. — November 30, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Too frickin’ funny, Juan. :-D
November 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amZoo :P
November 30th, 2007 at 11:17 am#25 by Juan C:
Now THAT’s how to dish out TMI!!
November 30th, 2007 at 11:22 amSadly this is a time when only our court jesters speak the truth.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amI see that our RNC representative CHL is here to stink up the thread.
Comparing a huge and wealthy state like California to a small and poor state like Louisiana, which was fighting a far more devastating catastrophe, hardly makes your case. But it doesn’t really matter: when a huge catastrophe happens, most Americans want the federal government to be there to help. Let me tell you something, a**hole: Katrina hurt Bush and the Republicans big time, and it is still hurting. It was a turning point that opened the eyes of many Americans to the extreme incompetence of this administration. Your precious GOP is going to pay for Katrina next year at the polls, just like it paid in 2006. In fact, I think it is fair to say that Katrina cost your party control of Congress. When next year rolls around, the only thing left to do about your party is count the indictments.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:27 amI read somewhere that everybody on this planet is separated by only six other people. Six degrees of separation between us and everyone else on this planet. The President of the United States, a gondolier in Venice, just fill in the names. I find that extremely comforting, that we’re so close, but I also find it like Chinese water torture that we’re so close because you have to find the right six people to make the connection. It’s not just big names — it’s anyone. A native in a rain forest, a Tierra del Fuegan, an Eskimo. I am bound — you are bound — to everyone on this planet by a trail of six people.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amwell, c_h_l is done for the day…
comedy has a well known liberal bias.
eh?
November 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amclarence told chl to shut up.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amComment by cold_hard_left — November 30, 2007 @ 10:50 am
I suppose you never heard Bush say that his base was the haves and the have mores? Just as I suppose you believe the poor people of Louisiana were supposed to get out there and repair the levees themselves, cold_hard_brain_left.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amI am so tired of hearing the argument that it was because of Katrina that we were prepared for the fires in CA, as if our country has never faced a natural disaster before! Anyone remember SF earthquake, 1909? The Dust Bowl? I could go on. Yes, in each case there are differences but the biggest difference was how our government responded in such a short time. What, did it take almost a hundred years after 1909 to get emergency relief running efficiently? Katrina was just a bit to soon? Come on. You can’t deny the demographics and economic disparity of New Orleans and San Diego. This is a clear case of blatant racism in America based on skin and income tax bracket.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:45 amBush hates white people too, just not the uber rich ones, those ones, the “haves and have mores” get lots of Bush Love sent their way.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
November 30th, 2007 at 11:50 amI am so tired of hearing the argument that it was because of Katrina that we were prepared for the fires in CA, as if our country has never faced a natural disaster before!
I think about this every time I hear some dipsh*t say “9/11 changed everything.” No, it’s didn’t change everything. It just woke the people in charge out of their drunken stupor and showed them that elections weren’t about winning and losing, they were about selecting accountability. They have since taken a full accounting of what they are accountable for, and flung themselves full strength into avoiding as much blame for failing to anticipate their responsibilities as possible.
So in that respect it did change everything – it turned the neocons from posers into losers.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:50 ambut the biggest difference was how our government responded in such a short time…You can’t deny the demographics and economic disparity of New Orleans and San Diego. This is a clear case of blatant racism in America based on skin and income tax bracket.
Comment by Pyramid — November 30, 2007 @ 11:45 am
It’s true that racism exists in America and the wealthiest Americans wage constant economic warfare against the rest of us (and have managed to convince a good portion of the population that it isn’t going on). All true.
But good, state government preparation can make a huge difference in terms of crisis. I live in Florida, and while I am no fan of Jeb Bush, he always did a good job preparing the state before any hurricane touched us. I mean, the guy is a brilliant policy wonk. A technocrat. Someone who understands the system and knew good and well not to trust FEMA.
No state government should rely on FEMA with some W lackey at the helm. (In fact, prior to Clinton it was considered a dumping ground for well connected political hacks. And became so again with Bush.)
At any rate, yeah, the poor got the shaft again in New Orleans.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:59 amYeah, ain’t that the truth, Chris. LOL!
November 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pmUmmm
correct me if i am wrong but uhh, don’t weathermen generally give you a 3 to 4 day warning about a hurricane coming, and ummm last time i checked, you can’t “fight” a hurricane?
November 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmAnd last i checked, there are generally rich liberals up in the hills of california ;)
Also, last I checked white died disproportionatly more in Lousiana than blacks.
I also beleive Chris Rock had to say something considering his track record as an entertainer has been rather lame. I think his ex-wife is working on a sequal to his last movie called “I thought I loved my husband”
MapleStreet @ 22: I agree – it is both. Minorities tend to be poor because there is racism in this country. But I’ll stick with my premise that what drives the republican ideology is wealth, power and privilege, not race in and of itself. Read Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine and the Katrina catastrophe (I’m talking about the response here, not the disaster) becomes a lot more clear.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:16 pmNot as much rich liberals in San Diego, Joneser
November 30th, 2007 at 12:16 pmChris Rock is saying in public what we should all be saying in public.
Nailed that one. Big time.
Anyone see Naomi Klein on Countdown last night? “Shock economics” are in play here, and New Orleans will end up being devoured by rich white developers who will turn it into Delta Disneyland.
And it’s true: Bush doesn’t give a flyin’ crap about anyone except rich people.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pmJonesie – yer ignorance is showing. Orange County is Repuke country.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAnyone see Naomi Klein on Countdown last night? “Shock economics†are in play here, and New Orleans will end up being devoured by rich white developers
Comment by Leftside Annie — November 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I have her book. Had to put it down at page 14 I was so angry. May take me a while to finish it at this rate.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:23 pmJoneser @ 41: The largest part of the damage in New Orleans came from the failed levees brought on by budget cuts and lack of maintenance among other things, not the storm itself, so “weathermen” had little to do with it. And last I checked, the southern California wild fires in question stretched from San Diego all the way to LA and there are a lot more rich republicans there than rich liberals. Even so, Bush’s response is limited to rhetoric and lip service. And there may have been more white people who died which wouldn’t be particularly surprising since white people are still in the majority and so statistically you would sort of expect that. But the reconstruction money for the entire Gulf coast and New Orleans in particular has gone to wealthy interests such as the casinos and the resorts. The people in the toxic FEMA trailers are over represented by poor and black.
Oh, and whether or not Chris Rock’s track record is lame (not), what does that have to do with his point?
November 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pmYeah jonser, you’re wrong. San Deigo is overwhemingly filled with selfish right-wing republican wingnuts. The hippies in the woods are up north. As far as the hurricanes go, go back and read up on how bush promised help that didn’t come, how landrieu did the proper paperwork for federal assistance and still got none, how brownie was too busy doing tv interviews to actually do his job, and on and on.
As far as chris rocks career and martial status, what significance does that have? But as long as we’re talking about people’s wives, you might want to check and see whose shoes are under your bed…
November 30th, 2007 at 12:26 pmChris Rock needs a show similar to the Daily Show. Now that would Rock.
On a lighter note.
Comparing the wildfires to Katrina is the same as comparing apples to oranges. I have heard of Hurricane Parties, but I’ve never heard of a Firestorm Party.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pmCan for once anyone just decide if they are an “ant” or a “grasshopper” and take responsibility for themselves? If anything Katrina could be considered the great flood from many different angles.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pmWhether it was realizing how truely impotent the federal government is when it comes to large scale disasters ( don’t care who the president is, politics has nothing to do with it, just because Bush didn’t do the Clinton posturing and tap dancing does mean they would have been anymore capable.)
Whether it was exposing the nature of the State of Lousiana and their corrupt government.
Whether it exposed how nature doesn’t care who you are.
Whether it exposed a lack of responsibility for one’s self and their community.
This “just blame Bush” crap is ridiculous. It hackneyed and tired. It’s old. Blaming one man for decades of incompetence?
Blame Nagin and all New Orleans mayors before him who saw the proverbial “leak in the dam” and did nothing. Who said go to the Super Dome with no game plan. With buses sitting in the parking lots.
Blame Blanco and all the governors before her who funelled Federal money elsewhere.
Stop relying on your government for your well being when danger strikes, and take responsibility for yourself.
48 – Yeah, Brownie was real busy admiring his purty blue shirt and rolled up sleeves.
*BAER* (Big Ass Eye Roll)
November 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmIsn’t it amazing that its comedians and singers who are the one’s who are speaking out instead of the people who are supposedly paid to do it….
Comment by raynman — November 30, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Even in Shakespeare’s time it was always the fools and the jesters who could speak truth to power.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI have her book. Had to put it down at page 14 I was so angry. May take me a while to finish it at this rate.
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — November 30, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
I’m having the same problem with Craig Unger’s The Fall of the House of Bush
November 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pm47)
Skepticrising
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html
48) I stand corrected, I guess there is hope for california after all, at leats in San Diego. But hey when in doubt blame whitey especially rich male whitey.
As far as Chris Rock goes, his PR as been down lately for many reasons, but hey i realize you can’t crack a joke about liberal comedians on TP. They can dish it but you can’t.
Let me see… yep my shoes ;) Thanks for the heads up ‘wurst
49) He had a show on HBO, it had its moments.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmI’m having the same problem with Craig Unger’s The Fall of the House of Bush
Comment by toasterhead — November 30, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
I’m not familiar with that book. I take it it’s good? (Or maddening, angering, etc.)
November 30th, 2007 at 1:07 pmAnd last i checked, there are generally rich liberals up in the hills of california ;)
Comment by Joneser — November 30, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Yep — all those “rich liberals” who put Duncan Hunter in office. FYI, Orange and San Diego counties are probably the two strongest GOP counties in the state.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI’m not familiar with that book. I take it it’s good? (Or maddening, angering, etc.)
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — November 30, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
It’s good and very maddening. It traces the history of the neocon/Evangelical marriage back to its origins in the late 1960s and details how exactly these freaks installed themselves in power and then took us to war in Iraq. It’s probably review for a lot of people, but there’s a lot I didn’t know about Cheney and Rumsfeld and Kristol and Podhoretz and Wolfowitz and all of their ilk.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pmIsn’t the Army Corps of Engineers (part of the federal government, if I remember correctly) responsible for maintaining the levy system in NOLA?
And wasn’t most of the death and destruction that occurred during Katrina caused by the massive rush of water into NOLA after the levy system failed?
And from what I understand, “Everybody Hates Chris” is doing rather well, at least for a CW show.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:27 pmtoasterhead:
Thanks, it sounds very enlightening. I’ll definitely pick it up, I always like connect-the-dots books. (Even when I find myself outraged.)
Reminds me of an old interview I saw on Frontline with Dr. Rice. She very matter of factly discusses the time she and Cheney actually sat around strategizing who they should groom to run for president, picking W at that moment. He had all the qualities they were looking for, as I recall. Pretty sure “competence” wasn’t on the list.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmThere were multiple reasons for Bushie Boys concern or lack thereof.
Yes, race was a factor. Yes, economics was a factor. Yes, Louisiana had a Democratic governor and California a Republican.
But the comment about California having “a Republican governor that knew how to handle disasters” is a bit disingenuous, and you wouldn’t say so if you actually lived here.
Firefighters could have gotten control sooner if so many of the water dropping planes weren’t grounded. Despite Schwarzenegger’s statements to the contrary, it wasn’t because of whether conditions, it was because the fire spotters were on the ground and instead of in the air where they belonged.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:50 pm58 RickS
read the article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2005/ 09/ 07/ AR2005090702462.html
Those senators and congressioanl leaders get tons of money to bring back to their state by commissioning the Army Corp to do certain work. Yet they didn’t push for improving the levees. The were into tourism and commerce, first.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThis is ABSOLUTELY shock economics. If you guys haven’t read, “The Shock Doctrine,” or, “No Logo,” do yourself a favor and enlighten yourselves. Excellent reading.
November 30th, 2007 at 2:04 pmJoneser,
Thanks for the reply.
It does sound like the blame for the castatrophe is pretty widespread:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/11/AR2006021101409.html
November 30th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWell…as someone who lives in San Diego county and was on evacuation notice for three days, let me tell you people what exactly went on. The fires here started on Sunday…Bush showed up on Thursday. Bush sent his goon squad ahead of him to make him look like he gave a crap while our Governor actually tried to do something, while lacking $1 billion in fire equipment that was in Iraq. If you’re stupid enough to fall into, “this is all about race” crap, I’d be happy to drive you eight miles south to Rancho Bernardo to the homes of the 36 teachers from Rancho Bernardo High School who lost their homes. Not good enough? How about I introduce you to the people who lost their homes because other people would not evacuate and the fire fighters had to defend one house instead of the neighborhood? Yeah, rich areas like Rancho Santa Fe did get affected…but this fires ravaged the middle class. Just because the median price of a home in California is astronomical, it doesn’t mean everyone has money hand-over-fist…it means getting earthquake and fire insurance along with making the home the ultimate investment. Bush doesn’t give two squirts about anyone…especially in a state that the GOP won’t spend any money in when the presidential race really starts.
I’m a registered Republican who will vote for a Democrat for President, simply because people like Lindsay Graham should be gelded.
November 30th, 2007 at 3:30 pmLooks like sectionop92 put all the rants to rest. Chris Rock is an idiot, but got what he wanted, headlines. Too bad the facts don’t support the emotional diatribe…
November 30th, 2007 at 3:43 pmActually, San Diego is half liberal/half conservative. The conservative block of San Diego, along with the Inland Empire and Orange County makes up the strongest conservative base in the nation…look it up, because it’s true. After that, the Hollywood and Bay Area liberals make up the backbone of the liberal base west of the Mississippi. After that, it doesn’t matter, because the rest of the state can do whatever, but the largest block of state governmental seats come out of LA, the Bay area and SD. But the Democrats have a large presence in the state because CA was founded by Progressives. Old money, neo-religious and tax-payer association group types make up the conservatives. A lot of east coast transplants adopt the freer, more social democratic values because they simply want to get away from the neo-con, sellout crap that happens from the corruption the poor city government structures have in the east.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:43 pmKatrina was an example of GOP and rightwing incompetence and racism, from the beginning to the end. nagin is and was a Republican, running as a Democrat. Bush allowed all that disaster just as he allowed 9/11. he’s a mass-murdering sociopath with no redeeming human values. Republican government has no trouble spendingbillions to bail out airlines and auto manufacturers, but won’t lift a finger when the poor, middle-class or people of color are endangered.
November 30th, 2007 at 6:19 pm“A lot of east coast transplants adopt the freer, more social democratic values because they simply want to get away from the neo-con, sellout crap that happens from the corruption the poor city government structures have in the east.”
Comment by sectionop92
And they get to San Diego, and see the city’s pension mess, with city officials taking more than they should for their retirement (including the former city’s attorney), and they begin to feel at home.
November 30th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThose on the ‘right’ side of things would say that this is just a comedian, a ‘hollywood’ elite whose opinion is not valid. Thank you Chris Rock,.
November 30th, 2007 at 8:21 pm“And they get to San Diego, and see the city’s pension mess, with city officials taking more than they should for their retirement (including the former city’s attorney), and they begin to feel at home.”
Comment by barfly
The one thing about the whole mess is at least it is getting cleaned up after much hand-wringing and Saunders actually showed he could go against the grain in regards to supporting gay marriage. He’s not the greatest mayor, but he’s serviceable. Then again, I’ll leave it to Rudy and his buddies to set new lows in corruption and cronism. I think you get a bit more accountability here in California, if not with the politicians, then with the electorate.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:12 pmThat was good. Leave it to Chris Rock to be able to tell it like it is.
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:01 pmKatrina and the SD fires are two completely different disasters. The fires affected a lot fewer people and houses, most roads and highways remained open, tv and radio stations remained open, warnings were given in a way that allowed a timely evacuation of just the people who were in danger, and much of the county was unaffected (except for air quality) which meant shelters and supplies were not only available, but were close. People didn’t have to worry that their jobs would be gone or that they might die of starvation or disease. In Katrina, nothing was available, roads were wiped out, emergency crews had a hard time getting in, and the horror didn’t end after the Hurricane subsided.
That said, SD is full of haves where New Orleans was full of have nots. That means that the resources were there to take care of those displaced by the fires. County residents donated more supplies than the relief workers could handle and lots of money poured in fast.
Fortunately, in SD we didn’t have to worry right away about Federal aid. In fact FEMA and George Bush were the furthest things from our minds. When talking to my friends and coworkers who were displaced by the fires, the only thing I heard mentioned about Bush was that his photo op visit was self-serving and offensive and that all he did was snarl up traffic. For security they closed roads into Rancho Bernardo the very day they started letting people return to their homes. They also had to ground aircraft including firefighting aircraft while the fires were still burning elsewhere.
So Chris Rock is right on when he compares Bush’s respsonse to the two disasters, but comparing the emergency response and the ease of recovery between the two is not comparing apples to apples.
Also, I must back up sectionop92 who said that not all of San Diego County is rich people. I make a middle class salary but can’t quite afford the cheapest home I could find in my area. I can’t afford earthquake insurance and I am not saving anything. If the fires had burned my house, my family and I would be in big trouble. It’s still not a fair comparison to many of the poor Katrina victims though because I could easily pick up and move to a more affordable place and recover in a few years.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:57 pm