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	<title>Comments on: Fleischer Contradicts Rove: We &#8216;Determined The Timing,&#8217; Karl &#8216;Just Has His Facts Wrong&#8217; On Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: Tender Chicken</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4175468</link>
		<dc:creator>Tender Chicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl Rove, a traitor to the United States.  What is it we do with traitors now?  What is it we do with those who commit treason?  I think we execute them, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl Rove, a traitor to the United States.  What is it we do with traitors now?  What is it we do with those who commit treason?  I think we execute them, yes?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4175468', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bernard quatermass</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernard quatermass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;just has his facts wrong&quot;

That little word &quot;just&quot; says so much, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just has his facts wrong&#8221;</p>
<p>That little word &#8220;just&#8221; says so much, doesn&#8217;t it?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4174374', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173904</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

You certainly have the right to blather what ever trash your black heart bleeds, but don&#039;t expect for it to pass unnoticed.  Feel free to slam me:

&quot;Andâ€¦.You are a two Faced Double Blogger.&quot;

What defines &quot;a two Faced Double Blogger&quot; is a real head scratcher . . . as is your decision regarding capitalization.  Nonetheless, feel free to name call.  I&#039;m not a &quot;greedy Jew&quot; but I know some Jews, I have family members that are Jews, I have a very greedy boss who captains an AIPAC agenda.  I can distinguish between good and evil, and I&#039;ve got you pegged.

No nation, party or blog is all good or all evil . . . it&#039;s just important to recognize that which is good, bad and implausible.  Your presence here is implausible.  You&#039;ve revealed your bill of goods and I&#039;m not buyin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>You certainly have the right to blather what ever trash your black heart bleeds, but don&#8217;t expect for it to pass unnoticed.  Feel free to slam me:</p>
<p>&#8220;Andâ€¦.You are a two Faced Double Blogger.&#8221;</p>
<p>What defines &#8220;a two Faced Double Blogger&#8221; is a real head scratcher . . . as is your decision regarding capitalization.  Nonetheless, feel free to name call.  I&#8217;m not a &#8220;greedy Jew&#8221; but I know some Jews, I have family members that are Jews, I have a very greedy boss who captains an AIPAC agenda.  I can distinguish between good and evil, and I&#8217;ve got you pegged.</p>
<p>No nation, party or blog is all good or all evil . . . it&#8217;s just important to recognize that which is good, bad and implausible.  Your presence here is implausible.  You&#8217;ve revealed your bill of goods and I&#8217;m not buyin&#8217;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173904', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173893</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn those greedy jews.  I think Hitler propagated that theory years ago . . . he shot himself in the head for having thought it.

Unfortunately, a Jewish nation also suffered the consequences.

Since when is this blog infested by antisematicism - so much so that antisemites have the courage to blather this trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn those greedy jews.  I think Hitler propagated that theory years ago . . . he shot himself in the head for having thought it.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, a Jewish nation also suffered the consequences.</p>
<p>Since when is this blog infested by antisematicism &#8211; so much so that antisemites have the courage to blather this trash.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173893', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173883</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian from Planet Arous:

You have a tendency to muddle issues, so dissecting, letâ€™s talk about your issue with Jews first.  You say
â€œ. . . the Right Wing of Israel, Likud/Zionists practically control the media in this country. . . .  Israel is as much of a problem to the peace of the world as the USA is. . . Our sorry state of affairs is caused by a multitude of problems, but greed is at the bottom of it. . . . investigate how much AIPAC gives to all of the Yaa-Hoo Pro War crowd, including Hillary Clinton.â€

So in your view, greedy Jews are as much of a problem as  the present administration?  Jews control the media and AIPAC funds the pro-war administration?  Did I get that right?

While I agree that AIPAC engages in some bad conduct, to assert that the â€œJew-controlled mediaâ€ is the enemy is just plain evil, anti-sematic and wrong.  Yes, Iâ€™ll jump in that lake and me and my Jewish family and friends will have a party.

With regard to your statement:  â€œThe media has been called forth to sell the war to willing populace, and not accurately report it. Calling the media â€œliberalâ€ is one of the best acts of Bizarro World propaganda.â€

I donâ€™t disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian from Planet Arous:</p>
<p>You have a tendency to muddle issues, so dissecting, letâ€™s talk about your issue with Jews first.  You say<br />
â€œ. . . the Right Wing of Israel, Likud/Zionists practically control the media in this country. . . .  Israel is as much of a problem to the peace of the world as the USA is. . . Our sorry state of affairs is caused by a multitude of problems, but greed is at the bottom of it. . . . investigate how much AIPAC gives to all of the Yaa-Hoo Pro War crowd, including Hillary Clinton.â€</p>
<p>So in your view, greedy Jews are as much of a problem as  the present administration?  Jews control the media and AIPAC funds the pro-war administration?  Did I get that right?</p>
<p>While I agree that AIPAC engages in some bad conduct, to assert that the â€œJew-controlled mediaâ€ is the enemy is just plain evil, anti-sematic and wrong.  Yes, Iâ€™ll jump in that lake and me and my Jewish family and friends will have a party.</p>
<p>With regard to your statement:  â€œThe media has been called forth to sell the war to willing populace, and not accurately report it. Calling the media â€œliberalâ€ is one of the best acts of Bizarro World propaganda.â€</p>
<p>I donâ€™t disagree.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173883', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: actesq</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173874</link>
		<dc:creator>actesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out &quot;Mantastic&quot;

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mantastic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out &#8220;Mantastic&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mantastic" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mantastic</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173874', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: actesq</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173873</link>
		<dc:creator>actesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Rove on Fox and was amazed how glib he is even as he refutes himself. And where is Wallace in this? What a load.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Rove on Fox and was amazed how glib he is even as he refutes himself. And where is Wallace in this? What a load.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173873', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain From Planet Arous</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173864</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain From Planet Arous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Your list is crap.

If you truly want to advocate liberal causes, start with the truth.

Comment by rockyroad â€” December 1, 2007 @ 9:51 pm&lt;/em&gt;

And....You are a two Faced Double Blogger. Liberal causes indeed!! Liberal causes are to push into the light all aspects of Pro War propaganda INCLUDING your nonsense of ignoring Israel&#039;s Dominant Nazi-Like Right Wing Party that is influencing US foreign policy in a major way. Pseudo-Liberals like yourself attempt to keep our eyes on Bush the Dummy, Cheney the Darth Vader, Gonzolas the Liar, Limbaugh the Drug Addict, and Coulter the Man. Meanwhile Israel getting away with what it does because of the smoke screen of the left-right fight. 

In fact, forget the title of Liberal and Conservative, and lets use the term Constitutionalist.

Next......... :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Your list is crap.</p>
<p>If you truly want to advocate liberal causes, start with the truth.</p>
<p>Comment by rockyroad â€” December 1, 2007 @ 9:51 pm</em></p>
<p>And&#8230;.You are a two Faced Double Blogger. Liberal causes indeed!! Liberal causes are to push into the light all aspects of Pro War propaganda INCLUDING your nonsense of ignoring Israel&#8217;s Dominant Nazi-Like Right Wing Party that is influencing US foreign policy in a major way. Pseudo-Liberals like yourself attempt to keep our eyes on Bush the Dummy, Cheney the Darth Vader, Gonzolas the Liar, Limbaugh the Drug Addict, and Coulter the Man. Meanwhile Israel getting away with what it does because of the smoke screen of the left-right fight. </p>
<p>In fact, forget the title of Liberal and Conservative, and lets use the term Constitutionalist.</p>
<p>Next&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; :))<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173864', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain From Planet Arous</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173845</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain From Planet Arous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I donâ€™t disagree . . . but when considering the terrible state of affairs in America today, it is silly to point the finger of blame at Isreal.

Kind of like blaming Iraq for the World Trade Center.

Comment by rockyroad â€” December 2, 2007 @ 9:10 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Iraq and Israel are two different situations. Again, and it bears repeating, the Right Wing of Israel, Likud/Zionists practically control the media in this country. The military industrial complex is dependent on a willing populace. The media has been called forth to sell the war to willing populace, and not accurately report it. Calling the media &quot;liberal&quot; is one of the best acts of Bizarro World propaganda.

Our sorry state of affairs is caused by a multitude of problems, but greed is at the bottom of it. You can throw in pesticides, hormones, Aspartame, SSRIs, linear drugs, militarized dumbed-down culture, and Fear itself. 

Israel is as much of a problem to the peace of the world as the USA is, and to ignore it is just plain foolish. Anybody that thinks it is &quot;anti-Semitic&quot;can go jump in the same lake as when they say it is &quot;racist&quot; to criticize Sharpton or Rap music. In fact, I think you would do yourself a favor, and investigate how much AIPAC gives to all of the Yaa-Hoo Pro War crowd, including Hillary Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I donâ€™t disagree . . . but when considering the terrible state of affairs in America today, it is silly to point the finger of blame at Isreal.</p>
<p>Kind of like blaming Iraq for the World Trade Center.</p>
<p>Comment by rockyroad â€” December 2, 2007 @ 9:10 pm</em></p>
<p>Iraq and Israel are two different situations. Again, and it bears repeating, the Right Wing of Israel, Likud/Zionists practically control the media in this country. The military industrial complex is dependent on a willing populace. The media has been called forth to sell the war to willing populace, and not accurately report it. Calling the media &#8220;liberal&#8221; is one of the best acts of Bizarro World propaganda.</p>
<p>Our sorry state of affairs is caused by a multitude of problems, but greed is at the bottom of it. You can throw in pesticides, hormones, Aspartame, SSRIs, linear drugs, militarized dumbed-down culture, and Fear itself. </p>
<p>Israel is as much of a problem to the peace of the world as the USA is, and to ignore it is just plain foolish. Anybody that thinks it is &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221;can go jump in the same lake as when they say it is &#8220;racist&#8221; to criticize Sharpton or Rap music. In fact, I think you would do yourself a favor, and investigate how much AIPAC gives to all of the Yaa-Hoo Pro War crowd, including Hillary Clinton.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173845', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173820</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian from Planet Arous - 

Re:  With all due respect . . .

You make good points.  My point is that the Israeli right, like the Russians, the Arabs and every other right wing branch of a country with an agenda is not the biggest problem that America faces . . . the primary problem is right here at home.  I have seen the enemy and it is us.

We have allowed the presidency to be stolen through misconduct that reaches to the highest offices of our government, our president and Supreme Court, we have permitted ourselves to be duped into a disasterous war, we have permitted media consolidation and thereby consolidated the voices that inform us.  We have permitted lobbyists and money from whatever sources to determine American policy.  We have left destitute Gulf Coast citizens while spending billions and sacrificing American lives for a sham in Iraq.  You describe explosive growth in and the power of the military-industrial complex as a &quot;juggernaut.&quot;  An apt description.  The efforts of conglomerates to purchase media companies to advance their commercial agendas has resulted in media consolidation and in the media becoming a mouthpiece for the administration.  Michael Powell, as Chair of the FCC cut deals with moguls to insure loyalty to Bush as a condition of consolidation . . . so not only does the public get GE&#039;s corporate message, but that of the administration, whose ass GE kissed to get its media gems.

I don&#039;t disagree . . . but when considering the terrible state of affairs in America today, it is silly to point the finger of blame at Isreal.

Kind of like blaming Iraq for the World Trade Center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian from Planet Arous &#8211; </p>
<p>Re:  With all due respect . . .</p>
<p>You make good points.  My point is that the Israeli right, like the Russians, the Arabs and every other right wing branch of a country with an agenda is not the biggest problem that America faces . . . the primary problem is right here at home.  I have seen the enemy and it is us.</p>
<p>We have allowed the presidency to be stolen through misconduct that reaches to the highest offices of our government, our president and Supreme Court, we have permitted ourselves to be duped into a disasterous war, we have permitted media consolidation and thereby consolidated the voices that inform us.  We have permitted lobbyists and money from whatever sources to determine American policy.  We have left destitute Gulf Coast citizens while spending billions and sacrificing American lives for a sham in Iraq.  You describe explosive growth in and the power of the military-industrial complex as a &#8220;juggernaut.&#8221;  An apt description.  The efforts of conglomerates to purchase media companies to advance their commercial agendas has resulted in media consolidation and in the media becoming a mouthpiece for the administration.  Michael Powell, as Chair of the FCC cut deals with moguls to insure loyalty to Bush as a condition of consolidation . . . so not only does the public get GE&#8217;s corporate message, but that of the administration, whose ass GE kissed to get its media gems.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree . . . but when considering the terrible state of affairs in America today, it is silly to point the finger of blame at Isreal.</p>
<p>Kind of like blaming Iraq for the World Trade Center.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173820', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain From Planet Arous</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173799</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain From Planet Arous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Letâ€™s see. Saddam has been deposed and 8 million Iraqis went to the polls to choose their own leaders. Republicans should be ashamed.

Comment by CaptainMantastic â€” December 2, 2007 @ 1:04 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Let&#039;s see, 1 million Iraqis killed, 4000 American Troops Killed, 25,000 Seriously injured, Oil price doubled, Pakistan about to be taken over by another coup, China and Saudi Arabia own the USA, North Korea blowing off nukes, The USA is the most hated country on the planet,  and our Constitution ripped to shreds as well as a Military Industrial Complex owned Media posing as a &quot;Liberal&quot; media.

Heck of a Job, Bedbuglicans!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Letâ€™s see. Saddam has been deposed and 8 million Iraqis went to the polls to choose their own leaders. Republicans should be ashamed.</p>
<p>Comment by CaptainMantastic â€” December 2, 2007 @ 1:04 pm</em></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, 1 million Iraqis killed, 4000 American Troops Killed, 25,000 Seriously injured, Oil price doubled, Pakistan about to be taken over by another coup, China and Saudi Arabia own the USA, North Korea blowing off nukes, The USA is the most hated country on the planet,  and our Constitution ripped to shreds as well as a Military Industrial Complex owned Media posing as a &#8220;Liberal&#8221; media.</p>
<p>Heck of a Job, Bedbuglicans!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173799', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain From Planet Arous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brain From Planet Arous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also want to add that the USA first placed Nuclear missiles pointed at Russia from Turkey BEFORE Russia put them in Cuba. What children are being taught about history leaves out 1/2 of the information. This is called Information Cleansing and Half Truths. Kennedy and Khrushchev did not want war, but the Nazi and Military Industrial Complex infested KGB and CIA did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also want to add that the USA first placed Nuclear missiles pointed at Russia from Turkey BEFORE Russia put them in Cuba. What children are being taught about history leaves out 1/2 of the information. This is called Information Cleansing and Half Truths. Kennedy and Khrushchev did not want war, but the Nazi and Military Industrial Complex infested KGB and CIA did.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173424', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain From Planet Arous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brain From Planet Arous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;#63. With all due respect . . . since 1963? Damn. 

Comment by rockyroad â€” December 2, 2007 @ 12:36 am&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, and JFK was adamantly opposed to Israel possessing Nuclear Weapons, as well as escalation in Vietnam He wanted to basically dismantle the CIA, was thought of as a &quot;communist&quot;, and to top it off, was sleeping with Mafia mob bosses wives. This time was a watershed moment in modern American history. 1947 may have been the year the USA started placing ex-Nazis in power through Paperclip, but 1963 was when &quot;The King was crucified&quot; in front of the world. Eisenhower&#039;s warning in 1961 about &quot;The Military Industrial Complex&quot; was now in it&#039;s earlier stages. The next summer, the staged Gulf of Tonkin was set, and with the exception of the late 1960s early 1970s halting it&#039;s juggernaut, we have been brainwashed into believing militarization is the way to go. Now, the media is essentially run by this Military Industrial Complex, and even the most popular entertainers in respective music genres (Britney Spears, 50 Cent, Toby Keith) are big Bush/War supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>#63. With all due respect . . . since 1963? Damn. </p>
<p>Comment by rockyroad â€” December 2, 2007 @ 12:36 am</em></p>
<p>Yes, and JFK was adamantly opposed to Israel possessing Nuclear Weapons, as well as escalation in Vietnam He wanted to basically dismantle the CIA, was thought of as a &#8220;communist&#8221;, and to top it off, was sleeping with Mafia mob bosses wives. This time was a watershed moment in modern American history. 1947 may have been the year the USA started placing ex-Nazis in power through Paperclip, but 1963 was when &#8220;The King was crucified&#8221; in front of the world. Eisenhower&#8217;s warning in 1961 about &#8220;The Military Industrial Complex&#8221; was now in it&#8217;s earlier stages. The next summer, the staged Gulf of Tonkin was set, and with the exception of the late 1960s early 1970s halting it&#8217;s juggernaut, we have been brainwashed into believing militarization is the way to go. Now, the media is essentially run by this Military Industrial Complex, and even the most popular entertainers in respective music genres (Britney Spears, 50 Cent, Toby Keith) are big Bush/War supporters.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173421', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Shadow</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173375</link>
		<dc:creator>The Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Captain Maniac what happened to &quot;Our troop will stand down when their troops stand up&quot;, or did you forget that part.  Of course the so called &quot;surge&quot; is working.  If you put 15,000 cops in a bad part of any city 24 hours a day, crime will go down.  Once they leave crime goes right back up, it doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.  By the way, this particular article wasn&#039;t about the surge, it is about how Rove lied to spread propaganda and change history.  That seems Clintonian to me, how bout you?  You morons who claim to be conservative Republicans cry foul when others try to change history, but for you it&#039;s &quot;setting the facts straight&quot;.  The ironic thing is most if not all Republicans are militaristic fools who are hurting democracy by supporting tin horns wanna be dictators clothed in the American flag (Republican) elected officials.  These men don&#039;t care about America or Americans, they crave power for power and that&#039;s the bottom line.  They don&#039;t care about what you really think, they use wedge issues to get fools like you to vote for them.  You wouldn&#039;t be welcome at the Country Club in the Hamptons, now would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Captain Maniac what happened to &#8220;Our troop will stand down when their troops stand up&#8221;, or did you forget that part.  Of course the so called &#8220;surge&#8221; is working.  If you put 15,000 cops in a bad part of any city 24 hours a day, crime will go down.  Once they leave crime goes right back up, it doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.  By the way, this particular article wasn&#8217;t about the surge, it is about how Rove lied to spread propaganda and change history.  That seems Clintonian to me, how bout you?  You morons who claim to be conservative Republicans cry foul when others try to change history, but for you it&#8217;s &#8220;setting the facts straight&#8221;.  The ironic thing is most if not all Republicans are militaristic fools who are hurting democracy by supporting tin horns wanna be dictators clothed in the American flag (Republican) elected officials.  These men don&#8217;t care about America or Americans, they crave power for power and that&#8217;s the bottom line.  They don&#8217;t care about what you really think, they use wedge issues to get fools like you to vote for them.  You wouldn&#8217;t be welcome at the Country Club in the Hamptons, now would you?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173375', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by muckdog â€” December 1, 2007 @ 10:14 pm

suckdog, renew your prescription. your delusions are overtaking reality again.</description>
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<p>suckdog, renew your prescription. your delusions are overtaking reality again.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173373', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sabyen91</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>delafield, that was a link for freedom.  I think a little debunking is in order for these hacks :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom&#039;s_Watch

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/30/news/watch.php

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003913758_freedomwatch30.html

Most conservatives really hate MoveOn.org for its obvious political bent.  These guys say they are the conservative MoveOn.

Oh, here is the best link to them...by conservatives (who don&#039;t like Jews).

http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_08/article1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>delafield, that was a link for freedom.  I think a little debunking is in order for these hacks :)</p>
<p>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom&#8217;s_Watch</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/30/news/watch.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/30/news/watch.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003913758_freedomwatch30.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003913758_freedomwatch30.html</a></p>
<p>Most conservatives really hate MoveOn.org for its obvious political bent.  These guys say they are the conservative MoveOn.</p>
<p>Oh, here is the best link to them&#8230;by conservatives (who don&#8217;t like Jews).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_08/article1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_08/article1.html</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173352', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: delafield</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173346</link>
		<dc:creator>delafield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry. For some reason the link in #70 was chopped off. Let&#039;s see if this one works.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedom&#039;s_Watch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry. For some reason the link in #70 was chopped off. Let&#8217;s see if this one works.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedom" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedom</a>&#8217;s_Watch<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173346', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: delafield</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173343</link>
		<dc:creator>delafield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53 - Thank you for your list Brian. I apologize if my question offended anyone but if Ari Fleischer and his sponsors at Freedom Watch want to drag America into a war with Iran then I think we should know more about them. Here is a link that will shine a little light on these slimeballs..... 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedom&#039;s_Watch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53 &#8211; Thank you for your list Brian. I apologize if my question offended anyone but if Ari Fleischer and his sponsors at Freedom Watch want to drag America into a war with Iran then I think we should know more about them. Here is a link that will shine a little light on these slimeballs&#8230;.. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedom" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedom</a>&#8217;s_Watch<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173343', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MANTASTIC!

WTF?

Twilight zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MANTASTIC!</p>
<p>WTF?</p>
<p>Twilight zone.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173312', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/fleischer-dispute-rove-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4173310</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Captain Mantastic&quot;!? You&#039;ve got to be kidding.

Nothing after that even matches the list (see above).

Unbelieveable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Captain Mantastic&#8221;!? You&#8217;ve got to be kidding.</p>
<p>Nothing after that even matches the list (see above).</p>
<p>Unbelieveable.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4173310', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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