Craig: I’m still not gay.
After the Idaho Stateman reported five separate new accounts of gay men claiming to have encounters with Larry Craig (in addition to three earlier reports), the Idaho senator has responded by sticking with his claim that he’s never been gay. A statement from Craig:
It is unfortunate that the Idaho Statesman has chosen to continue to lower itself to the standards of what can best be described as tabloid journalism. Like its previous coverage, these latest allegations are completely false and have no basis in reality.
In fact, the paper itself states that these baseless accusations contain no definitive evidence yet they still decided to print them anyway. However, despite the fact the Idaho Statesman has decided to pursue its own agenda and print these falsehoods without any facts to back them up, I won’t let this paper’s attempt to malign my name stop me from continuing my work to serve the people of Idaho.
In August, Craig said it was the Idaho paper’s fault that he pled guilty to disorderly conduct.
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I never had sex with Larry Craig.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmI wonder if the GOP will find five men to claim that Larry Craig is not a Republican…
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:18 pmThe Idaho Stateman must has done an in-depth investigation of these mens’ allegations, knowing the consequences for being proved wrong. He’s cooked.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 pmI have sympathy for Larry Craig. His life must be hell, living a lie and hating who he is.
But politically, for Democrats he’s the gift that keep on giving.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:21 pmWhat a true republican Craig represents. A lying sexually repressed homophobic gay, aggressively targeting strangers … and with no shame about his and his continuing hypocrisy.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:22 pmHas anyone ever thought to try to pin Larry down by asking if he’s bi?
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:28 pmThat poor cocksucker has split personality.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 pmLarry Craig is a sad, sad little man. We know that he has solicited for sex in an airport men’s room. How do we know? Well, he was caught in a sting and then plead guilty. I, for one, am willing to take him at his word about that. As to being gay, well, clearly his wife and kids would argue for a bisexual designation at least. Gender identity is complex stuff. Maybe he really does think that one can hire male prostitutes and have sex with men without being gay or bisexual. Or, being a Republican, he’s probably just lying to save his skin.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmI see the troll has nothing to say on the topic. Too bad it still feels compelled to speak when it has nothing to say.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:32 pm#5: I have sympathy for Larry Craig. His life must be hell, living a lie and hating who he is.
I don’t have that much sympathy in this case. Yes, generally I have great sympathy for closeted gays. I have much less sympathy for a politicians who makes his political living by pandering to the worst homophobic impulses of his constituency.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmNotice how Craig is not denying his disgusting predator public bathroom habits, but is denying being gay? Doesn’t this tell all his prejudices?
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmso in Craig’s world, it is OK to seek and do sex with strangers in public, but it is not OK to be gay.
The face of the Republican Party is staring at you through a gloryhole.
-GSD
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmCan you guess which one is not telling the truth?
Craig: I’m Not Gay
Rove: Dems forced Bush to bomb Iraq
Rumsfeld: We know where the WMD is.
Cheney: The insurgency is in its last throes
Bush: We don’t torture
Rice: “Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US” is historical information.
(queue Jeopardy music…)
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmGive up, none of them were telling the truth. They’re all GOPers.
Last I heard, it was up to 8. I think it was split between men who had sex with Criag, and men who had been approached by Craig.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmLarry is a product of the pass when men had to hide the fact they were gay. Most of Larry’s friends in Washington of the same age group are themselves closet gays. Notice the nice group picture of the Boys Club and it’s members all with the same problem. Larry did what most Americans did during that time, he married a woman with kids to cover up the truth.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:05 pmLarry has had a long ride with this cover up as have others. It’s time to stand up and just say I’m gay and proud of it. Larry will never be re elected so it’s safe now. I always wondered by the GOP protected Fingers Foley so long and why they allowed him to molest the pages for so many years. As this group had their own secrets, so everyone protected each other.
Craig might not “be gay,” but those guys he is having sex with appear to be gay.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:05 pmWhy doesn’t he say something along the lines of that he **USED** to be gay but was converted ?
Even that would be more believable and would actually play well with the neocon base.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 pmOops. Larry Craig actually married his current wife just after he denied (without actually being accused) having inappropriate contact with male pages in 1982. Larry Craig adopted his wife’s three children. He also does deny being either gay or bisexual so he can’t weasel out that way. The verdict, typical Republican liar.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/226703.html
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 pmLarry Flint isn’t offering anything, and yet will probably still fnd 1000 men who have had sex with Craig, who is not gay. and this will be the fault of the polarizing internet, which has forced the not-gay Larry Craig to solicit police officers for not-gay man-on-man sex. the question is, what will cold half-left’s Craig’s excuse be when deflecting the sex-with-pages scandal of the early 80s? Jimmy Carter?
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:14 pmSo according to your standard, Tom Cruise must also be gay.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
Is there any question about that? Except that maybe he’s bi? What’s your point, dearmcruiser? that you’re a naif?
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 pmLarry Craig’s chin has been hit by more pickles than the floor of a Vlassic factory.
-GSD
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmNo one is claiming you are gay, Mr. Craig. It’s clear and evident that you are bisexual.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 pmI don’t think Tom Cruise has ever plead guilty to soliciting gay sex in a men’s room. I know Republicans are suspicious of objective reality, but where is the wiggle room when the guy plead guilty to the crime? He’s a United States Senator, intimately familiar with the law and wealthy enough to hire a lawyer, not some kid who didn’t have access to adequate legal aid.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 pmBush has allowed the insurgents to get some money, weapons and re-group only to return after the ’surge’ is over.
What is the Arabic word for “Tet Offensive”?
-GSD
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 pmThe trolls in this thread are so pathetic, they’re almost funny.
Apparently, the idea that Sen Craig might just be gay hurts them too much and they have to rally in his defence.
Trolls, here is a newflash: Craig already pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. He is gay. Suck it up.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmThe cult of personality destruction.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
are you one of Cruise’s lovers as well? You’re awfully defensive about that whole thing. And who, exactly had to retract claims Cruise was gay and admit they lied? Aren’t you the one following the gossip rags to come up with such a bullshit line?
You’re so thick. I was playing on your irrelevant line comparing Cruise to Craig. Craig is a confessed pervert; Cruise just a suspected one. UYou brought it up, so stop your whining and go back to propositioning your local cops in rest area johns. maybe you’ll get a little vacation and we can get your stench out of this blog.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmComment by GSD — December 2, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
bush is Osama’s favorite. Even Rummie wasn’t as generous to terrorists as Bush has been.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmWhat is that tap, tap tapping at my door, er stall?
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 pmIn this situation, why would Craig opt to fight the police officer in court, where by the entire ordeal would be made public?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
So you are admitting that Craig committed the crime of perversion and homosexual pandering? the judge lowered the charges, doing the congressman a solid. fortunately for Americans everywhere, the dangerous pervert Craig was outed, and is now receiving the punishment he deserves.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 pmIn this situation, why would Craig opt to fight the police officer in court, where by the entire ordeal would be made public?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
He didn’t fight the police officer and the whole ordeal still became public. Time to rethink your apology.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmLooks like Mr. Police Officer lied.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Homo-Craig didn’t even say the police officer lied. Nice attempt to apologize for your reich-winger.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 pmIn this situation, why would Craig opt to fight the police officer in court, where by the entire ordeal would be made public?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
an innocent American, especially a Congressman, with that much clout and money, would most certainly fight the charges. only a guilty man would cop to it, and Craig is way too stupid to represent the people of his district. he sjhould be tossed by the leadership, but Republicans have no morals, so that won’t happen. Hastert left because the heat was rising in his role of protecting Craig and his page-rapist buddies. the republican party is a cesspool of perverts, liars, traitors and thieves, led by sociopathic mass-murderers.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 pmHe didn’t have to confess to being a perv, his actions spoke much louder than any words…
When was the last time you passed your hand under the stall?
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:47 pmCraig plead guilty in order to make the matter go away, he didn’t admit to being gay, or soliciting gay sex. Read the police transcript. At no time does he ever confess to being a “pervertâ€. At no time does he ever confess to soliciting sex. At no time does he ever confess to being gay.
But hey, why bother with facts, eh? He’s a Republican. Must be true.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
why was he arrested? the disorderly conduct charge was a favor. he was guilty of that, in any event, but the initial charges were dropped. Republicanslove that sort of treatment, but when the rubber hits the road, when the real story comes out and is confirmed by several others, then they have no credibility? what a cheap piece of shit you are, you partisan hack moron. go back to jerking off over tom cruise pictures. Craig is a homosexual hypocrite, that’s a fact, with plenty of eveidence and proof. cruise may or may not be, who cares? why did you bring it up?
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmNote to trolls:
Court transcripts are public. The police officer didn’t leak anything to the media. He didn’t have to. Sen Craig should have known the report of his arrest would be eventually reach the media.
His real problem is not that he is gay, but that he is not very bright.
Oh, let’s not forget Craig already pleaded guilty to lewd conduct. He cannot argue innocence after admitting his guilt. End of story.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 pmAt the prices Larry Flint is offering, he can probably get 1,000 men to claim they had sex with Larry Craig.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 2, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
Any probably only half of them will be telling the truth!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:00 amCraig may very well be gay, may very well have solicited gay sex, but there is simply no factual basis, at this time, to corroborate that. All of you jumping on this are guilty of condemning a man simply due to his political party affiliation.
Innocent before proven guilty - except if you’re a Republican.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
and yet several men have come forward, admitting to having sex with Craig. why are Republicans never guilty, even if caught? must be some partisan hack’s claim that closetted republican congressmen can claim their innocence in the face of such overwhelming evidence, including a guilty plea. What a crybaby you are, tomcruiser. I can only infer that you, too, are in the closet, and deathly afriad of being outed, for you to take this tortured ‘logic” to such lengths. Graig is a gay cruiser of public restrooms, caught in the act. He pled guilty. There is no “innocent” here. the fact that he’s a republican is unremarkable, as he seems to be rather typical of your party of perverts. the focus on this is because of his anti-gay “stances”, wide or not, throughout his career, when he could find the tie to legislate, between cruising for cops and soliciting underage pages.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:02 amHe cannot argue innocence after admitting his guilt. End of story.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 2, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Gregor, you’re using “facts” and “logic” here. You should know by now that trolls simply can’t understand either.
It’s kind of like dogs - they can hear sounds humans can’t.
Whilst trolls can grasp somethings quite firmly, and do constantly, repeatedly, over and over again, “facts” and “logic” aren’t amongst the items they do grab.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:04 amso, tomcruiser, how did you get the transcript? and why would you accuse a police officer of lying? do you know this to be true? why haven’t you brought charges against this lying cop?
It’s a loser, for both you and Wide-stance Larry. put it behind you (so to speak).
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:05 amInnocent before proven guilty - except if you’re a Republican.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 2, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Stupid is as stupid does…
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:05 amIf we are to believe the Craig apologists, everyone is out to get Sen Craig: The police officer who arrested him, the media, Larry Flint, bloggers. Why, maybe even the judge who handed down the sentence is part of this “conspiracy” against Craig.
Fact is, Sen Craig was arrested in June and pleaded guilty in August. He had about a month to consider his options.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:09 amA couple guys saying they had sex with him isn’t evidence any more than those guys who claimed to have had sex with Tom Cruise was evidence.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Craig voluntarily pleaded guilty. Such a simple fact seems to totally overwhelm your simple mind.
So sad… NEXT!!!!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:09 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 3, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Their defense of Sen Craig is getting to be surreal, quite frankly.
He pleaded guilty almost a month after his arrest. His plea was not forced by coercion, or threats. And as a lawmaker, he should have known what his legal options were.
It is scary that people this incompetent and un-bright manage to get elected into Congress.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:12 amActually, make that two months.
I thought Craig had been arrested by the end of June, when in reality his arrest happened at the beginning of that month.
He pleaded guilty in Aug 8. That would make it almost two months between his arrest and his guilty plea.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 amBTW the cops didn’t leak this, it became public record and the media sniffed it out from public records…
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:18 amIt is scary that people this incompetent and un-bright manage to get elected into Congress.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 3, 2007 @ 12:12 am
Ya mean like having someone like Ted Stevens on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, or having Mark Foley introduce the Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention Act of 2002??? I wonder if Mark was, ahem, “sending text-messages” whilst they were debating this bill on the floor?
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 am“Court transcripts are public.â€
They weren’t in court. Taped police interrogations are not typically made public. Nice try.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Now, I know this is a stretch for ya, but this is your chance to prove you’re not as stupid as you appear. Whilst the taped interrogations might not be made public, the COURT TRANSCRIPTS are the COURT TRANSCRIPTS.
Once Craig VOLUNTARILY pled guilty of ,HIS OWN FREE VOLITION, transcripts of that were made public.
Get help… YOU NEED IT!!!!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 amThey weren’t in court. Taped police interrogations are not typically made public. Nice try.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:20 am
And Roll Call broke the news of Craig’s arrest from the police arrest report, which is public. That’s the point I was making.
The taped interrogation, on the other hand, were made public by the Minneapolis airport authorities. There was no “leak” by the police officer who arrested Craig.
I guess we can add the Minneapolis airport authorities to the list of people who are “out to get” Sen Craig.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 amWhy won’t that confounded newspaper stop making Larry Craig have sex with other men? Have they no decency?
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 am“You are stringing a man up based on allegations by a handful of people, none of which they have proved with any documentation…”
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Naaah… we’re not stringing him up, we’re just laughing at him the GOP, and YOU.
Now, these are the guys who REALLY want to string him up!
(Pssst… it’s his fellow GOOPers…!!!)
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ washington/ 2007-08-29-hoekstra-craig_N.htm
Lawmakers Call For Craig To Resign
By Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Several Republican lawmakers called on Sen. Larry Craig to quit Wednesday, and the party’s Senate leaders stripped him of his committee posts, a day after the Idaho Republican recanted his guilty plea on charges stemming from his arrest in a public restroom.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 amNone of my gay friends troll for sex in public restrooms so perhaps Craig is right. It’s more of a republican thing than a gay thing.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 amGeez, it’s just like poor mark Foley all over again…
A nasty rumor breaks out, and the GOOP can’t wait to throw one of their own overboard!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:31 amTalk about viscious!!!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:31 amObviously the police officer was out to get him, that’s how a sting operation works, even when they catch someone in the sting that isn’t actually doing what they’re out to get.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:28 am
Right. The police officer sat there, in ambush, waiting for Sen Craig to get specifically to that restroom, to the stall right next to his. Right.
And by the way, Roll Call obtained Craig’s guilty plea from the court records, which are also public.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:32 amIt’s more of a republican thing than a gay thing.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — December 3, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Ya mean like that guy from McCain’s election committee???
Ouch!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:32 amWho cares about facts though?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:28 am
Clearly you don’t.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 amNor do the Republicans in Congress who asked him to resign and now shun him. So sad… so sad…
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:34 amPoor Sen Larry Craig.
Everyone is out to get him out of partisan hate: The arresting police officer, the judge, Larry Flint, the Minneapolis airport authorities.
It’s the world vs. Larry Craig. He’s so lucky to have DreamCrusher to vouch for his character, and be willing to defend him even though he already pleaded guilty.
/sarcasm off
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 amComment by Gregor Samsa — December 3, 2007 @ 12:36 am
And the Senate Republican leadership, too, Gregor.
Those guys just ooze partisan hatred out of every pore.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:39 amShort DreamCrusher: Sen Craig is not gay, he’s just stupid.
(I am sure Craig appreciates your help, DreamCrusher)
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:39 amJust like you don’t need a grand conspiracy for Democrats to hate Bush.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:38 am
Yer finally right, dumdum. We don’t need a grand conspiracy to hate Bush. 70% PLUS of us simply hate him for his incompetency, his delusions of grandeur, his corruption, and his murderous self-importance.
All we need are the facts, just the facts, ma’m…
You desperately need help, but first, you must ask for it.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:41 am“I guess we can add the Minneapolis airport authorities to the list of people who are “out to get†Sen Craig.â€
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:38 am
And the Senate Republican leadership, who asked him to resign and now shun him.
Hmmm… yer right, it’s beginning to look like a conspiracy. Curse those Senate Republicans for destroying an innocent man’s career!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:43 amPoor troll. It is almost sad to look at him fighting for air down there.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:46 amthe Idaho senator has responded by sticking with his claim that he’s never been gay.
It’s not gay if you are on top, right?
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:48 amYes, but who would have known to look for it?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:38 am
It.Does.Not.Matter.
Fact remains they are public. Anyone looking for dirt on Sen Craig would have found them eventually. Anyone. Because they are public
Sen Craig is beyond stupid for not realising that.
The police officer assured Craig that he wouldn’t leak to the media, yet it was leaked to the media.
Aaww… the police office made a promise he was in no position to keep because the decision on whether or not to release the tapes is not his to make. And he did this in order to obtain a confession.
Would you rather have the police use “enhanced interrogation techniques” instead?
In the end, it was leaked.
It was released by the airport authorities, and publicly done. There was no behind the scenes “leak”.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 amWhat part of that do you not understand? Are you illiterate? Or just an idiot?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Excuse me, are you addressing this to the Senate Republican leadership??
Because they’re the ones who stripped him of his committee seats, asked him to resign, and now shun him!!!
We just laugh at him , *sswipe, and of course, YOU!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
This is gittin surreal!
What part of the sentence, “Dreamcrusher is breath takingly stupid.” do you not understand? Oh, excuse me… ALL… of… it!!!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… (man, tha’s fun ta do…)
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:50 amWhat part of that do you not understand? Are you illiterate? Or just an idiot?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:45 am
I, one the other hand, have no doubt in my mind you are both illiterate and an idiot.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:51 amThis has nothing to do with party politics, and everything to do with the simple damn fact that Craig has, so far, not proven to be gay nor having solicited gay sex.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Yeaaahhh… that’s why the Senate Republican leadership stipped him of his committe seats, asked him to resign, and now shun him.
Geez, I think I’m gittin’ carpal tunnel from dealing w/ this cretin.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:52 amComment by Gregor Samsa — December 3, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Would that make him an illiterate idiot?
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:52 amThis has nothing to do with party politics, and everything to do with the simple damn fact that Craig has, so far, not proven to be gay nor having solicited gay sex.
Comment by DreamCrusher
Just the confession.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:53 amOr just an obstreperous maroon?
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:54 amFacts be damned! I have a political agenda to move forward!
- Dreamcrusher
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 amQuit pretending you’re not a partisan hate monger.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Ya mean, just like the Senate Republican leadership that stripped Craig of his committee assignments, asked him to resign, and now shun him?
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:56 amYep, Li’l Dreamy’s git it figgered out.
Some 70% PLUS of the population have been conspiring for years to simply HATE BUSH!
Damn, we’ve been outted! Tha jig is up!
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 amSee, I operate on facts and evidence.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Like the fact that he pleaded guilty in a court of law somehow doesn’t mean that he is actually guilty. Is that your version of “facts”?
You hacks operate on partisan directive.
Aw shucks, I didn’t get the memo.
I don’t give a damn whether he’s gay or not.
Yes, you do. That’s why you are here arguing.
You’re all screaming at me for pointing out the fact that you’re all guilty of demonizing someone simply because they’re of the wrong political party.
Right, I hate him because of his party, not because he is a hypocritical liar who trolls public restrooms for sex while condemning gay men. You got me there. Right.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 amI don’t hate Larry craig, but I think it’s hysterically funny, especially the part about the Senate Republican leadership that couldn’t wait to strip him of his committee seats, ask him to resign, and now shun him.
Boy!~ talk about partisan hatred… oh wait, Craig is a GOOPer too.
Never mind…
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:00 amDreamcruiser is inhabiting Larry Craig’s mind, while everybody else inhabits Larry’s stance. you’re done, Creamcruiser, and when Craig steps down and is destroyed forever, his life in shambles, his family gone, you will still be a partisan hack, defending an admitted, guilty pervert. You must be empathizing for some reason. is your stance also wide?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 amAh yes, someone who hates Craig spontaneously thought, hey, I’ll check the court records in Hennepin county in Minnesota to see if Larry Craig has plead guilty to anything!
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Right. A US Senator is arrested, pleads guilty to lewd conduct, and nobody in the court system (not a clerk, not a bailiff) thinks it’s newsworthy. Nobody at all. It must have been the police office who also happened to be a Craig-hater.
Your posts become more and more laughable as time goes by.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 amUnless you’re suggesting that Craig’s opponents are omniscient beings, you’re demonstrating that you don’t want to know the truth.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:00 am
Craig’s opponents??
Now you’ve gone too far!!! You’re maligning the Senate Republican leadership her, pal… the guys who stripped him of his committee seats, asked him to resign, and now shun him!
Curse those heartless, cruel Republicans!
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 amComment by Lefty Patriot — December 3, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Creamcruiser??? Ewww…
I gotta wash my eyes out now, and my computer.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:03 amUnless you’re suggesting that Craig’s opponents are omniscient beings, you’re demonstrating that you don’t want to know the truth.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:00 am
You’re the one suggesting omniscience, cruiser. in the face of all evidence, including a guilty plea, and testimony now made public by several of Craig’s partners, you will allow this dangerous pervert to walk among decent people, all the while using his power to molest pages and try to lie his way out of being caught in a sting by professional police officers. you are defending a pervert that even his own party has abandoned, and you can bet the farm that they all know exactly who he is and what he’s done. you lose. craig goes, and america wins.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:06 amI used to hate Bush because he was an evil, worthless little shit. now i hate him for really good reasons. he being a Republican is just the frosting.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 amAnd Gregor, you are very incurious as to who tipped Roll Call off to the plea chilling in the records of the Court of Hennepin County.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:00 am
Let’s try this one more time: It could have been anyone. A US Senator was arrested and pleaded guilty.
Anybody in the court system could have tipped a newspaper. Court and police records are public. Believe it or not, newspapers are willing to pay anyone who can give them juicy tidbits on a public figure in order to drive up readership.
Unless you’re suggesting that Craig’s opponents are omniscient beings, you’re demonstrating that you don’t want to know the truth.
Ah, yes, cue the “X Files” theme in the background.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 amyou lose. craig goes, and america wins.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — December 3, 2007 @ 1:06 am
Amazing performance on Creamcruiser’s part, huh?
How does he type so fast w/ just one hand? Just pounding and pounding and pounding away in the dark, all alone in Mom’s basement, and occasionally posting an insane rant online too! :-D!!!
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 amI gotta wash my eyes out now, and my computer.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 3, 2007 @ 1:03 am
that was a typo, which I caught, but had to leave. Too perfect.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 amhas dc left? there must be a rerun of”risky business” on cable somewhere.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:10 am“So according to your standard, Tom Cruise must also be gay.”
Oh, come on, what planet do you live on?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 amNow, who would be interested in telling the media that a Republican senator plead guilty to a misdemeanor?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:12 am
Anybody short in cash and willing to sell the story to the highest bidder?
No? That is not a possibility?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:15 amToo perfect.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — December 3, 2007 @ 1:09 am
Geez, ya coulda fooled me. I thought it was hysterical.
I just figured this out, I think. Creamcruise IS Larry Craig, here trying to redeem his trashed reputation. S’plains things PERFECTLY, don’t it?
Geez, Larry, we apologize for laughin’ at ya like that, but what about those bastards in the Senate? Ya know, the ones who stripped ya of yer committee seats, asked ya to resign, and now shun ya!
Those guys are the REAl b*st*rds here, Larry. Not us.
We just laugh at ya, over and over again, just like we laught at Creamcruiser… oh wait, yer the same person!
Anyways…
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:15 amAn opponent of Republicans/Craig, perhaps?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:12 am
Ya mean. like the Senate Republican leadership, who stripped you of your committee seats, asked you to resign, and now shun ya?
You ole pickle poacher, you… :-D!!!
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:17 amAnd if we are going to get into the “an opponent did it”, it could have been -literally- anyone. Even another Republican with an eye for Craig’s seat in the Senate.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:19 amHehe, pickle poacher.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:20 amCome on DC. Are you joking? The guy is a perv and you are going all out to defend him. You sound paid.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 amWhich boils down to Think Progress, and many of you, accusing Craig of something on very shaky grounds.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:19 am
Geez, Creamcruiser, yer acting like we stripped poor Li’l Larry of his committee seats, asked him to resing, and now shun him. It’s like we’re all REPUBLICANS or sum’pin. Now, that’s LOW.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 amcreamie, you can take all the umbrage you like, we’ll make more. your wide-stance larry is a lawbreaking perv. the fact that he’s gay is irrelevant to me. the fat that he’s a republican is just delicious irony. the fact that he’s a iar follows the republican part. the fact that he was outed shows him to be too stupid to be in the job, even his fellow perverts have ackowledged that. it seems that the only person anybody can find to defend this guilty perv is you. you must, therefore, be a partisan hack, willing to excuse lawbreaking and perversion for anybody who’s a republican. why are you so eager to allow a page-chasing pervert who has pled guilty escape his just and due punishment? partisan hackery is the on;ly explanation, although rank stupidity on a par with Craig’s runs a close second. Now get out of here, you’re boring.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 amHehe, pickle poacher.
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 3, 2007 @ 1:20 am
Pickle poacher… fudge packer… turd burglar… cream cruiser…
They all mean the same thing.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 amYou sound paid.
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 3, 2007 @ 1:21 am
Paid? W/ what, bottles and cans?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:26 amNah, the other ones are pretty nasty. Pickle poacher just gave me a little giggle.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:26 amNot much money in that, I’m afraid.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:19 am
If I were a reporter, and a court clerk comes to me saying: “I’ve got it from good source a certain high-profile someone has pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in a certain court. You can give me $500 and I will point you to the file or you can scour the state’s court records until you find the one I am talking about,” I’d give the guy his money and save myself an awful lot of time. And I would give a damn about the guy’s political affiliation. This is news.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:26 amWell, DC, blowing a stranger in the public restroom seems a bit out of the norm for me.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 am1. Did Craig admit to soliciting sex in the bathroom?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:19 am
::sigh::
Craig pleaded guilty to lewd conduct. And lewd conduct is any unlawful act committed by an individual with the purpose of arousing the libido or sexual interest of themselves or the person towards which this action is directed.
Criminal Law: Lewd conduct
Now, to whom were Craig’s acts directed? Not to himself. Not to a woman. To a male police officer.
That is the misdemeanor Craig pleaded guilty to.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 amSince when did being gay become perverted or dangerous?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:27 am
Dunno… perhaps you could ask Jerry Falwell, or Rick “Man-Dog Love” santorum, or Pat Robertson. They seem to be the experts.
So, when will you be taking your cmplaints to the Senate republican leadership… ya know, the guys who HAD to the POWER to actually strip poor larry of his committee seats, ask him to resign, and now shun him?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 amSince when did being gay become perverted or dangerous?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:27 am
a cruising Senator is not dangerous? you do realize that Craig was at the center of the 1982 page-molesting firestorm and had to be protected by partisan hacks like you back then as well, don’t you? Apart from the hypocrisy of a self-hating gay legislator, who legislates against gays, hw has put himself in serious jeopardy for national security reasons as well. there is no gay-bashing here, there is the usual hypocrite-bashing liberals always engage in when closetted Republicans try to have it both ways (so to speak). All of your arguments are desperate and weak, and will come to nothing. craig is guilty of solicitation in public, and he is gay, so he is also a liar. I hope he is ruined completely by this, for being such a coward and hypocrite.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 amThis isn’t about being gay. This is about getting ahead in politics by attaching yourself to a homophobic party that would rather lynch you if they knew your sexual identity. Nice try on the attack on progressives but you and I both know you are being a disingenuous tool.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:33 amI would say about zero.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:31 am
You can’t assume that everybody is as stupid and uninformed as you.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:33 amHow many people working in the Court of Hennepin County know that there’s a US Senator called Larry Craig?
I would say about zero.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:31 am
In Idaho? Where Larry’s the US Senator??? Prolly most of the state.
You’re a fraud. No one can be this stupid or obtuse.
Don’t quite get the point, but Dreamcrusher is a phony. There’s something else going on here. This isn’t real. It’s a deliberate act.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:35 am“That’s just an allegation being made by someone. I could accuse you of doing the same thing right now. Would it be any more true?”
Considering I am not being indicted for it…yeah, I would guess it would make it less realistic.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:36 amthought I was at a progressive blog, not a homophobic sexually conservative blog. Weird.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:33 am
I award you the merit badge in goalpost moving, under duress, special circumstances.
If he were a dem, he’d have been gone long ago. It has nothing to do with the gay. he’s a liar and a lawbreaker, self-admitted. the judge laughed him out of court when he used the same whining, pleading bs you are using.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:37 amHow many people working in the Court of Hennepin County know that there’s a US Senator called Larry Craig?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:31 am
Larry Craig identified himself as a member of the Senate to the arresting police officer.
That is in the arresting officer’s report, and would be part of the record accessible to any court clerk.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:37 amLefty, he claimed to be a Dem?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:38 amDon’t quite get the point, but Dreamcrusher is a phony. There’s something else going on here. This isn’t real. It’s a deliberate act.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 3, 2007 @ 1:35 am
I’m surprised at you, underestimating the callow ignorance and partisanship of a rightard.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:39 amSorry, misunderstood. Thought you meant DC claimed to be a Dem. NM
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:39 amLefty, he claimed to be a Dem?
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 3, 2007 @ 1:38 am
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December 3rd, 2007 at 1:40 amAh.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:40 amDC, did you miss the part where I think blowing a total stranger in the bathroom is kind of perverted? And paying for the “priviledge” is just Republican…er, pathetic. Are you going off the reservation here, defending gays?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:43 amI do have to say that Craig’s hypocrisy is less than most “anti-gay” gays. He voted for DADT but then most people did. At least he didn’t go out of his way to oppress his own.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:45 amSo you don’t see a difference between admitting guilt to a crime you’re being accused of, and submitting a guilty plea for the sake of settling the matter?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Yes, I do. I would not plead guilty to a crime I didn’t commit.
But that’s just me.
So is he pleading guilty to the accusation, or the actual deed he’s being accused of doing? Isn’t there a difference?
If you plea guilty, it means you accept culpability for the charges brought against you. It means you accept the accusation as true, and that you recognize you are guilty of committing an illegal act.
Did I plead guilty to having illegal bulbs on my car, or did I comply with the police officer’s accusation in order to save time and money?
I don’t know what you do in your spare time. My time is certainly not spent accepting culpability for an act I didn’t commit.
In Craig’s case it’s even worse. He is a US Senator. He should have known this would become public eventually, and should have prepared his defense back then. It’s not as if he lacked supporters willing to pick up the legal tab.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:47 am“Did I plead guilty to having illegal bulbs on my car, or did I comply with the police officer’s accusation in order to save time and money?”
did you have illegal bulbs or not? Would you have won in court? If so, then you are a lazy-assed shit of a citizen to allow the police to pressure you into a guilty plea. If not, then there is no comparison to be made. Sounds like you were guilty also, but can’t help whining about it. You have a lot in common with Larry, don’t you?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:50 amDC, if you plead guilty to a charge you are, according to the law GUILTY of that charge.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:50 amI have no problems with gays, nor having sex in public places. If it’s bigotry you’re looking for, I think Lefty Patriot is a perfect match for you.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:50 am
well, if you have no problem with gay sex in an airport restroom, then you are more perverted than any liberals I’ve met. I know, I know, you’re a Republican.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 amDC, I think having sex with a total stranger is extremely stupid and shows a real lack of self-respect and self-preservation. I will give you that you were right to call me on it though. I don’t think it is perverted. It is just stupid. But I think stupidity should be punishable by chemical castration so it doesn’t help your case.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:53 amcreamie, it must be frustrating as hell to be humiliated like this, post after post, no matter how many ways you try to deflect the fact that Craig is guilty of a lewd act in public. that’s on the record, forever. He’s all done, and his remaing in his seat assures a Republican loss when his term is up. I think it’s good for the country to see how hypocritical, lawless and perverted you people are.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:54 amAre you going off the reservation here, defending gays?
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 3, 2007 @ 1:43 am
Not so much, after all he is defending larry craig, he of the reichwing party of Trent Lott, recently questioned about the same tendencies,
Mark Foley nuff said,
Ken Melhman,
Jeff Gannon,
David Dreier,
Rep. Richard Curtis, (R) Washington State legislature,
Florida state Rep. Robert “Bob” Allen, R-Merritt Island,
and of course it’s religious right underpinnings lead by the good rev Ted haggard, (who’s paid boy toy also has connections with ole larry ……..
That reservation has a BIG closet, ole Larry just got shoved to the front of the line cause he’s a little dumb at times.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:54 amThere’s nothing in his guilty plea stating he’s a senator.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:47 am
Which is why I keep saying that it could have been a county clerk, with access to information not in the guilty plea, who could have tipped the media in exchange for money.
Seriously, sometimes reality is very mundane and boring.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 amSen Craig’s still not gay? So he just chooses to have sex with other men in public restrooms….for shits and giggles?
Bizarre.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 amclif, but to outwardly defend the gay lifestyle, I believe, IS off the reservation.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:56 amThey will defend the person until they actually come to the conclusion that said person is gay. I am impressed with our troll’s tolerance. Unless he is gay, then it is just self-preservation.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:57 amClearly Craig did not accept the accusation as true, his police transcript shows that.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:54 am
He might have disagreed in his head, but the law makes no such distinction. And Craig should have known that.
So if a cop pulls you over for speeding, even if you weren’t, and the fine is $100… Do you have the time and energy to show up in court and fight it? Or do you just pay the damn thing? If you are busy enough, you’ll most likely just pay the damn thing.
1. I won’t pay.
2. I will fight the bloody thing.
3. Craig’s problem was a little more serious than a speeding ticket.
Well, Bill Clinton should have known that his affair with Lewinsky was going to come out some time, but he lied about it in front of everyone anyways.
Uh… yes, so?
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 amWell, Bill Clinton should have known that his affair with Lewinsky was going to come out some time, but he lied about it in front of everyone anyways.
People don’t always do what they should have.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:54 am
And was punished. Viciously punished, by men who were guilty of far
worse. You seem to think he should have been left alone. And your laziness is not a standard that most of us would follow. I would certainly fight an unwarranted speeding ticket. in fact, i was ticketed for not wearing a seat belt, while I was driving a car with automatic seatbelts. I went to court, and won. that’s how the system works, not pleading guilty and then spending the rest of your life whining about your innocence.
Jesus, you’re stupid.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 amSeriously, sometimes reality is very mundane and boring.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 3, 2007 @ 1:55 am
I used to be a court clerk, and the newspapers routinely send a reporter to the court to go through the civil filings and any public (ajudicated) criminal files. Also, they haunt the courtrooms, which are public for most goings on.
Larry Craig has been a Senator for a long time (my Senator), and any reporter worth his/her paycheck would have a bell ringing in their head about that name in connection with Idaho.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:01 amclif, but to outwardly defend the gay lifestyle, I believe, IS off the reservation.
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 3, 2007 @ 1:56 am
I disagree, they are like the old USSR politburo who claimed to be for the worker while living the life of luxury,
They are willing to be hypocritical liars, and defend each other as long as each keeps getting what they want, only when one OPENLY exposes the hypocrisy will the rest turn on one of then like a pack of rabid fooles, AKA the Christian right on teddy boy or larry’s reichwing colleagues in the senate who think he has spun this story too much even for them.
They leave the less educated fooles who play the troll game on the tubes to defend him long after they have cut ole larry from the pack.
Ole DC here is just such a foole like the USA patriot was attacking a college’s right not th have to use student funds to pay a lying hypocrite even more money then he stole while trashing the US Constitution.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:02 amComment by Zooey — December 3, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Hi Zooey! Thanks for the tidbit.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:07 amThere’s a difference between pleading guilty to something, and actually being guilty of doing something.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 2:02 am
Too bad the law makes no such fine distinction. If you plead guilty, as far as the law is concerned, you are guilty.
Craig, as a US Senator, should have been aware of that. He had about two months to ponder whether to plea or fight. He pleaded guilty.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:08 am“Ah, but I didn’t “plead†to anything. I was given a citation, and told I could contest it if I wanted to, otherwise I could have another police officer check that I complied with it, and send it in.
There’s a difference between pleading guilty to something, and actually being guilty of doing something.”
Weren’t we talking about Craig? Are YOU Craig???
‘“DC, I think having sex with a total stranger is extremely stupid and shows a real lack of self-respect and self-preservation.â€
Ah, so you are a bit socially conservative. Funny.’
No, social conservatives do not use common sense…I do.
“But waterboarding terrorists is still a no-no, I assume. Funny how that works.”
What? Is that statement as ridiculous as I suspect?
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:09 amHi Gregor, glad I could help.
Just wanted to pop in and see the sick f_ck stylings of the trolls on this topic. Not surprised….
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:10 amPlenty of straight men tap dance in that out-of-the-way Minnesota restroom that the internet said is a good place to hook-up (sark).
How come Clinton had to testify about sex, but no other president had to testify about sex or anything else—such as illegal massive arm shipments to terrorist state of Iran (RR & GHWB), or $4 billion in credits illegally sent to Saddam (GHWB), or Cheney helping Iran with nuclear technology, or Rumsfeld providing chemical weapons to Saddam?
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 amHello Zooster.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 amWho are you kidding? Why would a reporter in Minnesota have the faintest idea about who Larry Craig was?
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 2:09 am
Why wouldn’t they — other than being as unforgivably stupid as you?
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:13 amHi, Keith. Good to read you. :-)
Early morning tomorrow. Give ‘em hell.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:14 amI would have to think it was a Democrat, though. I seriously doubt a Republican would do Craig in like that.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 2:09 am
A court clerk who happens to be a Christian fundamentalist zealot would out the Senator in less time that it takes me to type this reply.
They didn’t find it on their own.
I will have to point you to Zooey’s post. They could have found it on their own.
It only means he plead guilty to the crime.
From a legal standpoint, it doesn’t make a lick of a difference. You plea guilty, you are guilty. That’s why people who plea guilty to murder are sent to prison. They are not released in case they pleaded but were not guilty.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 amNight Zooey. Get that cd.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 amWhy would a reporter in Minnesota have the faintest idea about who Larry Craig was?
Unlike the corporate owned Washington beltway MSM some of then DO their jobs, knowing who is the leadership of the country …. especially chairmen of powerful senate committees is part of their job son.
Check out what the local media has done to expose the hypocrisy of a certain reichwing former Kansas AG;
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:16 am
Dreamchaser,
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:17 amI’ll bet you jumped all over Linda Tripp and her motives when she revealed her private conversations with Monica (sark).
who gives a shit if this guy is gay or not? - is he doing a competent job for the people of Iowa he is representing at the cost of the taxpayer?
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:17 amsorry - idaho
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 am“I was comparing a situation I was in to what Craig dealt with. I got a traffic citation for my light bulbs, was too busy to contest it, so I just went along with it for the sake of expediency. ”
Comparing your situation to his is just painful. He is a guy with money…you apparently aren’t. He wanted to blow a cop in a John. You had a bad lightbulb.
“You said stupid people should be chemically castrated. Yet I suspect you’re one of the ones who has cried foul due to the CIA employing water boarding against terrorists three times since 2002. Isn’t that a bit… hypocritical?”
Nope, not at all.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 amComment by shaun — December 3, 2007 @ 2:17 am
shaun, Larry Craig is the senator from Idaho, not Iowa, just a minor, point I know but facts are relevant here.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:20 am“who gives a shit if this guy is gay or not? - is he doing a competent job for the people of Iowa he is representing at the cost of the taxpayer?”
Breaking the law kinda matters.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:20 amWhy would a reporter in Minnesota know who the senator from Idaho was? Seriously. You know that’s unreasonable, stop being lame about it.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 2:19 am
Unlike the corporate owned Washington beltway MSM some of then DO their jobs, knowing who is the leadership of the country …. especially chairmen of powerful senate committees is part of their job son.
As to your second suggestion DC meet lame, just look in a mirror.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:21 amComment by shaun — December 3, 2007 @ 2:17 am
I care because Craig said on Meet The Press “I’m going to speak out for the citizens of my state, who in the majority think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.” Craig is also in favor of discrimination against homosexuals. Therefore, I am going to point out the hypocracy.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:23 amwho gives a shit if this guy is gay or not? - is he doing a competent job for the people of Iowa he is representing at the cost of the taxpayer?
Comment by shaun — December 3, 2007 @ 2:17 am
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:27 amSorry My comment go cut off, It matters because to a police officer larry craigs actions violated the law, he arrested sen craig, for those actions, and ole larry plead guilty, which legally MAKES him guilty.
Gay or OT ole larry was arrested for violating the law, then he plead guilty to breaking the law.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:30 amHalliburton charged with selling nuclear technology to Iran
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:32 amHalliburton, the notorious U.S. energy company, sold key nuclear-reactor components to a private Iranian oil company called Oriental Oil Kish as recently as 2005, using offshore subsidiaries to circumvent U.S. sanctions. The story is particularly juicy because Vice President Dick Cheney, who now claims to want to stop Iran from getting nukes, was president of Halliburton in the mid-1990s, at which time he may have advocated business dealings with Iran, in violation of U.S. law.
Source: “Halliburton Secretly Doing Business with Key Member of Iran’s Nuclear Team,” Jason Leopold, GlobalResearch.ca, Aug. 5, 2005.
Larry can claim he is NOT gay but just exploring alternate lifestyles each time he was with another man for all i care, but HE was arrested and plead guilty for breaking the law, which a appeal court upheld, which means he is GUILTY.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:33 am“It’s the concept I’m comparing, not the exact situation. Geez. I let the thing drop, not because I was guilty, but because I didn’t have time to deal with it. Craig repeatedly denied doing anything wrong, but he plead guilty because he didn’t have time to deal with it.”
No, you let it drop because you made a choice that it was too much of a pain to fight (or you ACTUALLY had a light out). Pleading out on a charge that will ruin your career…not so much.
“So you’re for chemically castrating stupid people, but you are against water boarding terrorists who may have information that can save lives? You seriously can’t see how incredibly hypocritical that is?”
So, jaded ironic rhetoric is beyond you. I will remember that so I don’t confuse you again.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:33 am“So you’re for chemically castrating stupid people, but you are against water boarding terrorists who may have information that can save lives? You seriously can’t see how incredibly hypocritical that is?â€
No I am not normally, but to help out future generations from facing the utter idiocy you showing here tonight, I would think about an exception in your case son.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:36 amIt would have had to be someone working for the court system in Hennepin County.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Yes, anyone.
Someone with a grudge. Someone trying to make a quick buck. A religious zealot. Anyone.
We’re not talking about from the legal standpoint here.
Au contraire. We are talking about the legal standpoint because Craig happens to be a lawmaker.
Craig knew he would be considered guilty by the legal system. That is no small matter for someone with a seat in the US Senate. There are simply too many repercussions for someone with so much at stake.
If Craig is half as much of a simpleton as you seem to think he is, Idaho would definitely be better served without him.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:39 amI thought Lewinskygate was a waste of time, but Tripp did deliver evidence against Clinton. We have yet to see such evidence from Craig’s accusers.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Clinton did not do anything illegal. And he was impeached!!! The police officer did give evidence of Craig’s crime. After many weeks of consideration, Craig pled guilty in writing.
Under Regan/Bush the plan was for about $1 billion in weapons to go illegally to the terrorist state of Iran and the profits to go illegally for weapons to the terrorists-drug runners, the Contras. The few who were found guilty were pardoned. In contrast, Linda McDougal spent 22 months in prison for not testifying against the Clintons when they lost a few thousand dollars in the Whitewater condo purchase decades before.
December 3rd, 2007 at 3:07 amComment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 3:02 am
I got that quote from DowJones’ matketwatch.com
Still, my point is that no matter what crimes occur under Republican administrations—arming Iran, arming Iraq, arming the Contras, outing CIA head of group preventing Iraq & Iran from having nuclear technology, etc.—noone is ever responsible and noone is ever punished. But if Clinton receives a bj, then he is the worst man in history!!
December 3rd, 2007 at 3:13 amThat’s what this whole thread is about, unless you have forgotten the title.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 3:02 am
No, I haven’t. But you were the one talking about feeling guilty vs being guilty.
I am the one who keeps pointing out Craig pleaded guilty to lewd conduct. Not with a woman. Not with himself. With a male police officer.
This is very strange for a man who has supported anti-gay initiatives. The straight men I know wouldn’t engage in any sort of sexually explicit manner with another man.
Think Progress is implying that Craig is gay, by juxtaposing his claim of not being gay with accusations that he is.
Methinks is a little more than an implication. Rumors have flaoted around Craig for years. He plead guilty to lewd conduct. Some gay men have come forward.
Not to mention his “wide stance” story is ridiculous.
Yeah, the man is gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that ;-)
although as we are in agreement on, he did not plea guilty because he deemed himself to actually have been guilty of the crime.
I don’t recall agreeing to such thing. My point has always been that he shouldn’t have pleaded guilty if he weren’t.
To paraphrase a much more famous man than me: He pleaded, therefore he is (guilty).
December 3rd, 2007 at 3:15 amI care because Craig said on Meet The Press “I’m going to speak out for the citizens of my state, who in the majority think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.†Craig is also in favor of discrimination against homosexuals. Therefore, I am going to point out the hypocracy.
Comment by Keith — December 3, 2007 @ 2:23 am
December 3rd, 2007 at 3:22 amIt doesn’t matter that Craig is gay.
It matters that he is a gay HYPOCRITE, railing against homosexuals while BEING ONE HIMSELF.
It doesn’t matter that Victor Ashe said Bush performed oral sex on him MANY TIMESl.
It DOES matter that Bush is a gay Nazi WAR CRIMINAL and a MURDERERING little azshole and a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 3rd, 2007 at 6:10 amO. Bigfoot fits the description of your typical rightwing troll.
December 3rd, 2007 at 6:13 amI can’t help but to think of this article when I read about Craig:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/34118
December 3rd, 2007 at 7:12 amComment by O. Bigfoot — December 3, 2007 @ 6:47 am
So you say the people of Idaho support Larry Craig’s abberent behavior?
December 3rd, 2007 at 7:20 amWhy doesn’t Craig sue th