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Gregory: Blogs are to blame for polarization.

By Faiz on Dec 2nd, 2007 at 6:00 pm

Gregory: Blogs are to blame for polarization.»

At a National Press Club event earlier this week, NBC White House correspondent David Gregory argued that, because is so much polarization in politics today, “people try to divine or assign our motives” for asking certain questions at the White House press briefings. When Helen Thomas asked Gregory what was responsible for the polarization, Gregory answered:

I think it’s because of the internet largely. The polarized atmosphere in the internet and blogs and whatnot have been a major contributor to that.

Watch it:

In February — at a similar event at the Press Club — Gregory pointed the finger at blogs for the reason that “politics and political coverage has become so polarized.” Glenn Greenwald wrote at the time:

The reality, of course, is that most media-criticizing bloggers do not want journalists to be “political advocates.” They want them to do what journalists are supposed to do — which is not…sit around with their good, trustworthy, nice-guy friends in the White House and simply “ask questions” and “get information,” but instead to scrutinize that information, treat it with doubt, investigate it before passing it along to determine whether it’s true.

And the reason bloggers want them to do that, the reason that bloggers demand more of journalists…is not because bloggers are enraged, confused, unreasonable partisans. It’s because bloggers are American citizens who are deeply concerned about what has happened to their country over the last six years.

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102 Responses to “Gregory: Blogs are to blame for polarization.”


  1. profmarcus Says:

    and when you look at how even senior, respected, REAL journalists like helen thomas are treated by those who should be bending over backwards to answer her questions, is it any wonder that we bloggers are screaming bloody murder…? dana perino’s treatment of thomas’ legitimate questions on friday are totally indicative of our current government’s complete disdain for any effort whatsoever at REAL journalism…

    And, yes, I DO take it personally


  2. katy Says:

    holy crap… he and MC-rove and doin’ more than rappin’ together…


  3. Lizzy Says:

    Polarization is the process by which the public opinion divides and goes to the extremes. It can also refer to when the extreme factions of a political party gain dominance in a party.

    Thank God for the blogs!!!


  4. And Yet... Says:

    The polarized atmosphere in the internet and blogs and whatnot have been a major contributor to that.

    Yeah, let’s not forget about that “whatnot,” Mr. Genuine TV Reporter. WTF?


  5. tarazan Says:

    The fear of the internet of polarizing politics is unfounded.
    Governments and traditional media do not like the internet…becuase of its wealth of information to millions and millions of readers..

    Media prefer instead to have control over all that is to be said, written and delivered to public.
    Internet availability makes these journalists look little and stupid for what they provide and discuss daily.

    Gregory is not the first to show unease and unhappiness with Internet blogs. Gregory need to realize that people are no longer rely only
    on him or his network and others to get their daily clean and ubiased
    news


  6. rocks911 Says:

    Yeah that it, the polarization of politics is because of blogs, certainly it has nothing to do with the dictates of ditto-heads as they wield their tremendous arrogance and incompetence in the name of a fascist dynasty. What are these people smoking?


  7. Above the Clouds Says:

    What Washington “insiders” like Gregory, the GOP, and the MSM fear most is accountability.


  8. Your Conscience Says:

    “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” -
    — Mahatma Gandhi

    When did we get to stage II?

    I would like to be a stenographer, easy pay for an easy job.


  9. Zappatero Says:

    Brian Williams is a blogger. Heh…..


  10. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    one or more of the following, Zoloft, Prozac, Trazadone, Jack Danial’s, 9mm.

    Comment by Billy Hill — December 2, 2007 @ 6:24 pm

    You left off your 2 favorites off the list, HillyBilly … chilled T-bird and compulsive masturbation.


  11. wijg Says:

    “Gregory: Blogs are to blame for polarization.”

    The National Press Corp. and the current administration are to blame for the ruin of this once great nation. Gregory needs to step up to the plate and take some blame for his partnership in the endeavor… after all, he worked so hard at it.


  12. Abby Says:

    Gregory is right, in a sense. The blogs, meaning the people, are mostly anti-murder of innocents against a political system and media that’s owned and controlled by war profiteering corporations that want a forever war. Blogs give a voice to the people who were not supposed to have a voice, just sheeple to be told what to think and to go where they’re led.

    In that sense, the blogs have “polarized” the nation that’s supposed to be on a warpath against someone or the other irrespective of which party wins the White House just as it has been continuously since the end of WWII.


  13. pete Says:

    Gee! Is it, perhaps, possible that the internet reflects a society polarized by wars, occupations, and corrupt government? Nah. It’s those anti-American, leftist, bloggers.

    /sarc off


  14. SP Biloxi Says:

    Memo to David: Are you going to add your boss, Brian Williams, to the list of polarization? In case David has forgotten, his boss has a blog.


  15. Saint Augustine Says:

    Billy Hill fits the description of your typical rightwing troll.


  16. pete Says:

    Then again, it could be those, ever so fair, op-eds.

    /sarc not off. It’s about all we’ve got at this point.


  17. pete Says:

    Billy Hill fits the description of your typical rightwing troll.

    Comment by Saint Augustine — December 2, 2007 @ 6:45 pm

    I would say exceptionally rightwing. Stupendously? Maybe just stupid?


  18. spyder Says:

    Marvin Kalb was way too kind towards Gregory during that session (available on CSpan). Indeed Gregory was being treated a lot like he has treated Bush, allowed to offer lame excuses for the inexcusable, and claiming some sort of mantle of victimhood until Rather reset the tone. Sadly no one discussed the role of the media corporations in all this; seems that Gregory has bought into that lock, stock, and ammo suggesting the bloggers are at fault, because there is no way Fox/News Corp would slant bias and coverage of this administration… cough cough..


  19. bilbobaggins Says:

    The day Gregory was given a front row seat at the presidential press conferences (after he did his little dance with karl Rove), he officially became another Bush poodle. It’s too bad. He was once a very good and objective reporter,


  20. nofltwlt Says:

    All of the sentiment expressed by bloggers is directly proportional to the actions of the Bush administration, the GOP, the neocons and greedy CEOs.

    In the past the general public could feel one way or another but they could not express their favor or disfavor on an issue. The internet and blogs provide our citizenry the opportunity to express themselves.

    Right now everyone hates our president and his minnions becase Bush, the GOP, the neocons and big business are evil.

    These no-good-nics just hate like hell to hear from the people they subjugate and Gregory is not helping. I cannot believe he is so shallow in his thoughts.

    I was never political until Bush, or should I say that disgusting Anton Scalia, stole the 2000 election. Now I am, and one thing I’ve learned is that Democrats/liberals are better people than Republican/conservatives.


  21. Guido OBGYN Lover Says:

    The Republican party is the reason America is polarized.

    The degree of polarization I attribute to blogs maybe.

    My friendships were divided long before blogs.


  22. pluege Says:

    It’s because bloggers are American citizens who are deeply concerned about what has happened to their country over the last six years.

    question is: why aren’t journalists, as American citizens just as concerned as bloggers about what has happened the last 6 years - why have journalists enabled lies, deceptions, and illegal activity? What is it that has made journalists forswear the media’s role as the 4th estate investigating and questioning government?
    .


  23. pete Says:

    What is it that has made journalists forswear the media’s role as the 4th estate investigating and questioning government?
    .

    Comment by pluege — December 2, 2007 @ 7:15 pm

    $$$$$$$


  24. GSD Says:

    Dave Gregory is MC Rove’s biatch.

    -GSD


  25. RagingGurrl Says:

    GSD -

    That’s it exactly. Dave Gregory is not a bright guy.
    Smart guys are fearless and independent, and they lead, they don’t follow.
    He could learn what a real journalist is by watching Olbermann. Keith’s star is rising, Dave does a horrible job when he fills in as an anchor.


  26. stewarjt Says:

    CYA Dave, CYA.

    The right wing has been engaged in class war for decades. He’s just now noticing the polarization resulting from that and attributing it to bloggers? Dave, as a journalist, you’re supposed to be more than a stenographer. Got it?


  27. Zooey Says:

    I call bullshit on David Gregory (R-Steno).


  28. clif Says:

    I guess the mind wipe Gregory has done every six months or so has totally destroyed his ability to remember the 1990’s. Remember that was when, there were no “blogs” as we know them now, however that didn’t stop a fat drug addicted lying gasbag and an anorexic pipe cleaner with a lousy wig from doing a very good job polarizing this country with the corporate owned MSM’s cheer leading support.

    All this really means is that Gregory’s attack on blogs is as a stupid cover up for the incredibly bad job the corporate owned MSM has been doing, as Rove’s claims the democratic congress tried to force the Iraqi war on Bush by forcing a vote before the 2002 election.


  29. had enough Says:

    It appears blogs and progressive news are the only source of truth…. possibly a real threat to corporate fascist MSM in their continued effort of keeping the masses dumbed down… for guarantee of more corporate growth.


  30. Veritas Says:

    Hi Zooey! Bullshit, indeed! Maybe David Gregory needs a primer on the constitution one of these days? Obviously, he’s not in favor of free speech. No doubt that the internet and blogs are the only thing keeping this government and country honest right now. Our constitution would be totally trampled if it were not for this avenue for investigating truth.


  31. Veritas Says:

    had enough: Like minds crossed in cyberspace this evening! Yes, ’tis the last truth stronghold and “stranglehold” we have on march from freedom to fascism.


  32. DutchHenry Says:

    Gregory is a superb example of the corpoporate suck up reporter.The reason they fear the blogs is due to the fact that the blogs expose the shoulder rubbing that these corporate shills perform with the folks they are covering.
    Maybe Gregory should tell us how many times he has been invited to dinner At Rove’s house before blaming blogs.Above all they are most of all liars as they knew NBC’s News crew that Rove & Libby had disclosed Plame’s indentity as CIA when the WH was denying WH involment.
    R


  33. GSD Says:

    In the words of Borat, David Gregory is a big, goofy penoose.

    -GSD


  34. Veritas Says:

    I think people like David Gregory may find themselves unemployed thanks to their fascist complicity and enabling when a new administration takes over. Sure, they’re petrified of the internet because it is the ONLY means to locating truth today; it is the ONLY power the people in this country have any longer to counter the corporate, sycophantic, fascist mainstream media.

    One fo the hallmarks of fascism is “control of the message/media” and there’s nothing they’d like more or detest more right now. We can call bullshit on all of them any day of the week.

    People need to begin boycotting our fascist media - freedom of the press is not something we enjoy in this country any longer. They’re all corporate fascist empires run by reichwing sycophants. I love it when they spin the “liberal media bias BS”. That’s a total hoot when it’s precisely the opposite - Orwellian USA.


  35. Veritas Says:

    As they say: “There’s no shill like an old, transparently sycophantic, tired shill” and David Gregory is the poster boy for lockstep, mindless ’shillery’ (is that a word?).


  36. klide Says:

    I’d be happy if they, journalist would just stop dancing with their buddies in the white house. Well it would be a start.


  37. GSD Says:

    The MC Rove dance bit was despicable, but when he slow-danced with Larry Craig(R-Pudslapper) to John Secada that was the final straw for me.

    -GSD


  38. OleHippieChick Says:

    Rovian bu$hCo, Inc. Bylaw 1: Divide to Conquer.

    Is Gregory brain dead or what? What crawled up HIS ass and died?



  39. MiMiCcs Says:

    Actually, a number of left wing blogs are also receipients of donations from individuals and foundations who exert influences on content, or I should say they influence what should not be discussed . This was pointed out in Towers of Deception in an attempt to explain why so many of these blogs refuse to touch 9/11 issues.

    The establishment does not want 100% control over media. They like some degree of polarization as it provides the critters the illusion of Democracy. But there is a line in reporting that when crossed it is considered not acceptable to our masters.

    They plan to control this even more by authorizing the ISP’s and telecoms to discriminate and control bandwidth to and from the various sites. Those whose reporting is not acceptable will find they get insufficient bandwidth and access to their blogs will remind users of the 56 K modem days. Those who are acceptable will get all the bandwidth they need. Content on Blogs will thus be controlled. Think the Dems won’t cave in and pass this bill when the time comes? Think again.


  40. Cricket Says:

    He couldn’t make a pimple on a true journalist’s butt. He falls into that same category as Katie B.S. Couric, Mz neocon Brown, Matt Liar, Timmeh what to do in ‘09 Russert..They’re all Rush’s offspring.


  41. Krazny Says:

    To a certain extent, I think Gregory is right. I mean we have this situation, where people read only what hey want to hear. If your liberal, you read Daily Kos, and thinkprogress, and other liberal blogs. If your conservative, you read powerline, and world net daily. However, I think the blame for polarization of politics falls upon the AM radio crowd, and the republicans antics since 1994. They have spent all of that time driving wedges between Americans. It makes it easier to keep the one issue people in line.


  42. Kane Says:

    Ironically, it is the media’s inefficiencies in journalism which has enabled the political polarization and given life to blogs critical of the media.

    It is the media which places a blue state-red state label on every issue and everyone. In a time when the media places more emphasis on the political motives of whistleblowers than on the government misconduct and violations of the law they reveal, it becomes quite natural to question the political motives of those in the media as well.


  43. ken melvin Says:

    A bigger Gregory moment was his insisting on talking about Post Invasion when the question was about the media’s role in enabling the administration in the lead up to the invasion. Is he that screwed up?


  44. Abby Says:

    Think the Dems won’t cave in and pass this bill when the time comes? Think again.

    Comment by MiMiCcs — December 2, 2007 @ 8:11 pm

    We know they will. Where have you been….. living in a cave somewhere? The point is, the corporate interests, people who profit from the war, pharmaceutical, banking, insurance etc… interests own BOTH the political parties AND the “liberal” media.

    That is why the blogs are the “enemy”, the “polarizing” influence. It’s not a liberals v/s the conservatives thing, it’s the people v/s the people who have taken over the country thing.


  45. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    All the internet has done is to have given us a viable alternative to gits like Gregory.

    If you can’t blame Clinton, blame those foul internets tubes (they gots fornography in ‘em).


  46. flex Says:

    its my understanding neo-cons declared a war on Democrates many years ago and their war came to a height with the likes of KKKarl Rove, Tom Delay, Bush and Cheney, Newt Gingrich, etc.
    their criminally corrupt bullying, lying and intimidation were used to keep the power and greed in the Fascist Republican Party.


  47. Nevar Says:

    Polarization?
    Just wait till the earth’s magnetic poles invert.
    It has happened several times before, and it will happen again.
    All the magnetic stripes on credit cards will turn into worm squiggle, your car won’t start, and our computers will read like cuniform tablets.


  48. Jackie Says:

    David was once an honest fair/balanced reporter working for the people then he got paid by the Bush
    Administration and he sold out. Now I comment on Brian Williams blog site and even when commits are made bad about David, Williams has it posted. One complaint was about David joining Karl Rove at a dinner and singing as they made fun of Patrick Fitzgerald. Brian explained that David said he was forced to join but we knew better and David has gone down hill from there. NBC is looking to clean house with the reporters that work for the Bush Administration like Tucker, Tweety, Andrea, Lisa and David. This group is embarrassing to NBC and Journalist as well has being dishonest to the viewers.


  49. chomot Says:

    The best answer he could have given was,

    ” That’s funny I thought it was talk radio that polerized America”

    Short and strait to the point.


  50. krazeeinjun Says:

    Shorter Gregory: It’s all the Intertubes fault I can’t do my job! Waaaaaaaah! Them mean old nasty Intertube blogger peoples! Waaaaaaaaaahhhh!!


  51. Xisithrus Says:

    Huh? The polarization began when the fairness in reporting doctrine was dropped and the Republicans used it for political gain. And now that people are wise to and have turned the tables they are crying foul.


  52. kasinca Says:

    Gregory should take his left hand and grab his right ear, his right hand and grab his left ear, tug really hard to pull his head out of his bootlicking ass.


  53. Xisithrus Says:

    All the magnetic stripes on credit cards will turn into worm squiggle, your car won’t start, and our computers will read like cuniform tablets.
    Comment by Nevar

    If you have an older vehicle [generator, motorcycle, chainsaw etc] that still uses points, coil and condenser it will start. =)


  54. Dr. Matt Says:

    A failed administration and a reich-wing MSM is the reason why we have such polarization today.


  55. RUCerious Says:

    It could be something more than bloggers.

    Like a unitary executive driving the country over a cliff.

    Mayhaps.


  56. TomR Says:

    Yeah, it really has nothing to do with the talk radio hosts like Limbaugh, Hannity, and O’Reilly polluting millions of listeners’ minds each day with right-wing propaganda. Nor does it have anything to do with the bullying tactics used when Republicans controlled both the Congress and Executive branches. Yep, they sure were sweet to the Dems back in those days. I especially liked the basement hearings and shutting off the microphones of Democratic representatives. Oh, and the record number of recess appointments by the Bush administration–very classy and respectful move.

    Thanks for setting us straight Dick.

    - Tom

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY_OPcGBSrI


  57. celtic cynic Says:

    Methinks Gregory is drinking out of the same toilet as the other neo-cons, party loyalists and others who would want the world to follow blindly.


  58. rockyroad Says:

    Gregory has simply forgotten that as a journalist, his “audience” is supposed to be the public to whom he allegedly reports, and not the administration and the suits that sign his paycheck.

    Greg, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

    As a journalist, you answer to the public, who have essentially united on the internet and demanded that you take responsibility . . . call that polarization . . . where once you could hide in the closet as a kept man, suddenly, every American’s ability to share information has pulled back the curtain and revealed your inadequacies.

    Yes, you have a great hairdresser, but where were you when the administration was spewing lies and led us into a war on false premises? sprawled out in a chair with tin foil in your hair processing, with cucumber slices on your eyes while a manicurist trimmed your cuticles. Heck of a job. You’d look most excellent on the podium accepting your Pulitzer . . . but that will never happen.

    Cry me a river.

    God bless Helen Thomas . . . you want to be a journalist Greg? quit whining about polarization (or at least look up the definition), learn from a master. Immulate Helen.


  59. pete Says:

    Comment by rockyroad — December 2, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

    If Helen was 20 years younger, I’d vote for her. If she were 40 years younger, I’d make a pass at her. But, she’s great right where she is. Here’s to another 50 years of the amazing Helen Thomas.

    BTW, I think you meant emulate.


  60. FearandSmear Says:

    Right. It’s not issues that are polarizing, it’s the medium.

    And, well, being called a traitor because you don’t want 19 year olds from Nebraska dying in the Middle East does make one intransigent, now doesn’t it.


  61. shaun Says:

    #35 - and to give borat his dues,he asks far tougher questions than gregory and his pals


  62. rockyroad Says:

    Pete, thanks for the correction. I should probably get out my own dictionary (or at least exercise my Spellcheck.

    Anyway, upon reflection, I was thinking this about Gregory the Great.

    Back in the day, “Don’t shoot the messenger” was the cry of those relaying the bad news.

    Gregory has turned that phrase on its head. He’s not so afraid of the recipients of his news as he is of its sources.

    So courageous. He’s essentially an over-blown hawker who periodically gets all puffed up and indignant for the cameras. The pols momentarily appear indignent, but the play is made, theater at its finest. He’s bolstered his credibility, they’ve responded in an appropriately nonplussed manner, the public is satisfied with his impartiality, however feined. A win, win.

    Messenger wins, admin wins. Public is sated. Suits are satisfied with a little drama that bolsters ratings of an otherwise mundane briefing. No truth is revealed. No harm, no foul. Gregory contemplates tooth whitening . .


  63. sluggo Says:

    Shorter David Gregory…

    “When the sheep learned to type things really started going downhill”


  64. rockyroad Says:

    Sluggo, nice.

    Now, on “The Bush Admin and the Media”

    [Cast: Bush Admin (think Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, et al - as pigs; The media (think Gregory, Donaldson, Hume, Mitchell et co. - as man; The creatures outside (you and me)]

    From Chapter X - Animal Farm:

    Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.


  65. pete Says:

    Comment by rockyroad — December 2, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

    I had no right to correct you. The Wise God-King BART, God-King of all LIARS, has proclaimed me to be a moron. I’m unworthy of such wise company.

    /sarc off


  66. pete Says:

    Oops! I meant /snark off.


  67. DallasNE Says:

    David Gregory paints with an awfully broad brush. Some blogs are guilty of what Gregory claims. But the preponderance of those are the right wings blogs that simply are there to turn up the volume and repeat the lies. If Gregory truly believes what he says then he must come forth with examples and name those blogs. It is not the blogs but the lies that are at the heart of problem. Gregory doesn’t seem well enough informed to even be discussing the issue.


  68. grover nerdkissed Says:

    oh, yes, talk radio had *NOTHING* to do with it.


  69. whippoorwill Says:

    Of course the MSM is blameless for their phony “moral equivilence” doctrine and non-stop baiting of one party against the other instead of just reporting the news as it is, without prejudice.


  70. Lefty Patriot Says:

    Gregory doesn’t seem well enough informed to even be discussing the issue.

    Comment by DallasNE — December 2, 2007 @ 11:08 pm

    Exactly why he was Rove’s dance partner.


  71. rockyroad Says:

    pete,

    Thanks. But honestly, I shouldn’t use words I can’t spell. In contrast, I make no apoligies for my interactions with BART. BART’s not reared his ugly head in daze. Perhaps he’s still scratching up from the underworld trying to hit bottom.

    Welcome to the “You’re a moron” club. I’m a senior member. Huzzah! It’s kind of like all those evangelicals telling me I’m going to hell . . . good times . . . all my friends will be there . . . we’ll have a family reunion.


  72. rockyroad Says:

    Apoligies . . . oops, I’ve done it again . . . but this time, it isn’t that I can’t spell, it’s that I can’t type.


  73. PrahaPartizan Says:

    Sure, Gregory thinks that the political climate is polarized now because the blogs exist. It’s because the left and liberals and progressives can fight back and pick apart the mendacity of reporters like Gregory and the radio bloviators like Limbaugh. Now, it’s polarized because suddenly both sides of the story are getting airplay. Before, when only the rightwingers were able to get their spin out, by definition it couldn’t be polarized, because only one pole was being discussed. Gregory knows he’s rapidly becoming a redundant feature in national political press and the concept frightens him.


  74. rockyroad Says:

    Lefty Patriot:

    Gregory dancing with the devil . . . if my disapproval puts me on the North Pole, consider me polarized.

    Are these dudes in bed together? Shouldn’t be . . . not even in the name of fun. Rove knows no fun. With Rove, it’s politics 24-7. Gregory knows that. No excuse.


  75. pete Says:

    Comment by rockyroad — December 2, 2007 @ 11:47 pm

    I thought you knew.

    BART, The God-King of LIARS has his own private virtual world. If you want to rattle his cage, you can find him here.

    http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 11/ 29/ huckabee-phone-call-with-god/ #comment-4173388

    We’ve been poking him through the bars of his cage for days. The poor soul. Alas, I had to go nuclear on him


  76. pete Says:

    BTW RR. It’s a long scroll. #1119 and counting!


  77. pete Says:

    BTW, again. I figure Hell is full since Falwell’s fat a$$ got dragged down. I think we’re safe.


  78. rockyroad Says:

    Pete,

    I had no idea that my neimesis had a cave. He has scratched up so far through the bedrock that’s he’s hit bottom? Amazing, things are lookin’ up (or at least we can see his shiney bald head as we look down in horror, shovels hoisted).

    By going nuke on Gollum, I hope that you do not mean anything in connection with me. . . ? I wish him no h . . .well, I wish him . . . I wish that you poke appropriately. (Need any poking points . . . I’ve got friends).

    Torture is inappropriate, but a poke here a poke there, it’s for his own good. It hurts us so much more than it hurts it hurts us to watch him giggle. Don’t even poke him . . . just have Ann Coulter read to him his own blogs (ecstacy) . . . maybe Sen. Craig could toe tap in rythem. John Ashcroft could resurrect his quartet and serenade. Video the shin-dig and pay royalties.

    Just thoughts.


  79. rockyroad Says:

    After feelin the rythems of his own works repeated in the velveteen coohs of Ann Coulter, toe tapping with Craig and the luxurious sounds of the Ashcroft quartet, BART will no doubt entertain visions of a sex tape.

    He’ll probably want Paris or Kim’s agent’s number. Being that I’m totally out of the loop, perhaps you know some Hollywood sleeze peddler that can hook the old BART-o-rama up.


  80. JosephW Says:

    I’m sorry, but how long has Gregory been taking up the ……. I mean, covering the White House for NBC? Does he not remember a little polarization courtesy of the RepubliCONs in Congress during President Clinton’s terms of office? A few little occasions when CONservatives (mostly RepubliCONs) would actually claim that Clinton was not THEIR President and claimed that Clinton had “demeaned” the office because of his little private affair with Ms Lewinsky? Or that time when Newt Gingrich threw a little temper tantrum, essentially demanding that Clinton cut the budget the way the RepubliCONs wanted or they’d shut down the government, and Clinton forced them to stick to their guns (right around Christmas time even, giving Newt a new surname, “Gingrinch”)?
    And this was all done when right-wing talk shows on radio and tv were running unfettered and largely unchallenged, even by (or, maybe, especially by) the “liberal” media.


  81. rockyroad Says:

    Pete.

    While I have always had to work hard and treat people decently to get ahead, I suspect that in the line to hell, Bush or Cheney would happily give me a break. I’d offer you cuts, but I’m afraid that we couldn’t request special assignments. On the bright side, based upon my earthly experiences, having fought for everything that I’ve ever earned, in hell, I’ll have a distinct advantage. I’ll have earned . . . I’ll have created value. . . I’ll have fought . . . Frankly, I’ll have failed, brushed off the dust, gotten up and tried again, succeeded, and led . . . all concepts distinctly alien to four-deferrment Cheney and “You’re high if you think I’m going to serve in the National Guard Service . . . Yeah Dad, on my way, you guys kiss my smokin ass, toot-toot - I’m so outta here - dubya. It’s a BART ‘tood.

    (BTW, Rythem clearlly isn’t correct, but I looked it up and Spellchecked it - there you go - it’s my spelling and I’m sticking to it - Rovian)


  82. pete Says:

    Nope, nothing to do with you RR. I’ve been playing him like a fiddle. But, he violated the terms of his confinement and needed a harsh reminder of who is playing whom. Now, I let him rave till he has to sleep. Then, I’ll begin a new tune, or not. It hardly matters. He’s quite capable of amusing me without a score.

    Thanx for the offer of reinforcement but, there are some members of my band who have yet to appear on stage. It would be unfair to deny them a chance to play such a fine instrument. However, if you wish, special guest stars are always a nice surprise.

    Speaking of sleep, it’s time to retire.

    G’night noble humans.
    You too trolls, if you dare to mingle with your betters.


  83. pete Says:

    Comment by rockyroad — December 3, 2007 @ 1:47 am

    That’s always been my approach. I figure I won’t get to Heaven, and would probably find it boring. So, I take measures to insure my place in Hell. If nothing else, it’s a good back up.

    Now I really have to go to bed.

    Happy Hunting!


  84. rockyroad Says:

    Sweet dreams.


  85. Perry logan Says:

    The Republican Party started the second Civil War when it stole the 2000 election. The blogs are merely expressing America’s outrage against these traitors.


  86. Bruce Gorton Says:

    O. Bigfoot

    I wouldn’t exactly call the Republicans losing both houses in 2006 “No power.” I wouldn’t call the Democrats not losing a single seat in those elections an expression of powerlessness.

    Nor would I call Ron Paul’s campaign contributions, garnered mainly via online libertarians “nothing.”

    What you don’t understand is that you Republicans fully deserve every bit of scorn you anti-moral, anti-intellectual and anti-human braggarts have gotten over the last few years, and the only reason why the so-called blogosphere is so overwhelmingly leftwing, is because Americans are frankly nauseated by the very thought of you.

    Sure, the Democratic party is taking this support for granted, sure the leftwing blogosphere is taking it, for now. That doesn’t mean the blogosphere is powerless, it just means the blogosphere has looked at the alternative.


  87. toasterhead Says:

    What the blogosphere does do for Democrats is provide a daily barometer of just how much hatred there is for anyone labeled Republican, which provides Democrats with the freedom of wide leeway in their decision making while having constant indicators at hand showing that they will still get the tacit support of people who vote against anyone calling themself a Republican.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 3, 2007 @ 6:13 am

    Which alternate reality do you live in, and how’s the weather there?

    Only cause the liberal blogosphere I know and am a part of does not universally hate Republicans and love Democrats. We salute people who put integrity, honesty, and the well-being of the country above partisan bullshit. The fact that there are a mere handful of them on the Republican side of the aisle isn’t our fault.


  88. Frosty Cupcake Says:

    We salute people who put integrity, honesty, and the well-being of the country above partisan bullshit. The fact that there are a mere handful of them on the Republican side of the aisle isn’t our fault.

    Comment by toasterhead — December 3, 2007 @ 8:20 am

    That sounds just about right.


  89. Technodaoist Says:

    Riiiight.

    Politicians don’t make politics divisive - bloggers do…

    It’s such a shame that bloggers have taken the harmonious world that existed before the internet and have rent it asunder. Why, I can’t think of a single thing in all of history that caused any kind of political rift within a society… Just imagine how differently the Civil War could have ended if it weren’t for those nasty bloggers.

    Yes - that’s a leap in logic. Its called an illustrative metaphor before you dumb trolls start your ignorant crap. Divide that, bish!

    Gregory needs to pull his head out…


  90. Lefty Patriot Says:

    bigfoot has the shoe o the wrong foot, as usual. there is no partisan hatred in the world of blogging like that of the rightwing nazi blogs powerline, redstate and lgf, who are so antiAmerican they won’t even allow contrasting opinions to be posted on their sites. if any of what bigfoot says were true, he would be banned instantly and his posts removed. the fact that he can come here and lie at will, spread his filthy nazi propaganda, and then return, disporoves his assertions completely. pure projection, coupled with the usual right-wing lies, is all he has to offer. the blogosphere will save America from fascist domination, if America is to be saved at all. the left-wing blogosphere will be the heros of the 2nd American revolution, once again defeating a tyrant named George.


  91. linda Says:

    hahaha — that’s rich, coming from karl rove’s dancing partner.


  92. bernard quatermass Says:

    “What the blogosphere does do for Democrats is provide a daily barometer of just how much hatred there is for anyone labeled Republican”

    I for one don’t give a rat’s ass about labels. A creep is a creep is a creep; a moron is a moron is a moron.


  93. OxyCon Says:

    The hyperpartisanship all began with the right wing media. The Internet is mostly a reaction to Fox “News” propaganda, right wing hate speech radio, right wing newspaper propaganda and the middling right wing tabloid magazines.


  94. Hug The Moon Says:

    how many “agents” are in the media at present? This is part of the problem. Not saynig gregory is an agent, though he behaves like a true misinformist. Just saying that the three or four netwoks must have a boat load of agency graduates.


  95. ForTruth Says:

    Of course the MSM is threatened by blogs. Blogs cut through the bullcrap.


  96. tombaker Says:

    I’m sick of watching Gregory, et al, suck at their jobs and get bullied by prep-school punks.

    I’m as sick of the results of contemporary journalism schools as I am of the results of contemporary business schools - both produce sycophantic, unimaginative, unintelligent graduates whose flocking and mimicry skills are enough to qualify them to be mynah birds.

    What a place we’re in now, thanks to advances in modern PR and Marketing.


  97. BrianFL Says:

    I’m sure it has nothing to do with Republicans throwing around words like “traitor” or “coward” at Democrats, even honored veterans like Jack Murtha, John Kerry, or Max Cleland. I’m sure it has nothing to do with every right-wing radio/TV host in the country saying Democrats “hate America” and that we “support terrorists”.

    It has nothing to do with the right-wing witchhunt of Bill Clinton, calling him a murderer, blaming him for the 9/11 attacks and international terrorism, criticizing him when he launched attacks on Al Qaeda, then finally impeaching him for lying about an affair.

    Nope, that didn’t polarize the country at all. Blogs are purely to blame for all the polarization. Thanks “stretch”. Now you can go back to kissing up to your hero George W. Bush.


  98. Art Says:

    David Gregory has discovered that expressions of differences of opinion results in people disagreeing with each other.

    Wow! What an astute journalist!


  99. Thucydides Jr. Says:

    Good lord. What. A. Dolt.

    Opps.. I’m sorry.. was his long term memory damaged in an press-Bush admin game of touch football? Does he have a closed head injury?

    Rlly. Srsly. STFU about things you don’t understand David.


  100. Buckster Says:

    This is clearly motivated by Gregory’s longing and desire to be considered “smarter than everyone else” and more important than others. Now that there is a forum for people to express opinions that show how deficient and biased our corporate media is (and always was), Gregory suddenly finds that he’s not nearly as smart as he thought he was (and not as smart as his his colleagues once told him he was). Gregory’s comment was obviously motivated by envy.

    That being said, until now, Gregory had struck me as somewhat more talented than most of his colleagues. Helen used to be a hack but has become somewhat better and more talented in recent years.



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