Comments on: NIE: Iran ‘Halted’ Nuclear Weapons Program In 2003, Unlikely To Develop A Weapon In This Decade http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:46:40 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4176963 tombaker Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:11:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4176963 74 - Why no reponse from NORAD? Righty logic is perfectly encapsulated by the Flying Spaghetti Monster people, who "prove" that global warming has been caused by the decline in numbers of pirates. If something positive happens, Bush did it, and if something negative happens, he did not. If the information contradicts Bush's statement, then the information is bad, and so on. Freestyle causality, I guess you'd have to call it. Lame, no matter how it's parsed. 74 – Why no reponse from NORAD?

Righty logic is perfectly encapsulated by the Flying Spaghetti Monster people, who “prove” that global warming has been caused by the decline in numbers of pirates.

If something positive happens, Bush did it, and if something negative happens, he did not. If the information contradicts Bush’s statement, then the information is bad, and so on.

Freestyle causality, I guess you’d have to call it. Lame, no matter how it’s parsed.

]]> By: elizajane http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4175428 elizajane Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:51:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4175428 What is going to take for all of America to understand BUSH wants war with IRAN just like he did to Iraq ? Ahmadinejad already said on YOUTUBE to a American reporter that he did NOT want WAR with the USA and he wasnt making NUKES ! Period ...and he laughed ...so what if he did ? Other word we have a dictator period .Like Hitler ..But this one looks like you and me in a suit and smiles and makes jokes "everything is funny " when its not at all funny ...Dead Troops , crippled Troops ...bankrupt Troops ! All for what Weapons of Mass destruction ? They never found any ! Like Iran has stopped production in 2003 ! Those people havent changed in 4,000 years and we ANT going to change them EVER .Has any one ever read the HISTORY of IRAN ? We will not last forever .We are weak very weak ..And we got Thompson who says we need more TROOPS sent around the world to other places ...someone needs to tell him THERE IS NO MORE TO SEND ! They are over in IRAQ and NO one is joining and if there is a DRAFT kiss all your kids and granchildren goodbye ! Ask them what they want on their TOMB STONE ? Because you ANT going to see them any more and if you dont have grand-children now You will never have them ... Becaus eits not possible ..All your kids will be dead all your future generations GONE ...all because of The Bush Administration and The only one in ALL of America Brave enough to Make a Stand against him you arent voting for Dennis Kucinich ...too bad ...He is America's Last and Final Hope ! At least I can go to the Grave in Peace ...knowing I voted for him and in the Hope all your Generations make it another 200 hundred years or more ! Kucinich Americas Last Hope ! What is going to take for all of America to understand BUSH wants war with IRAN just like he did to Iraq ? Ahmadinejad already said on YOUTUBE to a American reporter that he did NOT want WAR with the USA and he wasnt making NUKES ! Period …and he laughed …so what if he did ? Other word we have a dictator period .Like Hitler ..But this one looks like you and me in a suit and smiles and makes jokes “everything is funny ” when its not at all funny …Dead Troops , crippled Troops …bankrupt Troops ! All for what Weapons of Mass destruction ? They never found any ! Like Iran has stopped production in 2003 ! Those people havent changed in 4,000 years and we ANT going to change them EVER .Has any one ever read the HISTORY of IRAN ? We will not last forever .We are weak very weak ..And we got Thompson who says we need more TROOPS sent around the world to other places …someone needs to tell him THERE IS NO MORE TO SEND ! They are over in IRAQ and NO one is joining and if there is a DRAFT kiss all your kids and granchildren goodbye ! Ask them what they want on their TOMB STONE ? Because you ANT going to see them any more and if you dont have grand-children now You will never have them … Becaus eits not possible ..All your kids will be dead all your future generations GONE …all because of The Bush Administration and The only one in ALL of America Brave enough to Make a Stand against him you arent voting for Dennis Kucinich …too bad …He is America’s Last and Final Hope ! At least I can go to the Grave in Peace …knowing I voted for him and in the Hope all your Generations make it another 200 hundred years or more ! Kucinich Americas Last Hope !

]]> By: JMOHR http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4175184 JMOHR Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:40:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4175184 Immediately after 9/11, the Iranian government expressed sympathy with the United States and came down hard on the terrorists. Iran was headed by a moderate reform government. Iran's president was angling towards better relations with the United States. He had popular support and sought to take on the religious fanatics in charge of Iran. However, Bush had to create his axis of evil and rebuffed attempts by the Iranian government to better relations. The moderates lost and we now have a far more radicalized government. Indeed, North Korea also reacted by leaving the treaty and testing a nuke. Of course, we finally negotiated back to the same deal that Clinton had negotiated. (Yes, the Koreans had some secret research on the side, like most countries. It took the Bush arrogance to turn the research into production and testing.) The Iranians are not really deterred by our current military posture in Iraq. Instead, they have seen the limits of our military power. The dissident citizens of Iran know the muck that we made of deposing Saddam. I am sure that they are really anxious for our help. The NIE makes it clear that Iran was more frightened of the pressure by its economic trading partners than the United States. Immediately after 9/11, the Iranian government expressed sympathy with the United States and came down hard on the terrorists. Iran was headed by a moderate reform government. Iran’s president was angling towards better relations with the United States. He had popular support and sought to take on the religious fanatics in charge of Iran. However, Bush had to create his axis of evil and rebuffed attempts by the Iranian government to better relations. The moderates lost and we now have a far more radicalized government. Indeed, North Korea also reacted by leaving the treaty and testing a nuke. Of course, we finally negotiated back to the same deal that Clinton had negotiated. (Yes, the Koreans had some secret research on the side, like most countries. It took the Bush arrogance to turn the research into production and testing.)

The Iranians are not really deterred by our current military posture in Iraq. Instead, they have seen the limits of our military power. The dissident citizens of Iran know the muck that we made of deposing Saddam. I am sure that they are really anxious for our help. The NIE makes it clear that Iran was more frightened of the pressure by its economic trading partners than the United States.

]]> By: SeanC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174981 SeanC Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:19:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174981 What a relief. Maybe we can ALL start beating the drums of peace... ~Sean What a relief. Maybe we can ALL start beating the drums of peace…

~Sean

]]> By: Exley http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174975 Exley Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:18:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174975 DigDug, This topic is being discussed further in the later Iran-NIE thread above. DigDug,

This topic is being discussed further in the later Iran-NIE thread above.

]]> By: DigDug http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174961 DigDug Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:12:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174961 <em>So, in other words, the combination of Bush’s diplomacy, tough talk and military action in Iraq paid off and successfully stopped the Iranians from pursuing their nuclear weapons program. Another success for President Bush. Comment by Exley What military action? Are you aware of some military action that Bush took against Iran that we aren’t? Comment by DigDug </em> Sorry, I just re-read your post and noticed you said military action <em>in Iraq</em>. *sigh* I've heard this arguement a lot lately and It's completely rediculous. How did getting bogged down in Iraq and over-stretching our military so we're un-able to deal with other emerging threats scare Iran into cooperating? If anything it has empowered and emboldened them. So, in other words, the combination of Bush’s diplomacy, tough talk and military action in Iraq paid off and successfully stopped the Iranians from pursuing their nuclear weapons program.

Another success for President Bush.

Comment by Exley

What military action? Are you aware of some military action that Bush took against Iran that we aren’t?

Comment by DigDug

Sorry, I just re-read your post and noticed you said military action in Iraq.

*sigh*

I’ve heard this arguement a lot lately and It’s completely rediculous. How did getting bogged down in Iraq and over-stretching our military so we’re un-able to deal with other emerging threats scare Iran into cooperating?

If anything it has empowered and emboldened them.

]]> By: DigDug http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174942 DigDug Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:06:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174942 <em> So, in other words, the combination of Bush’s diplomacy, tough talk and military action in Iraq paid off and successfully stopped the Iranians from pursuing their nuclear weapons program. Another success for President Bush. Comment by Exley </em> What military action? Are you aware of some military action that Bush took against Iran that we aren't? What this proves to me is that these problems can be dealt with without the use of military force. Just like it was in North Korea. So, my question to you is why are you and others always advocating invasion every time some foreign power starts to look like a possible threat. To me it sounds like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You claim military action is the only way to deal with these problems and then as soon as a situation is dealt with without force you quickly leap to claim it as a victory, even though your opposed it. Here's the other problem: Bush has had this report for the last year and is still walking around talking about how Iran is becoming great nuclear threat to us. So what's up with that?
So, in other words, the combination of Bush’s diplomacy, tough talk and military action in Iraq paid off and successfully stopped the Iranians from pursuing their nuclear weapons program.

Another success for President Bush.

Comment by Exley

What military action? Are you aware of some military action that Bush took against Iran that we aren’t?

What this proves to me is that these problems can be dealt with without the use of military force. Just like it was in North Korea.

So, my question to you is why are you and others always advocating invasion every time some foreign power starts to look like a possible threat.

To me it sounds like you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too. You claim military action is the only way to deal with these problems and then as soon as a situation is dealt with without force you quickly leap to claim it as a victory, even though your opposed it.

Here’s the other problem: Bush has had this report for the last year and is still walking around talking about how Iran is becoming great nuclear threat to us. So what’s up with that?

]]> By: Exley http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174922 Exley Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:59:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174922 So, in other words, the combination of Bush's diplomacy, tough talk and military action in Iraq paid off and successfully stopped the Iranians from pursuing their nuclear weapons program. Another success for President Bush. So, in other words, the combination of Bush’s diplomacy, tough talk and military action in Iraq paid off and successfully stopped the Iranians from pursuing their nuclear weapons program.

Another success for President Bush.

]]> By: mary http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174817 mary Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:11:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174817 What else happened in 2003? Oh! Can I play too? Gas prices began to skyrocket? (Helping Iran's bottom line very nicely thank you very much) What else happened in 2003?

Oh! Can I play too?

Gas prices began to skyrocket? (Helping Iran’s bottom line very nicely thank you very much)

]]> By: Bush Cover Ups http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174800 Bush Cover Ups Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:01:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174800 Oh good Iran is no longer an axil of Evil country and Bush should keep all options on the table INCLUDING DIRECT TALKS starting with an apology Oh good Iran is no longer an axil of Evil country and Bush should keep all options on the table INCLUDING DIRECT TALKS

starting with an apology

]]> By: JT http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174799 JT Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:00:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174799 Leftside Annie Your ability to post tripe and be a bully behind the keyboard is ineffectual and downright silly. If you can't stand contrarian viewpoints, then just admit to yourself that you are closeminded and unable to comprehend a broad array of intellectual discourse. Leftside Annie

Your ability to post tripe and be a bully behind the keyboard is ineffectual and downright silly. If you can’t stand contrarian viewpoints, then just admit to yourself that you are closeminded and unable to comprehend a broad array of intellectual discourse.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174788 Dave C Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:57:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174788 <em>You’re right, there’s no current reason to bomb Iran, which is why the Bush administration hasn’t done so. But what was it that stopped Iran from continuing with their nuclear weapons program in 2003? Was it…. because the US made a little visit next door? Was it… because the US/UK got Libya to give up their nuke program, and the entire black market operation of AQ Khan that had been providing parts to Iran? Hmmmm… Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:27 pm</em> Maybe they realized they didn't need nukes to attack the U.S. Just a few dudes with boxcutters could totally disrupt the infrastructure of the country and cost it trillions of dollars for years to come. No real need to spend their own money on a nuclear program. If you're suggesting that they disbanded a nuclear program because of the attack on Iraq, that doesn't make any sense. Iraq didn't have a nuclear program and they were attacked. Iraq didn't attack the U.S. and they were attacked. Iraq didn't even have WMD and they were attacked. Why would Iran disband their defence system to avoid an attack when preemptive attacks can be based on fake intelligence? They must know that if the U.S. chooses to attack them it will have little to do with their actions and everything to do with oil. You’re right, there’s no current reason to bomb Iran, which is why the Bush administration hasn’t done so. But what was it that stopped Iran from continuing with their nuclear weapons program in 2003? Was it…. because the US made a little visit next door? Was it… because the US/UK got Libya to give up their nuke program, and the entire black market operation of AQ Khan that had been providing parts to Iran?

Hmmmm…

Comment by DreamCrusher — December 3, 2007 @ 1:27 pm

Maybe they realized they didn’t need nukes to attack the U.S. Just a few dudes with boxcutters could totally disrupt the infrastructure of the country and cost it trillions of dollars for years to come. No real need to spend their own money on a nuclear program.

If you’re suggesting that they disbanded a nuclear program because of the attack on Iraq, that doesn’t make any sense. Iraq didn’t have a nuclear program and they were attacked. Iraq didn’t attack the U.S. and they were attacked. Iraq didn’t even have WMD and they were attacked. Why would Iran disband their defence system to avoid an attack when preemptive attacks can be based on fake intelligence? They must know that if the U.S. chooses to attack them it will have little to do with their actions and everything to do with oil.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174789 Juan C. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:57:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174789 <em>Your voice broke? Comment by bernard quatermass</em> LMAO!! Your voice broke?
Comment by bernard quatermass

LMAO!!

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174731 VerbalKint Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:33:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174731 I'm betting that the White House capitulated to this report finally coming out because Bush was told that there would be a revolt by the general staff at the Pentagon if he ordered a bombing campaign against Iran. I’m betting that the White House capitulated to this report finally coming out because Bush was told that there would be a revolt by the general staff at the Pentagon if he ordered a bombing campaign against Iran.

]]> By: bernard quatermass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174726 bernard quatermass Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:30:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174726 "What else happened in 2003…. I’m trying to put my finger on it…" Your voice broke? “What else happened in 2003…. I’m trying to put my finger on it…”

Your voice broke?

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174712 toasterhead Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:22:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174712 <i>I have not quite been the same since that last 1 and a half gainer into the mosh pit at a Crowbar concert. Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:20 pm</i> Sounds like a case of amnesia to me. The only cure is to have an anvil dropped on your head. I have not quite been the same since that last 1 and a half gainer into the mosh pit at a Crowbar concert.

Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:20 pm

Sounds like a case of amnesia to me. The only cure is to have an anvil dropped on your head.

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174711 shoeless Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:22:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174711 <em>Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:12 pm You talk silly Comment by dbadass</em> Yes, he speaks fluent neocon. Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:12 pm

You talk silly

Comment by dbadass

Yes, he speaks fluent neocon.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174709 bilbobaggins Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:21:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174709 Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:12 pm Another well thought out and intelligent post by our resident loon Hill Billy. Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:12 pm

Another well thought out and intelligent post by our resident loon Hill Billy.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174706 toasterhead Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:20:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174706 <i>Yes dbadbass, I have noticed a change in Iran’s prime sinister when one aims the pointy end of a “Jericho” IBM at his pooper. Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:12 pm</i> Iran doesn't have a prime minister, actually. They have a democratically-elected president and a supreme leader, but no PM. Yes dbadbass, I have noticed a change in Iran’s prime sinister when one aims the pointy end of a “Jericho” IBM at his pooper.

Comment by Billy Hill — December 3, 2007 @ 2:12 pm

Iran doesn’t have a prime minister, actually. They have a democratically-elected president and a supreme leader, but no PM.

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-4174705 tarazan Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:18:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/03/nie-iran/#comment-4174705 IAEA in numerous reports and statements and actual inspections inside Iran said Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons,specially the last report a month ago. Al Baradie,the head of inspection team, said there is no evidence that Iran is pursuing or developing nuclear weapons. Iran said it is not developing weapons. Sounds familiar !! Al Bradie said that after an months and years of inspecting Iraq..there is no evidence that Iraq is developing any WMDS. But the war began over the claims that Saddam was lying..and now Iran is lying... Where are the WMDS of Iraq?!! The most talked about subject (WMDS) before the Iraq war started in 2003 is no longer news anymore...!! IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF...?!! IAEA in numerous reports and statements and actual inspections inside Iran said Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons,specially the last report a month ago.
Al Baradie,the head of inspection team, said there is no evidence that Iran is pursuing or developing nuclear weapons.
Iran said it is not developing weapons.

Sounds familiar !! Al Bradie said that after an months and years of inspecting Iraq..there is no evidence that Iraq is developing any WMDS. But the war began over the claims that Saddam was lying..and now Iran is lying…

Where are the WMDS of Iraq?!!

The most talked about subject (WMDS) before the Iraq war started in 2003 is no longer news anymore…!!

IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF…?!!

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