Bush On Saudi Rape Case: I ‘Don’t Remember’ If I Brought It Up With King Abdullah
Bush On Saudi Rape Case: I ‘Don’t Remember’ If I Brought It Up With King Abdullah
This morning, CNN’s Ed Henry pointedly asked President Bush why he hasn’t used his “influence” to “do something” about the 19-year old Saudi woman who was the victim of a brutal gang rape and later sentenced to 200 lashes. The Saudi court blamed her for being an “adulteress who invited the attack.”
Bush refused to answer Henry’s question, simply stating that King Abdullah “knows our position loud and clear.” He said he recently spoke to King Abdullah “about the Middle Eastern peace,” but isn’t sure if he mentioned the Saudi case. “I don’t remember if that subject came up.”
When asked what went through his mind when he first heard about the case, Bush brushed aside his role as head of state, instead saying he would have been “very emotional” if it had happened to his daughter.
BUSH: My first thoughts were these.
What happens if this happened to my daughter? How would I react?
And I would have been — I would have been — I’d had — I would have been very emotional, of course.
I’d have been angry at those who committed the crime. And I would be angry at the state that didn’t support the victim.
And our opinions were expressed by Dana Perino from the pulpit — from the podium.
Watch it:
Despite the President’s strident rhetoric supporting global human rights, the administration has so far refused to condemn the Saudi government and push it to lift the sentence. When asked about the case last month, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said only that the situation is “very discouraging and outrageous. There is an appeals process and we hope that the verdict changes.” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said that the administration was “astonished,” but had “nothing else to offer.”
Looks like human rights aren’t as important as old “family friends.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: On another issue of credibility in the Mideast, at the Annapolis summit, you used your influence to get Saudi Arabia to the table. But I wonder whether now you will use your influence to do something about the Saudi rape case that’s gotten so much international attention.
What goes through your mind when you hear about a 19-year-old Saudi woman get gang-raped by seven men and basically a Saudi court blames the victim and sentenced her to 200 lashes?
You spoke to King Abdullah by telephone in the last couple of weeks. Did you press him on this case? If so, what did you say? And if not, are you giving him a pass?
BUSH: My first thoughts were these.
What happens if this happened to my daughter? How would I react?
And I would have been — I would have been — I’d had — I would have been very emotional, of course.
I’d have been angry at those who committed the crime. And I would be angry at the state that didn’t support the victim.
And our opinions were expressed by Dana Perino from the pulpit — from the podium. And…
QUESTION: Did you press King Abdullah about it personally?
BUSH: I talked to King Abdullah about the Middle Eastern peace. I don’t remember if that subject came up.
QUESTION: But if it’s that important to you, why wouldn’t you bring it — at that level, bring it directly up to King Abdullah?
BUSH: (inaudible) plenty of time. He knows our position loud and clear.
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Can’t take the chance that Prince Bandar might not want to hold hands and kiss on his next visit. Sorry, victim girl, priorities are fixed around the facts.
December 4th, 2007 at 12:52 pmHehehe. Imagine if a girl is gang raped in Iran…another reason to invade!
December 4th, 2007 at 12:54 pmBUSH: I talked to King Abdullah about the Middle Eastern peace. I don’t remember if that subject came up.
The master doesn’t want to be bother with these issues.
December 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pmOk the White House wants the Russian election checked for fraud but allows Saudi to give 200 lashes and 6 months in prison for the victim of gang rape. Sounds reasonable to me.
Can’t interfere with another country’s government, right.
December 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmIf it were your daughter Mr Bush then the Rapists would be bollock less by now and your daughter would be in counciling with daddy crying to soothe her pain
Get Balls Mr Bush and do what you can , or does cheap Oil cloud your judgement
December 4th, 2007 at 1:00 pm4 / Ok the White House wants the Russian election checked for fraud
then why did Bush tell the Election oversights they were not allowed to go to Russia, why did Bush pull the plug on them
Putin is good for Russia and the world , If it were not for Putin we would all be bullied by America, if not killed by America exeptionalism
dont forget more people worldwide trust Putin than Bush
December 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pm.
RUC @#1
How does one “FIX FACTS”?
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December 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmBush refused to answer Henry’s question, simply stating that King Abdullah “knows our position loud and clear.â€
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How could the king “know our position loud and clear” when Americans don’t know Bush’s position on this matter? And evidence suggests he doesn’t have one.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmMr. President, does 200 lashes to a rape VICTIM constitute torture or not? Perhaps your old friend John Ashcroft would be willing to submit to 200 lashes to show that it is not really torture.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmDubbie said:
I can’t wait to kiss faces and hold hands with my fa-vorite A-rab money buddies, heh heh heh. Maybe they’ll come to the ranch this time though…I don’t like sitting on the floor and eatin’ goat – I like beef! Texas beef! BBQ, heh heh heh….
Sauce and Slaw!!!
December 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI don’t think Bush had any idea what that question referred to. How about this one as a follow up: “Women in Saudi Arabia are denied the right of free travel, are not permitted to drive, and can’t work without their husband’s permission. And they can’t vote to change this because Saudi Arabia is not a democracy. Why hasn’t the U.S. threatened sanctions against Saudi Arabia for its horrible human rights record?”
December 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmSomeone correct me if I’m wrong, but nothing I’ve read has suggested that the woman who was raped and sentenced to 200 lashing was 12 years old?
Aside from that, Bush would most likely say that his daughters were asking for it if it happened to them.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pm#8 So why did the World famous Chess Player, Garry become imprisoned for 5 days when challenging Putin? And he was obviously abused looking at his face when released.
Putin is good? So many journalists have had deadly “incidents” happen to them who have dared to question Putin. So this is how you think the world is better by not questioning a government?
And no, I haven’t heard that Bush was sending then called off any investigation, we don’t have a right to investigate another country with the fraud we have right here on our own elections.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pmpulpit? talk about a Freudian slip!
December 4th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHey trolls…this is your codpiece commander! Look upon his brave face and hear his words of intense resolve when standing up to the vicious Saudi Islamofascists. This is what you admire so much–a chickenhawk pussy, same as he ever was.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHow does one “FIX FACTS�
Comment by Max-1 — December 4, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
By “catapulting the propoganda”, telling your own distortion with enough frequency and appeal to your audience’s prejudices that the audience “fixes” those distortions as “facts” in their own minds. For more information, please consult your local neocon.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pm#14 I thought she was 19 but she was married because her husband was interviewed asking for somebody to help them. Her husband was aware she was picking up some photographs with this man. And the man and the girl were raped not just her. Boy, sign me up to visit that country.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pmI think it’s horribly obvious at this point that our President doesn’t give a rats for human rights issues. Remember, “America doesn’t torture.”
December 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pmMax ~ fixem by selectively ignorinem.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmKing Abdullah probably told King George that the GIRL (not woman) and her attackers were a “coalition of the willing”.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmTwo words: Bandar Bush.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:14 pmIt is necessary to believe in human rights to defend rights and human rights, Constituition rights are beyond understanding for Bush.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:18 pmbush is an indecent low-life beyond belief
December 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pm.
Bush in reaction to the question that if it had been his daughter: “I’d have been angry at those who committed the crime. And I would be angry at the state that didn’t support the victim.”
But since it’s no one he knows or cares about, doesn’t matter. That tells you all you need to know about bush and his soulless supporters.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:22 pmIt’s fun watching someone that has no concept of human emotions try and conjur up how he would “feel”. He wouldn’t feel anything because he is incapable of it. The man is psychotic and delusional.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:23 pmI ‘Don’t Remember’ If I Brought It Up With King Abdullah.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmAsk Alberto.
Anyone knows if the male companion of the girl was also sentenced to be lashed? After all, he was also gang-raped but I guess if you’re a man and you’re raped, then it’s not so bad?
December 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI was again reminded of 9/11 this morning when I listened to the lier, mcchimp..He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the young woman that is being brutalized twice, once by rapest’s and again by her country…..Why would bull shit bush care, he didn’t care one little bit that the friend’s of his supported 15 of the terrorest’s that were allowed to take down the trade center’s and nearly 3,000 live’s of our own…..I get it, but doe’s the world or even many of our sleeping countrymen.? Doubtful and very sad, the sell out is right in front of the world and no one is up in arm’s….Like it didn’t happen at all to this young woman or us..Blessings
December 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pmComment by Billy Hill — December 4, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
i’m sure he couldn’t answer that question either billy, i’m sure he couln’t answer it either. ya see bush has what we call a “mushy” personality. he stands for nuthin’, jest nuthin’. so nuthin get’s done. get it? his pa were a good man, but w? he’s nuthin’, jest nuthin’.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pm26. Pretty weak, Billy. Though you did manage to post on this thread, which I thought would be troll-free. Why not make a comment on the topic?
December 4th, 2007 at 1:29 pmComment by Menehune — December 4, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
are you saying billy ain’t a trying? is that it?!
walk hard billy, walk hard.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:31 pmI love the patronizing smile at the end, the eat-shit-and-die for asking me a follow-up about whether we’ve registered our displeasure about the medievalness of this Saudi justice system. Yeah, I don’t remember….sure….it’s like Pilate washing his hands. I’m sure Bandar had another drink of scotch and smiled in a wily manner when Bush refused to admit he had pressed the Saudis over this. What a disgrace.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:31 pmHey look, someone in Iran farted towards the Iraq border… LETS NUKE THEM NOW!!!
Hey look, Saudi is sending about 65% of the foreign fighters into Iraq and now they are continuing their medieval abuses of womens.
Errr… better look the other way.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI’m surprise W brought up his daughters when it would be so much easier for him to quote his mother in these situations, you know, “Boys will be boys.”
December 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pmBush’s mind: “Was this woman a member of my tribe? No. Then I will imagine she was so I can pretend to care.”
December 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pmComment by Billy Hill — December 4, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
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First I would say the aide should be immediately fired, but they already did that as soon as they found out about it. Then I would say the justice system should get involved – but it already has. Lastly, if the aide pleads guilty, like Larry Craig did, I would say they shouldn’t get to take their plea back. Also, if the aide decides to plead innocent, then they should contact Tom Delay and Rudy G. to find out how to set up a legal defense fund.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pm26-no..it’s not a better question. That doesn’t reflect government endorsement of child rape while our refusal to push our good friends the Saudis suggests a willingness to turn the other cheek when it’s financially expedient for us. So no, go away with your weak-ass trolling.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:33 pmBUSH: My first thoughts were these.
What happens if this happened to my daughter? How would I react?
Now multiply that by 1.2 million people you a-hole. You killed 1.2 million daughters, sons, mothers and fathers in your illegal war in Iraq! Do you get emotional about their unnecessary deaths?
December 4th, 2007 at 1:33 pmA better question for the day would be “what do you think should be done to stop attempted child rape and child rape here in the US by a Senators staff member via the net�
http://www.komotv.com/news/local/12098786.html
Comment by Billy Hill — December 4, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
And the Senator in question has fired the staff member and is cooperating fully with the investigation.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmHillbilly, of course W would do nothing he’s never done anything regarding any of the Republican sex scandal. However the Democratic Senator immediately fired the staff member. And yet you Hillbilly, in your infinite stupidity show up here and act like this is relevant.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pm39., 40., 41.,
billy? billy?! c’mon outta the bunkhouse and defend yourself! they’re crapping all over ya son.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:38 pmAnd the Senator in question has fired the staff member and is cooperating fully with the investigation.
Comment by toasterhead — December 4, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
yeah but the only reason he’s “cooperating” is because it’s the opposite of what the republicans have done in similar situations, right billy?
December 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pmA better question for the day would be “what do you think should be done to stop attempted child rape and child rape here in the US by a Senators staff member via the net�
Comment by Billy Hill — December 4, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Trying to distract from the topic with a shiny object?
In the first place — what makes this a “better question”? That it took place in the United States instead of Saudi Arabia? Or that it was the staff member of a Democratic Senator? Neither one of these qualifies it as a “better question”.
Second — the staff member was quickly fired and arrested. Our system of justice will take care of him. It’s doubtful that the staff member’s victims will be punished.
Now, back to the topic. Bush is playing a wildly convoluted game of dodge ball to avoid 1) appearing to condone an aspect of Saudi justice that almost all Americans find abhorrent, and 2) offending his Saudi buddies. Do you have anything to say about this?
December 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pm46-Joe-that’s all he had….he’s a chickenhawk….he lobs grenades and then runs the other way.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pm49-missmolly-no, he has nothing to say about that-he has no defense. the emperor is not wearing any clothes.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:42 pmsince when has a Republican EVER cooperated fully with an investigation?
Comment by republicans hate facts
That would have been the starr witchhunt.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pm#50…Too bad for the pygmies. Funny how they now sound just like Americans. What will they get next? Probably ADD like our own Mr. Billy P. Hill
December 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmToday I am more concerned … punished according to the laws of the land.
Comment by Billy Hill — December 4, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
WTF?
December 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmComment by Billy Hill — December 4, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Today I am more concerned about the plight of the Mental Pigmies of Neo-Conia. The growing international news influx has brought on a reading frenzy with truths and facts to the locals. Never in their history have they been exposed to these amounts of exposure and the results are devastating. Increased lies, hypocrisy, abandoning a sinking boat, and the like. This is a much bigger problem than a little rich boy who broke the laws and is going to be punished according to the laws of the land.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:48 pmBush refused to answer Henry’s question, simply stating that, “I don’t want to talk about techniques. But I do assure the American people that King Abdullah was within the law and he doesn’t torture. I have said all along to the American people he won’t torture. But he needs to be in a position where he can interrogate these people.”
December 4th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI am sure global warming is having an affect on them as well.
Comment by Billy Hill — December 4, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Must resist… Must… not… pun on global warming and affection…
December 4th, 2007 at 1:53 pmPoor William Hill. Forced to rely on his dullard wit to amuse himself.
It’s absolutely tragicomic.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pm58.
“Al Goreilla”? son, you can’t be a’ stealin’ someone’s elses’ shit and then be callin’ it your own. it ain’t right, now is it?
this would be a good time fer ya to own up and apologize. you’d be a squarin’ it with jesus too billy, you’d be a squarin’ it with jesus too.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmbilly, our lord is waiting for you.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmBilly got a book about Pygmies at Wal Mart.
On which day of the Genesis did God make the pygmies, Billy?
Wait – pygmies are not mentioned in Genesis – -Billy!!!!! Drop that book and burn it right now!!!!!! Jane Fonda is trying to make you gay!!!!
December 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmBilly? Billy? You’re getting shat on here pal. Now’s the time to come out and defend yourself :) Yeah….that’s what I thought. Back to the hole.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:56 pmuh-oh – the pygmy book had time to take effect, and now Billy’s racing to the nearest airport (or public park) to find him some weiners.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI think you need a proper transcript of what the President really said:
“My first thought was..
uh.
uh.
uh.”
You’re welcome.
Cmon we all know the guy is to big a pussy to stand up to the Saudis.
December 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmbilly, the future of conservatism rests upon your sloped shoulders! billy, for the love of god!
December 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmActually, he just wants to get butt-raped so he can go on Fox and tell the world how it’s really no big deal, and who cares if that Saudi girl gets whipped
(one might care to note that those not sufficiently outraged over the case are misogynistic pricks who harbor secret fantasies of violence and rape)
December 4th, 2007 at 1:59 pmHe was too busy cooking up a war with Iran. That would spike the price of Saudi crude. Those oil guys look out for each other.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:03 pmbilly… billy! i luvs ya billy… your mah boy!
December 4th, 2007 at 2:04 pmAmanda at TP: Please fix the typo regarding the woman’s age. Per the linked article: “The victim’s name has not been released. She was raped about 18 months ago in Qatif, a city in the Eastern Province, and has become known in the Saudi media as “the Qatif girl.†She was 19 years old at the time of the assault. “
She’s probably 22 now, not 12. However, my outrage at her “punishment” is not diminished.
Anyone notice that Bush seemed out of it in that presser? He’s either heavily medicated or back on the wagon at land record breaking speed.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:04 pmAnyone notice that Bush seemed out of it in that presser? He’s either heavily medicated or back on the wagon at land record breaking speed.
Comment by Theresa — December 4, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
he didn’t look anybody in the eyes when he spoke, it was like he was talking to his pa about the dent in family car back a way back was he was 18.
evasive.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:07 pmEh. It was just a bunch of fraternity boys having some fun, right, Chimpy??
December 4th, 2007 at 2:08 pmCome on, Billy, say something else so we can make fun of you some more!
December 4th, 2007 at 2:08 pm“my first thoughts were these….um er stumble….mumble….” – yeah right – he never gave it even one thought obviously….where were the cries of how crazy the fanatical islamists are?….oh it’s saudi arabia – better pass on that one….gutless prick
December 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pmGeorge, if you didn’t bring up the subject the saud surely didn’t. But we all know you have a memory problem and well as a lying problem. So lay the blame somewhere else. Or prehaps, why don’t you propose a similar law for America to go along with the the “thought law” that will be passed in the senate shortly. You could wrap all these laws into a nice little christmas present for America.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pm\/\/: “I do misremember.”
Gwynn Blech: “He is like honest Abe!!”
December 4th, 2007 at 2:12 pmCome on, Billy, say something else so we can make fun of you some more!
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 4, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
go ahead and laugh if you be a wantin’ too. i’m jest afraid billy mighta hurt himself. he gets depressed somethin’ awful at times. we’re talking about a man who cares about pygmies ya know.
walk hard billy, walk hard.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:13 pmit was an awkward question, and an even more awkward response. however, i don’t think it’s realistic to think that bush would have pressured abdullah (family friend or not) into pardoning the victim’s sentence, or otherwise taken extra-legal action against saudi arabia. i mean, what do you want bush to do? put economic sanctions on the main supplier of oil and gas to the usa?
if you (think progress readers) are really opposed to saudi arabia, than i have a suggestion for you: stop driving!
December 4th, 2007 at 2:14 pmi mean, what do you want bush to do? put economic sanctions on the main supplier of oil and gas to the usa?
Comment by darladoon — December 4, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
yes.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmIt’s just part of being a member of Mens Club of Oil Men. The only thing that matters is keepin the flow and uppin the profits. Women? Fuggim’. Wommin’ relatives? fuggem too.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:21 pmBush: My first thoughts were these.
Where’d I leave that vial of the pink Columbian coke I had this mornin, good shet.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:23 pmI thought Bush wanted to “Kiss” somebody there or at least hold hands….
December 4th, 2007 at 2:24 pmJust one more thought…remember back when this chump was campaigning how he used his relationship with the Saudis as a good thing. How he would “jawbone’ the Saudis? He does seem to be able to get them to miraculously lower the price of oil when it becomes politically expedient, but somehow this didn’t rate any jawboning. What a sad excuse for a leader.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:26 pmFirst of all, a 12-year old is a girl, not a woman.
Secondly, I’m surprised more folks haven’t commented on this:
That says pretty much all one needs to know about Bush, now doesn’t it?
December 4th, 2007 at 2:27 pmdarladoon, the whole point is the bush administration gives a pass to Saudi Arabia in situations where any other muslim country is maligned; women’s rights, sponsoring terrorism, etc.
We have vilified Iran and Iraq, but the bush family’s cozy relationship with the saudi royal family has been protected no matter how much the saudis contribute to middle east unrest. More saudis are acting as insurgents in Iraq than any other country…bush keeps turning a blind eye to any atrocity committed by SA, while magnifiying any perceived mistake by other ME nations.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:28 pmOkay … just saw the update. She was, in fact, 19.
Thanks for the clarification.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pmi mean, what do you want bush to do? put economic sanctions on the main supplier of oil and gas to the usa?
Comment by darladoon — December 4, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Thanks for demonstrating so vivdly the wingnut principle of profit (comfort, economic stability, whatever) before human rights.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmjoe cantwell,
you want bush to put economic sanctions on saudi arabia?
please allow me to fall backwards, onto the ground, laughing hysterically.
i really, truly hope that you are a non-driver, and even a non-user of any diesel or unleaded transportation, either public or private, and even a non-flier. i also hope that you never, every buy anything which was imported into the city where you live.
saudi arabia’s inexorable ascendence is due (in full) to their exportation of energy to the developed and developing worlds. americans consume more energy, per capita, than any other country in the world.
you do the math, i’ll wait…..
December 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pmyeah, i wanna talk about human rights. enlighten me.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:34 pmdarladoon, the whole point is the bush administration gives a pass to Saudi Arabia in situations where any other muslim country is maligned; women’s rights, sponsoring terrorism, etc.
We have vilified Iran and Iraq, but the bush family’s cozy relationship with the saudi royal family has been protected no matter how much the saudis contribute to middle east unrest. More saudis are acting as insurgents in Iraq than any other country…bush keeps turning a blind eye to any atrocity committed by SA, while magnifiying any perceived mistake by other ME nations.
while an informed comment, it still doesn’t absolve us of the question of what bush can realistically do in this type of situation (in a press briefing room).
while i agree with the ’cause,’ and the ideas behind it, we all have to take some responsibility for this. saudi arabia has an awful government. and so do we. but the corporations in both countries, and the millions of employees and consumers they serve, are continuing to serve a function, with or without the government.
so, to stop trading with saudi arabia, because of one rape victim, is insane, no matter how heinous the sentence on her.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:38 pmFact check – Saudi Arabia is not the majority supplier of oil and gas to the US.
Try again.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pmFour thousand dead soldiers don’t make him angry and emotional either. They are “just numbers” — an abstraction — wounded soldiers may make him shed a tear if cameras are present, although, he prefers to jog with amputees, and beat them to the finish line.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:42 pmplease allow me to fall backwards, onto the ground, laughing hysterically.
Comment by darladoon — December 4, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
I dont think Osama Bin Laden, a Saudi, is very funny. Why do you?
December 4th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWord is HillBilly was raped by a Pygmy in grade school. Never forgot it.
Trouble is, he LIKED it.
Now he has pygmies on his mind…Bush, Carrot Top, McLellan, Perle…
December 4th, 2007 at 2:45 pmOf course Bush brought it up and was told to “shut the F$#@ up punk.”
December 4th, 2007 at 2:55 pmAnyone notice that Bush seemed out of it in that presser? He’s either heavily medicated or back on the wagon at land record breaking speed.
Comment by Theresa — December 4, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Oh I thought it was just because he’s so damn dumb. He sounded just like Billy Hill does here all the time, dumber than a box of rocks.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:57 pmdarladoon, we get more oil from Canada than Saudi Arabia here in the US. Stop making stuff up to fit your argument, that is just so Republican.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pm“What happens if this happened to my daughter? How would I react?”
LOL! He could care less about his wild twin daughters: Jen and Tonic.
“And I would have been — I would have been — I’d had — I would have been very emotional, of course.”
And that is why Jack Daniels [his daytime friend and nighttime company] that he yearns for gets him through his daily emotional duress.
This is just pain and suffering day to hear such stupid and retarded rhetoric from this clown President. It’s a never ending story with him.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmOh god. Not *another* stupid Bushtoady apologist troll….!
Darla – I’m all in favor of us not trading with the Saudis. That’s a nation ruled by a dictatorial and corrupt monarchy, full of religious extremists who hate us (Osama bin Laden, etc.), that has a worse human rights record than China. They behead criminals there – at least in China they shoot them in the back of the head.
If America had any moral high ground left (which we don’t), we would not trade at all with SA – we would develop alternative sources of energy so we would not have to kiss their tryannical, medieval butts – and look the other way when a 19 year old girl is punished with 200 lashes for having the gall to be gang-raped by 7 men.
Shame on us.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:16 pmActually Jenna has changed her wild style, has written a book depicting the pain of a young mother suffering with aids. Jenna also said she, “disagreed on many issues with her father.”
December 4th, 2007 at 3:18 pmNot Trade with Saudis ? Their countrymen 15 of the hijackers bombed our buildings and killed 3000 Americans and we allowed them special travel out of the U.S. without even questioning them. You think Bush would say anything over a trivial problem of a poor woman being imprisoned for being gang raped? Please.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:20 pmif you (think progress readers) are really opposed to saudi arabia, than i have a suggestion for you: stop driving!
Comment by darladoon
I have another idea. Buy all of your gas from Citgo. I do.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI’m not driving, and I don’t much – maybe 100 miles a month. Don’t need it, and wouldn’t miss it.
If we weren’t, collectively, such spoiled self-centered babies, we wouldn’t have half the problems we do.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:39 pmwhat happened to darladoon?
gave up i guess.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:52 pm“our opinions” – what, is he the Queen now using the royal “we”? I watched it again, and I still think he had no idea what the question was about (he bragged that he doesn’t read the newspaper, after all).
December 4th, 2007 at 3:56 pm105 – and that’s different from your approach how???
December 4th, 2007 at 4:00 pmBush should be made to watch the lashing. Based on standard practice, each lash will take roughly 4 seconds. There is generally a 15-20 second pause after 50 lashes to implement a substitution for a rested lasher. So anticipate somewhere in the neighborhood of slightly more than 14 solid minutes of watching a 19 year-old woman being repeatedly, systematically, unrelentingly flogged, complete with scores of welts breaking open along the flayed scapular region, mid-back and shoulders, the torso, buttocks and legs drenched in blood, the body generally sprayed from blood, feces and urine, initial screams and howls of agony, followed by pathetic groans, then eventual silence as the victim collapses into shock-induced unconsciousness.
But Bush right in their, ringside, so he can witness first-hand.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:00 pmAt least Hugo honored the results of that vote, rather than having his Dad’s golf buddies on the Supreme Court force the vote counting to stop.
Southern Man’s time done come and gone, bro.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:03 pmBest git yerself a compound
Up in Ida-ho
[dubbie was too busy gobblin' the royal goo to get a word in edgewise...he doesn't go there to be listened to - he goes there to be told what to do]
December 4th, 2007 at 4:15 pm110…I saw that movie–Passion of the Christ, right?
December 4th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI have another idea. Buy all of your gas from Citgo. I do.
Comment by shoeless — December 4, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Hugo lost his bid to be a dictator. If you supported him because of his dislike of Bush, the reason you bought gas from Citgo has changed. Now your supporting the peoples of Venezuella, and not the commie. They thank you.
Comment by Southern Man
I could care less whether Chavez likes or dislikes your Bushgod. That obsession is your little neurosis. I have a better reason for buying all of my gas from Citgo. Unlike Bush’s friends, the DICTATORS of Saudi Arabia, Hugo Chavez, the LEGALLY ELECTED President of Venezuela, does not support the Wahabi terrorists who attacked the United States.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:37 pmAt least Hugo honored the results of that vote, rather than having his Dad’s golf buddies on the Supreme Court force the vote counting to stop.
Southern Man’s time done come and gone, bro.
Best git yerself a compound
Up in Ida-ho
Comment by tombaker
Isn’t it amazing how these Bush worshipping wingnuts love brutal dictators, like King Abdullah, and General Musharraf who support and harbor the very terrorists who attacked our country, while they despise democratically elected leaders like Chavez or former French President Chirac, just because they criticized their Chosen One. It just shows they care nothing for our country. Their only allegiance is to Bush.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pmToo bad the Chimp has come so close to succeeding in HIS bid to become Dictator of America.
Maybe Venezuelans are smarter than we are.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pmBush probably caught that Libby-Gonzales brain flu.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:01 pmA different day means a different approach to whatever subject you progressives have on the agenda. Today it’s the rape of a Saudi woman who gets punished for being a woman in Saudi. Bush doesn’t do anything about it, and you crucify him for it. Last week he was villified for meddeling in other countries affairs, which many of you wrote†That’s why the world hates us, he needs to stay out of their business!â€. Which is it progressives. Does Bush stay out of other countries affairs, or does he force them to adhere to the same rules most of the western world does? It’s so pathetic, it’s funny. Do you read what you write anymore?
Comment by Southern Man — December 4, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
There is a significant difference between publicly criticizing (or even applying diplomatic pressure), and forcing one’s views with the barrel of a gun. The former is OK. The latter is not. The former involves words (and potentially quashing deals unrelated to national security). The latter involves billions of dollars, and violating another human being’s right to live.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:13 pmBush should be made to watch the lashing. Based on standard practice, each lash will take roughly 4 seconds. There is generally a 15-20 second pause after 50 lashes to implement a substitution for a rested lasher. So anticipate somewhere in the neighborhood of slightly more than 14 solid minutes of watching a 19 year-old woman being repeatedly, systematically, unrelentingly flogged, complete with scores of welts breaking open along the flayed scapular region, mid-back and shoulders, the torso, buttocks and legs drenched in blood, the body generally sprayed from blood, feces and urine, initial screams and howls of agony, followed by pathetic groans, then eventual silence as the victim collapses into shock-induced unconsciousness.
But Bush right in their, ringside, so he can witness first-hand.
Comment by philomena — December 4, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
You would not have to MAKE a sociopath like George W. Bush watch such a horrific spectacle. He would gladly PAY to watch it, and would likely make sure the U.S. taxpayer shelled out the moola for front-row, PREMIUM, blood-and-sweat-and-feces-and-urine-splash-zone, ringside seats.
No, such would not give him pause. It would encourage his abhorrent behavior.
After all, he certainly feels something with regards to his daughter, yet…by his own speech strongly indicates with physical and mental cues that he does NOT feel for the ACTUAL woman who is being tortured by Saudi Arabia.
December 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pmSouthern Man’s time done come and gone, bro.
Best git yerself a compound
Up in Ida-ho
Comment by tombaker — December 4, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Hell no!! Those white racists moved on when they lost their compound in a lawsuit — we don’t want that idiot up here.
December 4th, 2007 at 7:26 pmputting bush’s weak-as-piss response aside,where are the united nations on this? – they should be going balls out to put a stop to atrocities such as this – don’t they have human rights reps there? – reminds me a few years back of a woman in,i think it was sudan (could be wrong there),who was condemned to death by stoning after being convicted of adultery,and then after huge international outcry and pressure,she got a reprieve – why isn’t the same thing happening with this girl from saudi arabia?
December 4th, 2007 at 7:55 pmSouthern Pansy, punked again. You’re not going to get away with your antiAmerican treason on this board, SM. Take it tp LGF, they’d like to see their deomocracy turned into a third-world dictatorship, which is Bushco’s goal.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:35 pmFact check – Saudi Arabia is not the majority supplier of oil and gas to the US.
Try again.
ok, fine. their the second largest importer. whatever, my point still stands.
Oh god. Not *another* stupid Bushtoady apologist troll….!
Darla – I’m all in favor of us not trading with the Saudis. That’s a nation ruled by a dictatorial and corrupt monarchy, full of religious extremists who hate us (Osama bin Laden, etc.), that has a worse human rights record than China. They behead criminals there – at least in China they shoot them in the back of the head.
If America had any moral high ground left (which we don’t), we would not trade at all with SA – we would develop alternative sources of energy so we would not have to kiss their tryannical, medieval butts – and look the other way when a 19 year old girl is punished with 200 lashes for having the gall to be gang-raped by 7 men.
it’s funny, but your characterization of saudi arabian culture-politics smacks of self-importance. the united states is viewed around the world as being just as awful, if not worse, than saudi arabia.
“we would develop alternative sources of energy”? oh man, i have no idea as to how to respond to such overt simplicity.
to finish, i just how one poster assumed i was a bush republican, despite my existence as a black, jewish, lesbian, herb-growing hippie from northern california…..
December 5th, 2007 at 2:21 amif you people really want to make life difficult for saudi arabia, i would start by not driving.
seriously.
or stop buying products made possible by saudi arabia.
good luck!!!
saudi arabia is, single-handedly, making our luxurious lifestyle possible!
britney spears should personally thank the abdullah!
December 5th, 2007 at 2:25 americ alterman blamed ralph nader for our current president
does anyone see the problem here?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:27 americ alterman = cynical, sad, depressed, tired, hackneyed
think progress = eric alterman
i love how all these supposed “liberal” websites regularly engage in the most depressing form of political engagement……else why engage with michael savage? our intellectuals are as cancerous as mr. savage…..
you wanna cure mr. savage? forgive him. love him. embrace him. make him fee like his views are ok. at least he doesn’t kill people.
whatever…..all of you are crazy, so am i….
December 5th, 2007 at 2:32 amto finish, i just how one poster assumed i was a bush republican, despite my existence as a black, jewish, lesbian, herb-growing hippie from northern california…..
Comment by darladoon — December 5, 2007 @ 2:21 am
That’s a good one! Tell us another…
December 5th, 2007 at 10:52 amto finish, i just how one poster assumed i was a bush republican, despite my existence as a black, jewish, lesbian, herb-growing hippie from northern california…..
Comment by darladoon — December 5, 2007 @ 2:21 am
That’s a good one! Tell us another…
Comment by Zooey
This has become the standard cop out for Bush Republicans. None of them ever supported Bush.
December 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pm