Podhoretz’s ‘Dark Suspicion’: Intel Community Trying To Sabotage Bush With NIE
Podhoretz’s ‘Dark Suspicion’: Intel Community Trying To Sabotage Bush With NIE
Norman Podhoretz, widely reputed to be the “godfather” of neoconservatism, has been one of the most aggressive hawks clamoring for war with Iran. Podhoretz laid out the “The Case For Bombing Iran” in a June cover story in the right-wing Commentary Magazine. He insisted that the Iranians were very close to developing a nuclear weapon:
[Iran’s] effort to build a nuclear arsenal makes it the potentially most dangerous one of all. […]
“[A]ll this negotiating has had the same result as Munich had with Hitler. That is, it has bought the Iranians more time in which they have moved closer and closer to developing nuclear weapons.”
Yesterday’s NIE proved Podhoretz’s claims were false. Rather than modify his views on Iran, Podhoretz — who was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2004 — aired a nasty conspiracy theory yesterday, attacking the authors of the NIE and accusing the intelligence community of deliberately “leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush:”
I must confess to suspecting that the intelligence community, having been excoriated for supporting the then universal belief that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, is now bending over backward to counter what has up to now been a similarly universal view (including as is evident from the 2005 NIE, within the intelligence community itself) that Iran is hell-bent on developing nuclear weapons. […]
But I entertain an even darker suspicion. It is that the intelligence community, which has for some years now been leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush, is doing it again. This time the purpose is to head off the possibility that the President may order air strikes on the Iranian nuclear installations.
After insisting that Iran was “only a small step away from producing nuclear weapons,” and after pushing for military strikes against Iran for months, Podhoretz is apparently determined not to let facts get in the way of his prayers for an Iran war.
UPDATE: Podhoretz isn’t the only conservative desperately spinning the NIE to buttress his hawkish positions. Some other examples from conservative blogs:
Strata-Strata: “This smells like another leak by forces in our intel community trying to — once again — influence our national elections.”
Powerline: “But the report offers no reason to be less concerned about the likelihood that Iran will possess nuclear weapons in the near future, and no reason to doubt that our own willingness to take military action is one of the factors that will influence decision-making in Tehran.”
Michelle Malkin: “What’s not making headlines (the certainty that Iran indeed had a nuke program) is as telling as what is making news (the halting of the program in 2003).”
Seth Liebelson at the Corner: If Iran shut its program down in the fall of 2003 MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT it have anything to do with it noticing that the US militarily took out its neighbor (another enemy of the U.S.) earlier that year for, among other things, having a concealed WMD program?
Michael Rubin at the Corner: “If Iran was working on a nuclear weapons program until 2003, what does this say about U.S. policy in the late Clinton period and European engagement?”
News Hoggers and SadlyNo have more.
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You betcha,
That oil that belongs to those who inhabit the land where said oil is located.
I’d be building nukes too to thwart any attempt at taking away what is rightfully belongs to me.
And if we turned the Middle East into a glass factory, we wouldn’t have much of a World to enjoy our “stolen” resources.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:25 pmThat’s the way to spin this: “Bush” vs. “Intelligence”. Way to go, Norm.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIf so, we finally have some people in government worthy of the medal of freedom.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:28 pmMaybe if one of your team had been criminally outed, you’d be in a mood to show the perps up too.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pmYou leak the identity of one of their own, and you can expect to be repaid in kind.
Once again, the meaning of “fairness” escapes the Righty mind.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmInteresting words coming from one of the CPD folks who’s been trying to kill the CIA since the 1970s.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWith the repulsives looking to lose in 2008 , I was sure there plan was to start a war with Iran , this was there only chance of winning in 08 ,,
If the democrats start talking to Iran through direct talks
The democrats might win in 08
December 4th, 2007 at 2:31 pmGeez — I already said in an earlier thread today (I think it was ThinkFast regarding Ehud Barak) that I’m getting sick and tired of bloviators with nothing but an opinion and an agenda. And how you give us Podhoretz!
This guy is completely delusional. And he’ll spin whatever information is out there to fit his twisted little scenario.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pmgreat then you can take your missile defence system in Europe and stuff it
December 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pmAnd, haven’t all of old Norman’s thoughts been “dark” and “suspicious”?
I believe Norman Podhoretz to be dark and suspicious, and have ever since I had to troll his prose in college.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIf the Great Warrior Bush decides to lie to the American people, it’s OK, because as our Father figure, he is in the unique position of deciding what’s right for us, without the useless fetters of legalese like some goddamn piece of paper.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:34 pmA tin hat would fit NPod perfectly.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWhat exactly would we gain from fomenting further instability in the Middle East? I cannot understand this saber-rattling, especially when we don’t have any more troops available to back up our threats. I suppose we’d just bomb whatever we thought were nuclear plants and then sit back and watch the circus? (We know from experience how precise our “precision bombing” is.) What play book is this administration reading from anyway?
December 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pmDamned right there’s a conspiracy.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThe sixty fi ve percent of the American people who think GW is camel humping this nation are conspiring to remove his party from the shreds of power they now cling to.
Conspiracy theories are perfectly acceptable so long as they involve Iran and NOT Dick Cheney, Iraq, 9-11, corporations, telecoms, Bohemian Grove, Fox News, Guiliani, Saudis, the Bush family or UFOs.
Thanks for clarifying, Whoreman.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:38 pmI wonder if he has one of them Limbaugh truth detectors in his head…
“leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush:†-NP
The truth undermined \/\/?
December 4th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWhy would Bush order airstrikes on Iran’s nuclear installations. Didn’t TP just tell us that Iran has completely shut down all nuclear activity? If infact Iran isn’t producing any nuclear material anymore, there is no reason to attack them. I certainly hope this all turns out true. Still seem strange that Iran’s President who just talked how nuclear power is Iran’s right now just shut it all down. Good for him I guess.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:40 pmNot to mention blaming the faulty intelligence on Iraq that they TOLD him was faulty, which HE CHOSE to present to the world as FACT. on them.
Its about time they stood up for themselves against his lies.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 4, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
who knows. maybe Bush BELIEVED the intelligence was true.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:40 pmAlmost forgot the mother of all acceptable rightwing conspiracies: THE CLINTONS.
But NOTHING else, you tinfoil hat lefties!
December 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI bet germany is pissed off with bush , after they just lost 400 billion in Iranian sales
December 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pmNo one needs to ’sabatoge’ anything because Bush will fck it up without any help.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pmWhat exactly would we gain from fomenting further instability in the Middle East? I cannot understand this saber-rattling, especially when we don’t have any more troops available to back up our threats.
Comment by Averel — December 4, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html
December 4th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThe ship of state is foundering on a reef and the captain seems dazed and is looking more and more like he’s on the sauce. The first mate has delusions of grandeur and is threatening to open up with the cannons even though that would likely capsize the ship. If it isn’t time for a mutiny, what is?
December 4th, 2007 at 2:43 pmStill seem strange that Iran’s President who just talked how nuclear power is Iran’s right now just shut it all down. Good for him I guess.
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 4, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Did Iran shut down its research and development work in nuclear power? When did this happen?
December 4th, 2007 at 2:46 pmStart selling your Halliburton, Lockheed and defense company related stocks!!! They just peaked.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:48 pmAl Qaeda is just a successful oil exploration company
December 4th, 2007 at 2:50 pmHAW HAW HAW! Oh that is just priceless! Now the NIE is a liberal plot of some kind?
December 4th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThey will all join Podhoretz soon and blame the NIE, the media, the Dems and the “librals” for causing their boy-king to be uncomfortable.
They will ignore that Hadley said Bush got this intel months ago (one, two or eleven?) and Bush said he got it last week.
Bushie also said that when he first heard of new intel, he didn’t get what it contained, only that it was “new.”
If someone came to the president with such incomplete and useless information, why didn’t he demand a full report? Was he purposely avoiding hearing facts then so he could deny he knew anything today?
Also, since when is it a crime to have knowledge? Bush has gone from demanding that Iran give up the (non-existent) weapons program, to now demanding they be denied even knowing about weapons.
Soon he will be demanding that people stop thinking. Or, perhaps he would prefer a state such as in the movie “minority report” where the thought police get you if negative thoughts come to your mind and you might do something “bad.”
December 4th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThat’s better.
Neocons back alleging huge conspiracy theories instead of being relevant or influential.
Ahhh.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:54 pmThe fact that he refuses to alter his rhetoric and insists that nothing has changed is an admission that intelligence plays no part in his decisions. It also is proof that the invasion of Iraq was based upon falsehoods and that he was blatantly lying when he said in the months before that he hadn’t made up his mind about invading.
The intelligence changes but his assessment doesn’t. Great.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhy would Bush order airstrikes on Iran’s nuclear installations. Didn’t TP just tell us that Iran has completely shut down all nuclear activity? If infact Iran isn’t producing any nuclear material anymore, there is no reason to attack them. I certainly hope this all turns out true. Still seem strange that Iran’s President who just talked how nuclear power is Iran’s right now just shut it all down. Good for him I guess.
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 4, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Oh come on, Roger — even you usually pay more attention than this. Focus.
TP has never made a claim that Iran has completely shut down all nuclear activity, because they haven’t. They continue with their nuclear power program.
And it was an NIE report (not TP) that made the claim that Iran halted all activity having to do with developing nuclear weapons back in 2003.
And you’re right — there really IS no reason to attack Iran, but Bush, Cheney, and all their neocon buddies won’t rest until they find one. Even Bush is putting a bizarre spin on the NIE report:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22095352/
December 4th, 2007 at 2:55 pm“Sabotage Bush with intelligence.” So THAT’S what works? Seems like Bush would have been sabotaged long ago.
Don’t let Uncle Dick find out - he’ll be pissed.
December 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmHe’d better watch out where he’s pointing that finger.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmSome Bushbot might mistake it for something else and start sucking on it.
The USA has put enormous pressure for the passage of the oil law, including making it a condition for economic assistance, and for political support for the government of Prime Minister al-Maliki. Yet five successive US-imposed deadlines for passing the law – December 2006, and March, May, July and September 2007 – have all been missed in the face of powerful Iraqi opposition.
Looks like it going to fail , THANK GOD
December 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmSo the intelligence community is trying to undermine Bush?
And this is a bad thing?
At any rate, when has this guy gotten anything right?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:03 pmFax? Wha Fax? I dinnt see any Fax. No one -, ir, uh, I dont, uh, they didn’t show me a fax..?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:03 pmAt any rate, when has this guy gotten anything right?
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — December 4, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
didn’t he just bring peace to the middle east last week?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:05 pmRoger Roger
IRAN is still using its centrifuges to enrich to 5% for fuel, you could theoretically keep feeding the uranium back through them to enrich to 80% for a bomb
so please keep your normal rhetoric coming, you do a Wonderful job at showing exactly how dumb the 24%ers are
December 4th, 2007 at 3:06 pmdidn’t he just bring peace to the middle east last week?
Comment by dim wit — December 4, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Ha!
:D
December 4th, 2007 at 3:07 pmwait for what Cheney has to say … I await this Sunday’s Wolf Blitzer prog on CNN, where he will ask Darth this very question .. if he dares.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:11 pmNeoconartists:
December 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pmDon’t let the facts get in the way of your dogma.
#32 Oh,
So Iran is still actively building its nuclear capabilities. So this report means nothing and nothing has changed. I still hope for a diplomatic outcome but if they haven’t stopped yet, they truly are endangering the world and need to be stopped one way or the other.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pmPoor yanks
they have obviously realised they will lose if they take on Iran, so are reduced to making excuses.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pm#39 Are you one of the 10 people that still support the Dem controlled congress?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pmNPod: Just another impotent old BushCo liar who wants to send your children to die for his causes.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:13 pmAnd the Liberals get accused of being tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. This is just as ridiculous.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThe intelligence community was undermined by the Bush admin running up to the Iraq war.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:15 pmthey truly are endangering the world and need to be stopped one way or the other.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Oh, get yer popcorn ready, Rog is about to wet himself, AGAIN.
Exactly HOW are they endagering the world? It’s a much bigger place than in your tiny mind.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:16 pm10 people still support the Dem controlled congress? Don’t those 10 people read?
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 4, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Those are the same 10 that still support the Republicans in Congress. Too bad for you guys that the support for the Democrats in Congress is so much higher…
December 4th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAfter reading about LEO STRAUSS I found out about how little the TRUTH means to these degenerate NEOCONS , that it’s an obstacle to their agenda and he actually said people need to be mislead to accomplish their goals .
I heard a chilling comment a while back made by one of these Vampires , ” we make our own reality “ and they have been getting away with it for a long time , WHY ? One reason the so called news industry has been a total disaster and complicit avoiding , covering up the neocon agenda , hyping the FRICKEN WEATHER all day , instead of challenging these people . Instead of Scott Ritter, Ray McGovern being on for a change we get this constant drum beat from NEOCONS , Generals and the CFR .
December 4th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAND MORE MODELS OF FREEDOM GOES TO POD :)
December 4th, 2007 at 3:17 pmJEEEEEZ, WHAT A BUNCH OF FIENDS IN HUMAN FORM
#39 Are you one of the 10 people that still support the Dem controlled congress?
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 4, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Those 10 people are republicans, or hadn’t you noticed? Since the polling for Republicans in Congress is so much higher, and the approval for Congress seems to correlate to the approval of Republicans in Congress (such as it is), then logic dictates that the 10 people are those that favor the Republican Obstructionism…
December 4th, 2007 at 3:18 pmAND MORE MEDALS OF FREEDOM GOES TO POD :)
December 4th, 2007 at 3:18 pmJEEEEEZ, WHAT A BUNCH OF FIENDS IN HUMAN FORM
Jebus. Someone ought to shoot that crazy bastard Podhoretz.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#32 Oh,
So Iran is still actively building its nuclear capabilities. So this report means nothing and nothing has changed. I still hope for a diplomatic outcome but if they haven’t stopped yet, they truly are endangering the world and need to be stopped one way or the other.
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 4, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Actually this reports says they aren’t, so what means nothing is your lies and rhetoric, zionist boy.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:19 pmSo here we are back to Repuke logic: “You can’t prove a negative, how do you know something isn’t there just because you didn’t find it. It could still be there and you just didn’t find it yet”
Like teenagers, the Repukes just love to be scared. Why don’t you guys just watch scary movies, like teenagers do.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:19 pmpodhoretz is just another zionist that’s pissed that Israel didn’t get any of the oil in the middle east. Kinda throws a kink in the whole ‘chosen-people’ thing when everyone BUT YOU is swimming in oil, doesn’t it?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:20 pm2003 October-November - Tehran agrees to suspend its uranium enrichment programme and allow tougher UN inspections of its nuclear facilities. An IAEA report says Iran has admitted producing plutonium but adds there is no evidence that it was trying to build an atomic bomb. However, US dismisses the report as “impossible to believe”. The IAEA votes to censure Iran but stops short of imposing sanctions.
2003 December - US sends humanitarian aid to Iran after earthquake kills up to 50,000 people in city of Bam. US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and Iran’s permanent envoy to UN, Mohammad Javad Zarif, hold telephone talks in a rare direct contact.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:20 pm“#39 Are you one of the 10 people that still support the Dem controlled congress?”
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 4, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Count me in. I may despise their cowardly ways, but I infinitely prefer them to the last Congress.
Spineless is better than evil. Vote Democratic in ‘08.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI would like to see some polls asking questions relating to why people are unhappy with Congress. My money is on their lack of doing what they were elected to do. End the war, put some checks and balances back in DC.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:24 pmRoger_Roger = Moron_Moron.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:24 pmI certainly hope it’s sabotage. Anything to undermine these Nazi pigs.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:29 pm63: ForTruth:
Partly it’s the obstructionism of the Republicans. The Democrats did it too when they were in the minority, but naturally the Republicans have raised it to an art form.
Kyl Leiberman. Can’t *believe* that passed.
The Moveon.org Resolution. Just how stupid are the Senate Dems anyway? Why fall into that Republican trap?
Mukasey. Making him AG without *any* stipulations?
Impeachment off the table.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:30 pmOne thing will always outweigh the Neo Con agenda. Money. If it’s no longer profitable to push their agenda, then the NeoCon agenda will not be pushed. This NIE was announced to restore consumer confidence in the shopping season. Gas was getting too high, and people were holding back on their spending.
This was way too conspicuous of an announcement with perfect timing. It would have been too easy for the MSM just to have ignored this latest NIE, instead of making it a headline. Keeping Americans shopping, working, and spending money is more important than any other perceived international threat. This is why Bush would not dare attempt to stay in office after his term is up.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:31 pmKeeping Americans shopping, working, and spending money is more important than any other perceived international threat. This is why Bush would not dare attempt to stay in office after his term is up.
Comment by ForTruth — December 4, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Very astute. I think you’re absolutely right.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThanks Frosty,
Look for a change in message after the shopping season ends. Most businesses make 1/3rd of their revenue for the entire year during the holidays. Things got off a bit sluggish after Thanksgiving, with the Iran threats pushing up the price of gas. So we have a little reprieve. Sometimes scaring people will backfire. Not all of Bush’s “friends” make money solely on war. Some make money selling products to regular Americans.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:40 pmGood to see that at elast Michael Rubin got ina shot at Clinton. My god that never gets old does it?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI would love to see a reporter ask Podhoretz how it is that he knows that Iran is close to having a nuclear bomb? What are his sources?
Personally I’ll believe the NIE over Podhoretz and his ilk any day. Bush tried desperately to suppress the NIE and since he couldn’t get away with that, he and his minions are in serious spin mode.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:43 pmYeah, Pukehortz - it’s a conspiracy called “Uncovering The Truth”, that’s what kind of conspiracy it is. As for Podhoretz’ demented ramblings of a senile brain, I’d suggest ginko biloba for starters and then some heavy psychotropic drug therapy. Looks like the neocon lies are catching up with them this time. Their house of cards is tumbling down, one card at a time. Soon, the emperor will be standing before us buck naked.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:47 pmBilbo: I suspect it’s the machinations of a senile brain from which Podhoretz’s flights of fancy and fiction derive.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:48 pmForTruth: We all know that the “crash” is coming in January.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:48 pmSo Iran is still actively building its nuclear capabilities. So this report means nothing and nothing has changed. I still hope for a diplomatic outcome but if they haven’t stopped yet, they truly are endangering the world and need to be stopped one way or the other.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Normally I don’t respond to you because you are one of the dumber trolls on this site. But, I couldn’t help myself. Do you really NOT understand the difference between nuclear power and a nuclear bomb? Are you really that stupid? They are working on nuclear power not a nuclear bomb. Do you get it now?
Back to ignoring the ignorant troll r2.
And, the one who is truly endangering the world is George W. Bush and his minions. The most terrifying thing in the world to me is the fact that Bush has control of the bomb. I really wouldn’t put it past him to push the button just to see what it does.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:51 pm10 people still support the Dem controlled congress? Don’t those 10 people read?
Comment by cold_hard_left
Do you know how to read? Have you bothered to look at any of the polls on Congress. It is true that this congress is polling low, but when you look at whether the person polled thinks the Republiscums are doing a good job, I believe the last time it was something like 20% or the Democrats doing a good job, this one was in the 30’s. Overall no one is happy with Congress. Most people are unhappy that the Republiscums are obstructing everything (you do remember the Rebpubliscums screaming about an “up or down vote”, don’t you) and they are mad at the Democrats for allowing the Republiscums to get away with the obstruction. Then there are the 24%ers who are mad just because the Democrats are in control.
I really would like to see an in depth poll of people’s opinions about Congress not just “do you think they are doing a good job”. My bet is on, if the Democrats stopped letting the Republiscums get away with obstructing everything, that Congress and the Democrats in Congress polling numbers would soar.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:00 pmthis post needs some kookie trolls to round things out. i nominate darladoon, billy hill and exley.
they’re funny guys.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:03 pmSo Iran is still actively building its nuclear capabilities. So this report means nothing and nothing has changed. I still hope for a diplomatic outcome but if they haven’t stopped yet, they truly are endangering the world and need to be stopped one way or the other.
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 4, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Big difference between developing nuclear power for energy needs and developing nuclear weapons. Iran has been doing the former (and that’s never been a secret), and according to the non-nuclear proliferation treaty, they may do so.
Now how are they “endangering the world”? I suppose that if they have a Chernobyl, that would possibly cause problems with a neighboring country if they build a power plant close to their border. But if having nuclear power plants is endangering the world, then we need to go to a new level of concern, because many countries have them.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:03 pmUmm #18 RR I don’t think the current president of Iran shut down the weapons program, check out when he was elected… Also by reading your other posts, it is painfully obvious that you have no clue as to the difference between nuke energy used for power production and nuke energy used for power projection, or rather utility grade uranium and weapons grade uranium. Here’s a hint…weapons grade uranium is much much harder to produce.
Again RR #46 are you totally unaware of why congress has low approval ratings? It is mainly due to Republican obstructionism. Read up on this, people still support the democrats agenda, they disapprove of the way republicans are filibustering nearly everything at a record pace, and what they don’t filibuster Bush Vetoes. Here is a cute little story for you.
I was recently in Washington for Tax seminar. One of the speakers was a lobbyist. He talked about this bill or that bill for a while and mentioned how one party (no names) wanted to keep congress tied up and unproductive for the rest of the session in order to help his party’s chances in the 2008 elections. Later he talked about a particular revenue-neutral bill that would solve an issue positively for both the democrats and the republicans, a rare win-win situation. His group presented it to the minority leadership who rejected it outright on the grounds that they can not allow any positive bills to pass through congress. Nice. Way to go obstructionists, way to thwart the will of the people.
#66 how did the democrats obstruct congress when they were the minority? Please give some examples. Right now that is all the republicans do. If the dems used the same tactics a lot of the bills bush signed never would have existed. Perhaps you missed the news about how the republicans would hold committee meetings and completely shut out democrat input. I believe the chorus was we won the election, we get to decide what occurs. and from the gallery it was shut up and be ruled, we won let us have our way. Sorry, but you are dead wrong on your assertion.
Also anyone wonder who wrote this opinion and why it differs so wildly from the 2005 NIE? Who the heck wrote that one? My guess is the 2005 one was written by the same guys who gave the intelligence prior to invading Iraq.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:06 pmNorman Pudhurtz has all the credibility of a used car salesman with a gold-tooth grin and slicked back greasy hair ……………..
December 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pmGood! Sabotage away, intelligence community! Do whatever is necessary to hamstring this incompetent fool!
December 4th, 2007 at 4:32 pm“leaking material calculated to undermine George W. Bush:â€
Like the truth?
December 4th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThis is what we get when we allow the lunatics to run the asylum.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:40 pmIt can get tiring that Dems are willing to play fair more often than Repukes. Not once has Harry Reid mentioned a “nuclear option” to the Repuke minority.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pmThe Commander-in-Chief should fire the senior management at all 16 of these insurgent intelligence agencies and try them for treason–or we should impeach the lying bastards in the White House.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:59 pmHey Podi:
Put a yamulka in it. Your horse s&^t ideology is dead; and so are your dreams of a Zionist Empire in the Middle East.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:05 pmWayne the A-THEIST mocked the idea of God as the “invisible man in the skyâ€.
RHF the A-THEIST mocked their beliefs as FAIRY TALES.
PETE the A-THEIST openly just admitted he “rejects THEISMâ€.
:|
But the inbred, lamebrain, who’s been arguing for 6 days now that I am wrong, claims they do not do or say these things.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 4, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Says the ‘tard that calls atheism fanaticism, because he doesn’t know the GREEK origins of the word… You are wrong, you’re stupid, you’re fanatical, you’re hypocritical, and your only defense is quoting obscure dictionaries, omitting the etymology of words, and the SANTA CLAUS DEFENSE!!!
Wow, bart, you’re persistently ‘tarded, you really should be on the WMD in Iraq committee!!!
December 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmLol, sorry guys, wrong thread.
:D
Carry on.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 4, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Like this is the ONLY TIME you’re wrong?
Poor ‘tard, can’t stand being wrong, so your only defense is to spend 6 days posting the same tired lame sh!t to try to have the last word! Wow, you’re one sad, pathetic little nerd!
December 4th, 2007 at 6:20 pm“Podhoretz’s ‘Dark Suspicion’: Intel Community Trying To Sabotage Bush With NIE”
Wouldn’t doubt it. There has to be lots of pros in the community pissed at what he’s done to the country … and to them.
Cheers,
December 4th, 2007 at 6:30 pmPodhoretz.
Can everyone spell “psychopath”?
December 4th, 2007 at 7:14 pmThe # of comments = Podhoretz’s age. Keep em’ comin’.
December 4th, 2007 at 7:50 pmAnn Romney is scary too. She’s on NBC newz.
December 4th, 2007 at 7:52 pmWow, I haven’t seen this before… a feeble, liver-spotted old codger, (probably) with a prostate the size of a coconut, more gums than teeth, doing his best to set the world on fire as he stumbles into his grave. The worms won’t get you too soon, Norm.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:01 pm