O’Reilly and Beck get chummy over Islamofascism.
O’Reilly and Beck get chummy over Islamofascism.
Yesterday evening, right-wing talk show hosts Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly teamed up on the O’Reilly Factor. Beck criticized the University of Florida for admonishing the campus College Republicans for airing the film Obsession, which students promoted with posters stating, “Radical Islam Wants You Dead.” O’Reilly and Beck agreed, “They missed 9/11 in Gainesville”:
BECK: And in the — when they played it, they put out a flier all around the campus that said militant Islam wants you dead. Well, the university came out with a statement and said how dare you say that? That’s hate speech. That’s completely inaccurate. I mean, Bill, would you agree…
O’REILLY: Well, they missed it. They missed 9/11 in Gainesville. You know they missed it. That was the only city in the country that didn’t get the broadcast around the world.
BECK: Right.
O’REILLY: I don’t know why, but they are looking into the technical problem.
Watch it:
At one point, O’Reilly said, “But you’ve got to understand something, Mr. Beck. You and I are put into that extreme category by many people.”
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December 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmare they trying to cross-pollinnate the crazy?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmscum and scummier?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:27 pmWe need to put up posters of O’Reilly and Beck and Coulter and Malkin and Savage with the tag line “Radical Neoconservatism Wants You To Shit Yourself.”
December 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pmBillO: “But you’ve got to understand something, Mr. Beck. You and I are put into that extreme category by many people.†he went on to say, “…including ourselves.” Then his big fat head imploded.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“You and I are put into that extreme category by many people”, yeah, Bill 0(IQ), the extreme bigoted fascist pigs category.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pm“You and I are put into that extreme category by many people”
People with brains.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOh boy more Glenn Beck–and this time with Bill O as a chaser. Thats some hot ape-on-dog action you have going on there.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmGawd… good thing I haven’t eaten in several hours.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pmHere are the salient points from the NIE:
1/ We judge with high confidence that the halt (in trying to develop nuclear weapons, not producing them) has lasted at least several years. (Four to be exact, a lifetime in war and politics).
We continue to assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Iran does not currently have a nuclear weapon. (Or has ever had one).
We judge with high confidence that Iran will not be capable of producing and reprocessing enough plutonium for a weapon before about 2015. (Which Bush – and for that matter Gates – flatly lied about this morning implying that the NIE said they could re-up anytime).
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29126
December 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pmTwidledee and Twidledumb…
Memo to Olbermann: Give both Beck and O’Reilly the gold this week.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmCaption:
BillO: “suck”
December 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pmBeck: “swallow”
Southern Man–”fascination” is kind of the opposite of “ignoring”. So which is it? Are we fascinated by radical Islam–or are we denying it?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pm10 – WHO IN THE HELL EVER SAID ISLAMIC RADICALS SHOULD BE IGNORED???
answer : F’ING NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A GODDAMNED CLUE, RUBE
December 5th, 2007 at 2:41 pm9/11 was carried out in the name of fanatical Islam.
Comment by Southern Man
Supposedly. But let’s say yes for the touchy about the subject. That was a criminal act. It should be dealt by criminal experts and offices, not by lying people into wars as we have seen.
You should talk with Bush about OBL, the supposed master mind behind the 9/11 (not according to the FBI), he doesn’t think about him anymore, and I remember he said in Ground Zero: “the people who did this are gonna here from us soon” Well, it’s been 4 years.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI hear srceaming…and troll-whips cracking.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pmJebus.
Morons on Parade.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pmand I still can’t type.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pmAnd I include Billo and Beck in that, too.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pmIt’s a wonder either can talk with subzero IQs.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pmHey, Bill, get Coulter’s wang out of your mouth!
Still doesn’t = one whole brain
December 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pmDixie Boy – answer my question @15
December 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmA question to all you southern men who want to mix viagra with your neocon kool-aid: what is your fascination with mixing viagra with neocon kool-aid? Many people have died drinking kool-aid. “You can leave in a taxi. If you can’t get a taxi, you can leave in a huff. If that’s too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff.” – Groucho Marx
December 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmWho are the real murderers
You say they didn’t lie because they didn’t have the current NIE? Bullshit. They said they knew that Iran had nuclear weapons, that Iran was about to start World War III. At the barest minimum they knew that was a lie. At the barest minimum they had no evidence to back that up – just as they had no evidence to back up their assertion that Saddam had nukes – yet they said that they did. They said they knew. ,b>That’s called lying. And they were willing to murder on a monumental scale – again – based on those lies.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmSouthern Man,
You said – “What is your facination with denying and ignoring radical Islam?”
Who’s ignoring it? I would submit to you that one of the problems you have is that you seem more bent on the Islamic version of fundamentalism. And that is a problem for sure. But the real problem is religious fundamentalism in any form.
While we all felt very victimized by the events of 9-11, and the fundamentalism that fueled it, did you not also feel the same way about the Oklahoma City bombing?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmcnn and fox’s leading personalities. weep, america.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:48 pmYou say they didn’t lie because they didn’t have the current NIE? Bullshit. They said they knew that Iran had nuclear weapons, that Iran was about to start World War III. At the barest minimum they knew that was a lie. At the barest minimum they had no evidence to back that up – just as they had no evidence to back up their assertion that Saddam had nukes – yet they said that they did. They said they knew. That’s called lying. And they were willing to murder on a monumental scale – again – based on those lies.
If you won’t impeach now Ms Pelosi, you’re on your way to being as guilty as they. Those who enable high crimes and misdemeanors – including never let us forget, treason – become as culpable as the perpetrators. If you don’t impeach now, you will be an accomplice as will be all the others who stand with you – those who voted to declare the nuclear-free armed forces of a sovereign nation ‘terrorists’ for example, or one of your leading candidates for President who refused to take ‘off the table’ the ‘option’ of nuking innocent people who posed no threat to us, just so that she could look as tough as war-criminals.
Enough. This is the moment of enough. This is the moment where we lose or win back what was once and still can be again a great nation. Use the Constitution or lose the Constitution.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:49 pmSouthern Man are you blogging from work? (We have a bet in the office today) If so do you own the company or are you stealing from the company by blogging on their time and their computer, which would then make you a thief. Then, unless you are in Nevada or on an Indian Reservation are you not breaking the law by gambling?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:51 pmWhy doesn’t someone ask:
Even if I totally ignore that the NIE has ever existed, the IAEA folks have flatly stated on taped interviews about the status of their investigations of the so-called Irani nuclear industry.
Of course, the IAEA investigators were right about Iraq also. So that instantly makes them unreliable.
And when is Shrub going to admit that the Russian and European diplomatic solutions, and/or the failure of Iran’s missle tests, may have had something to do with the lack of Irani nuclear arms ?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI think the correct quote is “Know They Enemy”
Not, “Call them names, mislead the public about them, go after the wrong ones so that we piss off potential allies who could have helped us get to the one’s who actually did things to us, and totally subvert the Constitution in the vein attempt to catch ‘them’ which actually meets one of the fundamental goals that they were after in the first place”
I know, its easy to mix them up.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pmYeah, they are in that extremist category. That is because, just like al Qaeda, they are extremists whose views aren’t shared by the majority of the people in this country.
It isn’t sufficient to say that “radical Islam wants you dead” without defining what “radical Islam” is. Does the average Muslim want us dead? No, they don’t. Does al Qaeda want us dead? You betcha, because they want to rule the world under their own system.
What drives me totally insane is that the policies and actions that folks like O’Reilly and Beck promote does EXACTLY what al Qaeda wants. By going after bin Laden with conventional military forces we have elevated him to the status of “Enemy #1″. We have inflated his importance and his influence in the world. We have given him and other Islamist propagandists exactly what they need in order to turn the hearts and minds of Muslims against us.
Had we followed the “Clinton Doctrine” on terrorism – i.e., using police and special forces instead of regular soldiers to bring them to justice – there is a good chance that we’d already have bin Laden in custody and that al Qaeda would be in chaos. Maybe our next president will be smart enough to do what works, as the British and Spanish have shown us in the aftermath of the respective attacks in their countries.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pmIf you really want to have a good time being fascinated with the illogical posts of the trolls who don’t really want to debate, give an intentionally non-intellectual rejoinder that includes “suck and swallow”.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pm#1 Juan C,
I agree with you 100%, they are Dumb and Dumber, but somehow our society is rewarding them.
They are making millions with no talent whatsoever other than having bad mouths,they write books and make speeches. They are even invited to the White House.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmSo, who are the dumbers?
#31…if we have a “fascination” it is with the absurd right-wing notion that hordes of rabid jihadis are poised at our borders ready to behead our women and make our men wear burqas. You guys act so tough–I would have thought that you would relish the chance to open up some whoop-ass on these invading armies. That’s what the second amendment is all about.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmSouthern Man,
You said – “You never debate the posistion they have.”
What is their position? They are not arguing a point here. They are blasting The University of Florida, insinuating that they didn’t see 9-11 and were not affected by it. Beck and O’Reilly are essentially saying that bashing Islam is ok because of what happened on 9-11 and no school should get in the way of such bashing lest they feel the wrath of right wing news machine.
If that is their position I’ll happily debate that.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmIt was a play on words.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
You shouldn’t play with things you don’t understand. You could get hurt.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmRadical Islam wants us to stop invading their countries, stealing their oil, supporting despotic dictatorships and not propping up Israel.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pmThey don’t want us dead.
What is your facination with denying and ignoring radical Islam? 9/11 was carried out in the name of fanatical Islam. “Only fools ignore the obvious dangers that put others at risk.†Marx
Comment by Southern Man
I’ll tell you what S & M. Please explain to us what “radical Islam” is. Are you aware that Islam is a religion, aren’t you?
Would radical Islam be anything like radical Christianity? That’s pretty much what you neoCONs are, radical Christians. I like that. I think that’s what we should start calling you and your ilk.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:01 pm“instead of debate about what they say. You never debate the posistion they have.”
It’s partly true. We don’t consider their garbage and opinions worth the time to “debate,” as you so loosely use the word.
So, you know, one does what one feels is worth the time. E.g. not spending a whole lot of time responding to you. Bye.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:01 pmBTW, Southern Man, I was referring to BillO “sucking up to Bush” and Beck “swallowing all of Bush’s lies”. What were YOU thinking?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pmA question to all of you who want to ignore radical Islam: What is your facination with denying and ignoring radical Islam? 9/11 was carried out in the name of fanatical Islam. “Only fools ignore the obvious dangers that put others at risk.†Marx
Comment by Southern Man (by Neil Young) — December 5, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
A question to all of you who want to ignore radical Christians: What is your fascination with denying and ignoring radical Christians? Post 9/11 attacks (i.e. Iraq) were carried out in the name of fanatical Christians.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pmAnd don’t even get me started on that radical Christian ho, Ann Coulter!!!
“I’d dance with you until the cows come home. Actually, I’d rather dance with the cows until you came home.” Grouch Marx-Duck Soup (I think)
I was just as pissed off at Mc Veigh as I was the hijackers. One killed for the love of a religon and the other for the hate of it’s leaders. I’m glad their all dead.
Comment by Southern Man
So you only regret American deaths.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pmFortunately this couple can’t reproduce.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pmFred Phelps and radical Christianity wants American soldiers dead. Where’s your roundtable on that Loofah Boy?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pmSouthern Man,
You said – “I was just as pissed off at Mc Veigh as I was the hijackers. One killed for the love of a religon and the other for the hate of it’s leaders. I’m glad their all dead.”
So then we can agree that radical ‘Islam’ isn’t the problem, nor is radical ‘Christianity’. It’s radical theistic religion that is the problem. (I purposely said theistic religion because the more radical a buddhist gets, the more peaceful he/she becomes.)
December 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pmFortunately this couple can’t reproduce.
Comment by Shayne
That’s what they said in Jurassic Park and look…
December 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pmI’m thinking that in the Middle East you’ll have no trouble finding people willing to hold signs that say “Radical Christianity Wants You Dead”
December 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pmIt’s a wonder either can talk with subzero IQs.
Hey, Bill, get Coulter’s wang out of your mouth!
Comment by RUCerious — December 5, 2007 @ 2:4
That’s his/her adam’s apple. Coulter’s wang isn’t that big which is why he pretends to be a she and is so damn ornery.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pmThey’re gay together.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:09 pmGroucho Marx, “Horse Feathers”
December 5th, 2007 at 3:11 pmI think you’ve got something there, but I’ll wait outside until you clean it up.
America needs to get Hate propaganda off the television ASAP , Considering Bush was about to murder on a monumental scale – again – based on more lies
December 5th, 2007 at 3:11 pmDr. matt…I’m not sure that I’d be willing to say that Iran doesn’t have WMDs of any sort. Nukes, sure, but most major countries that haven’t been disarmed by force have some gas or weaponized anthrax in reserve. That includes the US.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:12 pmDid S & M take a hike? I was looking forward to his definition of “radical Islam”. Darn.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pmSo you only regret American deaths.
Comment by Juan C. — December 5, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
I think it’s more likely to be WHITE AMERICAN deaths…
Comment by republicans hate facts — December 5, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
Correction: White American Fundamentalist Christian Male deaths…
December 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pmYou never debate the posistion they have. It’s just a gathering place to hate the right. If you really want to be taken seriously, give an intellectual point of view that does’nt include “suck and swallowâ€.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
But then you’d never read it.
there is no position to discuss with Beck and O’Reilly. ignorant racism is not a discussable position. Your fear may be, but you refuse to discuss it.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:15 pmThat’s what they said in Jurassic Park and look…
Comment by Juan C. — December 5, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Well they are a couple of dinosaurs so maybe we should worry.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:16 pmA question to all of you who want to ignore radical Islam: What is your facination with denying and ignoring radical Islam? 9/11 was carried out in the name of fanatical Islam. “Only fools ignore the obvious dangers that put others at risk.†Marx
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
We recognize that radical Islam was one of the contributing factors behind the tragedy of 9/11, just as we recognize that radical Christianity was one of the contributing factors behind the tragedy of 3/20.
Radical religion is a problem. We see no difference between the danger posed by Osama bin Laden and Pat Robertson. We would like to see rationality and reason replace blind religious obedience in all faiths.
Terrorism is also a problem. We are concerned about the threat of crime, whether committed for financial, political, or religious reasons. Terrorism is a crime, not an ideology. It should be investigated as such.
We draw the line when rational concern becomes fearmongering, which is exactly what Beck and O’Reilly and Coulter and Malkin do.
We are sick of “radical Islam” being used to stereotype and discriminate against people.
We are sick of “radical Islam” being used to justify gross violations of civil rights and the Constitution.
We are sick of the blanket term “radical Islam” being used to gloss over the complexities of politics and conflict in the greater Middle East and formulate a boneheaded foreign policy.
We are sick of bigots like Beck and O’Reilly and Coulter slandering a religion of 1.3 billion people for the actions of a fringe minority, just as you are no doubt sick of Christians being slandered for the actions of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
Americans need to be empowered with information, not subdued with fear.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
December 5th, 2007 at 3:16 pmMarx
“Rightwing Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.â€
Marx
Comment by toasterhead — December 5, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
fixed.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:19 pmI am the Vice President. I am the MAN!!! As far as gambling, we made a bet about rhf that does not have money exchanging hands. If I lose, I have to put a Hillary for prez bumper sticker on my car. If I win, I get the good seat for the Sugar Bowl. And I’m not worried about losing. RHF is as predictable as they come, and he’s not worth a penny to bet on.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Are you really so stupid that you think the VP is the man? You are sitting in your mother’s basement promising to do the laundry for her before she gets home from work. President, Treasurers, CEOs and COOs are the man not VPs. And if you’d ever worked in an actual corporation you would know that.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pmChristoFascists are just unperfected atheists.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pmDid S & M take a hike? I was looking forward to his definition of “radical Islamâ€. Darn.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 5, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
He can’t take a hike, he can’t even leave the basement until he finishes his mother’s laundry.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pmis•lam•o•fas·cism  [is-lahm-oh-fash-iz-uhm] –noun
1. A giant crock of sh!t invented by rightwing fascists to frame the Islamic extremists as being fascist. In the bipolar world of rightwing propaganda, there is but good and evil, therefore the inference is that since the Islamists are fascist, then they themselves cannot be the fascists.
[Origin: 2006]
December 5th, 2007 at 3:21 pm#68 – Well said!
December 5th, 2007 at 3:23 pmThe only remotely interesting thing about Beck and O’Reilly and those like them is why anyone swallows their particular line of loudmouth, generalizing b.s. rather than seek out thoughtful discussion/discourse.
My only thoughts on that are 1) it is easier to be spoonfed and told what to think 2) the whole “feisty loudmouth” thing gets some people off by proxy (they’re po’d about something and it feels good to listen to someone yell) 3) people want and need someone to hate, an enemy, an Other. This is one reason people get all misty about the grey 50s: we had a big bad Communist Other to fear and hate. They’re not allowed to be as openly fearful and hating about the increasing numbers of brown people moving in around them, any more, so this “radical Islam” thing is really quite convenient.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSouthern Man, why is Osama Bin Laden still at large?
Radical Islam didn’t perpetrate 9/11. Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda did. And you guys moan that we have to oppose this and support that, we have to declare war on a religion,support an occupation, relinquish our civil rights and shut up and sit in the corner–when the Bush Administration, given all the resources he could ask for and the encouragement of a nation hungry for justice, has let this colossal criminal get away with it?
We’re in a desperate fight against a deadly menace–but no draft, no war taxes. We cannot allow weapons of mass destruction to proliferate–but no response when the Pakistanis are found to be peddling nuclear secrets, and North Korea is dealt with by negotiation and offers of aid.
We are in deadly danger–but our container shipping remains uninspected, our nuclear power facilities and factories manufacturing lethal chemicals are left to the cost-conscious companies themselves to secure. And Katrina showed the terrorists just how much ofa joke our ‘first-responder network’ is.
And let’s not even talk about global cooperation in the fight against terror.
Radical Islam? It’s a real threat. But you know what would have worked against Radical Islam? Capturing Osama Bin Laden dead or alive and rolling up Al-Qaeda, that’s what. Why wasn’t this done?
The vast majority of the people of the United States don’t love the terrorist, or lack the gumption to face the challenge. The vast majority think that George W. Bush is a liar who never meant to deal with the problem honestly, who led a war-profiteering plunder of the American Treasury, and was too blitheringly incompetent to even pull off a deception.
Show us anything but miserable failure, lies and grotesque rhetoric, and colossal corruption, southern man, and we can talk about what needs to be done about the War on Terrorists. But until then, shut the hell up.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThis country is not being destroyed by Islamic extremists it’s being destroyed by fundamentalist Christians who don’t have a clue about anything. They don’t believe in global warming, or evolution and they are all so rapture ready that they wanted us to believe Iran had nuclear weapons so we could attack them and end up in a war against Russia and China because the world is tired of our unwarranted aggression.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:28 pmAdmit it, “Southern Man,” Muslims are your new “nigra.” All prepackaged by the media for you and ready to hate.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI’d like to know why rightwing cowards who are petrified of terrorists think that they have the right to demand that the rest of us give up our civil rights so that they can feel safe.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:31 pmSouthern Man,
You said – “So no, I don’t believe the radicals are not the problem.”
What?
So you do believe that radicals are the problem? Isn’t that what I said? I thought I made the point that this wasn’t a problem inherent to Islam. While I would agree that currently radicalism rears its ugly head in very destructive ways in regards to Islam, it is in no way exclusive to that religious edict. The goal should be to rid ourselves of the radical element of all violent philosophies whether they be Islam, Judaism, or Christianity.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:32 pmI’m not taking sides on the politics, but it all depends on how the company is structured as to how much of a ‘big man’ the VP is. At my corp. VP is a fairly big deal. Of course the Prez/CEO is the man overall, and there are COO’s etc. but VP is nobody to sneeze at.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:33 pmSouthern Man works for his daddy. Not really a surprise. And that’s about as much of your bullshit story that I’m going to believe. Your the mouth spouting off about TRoS being here. TRoS is totally entertaining and knows what he’s talking about. You on the other hand are a whining little brat without a clue. No wonder you relate to well to the president.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI’m not taking sides on the politics, but it all depends on how the company is structured as to how much of a ‘big man’ the VP is. At my corp. VP is a fairly big deal. Of course the Prez/CEO is the man overall, and there are COO’s etc. but VP is nobody to sneeze at.
Comment by Poop on Republicans — December 5, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
No but a VP is rarely “The Man” as SM stated. Of course I personally believe very little of what SM says so I am extremely biased. I learned how to be that way from reading so much neocon spew.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:36 pmYoung men are being brain washed under the guise of Islam, and carrying out the acts in the name of Islam. They want things to be like they were five hundred years ago. So no, I don’t believe the radicals are not the problem.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
And where, oh where, did these brainwashed men come from?
You see, back in the 1970s we got ourselves involved with a small upstart kingdom named Saudi Arabia, penning an oil-for-security deal that would make a lot of money for a handful of people in Texas and Riyadh. When our previous oil BFF got overthrown by a group of fundamentalist Shi’ites in 1979, our new BFF Saudi Arabia began pumping money into its Wahhabist Sunni fringe to counter the new Shia power in the region. We didn’t mind this- in fact we supported it – cause these radical Sunnis became extremely helpful in expelling the Soviets from Afghanistan, at the same time bankrupting the USSR and contributing to the downfall of communism. Yay! Victory for America!
And then we let this monster we’d helped to create grow and prosper and multiply. And it came back eventually to bite us in the ass. Quite a number of times throughout the 1990s and finally in 2001.
So is radical Islam the root cause, or just a byproduct of a global game of Risk we and other countries have been playing for decades?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThis a war. Not because the media tells me it is. It is because the fanatical Islamist have called for Jihad against our country. I hear them loud and clear Bernard.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
You ignorant shit, this is not a war, it is an illegal invasion and occupation that had notbning to do with radical islamists. You’ve just proven for once and for all, that you’re a puke coward with no understanding of American law or history. Go f((k yourself, you POS.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:48 pmS&M sound a little like Mittens, whose Daddy ran American Motors Corporation.
BFD.
When you have worked your ass off to pay bills, feed sick children, worked 2 jobs and still don’t make ends meet, you’re a man.
Luck sperm club & silver spooners don’t have a clue of what makes a man.
S&M, real men help people. Neoturds kill people.
Any questions?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWhy won’t they show the beheadings or the images of people jumping to their deaths on 9/11 bernard? Because maybe the American public would finally see what the fanatical side of Islam is.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
For that matter, why won’t they show the flag-draped coffins returning from Iraq, or the mangled bodies of Iraqi “collateral damage?” Because maybe the American public would finally see what the fanatical side of neoconservatism is.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:51 pmSouthern Man,
A question. Do you think the President should come out and strongly condemn Saudi Arabia for sentencing a 12 year old girl that was the victim of a gang rape to 200 lashes for being a victim of that rape? I find that to be a very radical position that the Saudi’s have taken, but our President doesn’t seem inclined to speak out against that. At least not in the way that you speak out against Radical Islam.
And if you think he should (which I hope is your position) why do you think he doesn’t?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:51 pmAre they listening to your telephone conversations and illegaly searching your home? There not lefty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just name one civil liberty that one of your friends have been denied Lefty? You can’t.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
The Nazis found that they could suppress dissent by only investigating a small fraction of the population, maybe 5%. That was enough to instill fear in the other 95%.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:55 pmSM – not only stupid, but naive.
Haven’t you been listening? The Bushies HAVE ADMITTED they they have illegally wiretapped AMERICAN CITIZENS. The FBI has “sneak and peek” now – WITHOUT A WARRANT. Several American citizens have been imprisoned without charges – that’s habeas corpus.
You need to pay attention, you moron.
WTF is wrong with you??
December 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pmFirst of all, if you think that they are not spying on liberals, especially liberal blogs then you are a moron. And as far as what has been taken away, how about Habeus Corpus? Do you even know what that is? And don’t give me some propaganda about it only applying to terrorists. There are more than enough right wing fascists putting liberals and terrorists in cahoots with one another to easily start applying the same crap to us.
And if you’re somehow upset that I consider you a coward let me explain something to you. I don’t know where you live but I live and work in NY City. I was UNDER the building in the subway when the 2nd attack occurred. I saw the towers fall WITH MY OWN TWO EYES. So don’t you dare tell me how scared I should be.
I continue to ride to work every day and I am not scared one bit. Yet you are the frightened one here, you coward.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:00 pmAt one point, O’Reilly said, “But you’ve got to understand something, Mr. Beck. You and I are put into that extreme category by many people.â€
lol, ya think?!
December 5th, 2007 at 4:03 pmThey live in the 21st century and behave as though their in the 15th.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
What??? Are they having secret trials, w/ secret witnesses, and secret evidence the defendants aren’t even allowed to see or challenge????
December 5th, 2007 at 4:06 pmOne more point here Mr. Hysterical Exclamation Point – you are supporting FASCISM. And when America finally succumbs to your Neocon authoritarian version of it, who will be the first to be locked away? The same people who ALWAYS are under totalitarian regimes, the artists, the thinkers, the intellectuals, the creatives, the dissenters and the liberals.
I would be among the first to go. So don’t you sit here and tell me that nothing would happen to us if you got your way. WE are not that stupid.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWhich is it today Mr. Bungle. One day I read in here that Bush is the reason the world hates us. “We get involved in their politics and they hate us for meddling. That’s why they hate us Southern Man.†Then it’s †Why won’t we condemn the Saudi’s for that shameful act? We don’t do enough!†Damned if you do and dmned if you don’t.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
It’s not the meddling so much as the selectivity of our meddling. That’s the real issue.
We condemn Sudan for committing atrocities against the Fur, but not Israel for committing atrocities against the Palestinians. We condemn Syria and Iran for violating human rights, but not Egypt and Saudi Arabia. We celebrate Lebanon for holding free and democratic elections, then we condemn Palestine for holding free and democratic elections. If there’s one thing people in the Arab/Persian world cannot stand, it’s a double standard. And U.S. foreign policy is full of double standards that happen to line up perfectly with our political and economic friends.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSouthern Man,
You said – “I thank the judge in Saudi should be hung, along with the rapist. Is it worth hurting what little diplomacy we have left, no.”
Well I disagree that would, at all, hurt our standing in the world by condemning these actions. Quite the opposite I’m sure. It might show that we actually have a heart.
BTW, condemning their barbaric justice system, using words, is way different then plopping permanent bases down and invading non threats pre-emptively. I hope you can see the difference.
But ultimately, if this President really believes that he is spreading democracy and justice around the world, he should vociferously denounce the Saudi’s for this. Let the Saudi’s react, then we could put the international spotlight even further on all their barbaric ways. Agreed?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:16 pmYou don’t sell a lot of ice cream from those cute little jingle trucks in the late fall season, do you VEEP?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:19 pmSouthern Man,
You said – “Have you personally been denied your civil liberties?”
The problem is that we don’t know. AND THAT IS A PROBLEM!!
Of course there was the decision out of federal court in Detroit which ordered the domestic wiretapping programming halted because it was unconstitutional. So there is a least one judge, appointed by papa Bush, who believes that our civil liberties have been violated.
You can read about that here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/18/washington/18nsa.html?_
December 5th, 2007 at 4:20 pmr=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Comment by Southern Man
I have to be personally DENIED a civil right? WTF?!?
That takes the cake for the Dumbest Rightwing Comeback Of The Day.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pmSouthern Man, why do you hate the Constitution?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:25 pmWhy do you hate the Rule of Law?
Why do you hate Checks and Balances?
Southern Man,
You said – “Oil is in the spotlight right now. And everyone want’s that oil.”
At least your honest about it.
Why wont our President say that to us.
“I would like to condemn Saudi Arabia for their obvious barbaric and unjust treatment of a rape victim, but we as Americans cannot afford the consequences of taking a stand for Freedom and Justice.”
How do you think that would go over with the American People?
Being a chicken shit over oil is no reason not to do whats right. The Founders knew they were putting their lives and families lives on the line in order to do what was right. We have all become cowards in their shadow.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:34 pmSouthern Man, why do you hate the Constitution?
Why do you hate the Rule of Law?
Why do you hate Checks and Balances?
Comment by lefty — December 5, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
His check book hasn’t balanced since 1988 due to them pesky checks that keep bouncin around.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThe second amendment for one, and I could go on and on about the others. And as far as values, you have none.
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
When have we disparaged the fact that a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:38 pmJosé Padilla (born October 18, 1970), also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir or Muhajir Abdullah, is a United States citizen convicted of aiding terrorists. Padilla was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President Bush designated him an illegal enemy combatant and transferred him to a military prison, arguing that he was thereby not entitled to trial in civilian courts.
– wikipedia
Not only are you a coward, you don’t apparently read much. But I wouldn’t expect a “Southern Man” to be all that literate.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:38 pmThere are three hundred million doccumented Americans living in this country. I have not been shown proof that one of them has been denied their civil liberties protected by the constitution. And don’t tell me they(Americans) are being hold up in secret prisons. Foreigners have been denied nothing, because they are not citizens of this country and are not afforded the same rights, under the laws of our constitution. You have to be a citizen of the US to fall under them. What don’t you understand about that?
Comment by Southern Man — December 5, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Brandon Mayfield
That’s one.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:41 pmI agree we should do something, but they hold the cards Mr. Bungle. Oil is in the spotlight right now. And everyone want’s that oil.
Comment by Southern Man
Well, we finally come to this.
What everyone wants is oil, therefore, he ally ourselves with one of the most henious human right breaker country in the world.
I would bet that if your mother was going to be lashed 80 times after being raped, you would be in the crowd saying: Hey, they hold the cards, gentlemen.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:47 pmComment by Southern Man
Dude what planet are you from?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:47 pmYou can accuse Bush of doing harm to them, but you know it’s all bullshit.
Comment by Southern Man
Yes, making habeas corpus and torture optionals, was a very bad nightmare I had. Yep.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThe entire issue of Constitutional rights hinges on what the government thinks it can do to you.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:49 pmIt doesn’t have to have happened yet.
Dude what planet are you from?
Comment by lefty
Kansas?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:49 pmPluto? or mayhaps Hisanus…
December 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pmor mayhaps Hisanus…
Comment by RUCerious
Is there life in black holes?
December 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmIt just dawned on me… Bizarro World.
I’m not going to waste my time arguing with someone who makes such ridiculous statements. Post #118 is pure fantasy. Later.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:59 pmdixieboy – you still haven’t answered me from back at 15.
not that i thought you would.
guess RHF is right.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pmSo..tell us, SouthernMan, exactly who it was who said, “The Constitution is just a god damned piece of paper”…?
December 5th, 2007 at 6:43 pmdoesn’t this administration think the constitution is “toilet paper”?!
because Bush and Co. spout the shit and it smells worse afterwards…like having William “the Refrigerator” Perry and the ‘85 Bears over and having to call the CDC to clean the toilet/bathroom after.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:59 pmGeorge W. Bush is responsible for 9/11.
No conspiracy theory necessary.
He got a Presidential Daily Briefing entitled ‘Bin Laden determined to strike inside the U.S.” He did nothing.
Remember the Millennium Bombing? You know, the one that didn’t happen because we thwarted it? When Bill Clinton and Al Gore and Richard Clarke got similar intelligent, everyone got put on alert for months. By luck–but no bigger luck than two of the 911 terrorists already under observation by the FBI–they found it out, tried them and convicted them.
If George Bush had done as little as put NORAD on alert, this wouldn’t have happened the way it did.
If NORAD had been on alert, the moment 4–count ‘em, 4–airplanes got hijacked at the same time, every plane could and would have had interceptor escort long before they reached NYC or Washington. The ABSOLUTE WORST that could have happened was one plane hitting the tower.And that might not have even brought it down.
I feel sorry for the pilots: they trained and built up their forces for 60 years, devoting themselves to protect America from air attack,and the one day they were needed–they were not on alert, not ready, weren’t there.
No mysterious explosives or secret plans. For whatever reason, George Bush, faced with a terrorist alert, did nothing. He didn’t do what Clinton and Clarke had done.
Whether it’s because he just wasn’t interested or something more sinister, his inaction definitely made the attack as bad as it was.
I bring this up because Beck and O’Reilly keep going on sbout evil Radical Islam. My pointis that Radical Islam is only a deadly danger because theBush-Cheney junta allow it to be. They let Osama Bin Laden go at Tora Bora because they needed a bogeyman. None of what they have done has reduced the terrorist threat–because it’s useful.
Radical Islam is a bogeyman the Right likes–because they know it’s not really dangerous. We say we beat the Axis and the Soviet Union without suspending the constitution and the Gene (At least Westmorelsnd actually wanted to win in Vietnam.)
Southern Man trots out beheadings, supposedly to terrify us. After the Nazis, after reading Solzhenitsyn, after watching The Killing Fields, a beheading is supposed to horrify us? The Japanse routinely beheaded prisoners of war during World War II, and they’re our highly civiulized friends who sell us Hello Kitty handbags!
Unfortunately,some of us have also seen Raiders Of The Lost Ark, which taught us something about mean Arabs with big swords.
It’s all stupid: They’re not trying to scare us with anything they’re scaredf themselves.Oooh nasty Iran might have 1 bomb in a few years! Scary! But Pakistan teetering on the edge of collapse with nuclear weapons is not scary. China with nuclear ICBMs is not scary. Russia with THOUSANDS of nuclear warheads is not scary. Kim Jong Il is not scary.
And Iraq? ‘The central front of the War On Terror’? Where else are we fighting? Where’ are the global coordinated other fronts of the War on Terror? The North Korean conference table? How many troops have we deployed against the eeeevil Hezbollah? The organization we condemned Saddam to regime change for associating with?
Most of the American public doesn’t buy this any more. Most of the rest of the world never did. And, ultimately, most of the advocates of the War of Civilizations don’t either. Look at what they do rather than what they say: If it were important to ‘win’ in Iraq, we’d have a draft and a million men therewith Rolling Thunder criss-crossing the map. If WMD’s were important the North Korean missile would have been bombed at the launch pad, and we’d have acarrier group poised of Pakistan’s shore.
Does an Administration that actually fears the Global Caliphate turn American port security over to Muslims? They do not.
The republicans just love their undangerous bogeymen.Eeevil mexicans! (If they were interested in Aztlan, wouldn’t there be some effort to start it in Mexico? Some pyramid building and drinking unsweetened chocolate? It would be infinitely easier in Mexico…) Welfare Queens! Eeeevil Hollywood Liberals! And the Great Islamic Menace, who has not added to its land area by conquest since 1683. Ooooh!
December 5th, 2007 at 9:30 pmThere’s real evidence and fact, fully documented, that the Bush regime has taken away the rights of American citizens. This is treason, Southern Pansy, and you are party to it. You claim to love the Constitution, and that claim is a proven lie. Your measure is what has ush done to me personally? the Constitution wasn’t written for me, personally, it was written for all the people in the United States, even illegals. You are weakening America, as the Good Germans weakened germany, and led to its humiliating defeat and diwnfall. This is where you are leading us, if you actually think that we are in any danger from the likes of iraq or Iran. what a sissy you are, to give up your freedoms to be protected from Iraqis. and Bush failed at that, remember 9/11? if you want to be protected, stop voting for Republicans. They suck at national security, they suck at governing. And, they suck each other.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:48 pmso…if billo has, “the no spin zone” and he’s protecting bush et al., shouldn’t the title be “i’ll spin for anyone who’ll provide me with money and any women to harass”? because we all know billo has the personality of a cadaver and the acumen of a hillbilly drunk. and i apologize if i offend any hillbilly drunks who are reading!!!
and becksie is supposed to be against bush…but now he likes him. so doesn’t that, a. make glennsie a liar and b. make him a sinner? because the guy is trying to find any way into heaven. he might even go to the pope and the old, “i put the money in the hat…you write me into heaven’s ledger”. he seems the type to like the 8-ball hummer before he comes on any of his shows. because you can’t be that pissed about illegal immigration, against known climate change, etc. and then interview billy ray cyrus, dog the bounty hunter, the “left behind” authors, etc. and have a smiling face, seem intrigued and not wonder ‘where did it all go wrong?’
December 5th, 2007 at 11:28 pm