Comments on: WSJ editor insults scientists, attacks Gore. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:36:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Bruce Gorton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179256 Bruce Gorton Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:49:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179256 Having read the trolls one is left with the following conclusions: Not all conspiracy theorists are rightwing, but all rightwingers are conspiracy theorists. I mean seriously, you have an evil cabal of mad, mad I tell you, scientists out to rule the world? Yeah, and we all saw Superman flying around the daily planet last week. Having read the trolls one is left with the following conclusions: Not all conspiracy theorists are rightwing, but all rightwingers are conspiracy theorists.

I mean seriously, you have an evil cabal of mad, mad I tell you, scientists out to rule the world?

Yeah, and we all saw Superman flying around the daily planet last week.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179165 toasterhead Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:27:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179165 In much the same way, I believe there could be a similar motivation for today’s scientist to be less than objective when finding data that is inconclusive. It would be easy for someone who believes that remedies for global warming will make the enviroment better; regardless of the reality. Especially when it is politically correct and advantageous to personal funding. And also, without considering the costs to economy and liberty. Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm Are you seriously comparing scientists today with the priests and monks of 1,000 years ago? 1,000 years ago most people were ILLITERATE. The few people who could read held the power. Now we all can read. We have the ability to read the IPCC working group reports and the studies they're based on, and evaluate for ourselves whether or not the science makes sense. It's really not that difficult once you understand the concepts. In much the same way, I believe there could be a similar motivation for today’s scientist to be less than objective when finding data that is inconclusive. It would be easy for someone who believes that remedies for global warming will make the enviroment better; regardless of the reality. Especially when it is politically correct and advantageous to personal funding. And also, without considering the costs to economy and liberty.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

Are you seriously comparing scientists today with the priests and monks of 1,000 years ago?

1,000 years ago most people were ILLITERATE. The few people who could read held the power. Now we all can read. We have the ability to read the IPCC working group reports and the studies they’re based on, and evaluate for ourselves whether or not the science makes sense. It’s really not that difficult once you understand the concepts.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179109 Lefty Patriot Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:16:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179109 Why would wingnuts criticize Al Gore for seeking market-based solutions to the problem? Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 5, 2007 @ 9:44 pm Because Al has embarrassed them and their "leadership" so badly that they would gladly sacrifice the planet to prove a point. Of course, the point they will prove is that Al was right. Why would wingnuts criticize Al Gore for seeking market-based solutions to the problem?

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 5, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

Because Al has embarrassed them and their “leadership” so badly that they would gladly sacrifice the planet to prove a point. Of course, the point they will prove is that Al was right.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179058 ralph the wonder llama Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:44:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179058 Let me get this straight -- the Right obviously doesn't believe global warming is a real threat, but if it is, they don't want government involved in taking measures necessary. The Free Market should be able to take care of things, right? Well, isn't that EXACTLY what Al Gore is doing by joining a venture capital firm to promote green opportunities? Why would wingnuts criticize Al Gore for seeking market-based solutions to the problem? Let me get this straight — the Right obviously doesn’t believe global warming is a real threat, but if it is, they don’t want government involved in taking measures necessary. The Free Market should be able to take care of things, right?

Well, isn’t that EXACTLY what Al Gore is doing by joining a venture capital firm to promote green opportunities?

Why would wingnuts criticize Al Gore for seeking market-based solutions to the problem?

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179049 Lefty Patriot Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:37:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179049 Don’t think their isn’t a downside to agreeing to global warming initiatives. Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 8:56 pm Yeah, some Republicans might live. That does suck. Al Gore will make money on saving the planet. What a drag for you mass-murdering Chimp-blowers. Don’t think their isn’t a downside to agreeing to global warming initiatives.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

Yeah, some Republicans might live. That does suck.

Al Gore will make money on saving the planet. What a drag for you mass-murdering Chimp-blowers.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179048 ralph the wonder llama Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:37:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179048 Gee, Captain, I would have thought that if Gore were seeking to fabricate a "crisis" in order to make money, he'd have gotten his financial ducks in a row -- for instance, joined a venture capital firm -- BEFORE unleashing his dastardly plan on the world. I'd also think he'd have gone a different route than the cliché "documentary-film" path to riches. It's been done to death, right? Gee, Captain, I would have thought that if Gore were seeking to fabricate a “crisis” in order to make money, he’d have gotten his financial ducks in a row — for instance, joined a venture capital firm — BEFORE unleashing his dastardly plan on the world.

I’d also think he’d have gone a different route than the cliché “documentary-film” path to riches. It’s been done to death, right?

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179033 tombaker Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:23:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179033 you're just so right captain - there's no way that developing next-generation, high-efficiency energy technologies would ever make anyone money. global warming denial and the stubborn rejectionism that accompanies it are just the saddest phenomenon i've had to witness in my time on earth. we've known the industrial lifestyle is killing the planet for 50 years or more, and still can't make a damned bit of progress to correct it because of some people's fear of losing any of their luxury and convenience, or sense of being better off than someone else. shortsighted, greedy little monkeys we are....even some of us who should know better. you’re just so right captain – there’s no way that developing next-generation, high-efficiency energy technologies would ever make anyone money.

global warming denial and the stubborn rejectionism that accompanies it are just the saddest phenomenon i’ve had to witness in my time on earth.

we’ve known the industrial lifestyle is killing the planet for 50 years or more, and still can’t make a damned bit of progress to correct it because of some people’s fear of losing any of their luxury and convenience, or sense of being better off than someone else.

shortsighted, greedy little monkeys we are….even some of us who should know better.

]]> By: muckdog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4179004 muckdog Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:38:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4179004 <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/12/05/how-gore-media-fabricated-global-warming-consensus" rel="nofollow">How Gore and Media Fabricated a Global Warming Consensus</a>. How Gore and Media Fabricated a Global Warming Consensus.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4178972 ralph the wonder llama Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:56:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178972 RHF, of course Captain Mantastic believes "there could be a similar motivation for scientists". You hit it on the head. Conservatives have no problem seeing scientists as corruptly promoting a flawed policy because they know they're capable of it. Hell, they're almost predestined for that kind of behavior. Hence they see it all around them. RHF, of course Captain Mantastic believes “there could be a similar motivation for scientists”. You hit it on the head.

Conservatives have no problem seeing scientists as corruptly promoting a flawed policy because they know they’re capable of it. Hell, they’re almost predestined for that kind of behavior.

Hence they see it all around them.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4178929 barfly Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:32:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178929 "But, I suggest they supported the ideas, because they were politically correct at the time and they also believed that an ignorant public was better served by believeing in the religious ideas, to help them live better lifes; regardless of the truth." They "supported the ideas" because it put (tithed) food on their own plate, and money in their purses. “But, I suggest they supported the ideas, because they were politically correct at the time and they also believed that an ignorant public was better served by believeing in the religious ideas, to help them live better lifes; regardless of the truth.”

They “supported the ideas” because it put (tithed) food on their own plate, and money in their purses.

]]> By: wisedup http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4178928 wisedup Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:32:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178928 If it doesn't make the stock market go up, it isn't true. WSJ. If it doesn’t make the stock market go up, it isn’t true. WSJ.

]]> By: keepinon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4178918 keepinon Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:26:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178918 2012 isn't far off (one election cycle) Too bad Al isn't running. We need someone besides a DLC type Dem. Edwards comes to mind. 2012 isn’t far off (one election cycle) Too bad Al isn’t running. We need someone besides a DLC type Dem. Edwards comes to mind.

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4178916 gummitch Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:26:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178916 <em>In much the same way, I believe there could be a similar motivation for today’s scientist to be less than objective when finding data that is inconclusive. It would be easy for someone who believes that remedies for global warming will make the enviroment better; regardless of the reality. Especially when it is politically correct and advantageous to personal funding. And also, without considering the costs to economy and liberty. Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm</em> It's a terrible and foolish analogy, because priests and monks were fettered by ideology and science is entirely the opposite. If you want to point fingers at scientists who are "less than objective" you need look no farther than those who are funded by petroleum institutes. In much the same way, I believe there could be a similar motivation for today’s scientist to be less than objective when finding data that is inconclusive. It would be easy for someone who believes that remedies for global warming will make the enviroment better; regardless of the reality. Especially when it is politically correct and advantageous to personal funding. And also, without considering the costs to economy and liberty.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

It’s a terrible and foolish analogy, because priests and monks were fettered by ideology and science is entirely the opposite.

If you want to point fingers at scientists who are “less than objective” you need look no farther than those who are funded by petroleum institutes.

]]> By: Saint Augustine http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-3/#comment-4178903 Saint Augustine Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:10:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178903 Captain Mantastic is as big a whore as that small group of PhD's who deliver science on demand for a price. Scientists for oil companies that deny global warming are just like scientists for tobacco companies who deny smoking has adverse health effects. FYI Captain, a scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses. Captain Mantastic is as big a whore as that small group of PhD’s who deliver science on demand for a price. Scientists for oil companies that deny global warming are just like scientists for tobacco companies who deny smoking has adverse health effects.

FYI Captain, a scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-2/#comment-4178897 Lefty Patriot Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:07:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178897 In much the same way, I believe there could be a similar motivation for today’s scientist to be less than objective when finding data that is inconclusive. It would be easy for someone who believes that remedies for global warming will make the enviroment better; regardless of the reality. Especially when it is politically correct and advantageous to personal funding. And also, without considering the costs to economy and liberty. Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm Exactly ass-backwards, as usual. Your ideology trump rational thought every time, in your world, which is unfortunately ours as well, and yoinsist on making it uninhabitable for you great-grandchildren so that a white man can buy his 4th vacation house. Clueless. In much the same way, I believe there could be a similar motivation for today’s scientist to be less than objective when finding data that is inconclusive. It would be easy for someone who believes that remedies for global warming will make the enviroment better; regardless of the reality. Especially when it is politically correct and advantageous to personal funding. And also, without considering the costs to economy and liberty.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

Exactly ass-backwards, as usual. Your ideology trump rational thought every time, in your world, which is unfortunately ours as well, and yoinsist on making it uninhabitable for you great-grandchildren so that a white man can buy his 4th vacation house. Clueless.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-2/#comment-4178889 Leftside Annie Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:01:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178889 Oh, lord. Smarter trolls, please! Manny, that last bit was downright embarrassing. Really. Oh, lord. Smarter trolls, please!

Manny, that last bit was downright embarrassing. Really.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-2/#comment-4178877 dbadass Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:52:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178877 Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm How did you feel about such landmark legislation as the Clean Air or Clean Water Acts? Was their costs to the economy and liberty too great. Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 5, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

How did you feel about such landmark legislation as the Clean Air or Clean Water Acts? Was their costs to the economy and liberty too great.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-2/#comment-4178869 RUCerious Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:43:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178869 “costs to economy and liberty” Freedom to buy 8 mpg hummers... “costs to economy and liberty”

Freedom to buy 8 mpg hummers…

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-2/#comment-4178865 ralph the wonder llama Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:42:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178865 Captain, your theory could certainly be plausible when talking about individual scientists, but you're impugning the entire body of worldwide scientists, simply because their research leads them to conclusions your... I don't know... masters... overlords... personal stubbornness... <em>something</em> won't let you accept. And what exactly are the demonstrated "costs to economy and liberty" of which you speak? Captain, your theory could certainly be plausible when talking about individual scientists, but you’re impugning the entire body of worldwide scientists, simply because their research leads them to conclusions your… I don’t know… masters… overlords… personal stubbornness… something won’t let you accept.

And what exactly are the demonstrated “costs to economy and liberty” of which you speak?

]]> By: Clumberfeet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/comment-page-2/#comment-4178864 Clumberfeet Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:41:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/wsj-editor-insults-scientists-attacks-gore/#comment-4178864 Good-bye Wall Street Journal Hello Rupert Murdoch Good-bye Wall Street Journal
Hello Rupert Murdoch

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