Bush gives out wrong mortgage hotline phone number.
During his speech today announcing his plan “to ease the mortgage crisis for consumers, President Bush accidentally gave out the wrong number for his new “Hope Now Hotline” that worried homeowners are encouraged to call for assistance. CNN reports:
President Bush accidentally gave out the wrong phone number for the new “Hope Now Hotline” set up by his administration.
“And I have a message for every homeowner worried about rising mortgage payments: The best you can do for your family is to call 1-800-995-HOPE. That is 1-800-995-H-O-P-E,” he said.
Anyone who dialed 1-800-995-HOPE was greeted by just a busy signal.
Watch it:
The correct “Hope Now Hotline” number is 1-888-995-HOPE.
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Moronic moron.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:21 pmWhat number do I call to get bailed out of my student loans?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:22 pmPerhaps the Lying Sack of Cuteâ„¢, the presidential spokeliar Dana perino will come out tomorrow and say “Of course the President could have been more precise with the number.”
December 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pmIf they dont fly out the tanks, where do they roll to? Bush published a new NIE and suddenly has an accountability problem
December 6th, 2007 at 4:26 pmCould someone please give Bush his blanket and naptime.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThose damn advisers gave him the wrong information again.Or maybe he just doesn’t know how to read.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pmPretty soon we’ll have right wing blogs talking about the telephone conspiracy that had them change the number after the President was adamant about the number.
Needless to say, we should pursue calling the wrong number, even though we know the right number.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThis could be viewed as “False HOPE”. With that said, I’m giving the missleader a pass on this.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:29 pmHe is now a laughing joke and I do feel bad for the people who need help with their homes. Americans can now see they picked an idiot drunk brain dead person as President of the United States. Now what does that say about the American people.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThompson: Maybe Iranians leaked that false number.
Perino: He was being truthful.
Bigfoot: Let’s bomb that number!
Exley: I’m so very well-read therefore the 800 number was correct.
Yep, I was correct. Others are wrong. I am right. You are wrong.
Bolton: This is another example that Iran won’t cooperate and are threat to the existence of humankind.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:29 pmC’mon…as incompetent as Bush is, he still has a stressful job without having to be held accountable for someone giving him the wrong number on the teleprompter.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pmBush got to lay off the sauce.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:31 pmYou know if this keeps up even I will start feeling sorry for Bush. He really needs time out or off. How about permanently.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:31 pm1-800-EAT-SHIT
December 6th, 2007 at 4:31 pm“Let’s bash Dumbya today! Wait, we do that all day everyday.”
As soon as he has two sensible, rational, reasonable days in a row I will stop bashing.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pmHow about 1-800-DOPE!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pm1-800-EAT-SHIT
Comment by Zimzone
ROTFL!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pmHe used 1-800- instead of 1-888- and this is newsworthy here? A pretty simple mistake. “Let’s bash Dumbya today! Wait, we do that all day everyday. Let’s do it anyway. It’s so much fun and so rewarding.†Get a life people. He’ll be gone next year. And he can’t run again if I remember corrrectly.
Comment by Southern Man — December 6, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Oh, sure. Blame the number. :rolleyes:
December 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI’m giving Bush a pass on this one. This slip-up is most likely the fault of a staffer, who is probably feeling pretty embarrassed about it right about now.
I expect a lot out of any President, but I don’t expect the President to have to personally check out every phone number handed to him by his staff.
While this is the sort of “oops” that could easily happen to anyone, I hope the White House has made steps to correct it so people will have the right number.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pmhere’s the problem. Bush is an idiot. He can barely read. So maybe someone did give him the wrong number. Is he just surrounded by nimrods? Maybe if he hired people who take the time to transpose a Gdamn PHONE NUMBER this kind of moronic stuff wouldn’t happen all the time. Oh man, what a damn shame. What a waste.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pmIt’s a sign. The plan is doomed to be a fiasco.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pmIt’s those damned Iranians messing with the presidents teleprompter! We need to bomb the crap out of them for this.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pmHe used 1-800- instead of 1-888- and this is newsworthy here?
Comment by Southern Man — December 6, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Also - isn’t it a good thing to make sure the correct number is given out for the benefit of those homeowners who may need it?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:35 pmIt has come to my attention that Bush is not a terribly bright fellow!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:35 pmDamn leftist teleprompters anyhoo!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmI want to know whether he was given the wrong number, or read the wrong number from the teleprompter. The latter wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Really, to make sure he got the number right, his handlers should have rigged him up with the radio box and earpiece he used in the ‘04 Presidential debate.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmReminds me of the Ron Burgundy film. Bush probably reads whatever is on the teleprompter without thinking. He is a good little droid.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pm22…well THAT was a foregone conclusion. What hasn’t been with these guys?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmBush has created the problem himself…should have gotten his facts or lies straight the first of the week. Now anything he says is late night material for the comics. Sometimes you should just shut up.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmOK, but is this worth a thread?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:38 pmwhat is the number for impeachment?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI’m guessing he was given the right number and just went ahead with what he assumed the number would be. Or maybe he just misspoke.
But toasterhead is absolutley right. Isn’t it kind of important that people who need the help that the number is meant to provide would get the right number?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:39 pmAt least he didn’t say, “1-800-HOPE. That’s 1-800-H-O-A-P”.
Menhune-If he did misread it off a teleprompter, that’s worse. It means he can’t even read!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:39 pmOK, now that I’ve had my fun, we should really cut him some slack.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:39 pmDo you think about four feet of stout rope slack is enough?
I think it would be far better for my family if I called, 1-800-IMPEACH.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“This slip-up is most likely the fault of a staffer”
Comment by missmolly — December 6, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Bush has made a habit of hiring the worst people possible for any task. This staffer could well be another Regents graduate, or the son/daughter of some well connected neocon or a Pioneer so no, I don’t think he’s earned a pass.
Or you could just be a nicer, more reasonable person than I am. ;-)
December 6th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#38 Peter C- LOL!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pmNo - it’s not worth a thread. Lot’s of people still assume 800 without thinking of the newer toll-free area codes.
The mortgage crisis is, and it’s disgusting that this lifeline is being held out to the peasants so they can debase themselves begging to keep the home they bought.
Welcome to the New Feudalism - be sure to offer your virgin daughters to the King’s men before marrying her off to a commoner.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pmWhy did he feel compelled to give out the hotline phone number?
It makes him look and sound like the huckster he truly is.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:42 pmI think I got it.
Bush is a genius, a nice guy and peaceful person. But he has a very sneaky bastard who hates him and gets to write all his speeches and press conferences.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:42 pmThanks, leftcoast, but Cappy’s (@36) was even better.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:43 pmOkay, for the benefit of Southern Man, can we all just stipulate that this thread IS trivial?
Fine. Now that we got that settled, can we all just additionally stipulate that this thread is also FUN?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:43 pm#42 ~ LOL! That’s the second time this week I’ve been called a commie bastard. Y’all are doin right by me!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI sure hope Bush doesn’t decide to veto his own plan.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:45 pmThis must be the calm down and have some fun thread.
Bingo! And you must be the ’state the effing obvious’ troll!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:46 pmI continue to be bemused on learning that there are a limited number of available threads for a blog. Some here live in fear that TP will run out just as something reallllly important comes along. “Sorry, no more threads. You’ll have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry. Nothing we can do about it.”
I thought this was a funny little jab at the Preznut. Probably not so funny for people actually trying to get through to the 800 number.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:47 pmC’mon Southern Man! it’s Happy hour! Live a little.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:47 pmOn a lighter note, we’re all glad he didn’t say
Call 1 - 666-GFKYRSLF
December 6th, 2007 at 4:48 pmC’mon Southern Man! it’s Happy hour! Live a little.
Comment by Menehune — December 6, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Maybe it’s happy hour where you live. Here it’s the middle of a workday afternoon; drinks are several hours off and you do not need to rub it in.
So there.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:50 pmSeems to me that giving out the wrong phone number is the least of Bush’s problems these days with an economy that is on the ropes and the prospect of massive forclosure actions.
Bush seems to be more of a Johnny-Come-Lately in dealing with the problems that have mushroomed out of subprime mortages and morphed into a huge financial system meltdown risk. It appears he and Paulson are trying to head off much more onerous penalties on the lending industry, which likely will come from the Democrats.
Bush also seems to be at odds with many of his die hard Cheneyish supporters on a bailout of borrowers. It would seem that the hard right group might want to consider helping the speculators and investors in real estate, but never bail out the borrowers. Of course, we might learn in time that Bush is going to help the flippers because this group is now holding the bag on a huge number of new houses just constructed and not occupied. The inventory of speculator held housing might run some of the big builders out of business and, my guess is that the bulider lobbyists will hope for investor/speculator/builder releif from the Bush administration as well.
The bailout plan for borrowers as proposed might not be all that generous as it only covers folks who are barely into payment deliquency and took out a mortgage since 2005. It might not have much of a bite.
A second issue is that Bush is now proposing tax exempt bond issuance to fund subprime loans on a local basis. This is pure and simple taxpayer bailout. Although most people who now have a home mortgage and take a tax deduction are already subsidized by the US government, so maybe tax exempt treatment for sub-prime investors isn’t all that bad.
It’s interesting to note that Henry Paulson is now apparently conceding that the lending industry was under-regulated in recent times. I wonder if Bush figured out that Paulson was slamming the Bush administrations go easy market based regulation approach?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI wonder if S&M has ever heard Neil Young’s ‘Southern Man’?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI just called the number Bush gave. The young woman answered, “The Body Shop of D.C. Open 24 hours. How may we serve you?” No wonder the number was busy earlier, as reported.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:52 pmOn a serius note:
The Bush administration’s position, that technology, private investment and economic growth — rather than mandatory emissions cuts — will save the planet from global warming, is taking a beating this week at a U.N. climate change conference in Indonesia.
The public defeats for the U.S. stance, coupled with mounting warnings from scientists and others that only decisive action will control rising temperatures, have cast the Americans as wayward sons who need to wake up and join the rest of the world.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#42 ~ LOL! That’s the second time this week I’ve been called a commie bastard. Y’all are doin right by me!
Comment by RUCerious — December 6, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
You are slowing down =P
December 6th, 2007 at 4:52 pmCalm down already, this is the fun thread.
Comment by Southern Man
As long as you keep posting.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:53 pm57…he like the part about bullwhips cracking
December 6th, 2007 at 4:53 pmThat’s what happens when you let a drug addled, alcoholic retard on the TV.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:54 pmIt’s Clinton’s fault.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:54 pmTrue, Kraz, I usually have at least seven commie bastards by Thursday afternoon!`~
December 6th, 2007 at 4:54 pmeasing the mortgage crisis creates HIGH INFLATION
December 6th, 2007 at 4:55 pm54…sorry gummitch. Not quite here on the east coast either, but close enough.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:56 pmRUCerious
On a lighter note, we’re all glad he didn’t say
Call 1 - 666-GFKYRSLF
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Oh - but he has - in so many ways….
December 6th, 2007 at 4:56 pmCome on, this was a simple mistake.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pmThis would be just a slip up if bush didn’t screw everything up. The man can’t even eat a pretzel without choking. He can’t ride a seque without crashing it. Back before the writer’s strike letterman had a bit called great moments in presidental speeches. It starts out with FDR and his “The only thing we have to fear…” speech, then moves to Kennedy saying “ask not what your country can do for you…, then cuts to bush’s daily dose of “I’m ahhh, uhh, uhhh, hmmm, here ta speechify cuz,ahhh, ummm, I’m the speechifer! heheheheh” The contrast can’t be starker. I’m not even going to get into his deliberate lies and deceptions and the death and destruction he’s left in his wake.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pm“Come on, this was a simple mistake.
Comment by Poop on Republicans ”
Well, bush aint smart enough to make a complicated mistake.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:58 pmIt is the fault of the borrowers. They got into all this financial trouble just to make the president look bad. Seems like vast swathes of the country are really one big sleeper cell.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by mocha — December 6, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Hmm, I just called that number and a recording came on to say:
We’re very sorry, but the President is not available to tell you his current lie. We are experiencing an unusually high volume of irate callers. Please leave a message or just go fu(k yourself.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThanks for calling.
The number one, Mr. President. Then, an eight…another eight…and…another eight. Three eights, Mr. President. The eights are like two circles one above the other. Sorry, Mr. President? No. That’s a zero. It’s just one big circle. We need two circles…an eight. Ok? No, that would be a different number and people would call to another place. I’m sure you like more zeros than eights but the number we need is with three eights. Ok. Good luck, Mr. President.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmclinton messed up porn numbers, so there.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:00 pmJuan LOL!!
December 6th, 2007 at 5:00 pmCome on, this was a simple mistake.
Comment by Poop on Republicans
Well, the last one killed 1 million civilians and 4,000 soldiers…so don’t be so sure.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmon the other hand he could have done it on purpose.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pmHmm, I just called that number and a recording came on to say:
We’re very sorry, but the President is not available to tell you his current lie. We are experiencing an unusually high volume of irate callers. Please leave a message or just go fu(k yourself.
Thanks for calling.
Comment by RUCerious —
Damn, I was so hoping it was jeff Gannon’s old number.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pmIs he braindead?
December 6th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI wonder if the new 888 number is actually taking calls? Or maybe it was just another dog ‘n pony show - a typical day in the white house.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:04 pmAlright! Alright! Alright! Who has never screwed up a phone number?
I just wonder why Bush is given these things to do by his handlers? Why does he not lead his country out of the mess he has made?
December 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmI’m inclined to give him a break on this one. I have four college degrees and am a published author, and I still don’t know my office phone number.
And while I’m no fan of this president or his incompetent and corrupt administration, from what I’ve seen, this seems to be a fair and appropriate policy response to the mortgage crisis. Time will tell whether it will be effective.
If we want to claim that our ideas are better, sometimes we have to acknowledge that the other side does the right thing, too.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmWho the hell is writing his speeches these days? Don’t they check pertinent facts like that out several times to ensure it’s validity? I’ve never seen a more sorry buch of idiots running this government in my lifetime. I’m surprised bush isn’t in a straight jacket yet.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmDidn’t the Katrina victims get a bogus help phone number also?
December 6th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#84 While I agree with you in “spur of the moment questions” like what is your phone number when we each have about three these days, this was not one of those cases.
This was a prepared speech, composed by one of his speech writers and, at least ostensibly, vetted for accuracy. WTF is going on in this white house anyway? Light are on but no one’s home.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThat’s what they get for giving a crony that staffer job, someone unqualified to even get a phone number right.
Poor GW666, nothing has gone right since he got into office.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pmI have four college degrees and am a published author, and I still don’t know my office phone number.
Proof that education does not equate to common sense or intelligence.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmThe incorrect phone number, 1-800-995-HOPE isn’t just any old wrong number — it’s the number for the Freedom Christian Academy, based in Texas.
http://fcacademy.com/admissions.html
December 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmAnd while I’m no fan of this president or his incompetent and corrupt administration, from what I’ve seen, this seems to be a fair and appropriate policy response to the mortgage crisis. Time will tell whether it will be effective.
If we want to claim that our ideas are better, sometimes we have to acknowledge that the other side does the right thing, too.
Comment by Anonymouse — December 6, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
If the mortgage crisis was only hurting those poor sods with subprime loans, you can bet this administration would be twiddling their thumbs and cussing out the irresponsible borrowers. Their problem is that if all those mortgages default, it’s the banks that end up taking it in the shorts, and we’re sure not going to allow that to happen.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:09 pmBush’s idea of a help line is a circle jerk. Now I’m wondering if there even is such a line and program. You see once a leader so totally loses his credibility on a multitude of very significant things, he is not believed at all at a certain point in time. Bush’s has reached this point of believability long, long ago. Now everyone’s a cynical critic and he has no friends left but Barney and Wilma (oops…that ace driver of his named Laura).
December 6th, 2007 at 5:09 pmThe incorrect phone number, 1-800-995-HOPE isn’t just any old wrong number — it’s the number for the Freedom Christian Academy, based in Texas.
http://fcacademy.com/admissions.html
Comment by Midwest Product — December 6, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Nice catch.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:09 pmOther real variations:
1-888-995-GORE
1-888-995-GOP-F
1-888-995-HOSE
1-TX-8-LIMP-3
December 6th, 2007 at 5:09 pmOr you could just be a nicer, more reasonable person than I am. ;-)
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — December 6, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
Nah — I just tend to cut people slack on screw-ups I have made myself (or could). Bush has done so many things worthy of real outrage that it’s not worth getting worked up about the small stuff.
I also made the assumption that it was the fault of a staffer. It COULD have been Bush’s fault — if it was on the TelePrompter correctly and he read it wrong.
The main thing is — no matter who screwed up, the correct number should be communicated to the masses ASAP. Not just for the people who will want to call it, but for the poor suckers who are at the other end of the number Bush DID give out. They are probably having a horrible afternoon of wrong number callers.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:10 pmgummitch: that’s the only reason Bush appears to have a humanitarian cell in his body. It’s all for his goobas in the banks and has absolutely nothing to do with the poor sots who are homeless now. Big Banking, Big Pharma, Big Oil - Bush’s Holy Trinity.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:10 pmmissmolly: The honest thing to do is to get out front and center and admit to making the mistake and correct it immediately. Since this was probably as meaningless as a sheer photo op, they will do nothing of the kind. After all, that might mean that they care about the people and we know this is definitely untrue.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:12 pmgummitch - After 6 years of taking everything he can from the middleclass hard to believe he is trying to help now. I say he is bailing out banks, mortgage companies. Why start now doing something for the public.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmwill NSA be monitoring the calls? obviously, people who need mortgage assistance must be terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:16 pm.
Comment by Billy Hill — December 6, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
You’re silly
December 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAfter 6 years of taking everything he can from the middleclass hard to believe he is trying to help now. I say he is bailing out banks, mortgage companies. Why start now doing something for the public.
Comment by texaslady — December 6, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Precisely. Well said. If individuals filing for personal bankruptcy had the same level of impact as the mortgage crisis, he and the reich-wing congress wouldn’t had made it nearly impossible for individuals to file for personal bankruptcy.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmMiss Molly - I have followed and read everything I could to try and find something Bush has done for the good of all people, starting when he was Governor here. I have found nothing. Everything he has done was to benefit himself or his buddies to the detriment of those paying his salary.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmNow Southern Man is backpedaling and acting like he didn’t show up here to defend his inept leader. If we were as dumb as you Republicans SM we’d believe it. Apparently you dumbasses will believe anything.
But you, you sycophant, can’t let any topic go unchallenged and that is just sad.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmHillbilly’s just angry because he called the hotline and told him this relief wasn’t available to people who couldn’t afford their double wide trailers. Start living within your mean shitkicker and you won’t have these problems.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:22 pmComment by Billy Hill — December 6, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
You’re silly
Comment by dbadass — December 6, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
You give him too much credit dbadass.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmBack to the mortgage crisis, there is enough blame for everyone, people buying the ARMs as well as those lending. Reminds me of the penny stock crash in the 80’s. Or the pyramid/ponzi games those at the start make the money and run and those at the bottom are left holding the bag.
Maybe the taxpayers won’t be the ones to pay this time.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:24 pmgood one… needs to be emboldened
December 6th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThere must be a bustle of activity at the FCA getting ready for all those new students! The phones are jammed!
December 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmThanks had enough. I think we should all call that number, for the next several weeks.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:29 pmHeheh… it really IS funny… you call out for some HOPE, and get a busy signal.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:37 pmI also hope you enjoy the holidays.
Comment by Southern Man — December 6, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
How secular of you. Bill O’Racist is going to be furious with you for not saying “Merry Christmas”.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:39 pmdid you see all the ‘if’s’ in it…..what a joke.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:39 pm10 - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThat reminds me of Cheney spouting the wrong web address, putting a dot com at the end instead of dot org. The website was awesome that he directed people to.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pmAccording to Bill O’Racist, you should have said “I also hope you enjoy the Christmas holiday”. You have to mention “Christmas” at all costs and avoid using “secular terms”.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pmYeah, I remember when Michael Moore did that in Bowling for Columbine. Good times.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 6, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
You do realize that “non sequitur” isn’t really a compliment, right? Your constant need to peck at shiny objects isn’t pretty.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:56 pmo teenfluffer - so glad you got here to take over for cold_shrivelled_weiner - we didn’t have anyone to make a fool of for almost an hour.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmnow we can get back to the important business of hearing wingnuts honk their lies -gee, good times for all.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pmMichael Moore is a sloppy documentarian. who tells the truth, and produces wildly popular books and films. There’s your criticism, fluffer.
Righties wish they had anyone to compare to him, but they don’t, so they constantly attack him, even though no one cares or believes them.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmDo you even know what a non sequitur is? Apparently not. I’d love to see anyone at this site criticize Michael Moore for having done the same thing. Only Moore did it to call someone else a liar. Bush just plain goofed.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 6, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Mr. Moore isn’t president. Try to keep up, skippy.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmThere is something about a Bush Presidency and real estate scandals kept quiet until the end of their terms. Remember the Resolution Trust and the Savings and Loan fiasco that occurred at the end of President George H.W. Bush’s term and now the sub prime mortgage fiasco for young George. One thing in common to both is the absence of meaningful oversight and regulation.
Now raising a problem without a solution is unacceptable. My solution would be to make the properties more affordable. Currently the mortgage tax deduction results in about $40 Billion dollars of tax benefit to US citizens. Congress should increase the deduction for mortgage interest for a temporary period, 3 years maybe. Everyone could claim as a deduction 150% of the interest paid on their first mortgage. This rewards both those in trouble and those that struggle and make the payment. Pay for this by adjusting the Bush tax reductions. In addition, it will make home ownership more desirable. Further, all mortgages that have been issued in the past 6 years would be made fully assumable to a buyer. This could help increase the options available on the market.
Let us not try to solve this problem by taking care of the banks and investors. Let’s solve it at home.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmSorry Pat - You’re not a billionaire, so what you think about it won’t matter in the final tally. Same as goes for the rest of us.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmDreamCrusher is proof that reich-wingers are irrelevant. Criticizing a movie that came out over 5 years ago. Priceless.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmand i didn’t even get any credit for criticizing moore - what a ripoff
(p.s. to Fluffer. I said way back up thread that it was an honest mistake, the 800 vs. 888 slip)
December 6th, 2007 at 6:13 pmBush does have the tendency to surround himself with morons. The truth always finds a way to show itself. And truthfully, this president and the people he surrounds himself with are morons.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:15 pm1-BOO-TST-RAPS - as in “pull yourselves up by your”.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pmthis got turned into a “fun” thread, since the actual topic was somewhat lacking
how’s it taste though, DC? this is the medicine Righty’s been dispensing for SOOOO long, now you’ve gotten a little yourself - how do you like it?
December 6th, 2007 at 6:26 pmjust maybe I will have a few bucks to add on a computer room to the back side if my cousin can get me a deal on roofing down at The Home Depot.
Comment by Billy Hill
Is this cousin also the ‘friend” you went to SF with, and the neighbor who quit drinking 2 years ago, or are they simply all relatives?
December 6th, 2007 at 6:27 pmAnd how are you going to tow your home around with your 35 year old Dodge if your cobble a computer room onto the side?
Oh, wait, you could just get a few wheelbarrow tires and some all-thread while you’re at Home Despot….
…………nevar mind……
if we all just decided to keep hammering on the 800 vs. 888 thing for the next year or two, you’d have a real comprehensive example of what it’s like to disagree with Righty these days. our little version of the swiftboat bullshit. would you like that?
December 6th, 2007 at 6:28 pmWe’ve got a lot of catching up to do, Dreamy.
Our National Embarrassment and his foot soldiers (like Coulter, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et. al) have been calling *US* filthy names for the last 7 years.
You need to get used to being a despised minority, boy. Adapt or die.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:32 pmSo I’ll take that as a “No, Tom, I do not like the taste of the Righty medicine” answer. Thanks.
or would you prefer I cook you up another batch?
December 6th, 2007 at 6:37 pmfragile? show me the Righty that can take 40 years of being marginalized??
oh, that’s right - there aren’t any, because they’ve never been more than pissing distance from having control of everything.
Lefties is tougher than any people you know of Fluffer.
If you doubt that, try offering some of your tripe to Pat Tillman’s brother, and see how he thanks you.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:40 pmtee hee is, really, honestly, all I have to say to that.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:52 pmi giggle because nearly everything you have to say is completely, hysterically ridiculous.
everyone else here thinks so too, and they’ve told you so, 8 ways to Sunday, but you just won’t quit, and that is funny more than it is informative or anything else.
December 6th, 2007 at 7:00 pmwhy would I trust some elitist institution’s report about it?
i thought you righties all hated those “ivory tower intellectuals” anyway.
December 6th, 2007 at 7:15 pmyou’re just a narcissistic nihilist, right?
December 6th, 2007 at 7:57 pm#121 wrote: That reminds me of Cheney spouting the wrong web address, putting a dot com at the end instead of dot org. The website was awesome that he directed people to.
You mean http://www.whitehouse.org versus http://www.whitehouse.gov?
December 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pmso you’re that afraid of being caught on the “wrong” side of something?????
how courageous
December 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pmLet’s bash Dumbya today! Wait, we do that all day everyday. Let’s do it anyway. It’s so much fun and so rewarding.†Get a life people. He’ll be gone next year. And he can’t run again if I remember corrrectly.
Comment by Southern Man — December 6, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Dumbya Bashing is much more healthier and moralistic than midget throwing. However two important points.
1 - He is the perfect goon for the front end of diabolical stealth policy makers, much like Hitler was.
2 - Let’s hope he does not declare Martial law by either a real or false flag event.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:47 pmYou mean http://www.whitehouse.org versus http://www.whitehouse.gov?
Comment by Theresa — December 6, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
That site is hilarious. I have going there since 2001. The action figures links to ebay are a hoot, and I would hope someone gives me the Bobblehead Bush for the Holidays.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pmYour fragile little binary world cannot fathom that I could be anything other than a Republican Bush-supporter simply because I don’t toe the exact line you have been massaged into carrying behind you like an anchor.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 6, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
You toe the exact line that Rush Limbaugh spouts from his drug-addicted face. You are no moderate, and you certainly aren’t a part of the silent majority. The majority is liberal, that’s may be why the media used to lean left, years ago, until the Alzheimer president destroyed all sense of balance and fairness in the media, turning it over to the uber-rich foreigners like Murdoch. You are inexcusably ill-informed, and we’d all be much better off if you were, in fact, silent, instead of coming here to incessantly whine about how the right is mistreated by the truth. Evil? yes, evil. Bombing families to try to kill one man is evil. Leaving American citizens to die in New Orleans is evil. Taking away the Constitutional rights of American citizens is evil. The right has earned that title, and your moaning and pissing about it makes no difference. You’re all cowards, opportunists, and intellectually lazy, and your unthinking, goosestepping support for the man responsible for 9/11 is sickening. And your lying about your moderate wide stance is a joke.
December 6th, 2007 at 9:00 pmoops! My bad..hehehehehehe
December 6th, 2007 at 9:32 pmIn a way it’s irritating that people are getting essentially some of their debt forgiven. I would like my student loans forgiven please.
December 6th, 2007 at 9:59 pmThe world’s most powerful jackass has fixed it so he’s the smartest one in the room.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:25 pmI’m an independent moderate.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 6, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Another “independent moderate” who goes out of his way to defend anything and everything Bush, to the point of spending hours posting unending, barely-coherent babble to prop up his Dear (mis)Leader.
Independent moderate? Riiight….
December 7th, 2007 at 1:08 amWell, we could always complain to the RNC. The number is
1-800-SUK-DICK.
December 7th, 2007 at 2:39 amMiss Molly - I have followed and read everything I could to try and find something Bush has done for the good of all people, starting when he was Governor here. I have found nothing. Everything he has done was to benefit himself or his buddies to the detriment of those paying his salary.
Comment by texaslady — December 6, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Hey, you tried. This is no surprise — his record as President is similar.
December 7th, 2007 at 8:51 amComment by pat of wheaton — December 6, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Currently the mortgage tax deduction results in about $40 Billion dollars of tax benefit to US citizens. Congress should increase the deduction for mortgage interest for a temporary period, 3 years maybe. everyone could claim as a deduction 150% of the interest paid on their first mortgage. This rewards both those in trouble and those that struggle and make the payment. Pay for this by adjusting the Bush tax reductions.
In addition, it will make home ownership more desirable. Further, all mortgages that have been issued in the past 6 years would be made fully assumable to a buyer. This could help increase the options available on the market.
Let us not try to solve this problem by taking care of the banks and investors. Let’s solve it at home.
RESPONSE BY HOPING FOR CHANGE
While your increase the interest deduction might help most folks financially, it seems to me that the USA somewhat shot itself in the foot with a long-time tax policy that has subsidized the overextension of consumers into buying unaffordable houses. We have a lot of citizens whose purchasing power has now been destroyed due to declining home values because they tapped into second mortgages and home equity loans and taking tax deductions.
The implications of this destroyed home equity purchasing power on the entire economy could be grim. A perception is– that in the past– rising house prices and the prospect of tax deductible interest (fed by a shaky mortgage origination process) drove consumers into believing they had new wealth. It also led to the purchase of what the auto industry called “option creep up” resulting in expensive cars and even for trips to Las Vegas.
It is easy to argue that our long time tax deduction priviledge for homeowner interest expense has encouraged irresponsible purchasing and is causing least a portion of the current credit crisis.
It’s also worth noting that our citizens seem to fully support public policy that encourages home ownership because it leads to stronger neighborhoods and less crime, etc.
But, right now, in some cities like Cleveland where the foreclosure are extreme and will depress housing prices for a long time to come even for the responsible homeowners. This is not the outcome we want. It’s going to get a lot worse too as the Bush/Paulson bailout plan appears to be pretty limited.
From what I can tell, the new Bush/Paulson plan also ain’t quite as good as it might have initially seemed it was. It’s helps only a small sub-set of borrowers in trouble who have relatively low credit scores but are not yet late on payments. The social service agencies who have been helping distressed borrowers claim that it won’t do anything for 90% of their clients. This bailout seems aimed only at upper crust of sub-prime borrowers.
I sure don’t see any easy solution here at all. The nation has to get its grips around a very difficult problem that affects thousands of peoples lives. Bush and the Treasury and the Fed were all late to the game in understanding how the sub-prime mess could cause a national and worldwide liquidity crisis. We can’t undo their bad judgment overnight.
Unfortunately our government has encouraged a lot of unsophisticated folks who have speculated in real estate who bought brand new houses from builders and now have defaulted. The builders and lending industry are big Republican political supporters. Thousands of brand new houses are empty and there are lots of jobs on the line here in the house construction industry.
My feeling is that Bush currently claims he won’t bail out “the speculators†but in the end he will slip something into a bill to help out shaky lenders and this group of greedy flippers just to keep the building industry going. We will see…..
December 7th, 2007 at 12:01 pmThe number was for a faith based school in Texas. Which is exactly what Bush wants you to do. Forget about help from the government, call God instead.
Maybe instead you could pray to Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Jerry Falwell, or the other false prophets Bush endorses.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:01 am