Perino Defends Bush’s Lie: ‘The President Was Being Truthful!’
Perino Defends Bush’s Lie: ‘The President Was Being Truthful!’
During the White House press briefing today, Press Secretary Dana Perino attempted to defend President Bush’s lie about when he first learned that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program.
Recall, Bush originally stated that Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell came to him in August “and said, ‘We have some new information.’ He didn’t tell me what the information was.” But last night, Perino conceded he was told that Iran’s program “may be suspended.”
White House reporters repeatedly confronted Perino about this discrepancy in the press briefing this afternoon. Perino tried to claim that when Bush said he didn’t know what the information was, he actually meant, “he didn’t get any of the details of what — what the information was, in terms of what the actual raw intelligence was.” When reporters pressed her on this, an exasperated Perino said:
OK, look. I can see where you could see that the president could have been more precise in that language. But the president was being truthful.
Watch it:
During the briefing, Perino was also asked about the timeline of when Bush was briefed on the NIE. As ThinkProgress reported earlier this week, The New Yorker’s Seymour Hersh said that Bush spoke to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert about the NIE on Monday, Nov. 26.
CNN’s Ed Henry asked Perino: “How could he brief Olmert on Monday about a report that he found out about on Wednesday?” Perino responded, “I don’t — I will check. I mean, it’s possible that he knew that there was information coming.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: Dana, on Tuesday at his press conference, when the president was asked about when he learned about Iran’s nuclear program being halted, was he being completely candid?
PERINO: Yes, he was. And I talked to you about that last night. I talked to your colleague this morning. And I’ll reiterate it here. If you look at the rest of that sentence, what the president is — the president was clearly told that there was new information that was coming in, but he wasn’t told the details of it. And the president was also told that the intelligence community was going to need to go back and check out to find out if it’s true.
What I said is that McConnell told the president if the new information turns out to be true, what we thought we knew for sure is right: Iran does, in fact, have a covert nuclear weapons program, but it may be suspended. He said that there were many streams of information that were coming in. They could potentially be in conflict. They didn’t have a lot of confidence in the information yet.
QUESTION: But the president said, quote, He didn’t tell me what the information was. But you’re now saying he was told that Iran may have halted its nuclear weapons program and also that there may be a new assessment, right?
PERINO: Right, but he doesn’t — he didn’t get any of the details of what — what the information was, in terms of what the actual raw intelligence was.
QUESTION: But he didn’t say details. he just said, He didn’t tell me what the…
PERINO: OK, look. I can see where you could see that the president could have been more precise in that language. But the president was being truthful.
QUESTION: Dana?
PERINO: Yes?
QUESTION: But listen to what he said. He didn’t tell me what the information was. He did tell me it was going to take a while to analyze. Was the president told that there was a possibility that Iran’s nuclear program could be suspended? That’s what you said he was told.
PERINO: Yes. The president was told that there is new information in the context of raw intelligence, not told the details of what it was. And told that he’s going to have — they’re going to have to go back and do some more checking on it because they didn’t have a high degree of confidence in it and it would — could potentially be in conflict.
QUESTION: But he said he didn’t know what the information even was. I can see the details of it, but…
PERINO: I grant you, he could have been more precise in his language.
But if you look at the follow-up — the following sentences of that quote, he says — I have it right here…
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: He says that It would take a while to analyze it. And he’s referring to it in terms of what the information was. I think that…
QUESTION: But he said he didn’t know what the information was.
PERINO: He did not know what the specific details were of the raw intelligence that they had found.
[…]
QUESTION: Can you just clarify one more thing? What day was the president actually briefed on the NIE?
PERINO: I don’t know. I don’t know.
QUESTION: Well, because Mr. Hadley left the impression that it was last Wednesday.
PERINO: Oh, on the NIE, specifically?
QUESTION: On the NIE.
PERINO: Yes, last Wednesday.
QUESTION: Last Wednesday? OK. But there have been reports that the president briefed Prime Minister Olmert last week, maybe on Monday.
ERINO: I don’t know.
QUESTION: Did he brief Prime Minister Olmert? And how could he brief Olmert on Monday about a report that he found out about on Wednesday? Can you…
PERINO: I don’t — I will check. I mean, it’s possible that he knew that there was information coming; the intelligence community was checking it out…
QUESTION: (inaudible) just find out about it Wednesday, though, like, that this was out there?
PERINO: No, the president knew — no, think about it. Think about it. The president was told by McConnell that the NIE — he knew an NIE was coming. So he knew that NIE was going to have to be delayed, because they had gotten some new information — I’ll get to you in a second — that the NIE was coming, that they had to check things out; they had to do some more due diligence. And then they would come back to the president. So he knew it was coming eventually
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Black IS white! Up IS down! How many times do I need to repeat this before you believe it???
December 6th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHoney, you kill me.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:51 pmPerino responded, “I don’t — I will check. I mean, it’s possible that he knew that there was information coming.â€
Attention! Plastic Surgeons out there!
Someone will be needing her nose restored to its original length real soon!!!
December 6th, 2007 at 1:51 pmShe should have just conceded with “It’s Clinton’s fault”.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:52 pm“The president was being truthful! He was!! He WAS!! I hate you, you big meanies!!!”
OK. Calm down, Dana. You’re going to pop something.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:52 pmThe only truth that comes from Bush’s mouth is the fact that he is lying.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:53 pmDid anyone see the presser? Were the reporters peeing their pants by laughing so hard?
December 6th, 2007 at 1:54 pm#3…Nah–I just think she has a really fugly (and getting worse!) portrait of herself locked up in her attic.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:54 pmTP:
Red color: Corrupt Establishment
Yellow color: Incompetent Establishment
You are gonna need a very deep orange.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:54 pmEarlier today, a reporter shouted this question to Bush:
Q Iran’s President said the NIE is a victory for Iran. They want an apology from the United States, and compensation, sir. Will you do that? Is the NIE a victory for Iran?
THE PRESIDENT: (Laughter.) You can mark down I chuckled.
So, when you falsely accuse someone of intending to start WWIII, and the entire world discovers you knew you were lying in your accusation, you just chuckle insead of appologizing.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI see. The new euphemism for lying is “could have been more precise”. Got it.
Does that mean we will be retiring “taken out of context”, Dana? And by the way, may I say you’re darn cute? I just don’t even care if you lie right to my face!
December 6th, 2007 at 1:56 pm>It’s possible that he knew that there was information coming.
Look at her picture….it appears new info in not the only thing coming.
What a ditz !
December 6th, 2007 at 1:56 pmWhere’s CJ Cregg when you need her?
December 6th, 2007 at 1:56 pmAt least she’s the best looking liar in the administration.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:57 pmSo, when you falsely accuse someone of intending to start WWIII, and the entire world discovers you knew you were lying in your accusation, you just chuckle insead of appologizing.
Comment by shoeless — December 6, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
That’s why he’s a Chucklehead.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI know car salesmen who are better liars than these people - doesn’t say much for the people who actually believe them.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI find it impossible to be angry with the Bush Administration anymore.
The people of the United States are so stupid it is becoming disheartening. One president gets a BJ and its as if the world is ending while another actually tries to start WWIII and its like “chill out dudes, you guys are making something outta nothing”
And all along the dems hide in their little holes, afraid to utter a peep.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI think I got it, when the boss asks me where I was yesterday, instead of telling him the truth about my fishing trip, I’ll lie my ass off and tell him I was in the office all day.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:59 pmWhen he asks me why he never say me at my desk, I’ll just flippantly reply I could have been more precise in my language. Landing all those black rockfish is hard work, so I was, actually at work…
At least she’s the best looking liar in the administration.
Comment by WaltinTexas — December 6, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
If only she’d give the president a blowjob. Then we’d finally have a reason to impeach him.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI think I got it, when the boss asks me where I was yesterday, instead of telling him the truth about my fishing trip, I’ll lie my ass off and tell him I was in the office all day.
When he asks me why he never say me at my desk, I’ll just flippantly reply I could have been more precise in my language. Landing all those black rockfish is hard work, so I was, actually at work…
Comment by RUCerious
Or, you could just laugh and say, “You can mark down I chuckled.”
December 6th, 2007 at 2:01 pmIf only she’d give the president a blowjob. Then we’d finally have a reason to impeach him.
Comment by toasterhead
Come on, Bush is way out of her league.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:02 pmYou can tell how demoralized the right-wing is these days. The trolls don’t even bother to use their “Clinton Did It Tooâ„¢” defense when Bush lies to te American people.
But, now that I think of it, if they ever do revive that old chestnut, we can respond “I can see where you can that Clinton could have been more precise in his language when he testified about a blow job from an intern. But Bill Clinton was being truthful.”
December 6th, 2007 at 2:03 pmIt is really sad that a statement like, “The President Was Being Truthful!” is so blatantly laughable.
We have a right to expect that our elected officials tell us the truth. If they are permitted to lie to us with impunity, then we don’t have a democracy.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:04 pmIf only she’d give the president a blowjob. Then we’d finally have a reason to impeach him.
Comment by toasterhead — December 6, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
I’m not sure the President works that side of the street, if you know what I’m saying…
Jeff Gannon. Overnight stays. ‘Nuff said.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:04 pmOr, you could just laugh and say, “You can mark down I chuckled.â€
Comment by shoeless — December 6, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
and repeat that over and over while standing in line at the unemployment office…
December 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThe Lieing sack of cute has been told the new Bushism for lieing “could have been more preciseâ€.
Oh, Bush was unable to express himself accurately with the English language. Ok, that makes sense.
It still is a lie and we all know it.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmJust a blond bimbo protecting her WAR CRIMINAL master…
December 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmBush: “I don’t need any intell-i-genc-es. I’m the Deciderer and I decideded. The NIE was un-necess-erary, I didn’t need it. I don’t need an NIE when I can LIE. If you’re not with me, then you’re with the NIE and the terrissstss. “
December 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmBarbie Perino is a total embarrassment. She can’t lie worth sh|t. I wonder how she sleeps at night knowing that every day she has to go out and lie to her fellow Americans. I know it got to Scott McClellan. He sure became a tub of lard before he left. And then Tony Snow got cancer. I wonder what is awaiting Barbie Perino?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmPerino is the Shield against the Smoke & Mirrors of the most Corrupt Admin in the history of the US. As we slide into Fascism, Parino will lead the brigade.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe US has lots its international credibility when they sent Collin Powell to show cartoons as ‘evidence’ of WMD. Its shambled credibility sank even lower this week with this fiasco from this criminal administration. Now Bimbo Perino wants to twist the lie and she just manage to get even lower… it is time to IMPEACH, INDICT AND IMPERISON BUSH & CO.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI wonder what is awaiting Barbie Perino?
Comment by bilbobaggins
Herpes
December 6th, 2007 at 2:09 pmRemember when the press was quivering like a dog at point over Monica’s stained blue dress?
Where is that press now when it comes to that blood stained Constitution?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:10 pmBUSH AND CHENNEY HAGE 09!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:10 pm#33
Great point, raynman!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:11 pmI must say - I find it interesting that the focus of this story has spun away from the NIE itself and its implications for future relations or dialogue between the U.S. and Iran, and has instead become a three-day story on what Bush knew and what he said about when he said he knew it.
It’s almost as if the administration is perpetuating the relatively unimportant story about presidential backpedalling so the actual message of the NIE is ignored.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:11 pm#29…hellfire and perdition–The lake of fire–whatever they call it these days out in Hooterville.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI love it when she tells the reporter to ‘think about it’ - in reality she is asking the exact opposite. Other expressions such as ‘of course’ he could have been more precise. They were not asking about his diction.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:12 pmWhy does the press participate in the charade? I really would like to know why.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:14 pmDid the Bush misadministration file a law suit claiming it has the right to lie to the American Population based on 1st Ammendment rights?
Huh, I quess I didn’t get the memo.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:15 pm#36 - I’m not sure I agree with you, toasterhead.
I don’t think there’s much left open to interpretation in the NIE. It seems pretty straightforward and it undercuts severely the case the administration and the neocons have been amking for a military strike on Iran.
I think the President’s handling of the information and his “lack of precision in language” (okay, lies) ARE the story. It’s the clearest glimpse yet that most of America — the America that doesn’t scour political blogs — has gotten of the true character of the bunch in the White House.
This could be the thing that drives Bush’s approval into the teens, if the MSM does its job.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pmWhy does the press participate in the charade? I really would like to know why.
Comment by eve — December 6, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Why wouldn’t the “liberal” media participate?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pmBarbie Perino is a total embarrassment. She can’t lie worth sh|t. I wonder how she sleeps at night knowing that every day she has to go out and lie to her fellow Americans. I know it got to Scott McClellan. He sure became a tub of lard before he left. And then Tony Snow got cancer. I wonder what is awaiting Barbie Perino?
Scotty McLyin’ was indeed the worst liar of the bunch. You’d think his lessons from Ari Fly$h!t would have paid off better. Tony Snowjob actually reveled in his job of telling earthshattering lies to people who knew he was lying. He couldn’t have worked for Fox all those years without enjoying it. His cancer was just a little instant karma. I think Deny Herseeno is too dumb to even know she is lying. So, it should have little effect on her.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:18 pmHe wasn’t lying, he was just being his typical delusional self.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:19 pmHey, lying is hard work! So much you have to keep track of! It’s no wonder liars start looking like fools — their brains just start short-circuiting after awhile from the strain of keeping all their stories straight.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:21 pm.
Bus was being thruthfully dishonest.
.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAnd this lie will also be protected with the corporate media in Bush’s pocket….not seeing:
on the front page of every news paper as it would have been before the corporate takeover.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“I don’t recall”. “He could have been more precise”. Gee! Anyone think there’s a pattern here?
Ms. Perino is clearly not up to the job. I think it’s time to stop the pretense and install Limbaugh, Hannety, or O’liely as Press Secretary. At least they would have the sense to cut the mics and storm out when the “going gets tough”.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:23 pmDana will go with ari and scotty to prison for treason in time of war. It is good of her to come and lie to the people a second day. Can you imagine lying to the people you are supposed to take a constitutional oath to protect?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pmIF the press corps deserved their paychecks, they would boycott WH press conferences, and let Dana stand there looking vacuous all by herself.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pmI really think now that NIE points to a reality that the neoCONS did not want to face. Of course, in their bizarro, twisted world they inhabit they see and state the opposite. The neoCONS are a desperate bunch. They desperately need to create another 9/11. They desperately need to create a Provocation and place the blame squarely on Iran. A lot can happen in a years time. As we slowly slide from a free society, we the sheeple will clamor for safety as our civil liberties are stripped.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pmI don’t think there’s much left open to interpretation in the NIE. It seems pretty straightforward and it undercuts severely the case the administration and the neocons have been amking for a military strike on Iran.
True - I agree with you there, it’s pretty straightforward. But the important question for me is “now what?” What are the next steps? Do we open dialogue with Iran now that we know they don’t have a nuclear weapons program? Do we dialogue with them on helping stabilize Iraq? Do we bring them in to the Middle East peace/photo-op process? To me, those are far more important questions I’m not seeing discussed in the media.
I think the President’s handling of the information and his “lack of precision in language†(okay, lies) ARE the story. It’s the clearest glimpse yet that most of America — the America that doesn’t scour political blogs — has gotten of the true character of the bunch in the White House.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 6, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
It’s a part of the story, sure, but I doubt many minds will change on this issue. Either they read the books and blogs and already know the President is linguistically imprecise, or they watch Fox and believe the President speaks the truth even when he’s lying.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:31 pmHow many times does someone have to explain what Bush “really” mean’t . Can’t he get his lies straight before the press conference?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIt’s the Daily Show with Dana Peroxide.
Perino: ‘The President Was Being Truthful!’
Memo to Peroxide: The day that the clown President crawled into the White House from the sewer pipe, stole both elections, and lie to the American people time and time again is the day that George can’t tell the truth about anything. The liar-in-chief has liars running this country on a pack of lies.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:34 pmshe’s nothing butt an ass
as nice as it is, she’s still an ass and we all know what spews from asses.
the white house reporters all got a hot carl, compliments of ms. perino.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pm“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pmNIE said that Iraq had WMD,
Comment by cold_hard_liar
Herr dubyah and dead-eye dick cherry picked intelligence and told America and the world that Iraq had WMD. Quit trying to rewrite history
December 6th, 2007 at 2:41 pmand suddenly the left thinks the NIE is infallible. What does this tell you? Comment by cold_hard_liar — December 6, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
The only “people” that think the NIE is lying/not correct is the vile far, FAR reich-wingers who are dead set on creating more war, death, and destruction. These are the same “people” that were dead wrong about Iraq. What does this tell you?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:43 pmCommon, you carpers, the pay their words well and those words mean what they want. (or something like that)
December 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pm56 - thanks for the hysterical jibber-jabber - we’ll shoot you an email when we’ve run out, k?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:47 pmI wonder what is awaiting Barbie Perino?
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 6, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
A Ken Starr Doll?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pmIt’s a part of the story, sure, but I doubt many minds will change on this issue. Either they read the books and blogs and already know the President is linguistically imprecise, or they watch Fox and believe the President speaks the truth even when he’s lying.
Comment by toasterhead — December 6, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Again, I disagree. I think there’s a vast majority of non-political junkies out there who choose theiur information sources based on entertainment value, not political leanings. They’re the people who were swayed in ‘04 by the “Wartime President” crap and the Swift Boat Liars. Not because they were ideologically predisosed to believe them, but because that’s what filtered through and had the most impact on them.
i think you’re right, most people who pay attention have made up their minds. But it’s those who DON’T pay attention who may be affected now.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pm56
And how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThis bunch in the White House would not know the truth if it bit ALL of them squarely in the ass hard with big, sharp teeth.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pmSanta, I want a dumb good looking women like this for Christmas, PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I can see it now, No Dana that wasn’t me in our bed having sex with your equally good looking sister it was my twin brother. To which Dana would reply, okay.;)
December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pmDoes anyone believe, that with implications as big as the information in the NIE, that everyone waited for the official publication date to read the book ?
Anyone think that the agencies, on hitting significant information, wouldn’t run it up the chain of command prior to publication ?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pmAn NIE said Iraq had WMD and tighty-righties bought it and invaded a soerign nation that had not attacked us. Another NIE said Iran had a nuclear program and tighty-righties beat the ground with their plastic swords for War. Now an NIE says Iran DOESN’T have a nuclear program and hasn’t since 2003, and suddenly the Right thinks NIEs are the product of Iranian counter-inteligence.
What does THAT tell you?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pmcomment by Lividlib @ 2:39 pm
I would not touch her ass under ANY circumstances whatsoever. Iwould probably catch something.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:53 pmCNN’s Ed Henry asked Perino: “How could he brief Olmert on Monday about a report that he found out about on Wednesday?†Perino responded, “I don’t — I will check. I mean, it’s possible that he knew that there was information coming.â€
So he brief Olmert about the details he didn’t have yet…
Right.
Phhhhtttt!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:54 pmI would not touch her ass under ANY circumstances whatsoever. Iwould probably catch something.
Comment by Uncle Ho — December 6, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
A skank by any other name…
December 6th, 2007 at 2:54 pmi think you’re right, most people who pay attention have made up their minds. But it’s those who DON’T pay attention who may be affected now.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 6, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
If they’re paying attention, yes. It depends what Britney and Brangelina are up to.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:54 pmAn NIE said that Iraq had WMD, and liberal Democrats believed it before they didn’t believe it.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
And yet what you say here doesn’t mean a thing politically. 70% of Americans have decided that your President lied about the last war, and is lying about the next war.
Tell me something: does it hurt knowing that your party is headed for destruction in the next election, despite the last ditch effort by footsoldiers like you to turn things around?
I suggest lying on your resume. It’s your only chance.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:55 pmNow if the media were doing their job they would play Bush’s denial of knowing prior to last week over and over and over. You know many people were at work at 10 A.M. and didn’t even hear it .
Or many can’t stand the man and turn their sets off when he comes on.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:58 pmComment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Now that Bruce Bartlett has let it slip that the White House gives marching orders to right wing blogs, I’m expecting him to let it slip that the White House gives marching orders to the trolls it plants at left wing blogs.
Like you.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:03 pmNot even the sycophant trolls will say that the Chimpfck didn’t lie, of course he lied. They will tell you that he had good reason to lie, or that he is the pResident and deserves respect, even though he lied, but they won’t/can’t deny that Bush is a liar.
As far as respect for the pResident, I have more respect for the drunk in the park who passed out and pissed himself again. As for Bush, I would like to shove poodle shit up his nose until he gags. Poodleboarding is NOT torture.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:04 pmWith Bush pushing war because of Iran’s nuclear knowledge wouldn’t it make sense to hear all the NIE information as soon as it was told to him rather than just getting a “brief” as Dana explains.
Why didn’t his NIE people tell him to shut up about WWIII until the information was confirmed. Boy someone dropped the ball, better get a medal ready to give them.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:06 pmIn a Democracy, Lump - 40% means YOU LOSE.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:06 pmand you meant the republican’t-obstructed congress.
republicans are the rockhard turd that is constipating the legislative process and apparently, everyone other than hysterical dummies knows that.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:07 pmC_H_L is either uninformed or simply another lying troll (or both). Many of the people who pushed the (now proven) faulty intel on Iraqs WMD’s were the same people behind the 2005 Iran NIE. Since that time, the intelligence agencies have more vigorously vetted their intel to avoid the policy spinning traps of this corrupt cherry picking government. What does C_H_L have to say about the fact that Dick Cheney himself has expressed confidence in the new NIE (much to his chagrin)? Imagine what intel we may have today had this Administration not outed a top covert CIA agent in 2003 whose job was to investigate possible weapons programs.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:07 pmmoron.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:08 pmWhat happened to the trolls? The shit’s so deep they’re tired of shoveling?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:08 pmCHL what does support for the war and support for Congress have to do with your President bald face lying to you? You aren’t just a little P.O. that he was dumb enough to be caught.
Clinton supporters will admit they think Clinton was an idiot lying about Lewinsky instead of fessing up.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:09 pmtexaslady; Yup, I’m one of those who turns off the tv when that POS comes on.
Hiya RU!
December 6th, 2007 at 3:09 pmthe few still hanging around have become so hysterical they’re worse than the multitide that preceded them.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:09 pmha - multitude.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:10 pmUSA Today/Gallup Poll. Nov. 30-Dec. 2, 2007. N=1,006 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
“Thinking now about the political parties: Do you think the Republican Party or the Democratic Party would do a better job of dealing with each of the following issues and problems? How about the situation in Iraq?”
Republican Party 38
Democratic Party 48
No Difference 14
(vol.)/Unsure
Or maybe…
“Based on what you have heard or read about the surge of U.S. troops in Iraq that began earlier this year, do you think the increase in the number of U.S. troops in Iraq is making the situation there better, not making much difference, or is it making the situation there worse?” Options rotated. N=502, MoE ± 5 (Form A).
Better 40
Not Much Difference 39
Worse 20
Unsure 1
So if you take the people who think it isn’t making a difference or making it worse, that’s 59%. Tell you what, you can add the 1 % unsure to your team, jackass.
And another…
“In general, how would you say things are going for the U.S. in Iraq: very well, moderately well, moderately badly, or very badly?” Options rotated. N=504, MoE ± 5 (Form B).
Very Well 8
Moderately Well 35
Moderately Badly 43
VeryBadly 13
Unsure 1
Add up the very and moderately wells = 43%
And the very and moderately badly = 56%
Your point was???
December 6th, 2007 at 3:11 pmPolls now show that support for the war is up to 40%
Comment by cold_hard_liar — December 6, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Warmongers and supporters of the worst president in history are in the minority. Congrats, you should be proud.
Are you going to retort with Faux’s ratings next?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“Worst Congress ever.”
C_H_L
As a Republiscum I guess that’s pretty embarassing for you. Your obstructionist representatives have seen to it that no legislation will pass that could benefit the American public. Bravo and congrats, Cold.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pmSince I first saw video clips of Perino she has made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I had trouble finding the one word to properly describe her until I saw the clip above, and then it came to me.
She is smarmy.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pmCHL, here’s some polling numbers that conflict with the gallup poll
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm
December 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pm†BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Can’t stop laughing at that one.
Comment by cold_hard_liar — December 6, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
At least you are admitting to your hysteria. The next step is to get treatment, sport.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:13 pmnow Lump has found something that’s not even a piece of corn, but look! - he’s eating it anyway…..eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww
December 6th, 2007 at 3:14 pmOn Congressional Dems…
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca, & Bucuvalas. Nov. 20-26, 2007. N=724 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4. July 2007 survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas. All other surveys conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International..
“Do you approve or disapprove of the job the Democratic leaders in Congress are doing?”
Approve / Disapprove / Unsure
11/20-26/07
35 / 50 / 15
10/17-23/07
31 / 54 / 15
A four point improvement this month. Where the hell is your 20% hard on?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:15 pmHere’s a link to the results of the gallup poll
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
Now CHL, where does this data lead you to believe what you do?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:15 pmPew’s approval rating for herr dubyah: 30%
Pew’s approval rating for Democratic leaders in Congress: 35%
Oops.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#86 Yo, Uncle Ho! I just joined votevets.org…
December 6th, 2007 at 3:16 pmLet’s not let up on this assclown Hellina…
December 6th, 2007 at 3:17 pmI find it impossible to be angry with the Bush Administration anymore.
The people of the United States are so stupid it is becoming disheartening.
Comment by dim wit
Yep, Americans are the stupidest people on the planet. They deserve to have lost their beloved country.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:18 pmHe doesn’t know how to interpret information - only how to find corn kernels in rightypoop.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:19 pmherr dubyah could be eating aborted baby kittens on the WH lawn and cold_hard_liar would still defend the loser and blame the Democrats for it. Reich-wingers have no credibility or dignity.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:19 pmWe’re absolutely missing the followup question for those who disapprove of the Congress’ job performance.
Do you disapprove because they haven’t impeached the assclowns in charge of the Executive Branch?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:20 pmHe’s the one that attempted to use the gallup poll data. Too bad for him he just spewed out a slanted cherry picking of the data by one of the Bush Faithful. Cold Hard Left has been left cold and hard.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:20 pmWow. CHL is back on the “Democrat congress approval” hobbyhorse?
I’m really embarrassed for our trolls. I mean, I know their president hasn’t given ‘em much to work with, but still, I expected better than this.
It’s like they’re not even trying.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:20 pmCHL is going to follow-up with “Clinton is serial rapist!!!!!” (Tm)
December 6th, 2007 at 3:23 pm“A top covert CIA agent.†BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Can’t stop laughing at that one.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Hehe yeah. It’s funny cause it’s treason. :)
December 6th, 2007 at 3:23 pmherr dubyah could be eating aborted baby kittens on the WH lawn and cold_hard_liar would still defend the loser and blame the Democrats for it. Reich-wingers have no credibility or dignity.
Comment by Dr. Matt — December 6, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
I think you’re half-right, Dr. Matt. If Chimpy were eating aborted kittens on the WH lawn, CHL wouldn’t exactly defend his president; all he would do is resurrect the lie about Nancy Pelosi pushing legislation that benefited Starkist, and he’d leave it at that.
Like I said — it’s like they’re not even trying anymore.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:23 pmHas RedState called for a do over yet?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:26 pmCHL’s recipe for a winning debate:
I’m right and you’re wrong
I’m right and you’re wrong
I’m right and you’re wrong
I’m right and you’re wrong
I’m right and you’re wrong
Lalalalalalalala I can’t hear you
Lalalalalalalalalaalala
Not. Even. Trying.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:27 pmBush said “In August, I think it was John — Mike McConnell came in and said, We have some new information. …”
Could it be that John Negroponte had told Bush in January 2007 as the NIE neared completion what it would say? Negroponte resigned as DNI on January 5, 2007.
Rep. Jane Harmon said that the NIE was started before September 26, 2006.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pm#52 I think they are both important stories. It is very important to see how the administration uses this information. If what is going on now is any indication, they really don’t intend to stand down the rhetoric and negotiate.
It is also essential to know the whole back story. Ok if the president was told some new information was made available in August, did he ask about it? If not why not? If not why did his rhetoric change in early August? Was this information just developed this summer? What about the stories that the information has been available and confirmed for 12 - 18 months and that the administration has tried for that long to quash the story? Why the conflicting stories? He learned about it last week…August…He learned there might be something coming in August, he learned a year ago…etc… Regardless of who the president is and regardless of what the issue is it all smacks of either being a cover up, being an incompetent or once again trying to massage the facts to support the unsupportable.
It should really bother people of all political stripes just how hard they are spinning this and how dicey they are parsing it. Unless of course regardless of your political leanings you simply wanted another war. Then of course all of this is a nuisance.
#56 it all goes back to who was writing the NIE and were they wrong or right back then. The president was politically still fairly strong back then and the VP could get any report written any way he wanted it written. Heck look how badly his direction mangled the Iraq NIE. But to toss it right back at you, apparently the August 2001 NIE was not important or specific enough to act on, but the 2002 Iraq NIE was as was the 2005 NIE. Right there the administration is three for three on getting it wrong. But I will assume that you are one of those clamoring for war with Iran and more than willing to sacrifice integrity for battle…as long as others fight it for you.
#70 you need to look beyond the numbers. Congress numbers are low, they almost always are. However the reason congress polls low is for not carrying out the will of the people. Why? Because one party’s only aim this congress is to obstruct and impede at every turn. And when they don’t succeed Bush will veto. Their goal is to essentially make congress not pass any meaningful legislation and then blame the dems for it all, even as republicans filibuster at a record rate, or pull crap like Specter did with the contempt block. Of course people who take the time to read and follow these things know where the real problems lay…squarely on the back of the guys with the bloody red R next to their names.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pmSupport for liars: 25% and holding
December 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pmSupport for Poddleboarding CHL: 95%
CHL - You mean you totally approve of whatever Bush does just because he is a Republican? You can’t disassociate Bush from the party?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:40 pmMany of us are disappointed in the accomplishments of Congress even tho odds and votes are stacked against them. And coming out with a less than 5 days work week next year really aggravates the hell out of me. Wish I could make $167,000 a year for a 2-3 work week.
#118 I mean 2-3 day work week..
December 6th, 2007 at 3:41 pmMo2 - I wondered about that as well. Seemed strange John N would leave so soon. Just wasn’t telling Bush/Cheney what they wanted to hear. Adios
December 6th, 2007 at 3:43 pmDefending the indefensible lie, this may be Perino’s swan song.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:44 pmYou crazy Libs are no match for my “corn-kernels of mass diversion”!!!
-cold_shrivelled_weiner
December 6th, 2007 at 3:45 pmSeverus: Seymour Hersch wrote about this NIE report one year ago. Does that mean that he is more on the inside track with our intel agencies than Bush & Cheney? Or maybe they’ll claim that he has psychic powers? Either way - knowing or not knowing, this white house gang of criminals are, as they say, cooked.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:46 pmPoodleboarding? Does it hurt the poodle?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSeverus: The entire country knows how Bush Co does business and they’re not buying it any more. Bush and Cheney are both impotent lameducks. Liars, too.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:48 pmI think Hersch’s article provides irrefutable evidence that this NIE report was completed AT LEAST one year ago and that Bush and Cheney obstructed it’s release so they could trump up the case for another war based on lies rather than legitimate intelligence. This time, though, they got nailed right in the act and it may cost them their rep as well as jail time.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pmMaybe it’s time for them to experiment with those “non-torture torture techniques” they love to defend so much - like waterboarding?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pmPoodleboarding for Darth; Pussyboarding for Chimpy.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pmOn the new thread, Cheney’s coming unglued. He now has the “I can’t remember disease”, too. Let’s evict them all and send them to the funny farm.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:52 pmLie? Coldhardsalami? Google the article yourself and you will find that Sy Hersch wrote about this very same intel report over one year ago.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pmBeep! Thanks for playing, moron!
Besides, troll, I wouldn’t want to repeat the lie so often that I become a Republican now, would I? You are a joke.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:54 pm127 - now we get to the nut of it - chl is a bona fide authoratarian fascist type, who actually wants to live in a police state, likely because he wants to get his rocks off seeing his favorite minorities being abused and oppressed
i wondered when some splinter-faction of particularly crazed righties would take up the call that Bush just looks bad because “he’s not conservative enough”, and now it’s happened.
don’t expect it to make a lot of waves though - it makes about asa much sense as someone saying Samuel L. Jackson wasn’t “black enough” to star in Pulp Fiction.
which chapter of the Klan do you belong to, Lump??
December 6th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAnd 20% means you lose by a LANDSLIDE.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Thanks for ‘06. You’re really good at irrelevant nonsense.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:55 pmBRB - Getting Sy Hersch’s psychic article so everyone can have the link to his paranormal ability….er….or the report that Bush saw over a year ago….BRB
December 6th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#118. Texaslady. No, I am not in the 34% that support the President, nor am I in the 20% that support the Democratic controlled Congress. Neither have been conservative enough.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
you must be in the idiot majority that supported Hitler. how did that work out for you?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pmNeither have been conservative enough.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Please outline exactly what would satisfy your version of conservatism. Thanks
December 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pmtalk about yer psychos - are you actually posting from a mental hospital somewhere Lump?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pmCHL is a nazi sphincter muscle.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pmthe 2% of the country that make up the lunatic fringe left to believe you. The rest….. not so much.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
that’s 70%, moron. America is a liberal Democracy, or did you fail history as well as logic?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:57 pmThanks for ‘06. You’re really good at irrelevant nonsense.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — December 6, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
tepid_flaccid_leftout obviously got their math instruction from Rove U.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:58 pmIdiot Math - all the Fundy Homeschoolers are teaching it these days.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:59 pmMaybe we should waterboard cold_heartless_lump until he admits he’s a Bush supporter. It’s dangerous for a conservative not to support the President. Any volunteers?
December 6th, 2007 at 3:59 pmApproval rating for unpopular War: 40% and rising
Approval rating for unpopular President: 34% and rising
Approval rating for worst Congress ever: 20% and falling
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Three lies in a row, are you auditioning for Dana Peroxide’s job?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pmno way - he’s all beshitted from his corngathering.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:01 pmNo, I am not in the 34% that support the President, nor am I in the 20% that support the Democratic controlled Congress. Neither have been conservative enough.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Uh-oh… I hope the Trollmasters don’t find out that CHL used non-approved language.
The only approved usage is “DemoCRAT controlled Congress” CHL. You made a mistake and put the “ic” on the end of “democrat”. Naughty naughty.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:05 pmSheesh. I go away for an hour and when I come back CHL has taken another severe pounding, but he just won’t give up.
I think the “40% support the war” representation is misleading. We would have to see the precise questions to determine what this might really mean. But I guarantee that a good number of those people want the war to end, and they sure aren’t gonna “support the war” until November, 2008. You see, CHL, the more the Bush administration convinces people that the war is going well, the higher expectations are raised that the war will be brought to an end. And when it drags on for another year? What then?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:06 pmCelebrating 34% approval? Pathetic. Especially given that this is highest number CHL could find anywhere.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSounds great…but no one cares and our Military and the Iraqis are paying in blood everyday while the American people stay apathetic and the congress continues to ignore the transgressions of this administration. While everyone waits out their time hoping that the 2008 election will fix the problems (like they waited for the 2006 elections), MORE PEOPLE ARE DYING!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:09 pmBUSHIT not a bus hit. They smell different.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThere’s a funny thing about “approval ratings” for Congress. They are a reflection of popular opinion about the body as a whole. However, Senators and Representatives are elected, as individuals, on a State by State basis.
My local paper ran a poll that says our Democratic Senator has a very good approval rating while our Republican Senator is a lame duck. I haven’t seen any polls to suggest this is a unique situation.
Historically, a President’s approval rating is a more accurate indicator of the relative popularity of the two parties. I don’t think any, rational, person believes the Dems aren’t going to achieve a “super-majority”. Whether, or not, that’s a good thing will take time to decide. Though I think it’s necessary.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmCheese is many times more popular than the war and congress. Pickles have proven to kill, every single person who ate a pickle in 1870 is now dead. Numbers alone don’t prove anything. Evidence, facts and guidance from honorable men/women is what is needed.
The lowest of all numbers are the approval ratings of the republicans in congress.
CHL, have a pickle.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI love cheese.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:22 pmCHL is a nazi sphincter muscle.
Comment by patooty — December 6, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
I hate to disagree but isn’t a sphincter muscle actually good for something? I’ll give you the nazi part though.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pmCHL - I am with #138 Please tell me your conservative guidelines. I can’t imagine how anyone could be more conservative than this administration. Well as long as they don’t get caught.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pmActually, VK, that was the average number, not the highest.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 6, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Wow lumpy you learned a new word, “actually”. Maybe next you could learn how to read poll results.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pmgodamn it, it’s hard work keeping your lies straight.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pmSo CHL Bush is not conservative enough for you and you do not approve of him, or rather you are not in the group that approves of him. Please do tell us one thing the president has done that you don’t support? You seem to support him every single time you post. You seem to be marching in lock step. I would imagine that if you are not in the group that approves of his performance that at some point in time you might say something you guys are wrong, Bush needs to go further… But all you do is support support support…Where is the single word of criticism you might have written which would back up your claim that you are not a Bush supporter? My guess is that it does not exist.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pm“The President could have been more truthful”??!! No $h!t Sherlock!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmRU; I have not joined vote vets. I feel too old for the younger folks who are the primary members.
I do have lifelong membership in Vietnam Veterans Against the War and Vietnam Veterans of America. Might join Veterans For Peace too.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pm148 - I’d love to, but you just won’t go away. You can count on me follwing you every time you show up here.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:47 pmDid CHL leave ? Seriously I would like to hear his/her conservative values that are more conservative than Bush. Maybe CHL should regroup the religous base and run for President. I bet they are looking for someone.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:50 pmnow listen here, we are officially living in a period of mass delusion.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:58 pm169- Good Lord let’s hope he’s gone!!
nothing to be gained listening to wack-jobs like him.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmHe wasn’t lying. He was writing fiction with his mouth.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:06 pmCHL: If I were you, I wouldn’t preach to others about posting scat.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pmPukes seems to like polls today. Usually they don’t.
December 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI never thought I would come to enjoy the smell. The smell of desperation that is. And it keeps getting stronger all the time. I wonder what mia culpa Perino will have when she moves on. (ala McClellan)
December 6th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWhy do press people even bother? They know they aren’t going to get a truthful answer to their questions.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pmWow! Watching her spin that much makes me dizzy.
December 6th, 2007 at 7:47 pmHey people, Dana is a honey, better than McClelland. She is just doing her job, she is paid by the US taxpayers to pass on stories and myths. If there is a problem, impeach half the US administration and leave Dana alone. (she is just collecting materal for her memoirs, that right Dana?).
December 6th, 2007 at 9:05 pmWell, no nukes in Iran! No matter, another false flag 9/11 scenario blamed on Iran will do to ‘bomb, bomb, bomb Iran’, as ’sung’ by McCain.
When it came to Minica’s blowjob, the cinical Clinton was almost Impeached… WAR CRIMINALS LYING EVRYTIME ALL THE TIME, PEOPLE ARE DEAD, COUNTRY DESTROYED, MONEY STOLEN, TORTURE, DECEIT, CRIMES AND WAR CRIMES and what??!!! What is Rat Pelosi doing??????!!!!!!!! What is this pathetic congress doing?????!!!!!! I’m not North American, but if I were I would be surrounding the White House and Congress demanding accountability. Otherwise, I would place a paper bag over my head.
December 6th, 2007 at 9:40 pmPeople around the globe are watching this… WHAT A SHAME!
December 6th, 2007 at 9:44 pmI have a feeling they will be replacing this Press Secretary sooner than later. I think they banked on her beauty helping people believe the lies.
Too bad she isn’t a good liar. At least not as good as all the others.
December 7th, 2007 at 1:41 pmNotice Dana Purina claims “Bush did not lie†but never explains HOW he did not lie.
She never offers reasoning to meet the argument. She just says “nuh uhâ€.
Just like the trolls in here do.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 6, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Unless you count “he did not lie because he was not as precise as he should have been.” Yeah, I know, it’s all BS, but that’s what it boils down to.
December 7th, 2007 at 2:09 pm