Comments on: Hayden: Destruction Of Tapes Was ‘In Line With The Law’ Because Torture Advocate Rizzo Said So http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:04:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-4181640 gummitch Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:03:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181640 <em>Devil’s advocate. Was Plame and her husband doing critical work or were they undermining the efforts to make the world safer from terrorists. If the CIA interrogaters were garnering valuable information, to head of future terror attacks, thereby making us safer, are they breaking the law or are they doing critical work for the War on Terror? Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 7, 2007 @ 1:31 pm</em> That's not devil's advocacy, it's just stupidity. Valerie Plame's JOB was to do actual CIA research on WMDs. Maybe in your twisted mind that constitutes "undermining", or maybe you'd like to actual produce some evidence that she was "undermining" the work. Or maybe, really, you just pulled this entirely stupid notion out of your butt. If CIA interrogators are using torture, it doesn't matter how noble their rationale, because IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. The Japanese who tortured American soldiers in WWII had perfectly noble reasons for doing it, and they were convicted and executed as war criminals. Everyone who breaks a law has a perfectly good reason for doing so. It does not make it OK to break the law. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? Devil’s advocate. Was Plame and her husband doing critical work or were they undermining the efforts to make the world safer from terrorists.

If the CIA interrogaters were garnering valuable information, to head of future terror attacks, thereby making us safer, are they breaking the law or are they doing critical work for the War on Terror?

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 7, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

That’s not devil’s advocacy, it’s just stupidity. Valerie Plame’s JOB was to do actual CIA research on WMDs. Maybe in your twisted mind that constitutes “undermining”, or maybe you’d like to actual produce some evidence that she was “undermining” the work. Or maybe, really, you just pulled this entirely stupid notion out of your butt.

If CIA interrogators are using torture, it doesn’t matter how noble their rationale, because IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. The Japanese who tortured American soldiers in WWII had perfectly noble reasons for doing it, and they were convicted and executed as war criminals.

Everyone who breaks a law has a perfectly good reason for doing so. It does not make it OK to break the law. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181472 gummitch Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:13:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181472 <em>If you are as concerned by Valerie Plame being outed by an irresponsible media, why wouldn’t you be concerned that the covert CIA agents on the tapes, would also be outted by the same irresponsible media? Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 7, 2007 @ 1:11 pm</em> You compare someone who was doing critical work for the War on Terra with people actively <em>breaking </em>the law by engaging in torture? Interesting comment on your moral values. If you are as concerned by Valerie Plame being outed by an irresponsible media, why wouldn’t you be concerned that the covert CIA agents on the tapes, would also be outted by the same irresponsible media?

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 7, 2007 @ 1:11 pm

You compare someone who was doing critical work for the War on Terra with people actively breaking the law by engaging in torture?

Interesting comment on your moral values.

]]> By: NoOneYouKnow http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181441 NoOneYouKnow Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:04:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181441 Badmoodman, I just posted Posner's piece over at Raw Story (though I don't know if they'll allow them up); nice catch. Makes you wonder who has the juice to kill Saudi princes and the head of the Pakistani air force that quickly. Hmm. The CIA? CIA/Mossad/ISI/the Saudi royal family? Did the 9/11 hijackers get flight training in Pakistan? Badmoodman, I just posted Posner’s piece over at Raw Story (though I don’t know if they’ll allow them up); nice catch. Makes you wonder who has the juice to kill Saudi princes and the head of the Pakistani air force that quickly. Hmm. The CIA? CIA/Mossad/ISI/the Saudi royal family? Did the 9/11 hijackers get flight training in Pakistan?

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181403 Leftside Annie Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:45:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181403 God. I simply cannot express the depth of my repugnance for this administration. If nobody is torturing anyone, why are they destroying the evidence and why is Bush threatening to veto proposed legislation to ban torture...? God. I simply cannot express the depth of my repugnance for this administration.

If nobody is torturing anyone, why are they destroying the evidence and why is Bush threatening to veto proposed legislation to ban torture…?

]]> By: darladoon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181388 darladoon Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:33:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181388 the bush administration, even when confronted with all manner of evidence to debunk any and all claims, will still find a way to weasel its way out of culpability: "don't recall" "don't remember" "wasn't aware" the bush administration, even when confronted with all manner of evidence to debunk any and all claims, will still find a way to weasel its way out of culpability:

“don’t recall”

“don’t remember”

“wasn’t aware”

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181381 RUCerious Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:27:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181381 As part of the rigorous review that has defined the detention program, the Office of General Counsel examined the tapes and determined that they showed lawful methods of questioning. Yeah, and that's why the had to destroy them... Un huh... Sure....Right,..Yup,,, OK..../snark As part of the rigorous review that has defined the detention program, the Office of General Counsel examined the tapes and determined that they showed lawful methods of questioning.

Yeah, and that’s why the had to destroy them…
Un huh… Sure….Right,..Yup,,, OK…./snark

]]> By: darladoon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181377 darladoon Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:26:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181377 "may have contained evidence" (yawn) “may have contained evidence”

(yawn)

]]> By: zuch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181373 zuch Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:24:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181373 #1 raynman: <i>Can you say extreme conflict of interest?</i> Yes. Can you say <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/12/questions-that-beg-to-be-answered.html" rel="nofollow">"obstruction of justice"</a>? Cheers, #1 raynman:

Can you say extreme conflict of interest?

Yes. Can you say “obstruction of justice”?

Cheers,

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181351 Juan C. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:15:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181351 <em>If I was North American I would be extreemely concerned with the US’s blind and bias support for that terrorist state. Comment by sacopenapa</em> You have to understand, some part of American population was scared that Sandinistas took over Texas by traveling three days through Mexico. Some part of American population was scared of 40 railroad Cuban workers and amateur militia men in Grenade. Some part of American population was scared of Iraq, a ruined country from all the economic sanctions placed upon it since 1991, with no airforce and no WMDs whatsoever. Some part of American population thinks that caging Palestinians, driving them away from their homes, bulldozing its families, holding their wages, giving them permission to work inside their own country, taking their water resources, taking their fishing resources, telling them where they can not drive in their own country is the role of a victim country. Poor puppies. If I was North American I would be extreemely concerned with the US’s blind and bias support for that terrorist state.
Comment by sacopenapa

You have to understand, some part of American population was scared that Sandinistas took over Texas by traveling three days through Mexico.

Some part of American population was scared of 40 railroad Cuban workers and amateur militia men in Grenade.

Some part of American population was scared of Iraq, a ruined country from all the economic sanctions placed upon it since 1991, with no airforce and no WMDs whatsoever.

Some part of American population thinks that caging Palestinians, driving them away from their homes, bulldozing its families, holding their wages, giving them permission to work inside their own country, taking their water resources, taking their fishing resources, telling them where they can not drive in their own country is the role of a victim country. Poor puppies.

]]> By: Buckie Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181327 Buckie Boy Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:01:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181327 "Rizzo" is just so....mmmm....mafia sounding, which would be quite appropriate considering this administrations conduct. Bush/Cheney Hague Trials '09 Buck Fush “Rizzo” is just so….mmmm….mafia sounding, which would be quite appropriate considering this administrations conduct.

Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09

Buck Fush

]]> By: Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181323 Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:58:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181323 Just another of the thousands of coverups of Bush treason and torture... Treason to our Bill of Rights, treason to our Constitution, treason to America. Impeach, then flush. Repeat. Just another of the thousands of coverups of Bush treason and torture… Treason to our Bill of Rights, treason to our Constitution, treason to America.

Impeach, then flush. Repeat.

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181312 Doc Rock Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:52:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181312 The next president will need rubber gloves and a huge broom! The next president will need rubber gloves and a huge broom!

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181301 sacopenapa Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:46:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181301 I don't trust Israel and I'm totaly against what they do to the Palestinian people! If I was North American I would be extreemely concerned with the US's blind and bias support for that terrorist state. I don’t trust Israel and I’m totaly against what they do to the Palestinian people! If I was North American I would be extreemely concerned with the US’s blind and bias support for that terrorist state.

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181295 sacopenapa Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:43:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181295 ...and this weak Congress will again do absolutely nothing! The scumbag in the oval office lie about Iran, and not a single news about it on the media... and Silence from congress!!!! What is the Rat Pelosi doing???!!!! …and this weak Congress will again do absolutely nothing! The scumbag in the oval office lie about Iran, and not a single news about it on the media… and Silence from congress!!!! What is the Rat Pelosi doing???!!!!

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181293 sacopenapa Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:39:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181293 That is amazing Badmoodman!!! That is amazing Badmoodman!!!

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181282 sacopenapa Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:35:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181282 WAR CRIMINALS! COWARDS! CROOKS! THEY DESTROYED EVIDENCE OF A CRIME. A FEDERAL CRIMIE ITSELF! JUST LIKE THE CLEAN UP OF 9/11, SWIFT, FAST, AND WITHOUT PROPPER INVETIGATION. BUSH & Co. HAGE 09! TORTURERS!!!!! WAR CRIMINALS! COWARDS! CROOKS! THEY DESTROYED EVIDENCE OF A CRIME. A FEDERAL CRIMIE ITSELF! JUST LIKE THE CLEAN UP OF 9/11, SWIFT, FAST, AND WITHOUT PROPPER INVETIGATION. BUSH & Co. HAGE 09! TORTURERS!!!!!

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181268 Zooey Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:25:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181268 <em>Rizzo effectively <strong>signed off on the destruction of evidence that may have proven that his original legal opinion was in violation of U.S. law</strong> and the Geneva Conventions. And now, Hayden is citing Rizzo’s signature as proof that the video destruction “was done in line with the law.”</em> Wow. This is criminal. Can you say "consciousness of guilt?" Time to break out the medals... Rizzo effectively signed off on the destruction of evidence that may have proven that his original legal opinion was in violation of U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions. And now, Hayden is citing Rizzo’s signature as proof that the video destruction “was done in line with the law.”

Wow. This is criminal. Can you say “consciousness of guilt?”

Time to break out the medals…

]]> By: Frosty Cupcake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181250 Frosty Cupcake Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:15:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181250 Very interesting, Badmoodman. I hadn't been aware of that. Thanks for the post. Very interesting, Badmoodman. I hadn’t been aware of that. Thanks for the post.

]]> By: Fan of Man http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181248 Fan of Man Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:15:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181248 <strong>ah the old "trust us" strikes again.... got credibility?</strong> ah the old “trust us” strikes again….

got credibility?

]]> By: overlap http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/comment-page-1/#comment-4181247 overlap Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:14:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/07/hayden-rizzo-tapes/#comment-4181247 YA !!! HELL YA !!!! when will you dumb ass liberals learn that the constitution means sh1t to republicans, and Bush is a dictator king who break laws because were so afraid of terrorism? Kill me YA !!!

HELL YA !!!!

when will you dumb ass liberals learn that the constitution means sh1t to republicans, and Bush is a dictator king who break laws because were so afraid of terrorism?

Kill me

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