Comments on: Former Cheney Aide’s Efforts To Discredit Iran NIE Are Contradicted By Cheney Himself

By: katy

katy — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:43:12 +0000

been gone all week… i’ve got to jump in somewhere – it must be here…

from above:
…when even Dick Cheney wonâ€™t go along with their character assassinations and conspiracy theories. – Matt/TP

are you kidding?

THAT”S not the point … or, the ONLY point…
it’s not that he won’t go along – you KNOW he loves the dirt…

it’s THIS:
“…Now, there are things they donâ€™t know. There are always â€” thereâ€™s always the possibility that the circumstances will change…”

he’s got sumpin’ up his sleeve a’right…

By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:43:53 +0000

Nixon was a VP for 8 years. He was Pres for 6, so I think you’re both winners!

By: darladoon

darladoon — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:22:49 +0000

btw, nixon wasn’t VP

By: darladoon

darladoon — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:22:29 +0000

darladoon; How can you POSSIBLY utter cheney and honest in the same sentence? Cheney is the most dishonest VP since Nixon held that post.

if you’ll notice i said: “honest for once”

thanks

By: tombaker

tombaker — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:07:17 +0000

I’m not sharing mine with the likes of them.

By: Uncle Ho

Uncle Ho — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:58:48 +0000

Backbiting Righty Cannibals-comment by tombaker @ :11 pm

Personally, I prefer Cannibis. just saying. (:-D)

By: MapleStreet

MapleStreet — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:33:38 +0000

Are we missing the strategy here: If you tell enough lies, the opposition will waste all their energy chasing down each and every one.

The more contraditions the better. Keep the dems busy chasing phantoms.

By: tombaker

tombaker — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:09:03 +0000

The Bosses always want to blame the workers after they’ve run the company into the ground with bad ideas, and we’re supposed to go along with the idea that “if it failed, the employees must’ve been bad”

whether it’s a regular business or a dept. of gov’t., that’s always the line – companies fail to compete because of the “cost of labor”, not because the CEO and the Board are hapless, preening gits, who spend more time shopping for “summer home window treatments” than they do considering their products, customers, or industry. I’ve witnessed that first hand.

Not satisfied with Government or the Economy – Thank a Republican MBA. They own both.

By: gummitch

gummitch — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:48:54 +0000

Frankâ€™s fear has made him stupid. As evidence, he offers us his opinion that our government should be taking its marching orders from another countryâ€™s intelligence agency. Great Frank. Great idea! Now, go take your nappy.

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” December 7, 2007 @ 1:45 pm

Pure genius. Frank trusts the intelligence service of another country–which has actively spied on this country for decades–over our own intelligence agencies because, like the Bushies, he’s not getting the answers he wants. Shop around until you find one you like, Frank!

By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:45:25 +0000

Frank’s fear has made him stupid. As evidence, he offers us his opinion that our government should be taking its marching orders from another country’s intelligence agency. Great Frank. Great idea! Now, go take your nappy.

By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:43:39 +0000

Poor Frank. He’s simply afraid and ruled by his fear. Fear, of course, makes people stupid.

By: gummitch

gummitch — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:42:41 +0000

#35: As I said, I trust the Israeli intelligence more ON THIS ISSUE. Itâ€™s not that our elint or ground assets are bad, but Israelis have been doing this for generations. Theyâ€™re years ahead of us when it comes to penetrating Iranian or Syrian government and military.

Comment by Frank M â€” December 7, 2007 @ 1:35 pm

And the fact that they’re telling you what you want to hear isn’t a factor at all. Sure.

If the Israelis have actual intel, they would share it. Since they didn’t, we can presume they don’t have it, or we can presume they have their own agenda, which has little or nothing to do with citizens of the United States.

By: Gregor Samsa

Gregor Samsa — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:39:33 +0000

Comment by Frank M â€” December 7, 2007 @ 1:35 pm

You also said that US intelligence agencies “have begun to campaign against Bush administration.”

As I said: Crackpot.

By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:18:53 +0000

Frank: “Vice President is just playing the good guy here.”

Sorry, but anyone who, at this point, thinks the VP is a “good guy” is simply insane.

By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:17:29 +0000

Dick Cheney on Nov. 9th, 2007: “We’re in a position now, clearly, especially when we look at Iran, where it’s very, very important we succeed in our efforts, our national security efforts, to discourage the Iranians from…producing nuclear weapons.”

Hey Frank, Cheney already knew that 16 various intelligence operations had concluded that Iran had shut down its program in 2003. Would you call the above statement a distortion, a misrepresentation or an outright lie? Why has Cheney been arguing for a military strike against Iran when he knew our intelligence agencies had concluded they were not working on weapons? That’s the question you neocons need to answer.

By: Gregor Samsa

Gregor Samsa — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:17:01 +0000

Comment by Frank M â€” December 7, 2007 @ 1:02 pm

Your posts can best be described as crackpot ideas.

By: Xisithrus

Xisithrus — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:14:21 +0000

Frank doesn’t trust his own governments intelligence apparatus, that has kept us safe since 911? WOW. I hear from the Bushies how strong Bush is on national security and how their have been no attacks on the US since 911 [Something our intelligence works to do] and now, because of an NIE by those same people, Frank now trusts the Israel intelligence and not the overhauled Bush one???

WTH Frank?

By: And the beat goes on

And the beat goes on — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:13:27 +0000

On Dec. 4 I posted that the shrubs rhetoric changed subtly in the past several months from how Iran wanted to â€œbuildâ€ nuclear weapons to how Iran wanted to acquire the â€œknowledgeâ€ of nuclear weapons. I donâ€™t think that I looked deep enough. Think about this: do you mean to tell me that we did not know this program was halted for four years? Do you really believe that we just found this out recently? Talk about an intelligence breakdown. Yes, these corrupt and manipulative s.o.b.s knew the truth but they HAD to have known this before August 2007.
Here goes my conspiracy theory. Iran halted their program in 2003. Valerie Plame Wilson is outed in 2003. Who had the most to gain from this outing? What was she working on?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/cheney-teams-plame-leak-_b_15579.html

Talk about convenient. They can kill two birds with one stone by sending Joe Wilson to Iraq to debunk the WMD story and shut down one of the groups trying to discover if Iran is building nuclear weapons with one blow.
Yes, we need to know what they knew and when they knew it but we need to look way before August 2007 if we want the real answers. So go ahead â€“ investigate the NIE. Remember to ask them why didnâ€™t this become knowledge for FOUR YEARS.

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2007/12/the-senate-and.html

The truth is out thereâ€¦

By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper

Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:13:10 +0000

Frank: “The overall goal is still to discredit the obviously biased NIE.”

How can a report which is the composite, peer-reviewed conclusions of 16 separate intelligence agencies be “biased?” Sorry, that just doesn’t make any sense. Is there any depth to which pathetic neocon cultists won’t sink to defend their cult leaders?

By: tombaker

tombaker — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:11:08 +0000

Backbiting Righty Cannibals

a veritable orgy of falseness and insincerity – what a wonder to behold