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By on Dec 8th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
18 percent:
American voters who believe that Iran has halted its nuclear weapons program, according to a Rasmussen survey. 66 percent disagree and say Iran has not stopped its nuclear weapons program.
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47% of all statistics you read online are made up.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:07 pmBut 56% of all readers may or may not believe them.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:08 pmAs opposed to the 32% who think the 56% are uninformed.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:09 pmIsn't this close to the same percentage of Americans that also believed that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11? Believed because this criminal administration is so good at lying?
December 8th, 2007 at 5:10 pmConsidering the recent past, there's something to be said for being in the minority and ahead of the curve.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:10 pmMaybe we should get rid of the agencies that gather our intelligence and just do it all "American Idol"-style?
December 8th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWas there a follow-up question whether respondents were aware of the new NIE? That would test whether they are simply uninformed, or whether they do not believe the intel.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:13 pmMost Americans can't even find the *region* of the world that Iran is in. Or tell you anything about its society, government or history.
Americans know jack about the world.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:13 pm"Was there a follow-up question whether respondents were aware of the new NIE?"
Comment by Laszlo Panaflex — December 8, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
A very good question.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:15 pmAt the very bottom of the article, in very small print, it says this:
"This telephone survey of 800 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on December 5-6, 2007. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence."
800 people??? Can this possibly considered meaningful???
December 8th, 2007 at 5:16 pmHow many more people vote on "American Idol"?
This is SAD.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:16 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Ching-ching-ching-a-ling... the sound of Jingle Ballsâ„¢, filling the thread w/ holiday cheer!
December 8th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAnd where is this 66% getting their intel from, the Bush Administration? This is a perfect example of why polls should be ignored. There is no way that any "normal" citizen, unconnected to the intelligence community in any way, shape or form, could give a pollster an intelligent, well-informed opinion on whether or not any country has nuclear capabilities or even ambitions. We only know what our government tells us, and our government has been proven to be liars willing to say anything they think they need to get us to support their goals (the true nature of which they keep to themselves.)
December 8th, 2007 at 5:17 pmWow! This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Just like they were before the disaster in the dessert. yessir, smart sheep.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:18 pmI think many Americans are confused about the uranium enrichment for fuel and believe it is actually a weapon program. And it's not like anyone representing the admn is discouraging that notion.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:18 pm800 people??? Can this possibly considered meaningful???
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
800 people in Mississippi, looks like.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWow! This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Then I guess you're not American.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:19 pmno surprise from a population whose majority also believes in angels, ghosts, and that they're "#1"
December 8th, 2007 at 5:20 pmAnd all **cough* "related", too.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI asked 3 people....100% said bush lied. I win.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:21 pm#10: This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Right, because being "smart" means ignoring the best available evidence and continuing to believe one's own distorted version of reality. It's "great news" when the American public believes the Bush administration's lies and obfuscations.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:22 pm#21: In reality, the mainstream of America have a pretty good vocabulary, and they know what it means when Iran’s President proclaims death to both Isreal and the United States.
Great. So you should have no problem finding evidence that Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel and/or the United States.
You also should have no problem finding evidence that, contrary to the 2007 NIE report, Iran has continued to have a nuclear weapons program since 2003. After all, you're sooooooooooo smart.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI'm pretty sure at least 66% of all Americans have NO idea what the difference is between Iran and Iraq, ya know, besides one letter.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
I completely stand by my original comment (@#8) 100%.
And this is most probably the last time I will ever address you, as I generally make it a point not to respond to trolls unless they're making some cogent comment.
Something I've *never* seen you do.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWow! This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Nah. It's further proof that paranoia has swept the nation. We can thank Bush Co.'s fear mongering for that.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWell Bigfoot, their uranium enrichment program is under IAEA supervision. Any product that becomes more enriched than necessary for fuel or disappears will be immediately noticed. This is more a threat to us than those countries which are completely unmonitered in what way?
December 8th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThanks, Biggie, for giving us a perfect example of Righty's lack of general knowledge
Someone points out a legitimate, scientific and engineering reality, and a Righty dismisses it as "spin".
"Flat-Earthers only need apply. Stop trying to destroy America by insisting 2+2=4, you crazy liberals"
can't tell the M's from the W's, indeed.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWow! This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
So do you think that Bush's 6o% (or so) disapproval rating shows how smart the American people are as well?
December 8th, 2007 at 5:29 pmhttp://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
might as well spend the day talking to a drunk, homeless schizo under a bridge, as to try to talk sense to a Righty.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:29 pmWhile polls that show the American people aren’t as gullible as you “progressives†seem to think are merely denounced as signs of the American people’s supposed ignorance.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
It's not ignorance; it's paranoia.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:31 pmThe Persian Gulf states signal PGCC's strong opposition to any military option against Iran over its nuclear standoff with the West.
"We want the military factor (against Iran's nuclear program) to be eliminated, " said the Secretary General of the Persian Gulf Cooperation Council (PGCC) Abdul Rahman al-Attiyah during a Saturday regional security conference in Manama.
Al-Attiyah voiced the Council's support for dialogue as the means to resolve Iran's nuclear case saying that the PGCC favored security and stability in the region.
The Qatari Foreign Minister Sheikh Hamed bin Jassem al-Thani called on Washington to engage in dialogue with Tehran to reach a solution over its nuclear dossier.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:31 pm"The majority who voted for Bush twice never should have doubted ourselves. We knew what we were doing, both times.
Comment by O. Bigfoot"
These would be the same people who know that they're going to hell because they have committed mortal sins in the eyes of their Lord because they knowingly helped to keep someone as evil as bush in power and allowed him to commit more murder and torture.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pmFool me once, shame on you.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pmFool me twice, shame on US.
This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Yeah, I remember how dumb I felt that day when they found the WMDs in Iraq.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:35 pm#26:
http://www.spiegel.de/ international/ world/ 0,1518,484958,00.html
How’s that for a source? Or are you claiming that a major German newspaper is in collusion with “the zionists†and Bush?
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
This is the first line of the article:
All Israel has to do to avoid destruction is not to invade Lebanon again.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:36 pmDemagoguery is the last and only thing they've got, and it was never worth a plugged nickel in World History.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:36 pman interesting tidbit from WSJ article:
• Some 27% of Iranians believe Iran will have a nuclear weapon in the next 50 years, compared with 86% of Americans, according to a December 2006 poll by the Program on International Policy Attitudes.
Behind the Iran-Intelligence Reversal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119707239120517817.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
consider the source...
December 8th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThe Iranians better look out or we'll bring democracy to their country, too.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:38 pm"• Some 27% of Iranians believe Iran will have a nuclear weapon in the next 50 years..."
- - 50 years?! Hell, in 50 years Lichtenstein will go nucular!
December 8th, 2007 at 5:39 pm[these are the same people who said D's would gain nothing last fall in the elections - just wait til they see what happens next November, by which time the rest of the R's in Congress will have quit, retired, or fallen under indicment]
now THAT's going to be a hoot!!
December 8th, 2007 at 5:42 pmBecause that means the mainstream of America believes that yes, there is truth in the words of the President they elected, and re-elected.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
He lost the election in 2000 and got the chance to govern because of a Supreme Court decision and there's doubts about his 2004 "victory".
December 8th, 2007 at 5:43 pm“The Iranians better look out or we’ll bring democracy to their country, too.
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — December 8, 2007 @ 5:38 pmâ€
Damned straight!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Ironic considering that their president was elected by a popular majority, and OURS WASN'T!! ROTFL!!!
More wingnut stupidity at it's finest O'Bigmouth!
Tell me, did GOD tell you to to attack the OTHER FOLLOWERS OF THE SAME GOD?
December 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pmDamned straight!
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Hey, Mike Honcho, Mahmoud was elected by Iran population.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pmYeah, sure. Whatever you say, there Bobwurst. Has “God†told you anything else today?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Maybe you should ask BUSH or HUCKABEE about that, since they both claim god TALKS to them? ROTFL!!!
December 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIn the meantime, explain the Democrat Congress’ lowest approval ratings in history. Bush is around 20 percent or more better off than those clowns in the Capitol Building.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
If you look at the polls, the Democratic Congress' approval rating is higher among republicans than Democrats.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:46 pmbigfoot's on the side of the draft-dodgingest batch of righties ever to dishonor their country.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:46 pmIn reality, the mainstream of America have a pretty good vocabulary, and they know what it means when Iran’s President proclaims death to both Isreal and the United States.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
So, they know Farsi?
Oh, BTW, it's Israel, good vocabulary boy.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:46 pmWow! This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Approximately the same percentage think Bush is a great president. Which pole should we believe?
In the world stage, Bush has been caught lying more often and with more destructive results than Iran. Israel disregards every UN resolution voted on against it.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:46 pmAsk enough questions, and one can find something to dissaprove of. I dissaprove of Bush’s handling of border security. We should have the southern fence built by now, and that “amnesty thing†that the American people shot down in flames, wow! Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Yet the MAJORITY of Americans disagree with YOU, are you saying that they're SMARTER than you are? Because that's your argument on this poll!! ROTFL!!! You're one dumb piece of trailer trash there little girl!
In the meantime, explain the Democrat Congress’ lowest approval ratings in history. Bush is around 20 percent or more better off than those clowns in the Capitol Building.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Well if you break out those polls, you'll see the disapproval is for the REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM! The same polls have Democrats with a 10%+ higher approval than Bush!
But don't confuse America's hatred for REPUBLICANS with Congress! It's easy to do when you don't understand MATH, especially trailer trash like you!
December 8th, 2007 at 5:47 pmAnd he kowtows to a Cheerleader Prince, born to his position like the Kings of old France. Upheld by the ill-gotten wealth of a hereditary aristocracy, one that has mortgaged we peasants and our lands to Chinese Communists so they can pursue their vain passions.
wonder what the Founders and the Revolutionaries would think of today's crop of Righties?
December 8th, 2007 at 5:49 pmOBigfoot confuses Americans not yet hearing enough reporting from the right wing media, with their BELIEFS. If you ask the same people if they believe we should be attacking Iran if it's shown their nuclear program is only being used for peaceful purposes - you get a VERY DIFFERENT result..
All this poll shows is how the Rightwing Media has helped bush falsely sway the perception in the population. Don't work OBigmouth, that too shall change - just like EVERY OTHER position that the GOP is on the WRONG SIDE of.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:49 pmYou're going to burn bigfoot. you know it. You won't ever admit it to a liberal, but deep in your heart, deep in the middle of the night, when no one else is awake, you know what bush has done with your help, and you know you're going to burn.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:50 pmMocking god bigfoot? while your stepsons are in harm's way? Don't blame me when you get a visit from an honor guard.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:53 pm“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer�
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Which is why your neighbors haven't moved.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:55 pmOperation Catapult appears to be in full swing.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI guess sometimes you have to cling to fear in order to be comfortable.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:57 pmYou’d have to ask Bobwurst about that..he is the one in this thread claiming divine knowledge.
Bobwurst?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
He is? Because it was YOU that claimed you ALWAYS KNEW something, that without DIVINE KNOWLEDGE wouldn't have been possible.
TYPICAL GOP PROJECTION, how BORING you are troll...
December 8th, 2007 at 5:57 pmNo Bob, pay attention, please. I’m mocking you.
What’s this hours “revelationâ€, Prophet Bobwurst?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Ironically that's like a jobless man mocking a rich guy for not working! ROTFL!!!
December 8th, 2007 at 5:57 pmWhich is why Iran, on the surface, should be ejected from the U.N.
However, have you ever heard the old adage: “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer�
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
That explains the GOP SUPPORT for Al Qaeda all of those years!!! ROTFL!!!
December 8th, 2007 at 5:58 pmBush sends "Dear Lover" letter to Lil Kim Jong Il.
Why is Bush rewarding bad behavior.
-GSD
December 8th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThe biggest irony is OBigmouth Idolizing Bush who actually BELIEVES and SAYS he has divine knowledge, while making fun of other people who haven't said that!!!
ROTFL!!! That's TRULY the act of a PSYCHO REPUBLICAN HYPOCRITE and FOOL!!!
December 8th, 2007 at 6:01 pmActually, they did. That’s what happens when one doesn’t make their house payments for a year. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
ROTFL!!! Yeah, we can already tell exactly what kind of 'neighborhood' (trailer) you live in there, you sad 'tarded little redneck!
They did leave me a nice charcoal-fired BBQ/Smoker Pit when they left, though. Hauled it down to my place out in the boonies. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
So you stole property, and live away from 'civilized' people. You sound like another poorly socialized sociopath there 'unabomber'
Closest neighbors there are a mile or so away as the crow flies, about 3 miles by road.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Well considering what a complete moronic @sshole you are, I'm sure they all benefit MOST from the distance!
December 8th, 2007 at 6:05 pm“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closerâ€
Wanna bet Robert Hanssen would laugh at that assertion?
December 8th, 2007 at 6:07 pmO. Bigfoot and Frank M are examples of rightwingers inbreeding. I do not claim any divine knowledge about this, but do claim that scientific investigation in the future will prove the genetic mutation that evolved among republican christians in the late 1900's.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:08 pmFeel free to skip over my posts, then. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Why would I deprive myself of the fun of making fun of your stupidity, ignorance and insanity? ROTFL!!
I merely pay attention to world events, and the facts. It’s easy, once you learn how. Eventually, you too can “get itâ€. But from your posts, it’s apparent you aren’t there yet. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You do? Pay attention? Sorry, but there's no 'evidence' of that happening. But your 'projection' of your own lack of skills is an amusing, but typical act of the moronic gop.
There’s alway hope, though. Don’t lose hope!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
There is always hope, but alas, very little of that hope would apply to YOU! Maybe your children won't be born so brain dead, but based on your 'personal choices', most likely your children will be the spawn of equally stupid people (assuming you're not as impotent physically as you are mentally and emotionally).
December 8th, 2007 at 6:08 pmAh yes. The good old liberal elitism surfaces again. If you live in the boonies and not in a big city, preferably on the east coast, you live away from civilized people…
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
ROTFL!!! You do realize what the word 'civilization' means - right?
December 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pm““Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer�
Is that what the Cheerleader Prince when he told NATO "no thanks" post- 9/11?
Is that what he's doing by telling the rest of the World to get bent while he does what he pleases?
None of what's been done even begins to live up to the wisdom of that old proverb.
"Keep you friends at a distance, and your enemies on the other side of town" - there's an apt expression of the Cheerleader Prince's policy.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pmWhy all the yelling? That’s a sign of desperation, ya’ know?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
YELLING? ROTFL!!! You mean EMPHASIS on words?
Considering you probably were raised in a DESPERATE (probably a child of abusive alcoholics is the easy guess based on your 'personality') it's easy to see how you prefer to YELL and assume everyone else is JUST LIKE YOU!!! ROTFL!!
December 8th, 2007 at 6:10 pmBigfoot is just regurgitating what Dan Bartlett told him to say.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:13 pmYou know frank, this is in fact one of the DEFINITIONS of civilization
civ·i·li·za·tion Listen to the pronunciation of civilization
Pronunciation:
\ËŒsi-vÉ™-lÉ™-ˈzÄ-shÉ™n\
Function:
noun
a relatively high level of cultural and technological development;
a situation of urban comfort
ROTFL!! You know it would really help Republicans if they would bookmark a dictionary, and LOOK UP A WORD before they use it!!
Otherwise they just keep looking STUPID like OBigmouth and FrankTheMORON.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:13 pmI'm Boonies-born-and-raised, but I'm not gripped with denial, paranoia, xenophobia, provincialism, and parochialism because of it.
[kinda like when righties tell the tale of the rich guy that rose from poverty, but involving ideas instead of money. i'm rich now, but i come from a place where no one was]
December 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pmBigfoot, when you put "god" in quotes, you're mocking god. Dumass.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pm"That’s what happens when one doesn’t make their house payments for a year. They did leave me a nice charcoal-fired BBQ/Smoker Pit when they left, though. Bigfoot"
Notice bigfoot's compassion here, his neighbor loses his home, a victim of the bush economy but all bigfoot can do is brag that he got nice grill. He won't care when his stepsons come home damaged, he'll say, "hey they volunteered, it's their problem."
December 8th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIf you did a survey asking how many galaxies there were and the majority of the American people said there were a thousand----there still would be 100 billion galaxies. People's opinions wouldn't have any effect on how many galaxies there were! Same thing with whether or not Iran has a current nucler weapons program. The people have heard so many countless times what a threat Iran is---they will answer that way. Doesn't mean they are right, BigFoot.
Our intelligence agencies do not lie in that direction. They might say in 1989, for example, that the Soviet Union could take over the world at any minute when the truth was they were falling apart. They do sometimes lie in that direction. But not the other.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:24 pmTwo things:
First, Rasmussen is a conservative polling company.
Second, they don't say how the poll was weighted (how many dems polled vs. how many repubs). Until we know this, the poll is suspect.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:27 pm"If you live in the boonies and not in a big city, preferably on the east coast, you live away from civilized people…Frank M"
Civilization: "a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; a situation of urban comfort
republicans hate facts"
"#88: Ok, so you found a dictionary, but apparently you can’t read.
Frank M"
Really Frank, RHF can't read. You may be able to read, but it's obvious.you can't comprehend the meaning of the words.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI will offer O. Bigfoot an explanation for the low approval rating of Congress. Congress has accomplished little. Part of the failure was the publicly announced strategy of McConnel and the Republican leadership to obstruct any meaningful legislation. The use of the fillabuster in the Senate has reach the highest rate in the history of the Senate. The other reason for the low ratings is the failure of the Democrats in Congress to put an end to the attempted tyrany by the Republicans.
I would suggest that we simply arrest scum like you and have you executed for supporting a criminal regime.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:29 pmComment by republicans hate facts — December 8, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Greetings RHF.
The problem with average trolls, or even exceptional ones, is that they are incapable of reason. Even when faced with absolute proof, they can't give up their preconceived notions.
Throw in a healthy dose of sadism, and, one is left with a gross caricature of a human, devoid of anything to which one may appeal.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:33 pmLooking at the other polls conducted by Rassmussen on this issue, they don't say how the surveys were weighted, either.
Very suspicious.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:33 pmIf people hear something enough--like the media has a liberal bias, Perot gave two elections to Clinton, and Republicans are better for security---then it becomes "true" when in reality they are myths. We have had so many decades of Iran being the bogeyman, that people cannot wrap their minds around the idea that they might not be.
How about worrying about Pakistan and Israel and the 26,000 nuclear weapons that really do exist NOW?
December 8th, 2007 at 6:34 pm"How about worrying about Pakistan and Israel and the 26,000 nuclear weapons that really do exist NOW?" - Keith
Because real problems can be solved. Only imaginary ones can generate profits in the long-term.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#88: Ok, so you found a dictionary, but apparently you can’t read. The poster I was replying to made the allegation that if you don’t live in a city, you don’t live near civilized people? Are you too saying that civilized people don’t live in the boonies or can’t you just read?
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
ROTFL!!! Still having trouble with reading the definition, even when I posted it!!! HYSTERICAL!!!
December 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pmWait a minute, doesn't this mean that the majority of those polled think that the Bush Administration is either wrong or lying? Is this poll more of an indictment of Bush or indicator of what the man on the street thinks he knows about Iran's nuclear ambitions?
December 8th, 2007 at 6:42 pmUnfortunately, this is merely a problem with semantics. Iran could suspend progress in one part of its nuclear weapons program, and still proceed with other aspects.
Bottom line is this - Iran has NOT dismantled its nuclear program, as Libya has done.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:44 pmWhy must Iran be defenseless in the face of the threat from the US or Israel? Look what happened to Iraq when they did not have a nuclear weapon and at the same time were sitting on top of the world's #2 oil reserves. Iran has the #3 oil reserves.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:47 pmthat's J. Hendler, reporting from a bunker outside Iran, with his first-hand observations, folks - so do not doubt a word of it, lest your head be chopped off with a nukular missile.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:55 pmUnfortunately, this is merely a problem with semantics. Iran could suspend progress in one part of its nuclear weapons program, and still proceed with other aspects.
Bottom line is this - Iran has NOT dismantled its nuclear program, as Libya has done.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 8, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
You mean progress in making fuel for power plants? Speaking of semantics aspergers boy - you ignore the findings of SIXTEEN intelligence agencies based on YOUR IDEA of SEMANTICS? You really are 'tarded - little girl!
December 8th, 2007 at 7:00 pmSigh. The 18% who believe Iran has halted nuclear weapon development, as opposed to having suspended it temporarily have to ask themselves why they believe that.
If I were Iran, I think it would be crazy to not want to have a nuclear weapon. History shows that those who have nukes do not get invaded by the US.
18% of Americans want to attack Iran. They are obviously not the same 18% ers. How can this be since 66% believe they still want nukes, but only 18% want to attack them.
Because even the critters, most of them anyways, recognize that Iran is not a threat to us, even with nukes. Using nukes against Israel or the US means the destruction of their country. It would be suicide. Now, the supreme leader may not mind giving up a few of his critters, but the idea of becoming radioactive toast is not appealing to him. He already has plenty of young virgins in this life, he does not need paradise.
Last time, Iran is all about Oil. Nukes, terrorism, etc, are just fear bites for the critters. If Iran gets nukes, the only threat to us is we can not steal their oil or force them to sell it to us and not China.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 8, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
How do you know that Libya did so?
December 8th, 2007 at 7:25 pmHow do you, Jason, know that Libya discontnued their program? Are you a secret agent? Of course not, your an electronic engineer that makes Wi-Fi and other antennas for the propagation of RF signals.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:30 pmWow, it's scary how easily the sheeple are brainwashed. It's almost like they want to be afraid.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:33 pmThis poll would only be indicative of the current situation if they only asked the question of people who were aware of the NIE. If they didn't ask that question and surveyed people who were not aware of the NIE, they were getting a skewed poll since until the NIE the Bush Crime Family had done a pretty good job of lying people into believing that Iran is our next boogy man.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:41 pmIs it really that hard to accept that people might actually WANT those people in power and that they trust them?
Comment by Frank M
Considering the fact that Bush is polling in the mid twenties, yes it is hard to accept that people want him in power and trust him.
And Wayne had a good point. If people were to educate themselves, not just watch Fox news and listen to 30 second political advertisements, I believe that people would vote in their own best interests, not vote for the prettiest face or the one that promises to do away with abortion or gay marriage. I truly believe that the sheeple are waking up.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:44 pmO.Bigfoot: Flagged for off-topic posts and personal attacks.
Frank M: Flagged for off-topic posts and personal attacks.
TROS: Flagged for personal attacks.
Republic, I seemed to remember you pre-update as a level-headed debater who didn't stoop to personal attacks and ALL CAPS. I'd rather not flag you, but I honestly can't flag O.Bigfoot and others if I won't flag you for the same behavior. Take this as a friendly warning from another poster. Cool your jets...stooping to their level only lets them win. Try flagging them when they pull the topic off-topic and especially if they let fly with personal attacks.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:49 pmErr, not TROS, Republicans hate Facts.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:49 pmThis is what happens when I get distracted. I kinda merged TROS and RHF in my mind. Disregard the part about level-headed posts from RHF. TROS, you're OK, just saw Republicans Hate Facts and the Brain said Republic of Stupidity....
RHS, you can make some good points if you back off your own vitrol. Again, if I flag Bigfoot for off-topic posts and insults, and you go around flinging insults of your own, I gotta flag you too.
December 8th, 2007 at 7:54 pmAnyone remember Mohammad Mossadegh? Where it really began with him being ousted by, let's see, BP and others from U.K., the U.S. Gov't.,
December 8th, 2007 at 8:02 pmthe Oil companies and the help of Reza Pahlavi, you know, the Shah of Iran circa: 1953, the oil revenues were about dry up and so he was removed. So, the Shah became the U.S. neocons best friend, his human rights treatment of his people were right up there with Augusto Pinochet, you know, the neocons partners in crime with Kissinger and their roll in running Chile, S.A. It is nowonder that Iran would try to find a bigger stick with all the crap that's been thrown at them. They were lied to just as we have been. Wouldn't you be a little agravated if D. Rumsfield and D. Cheney, with the blessing of R. Reagan, schemed and connived S. Hussein of Iraq into war with Iran (circa: 1982) showering him with the very same WMDs that we recently were scouring the country side of Iraq for evidence thereof? To trust a psyco in the WH that calls you evil and in the same breath say "I don't know of any Jack Abramoff, never heard of him, and yet his conjoined twin, Karl Mengele Rove had a unique arrangement with Mr. Jack, mainly they shared the same secretary, at different times of course. So you keep on listening to Fox News and Rush Limpo and Hannity the Hun, the spirit of Joseph Goebbels will be proud that his life's work continues.
Again, if I flag Bigfoot for off-topic posts and insults, and you go around flinging insults of your own, I gotta flag you too.
Comment by Jeremy in Denver — December 8, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Sheez, I've been gone for 2 hrs... not that I can't get pretty snarky when I feel like it...
December 8th, 2007 at 8:17 pmhey we don't need a sheriff dispensing "manners justice" 'round here!
a lot of tp regulars sound pretty hostile, after all the bs they've put up with, and that's just the way it is for now.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pmEither pay attention, or flag off......
December 8th, 2007 at 8:34 pmIt’s the duty of Progressives to tell the American people the truth of the Progressive Freedoms Iran has!
Comment by Megatron — December 8, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Oh gosh... another clever troll... sorry, but the ching-ching-ching-a-ling of yer Jingle Ballsâ„¢ gave ya away. That, 'n the candy-cane stripped codpiece w/ matching stripped tights, vinyl short shorts, and curly-toed elf boots.
Really, someone get some pixes of these dingberries before they sober up and realize just how f-in' ridicuous they look in those outfits.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmRHF,
Mentor me, my Islamian butt kisser.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:40 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 8, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
"Leftists" and "Dingleberries" make up one word, actually.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:42 pmIran is a great nation where tolerance rules and their regime cares about the people!
Comment by Megatron — December 8, 2007 @ 8:40 p
Riiight... yet ANOTHER dingdong, irrational troll, mincing around w/ his Jingle Ballsâ„¢ on. Ching-ching-ching-a-ling... ho.. ho.. ho..
December 8th, 2007 at 8:42 pmWhat did I say wrong that you’re upset?
Comment by Megatron — December 8, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
naah... when ya show up dressed like an S&M Munchkin, it's hysterically funny. You guys really have to talk to the one makin' ya dress like that.
Really, someone git some pix before they sober up and realize how ridiculous they look.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pmComment by Megatron — December 8, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
That's right, Iran is great, and our leftists goobers can be the tour guides of our great nation.
We plan on mailing a Carebear (tm) to them if Hillary is mistakenly elected. America and Iran will have make up sex, nuke invitation and all.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pmAmerica and Iran will have make up sex, nuke invitation and all.
Comment by Leftenant — December 8, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Go for it. Ya only embarrass yourselves w/ such asinine comments.
Talk irrational, silly gibberish. Knock yerselves out, boys. This is what happens when the RNC outsources its trolling.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:50 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 8, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
You leftists know Iran loves dirty talk. Leftists read off the most obscure elements of the periodic table to them...and they LOVE IT. It's stimulating AND it's free advice.
No weapon "by the end of the decade"...our lies! We want everyone to remain calm a pure leftist defense.
HA!
December 8th, 2007 at 8:54 pmWe leftists LOVE dismantling the U.S. military and calling it "readiness."
Clinton didn't do it too. Clinton did it alone.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:57 pmXisithrus,
"... your [sic] an electronic [sic] engineer that makes Wi-Fi and other antennas for the propagation of RF signals."
Geez, it sounds so boring when you say it like that.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:59 pmComment by Megatron — December 8, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
I apologize. I will convert unconditionally in 20 minutes.
December 8th, 2007 at 9:00 pmGates during Mid East convention
December 8th, 2007 at 9:00 pmAfter reading through this thread and reading O. Bigfoot's posts I've got just a few points to make about his views:
1) A poll of american citizens is not evidence of a nuclear weapons program
December 8th, 2007 at 9:01 pm2) We can not take any kind of action unless we have evidence. Especially after the WMD fiasco with Iraq
3) Whether the NIE is proof of Iran halting it's program or not, one thing it certainly is proof of is the fact that we don't know anything about their program if it does exist. Meaning we don't know where to strike to take any of it out
4) Without knowledge of where any of it is: an attack will achieve nothing
5) The NIE is also a powerful indication that diplomacy can and may have already worked
Clinton didn’t do it too. Clinton did it alone.
Comment by Leftenant — December 8, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
sure he did. And Bush is so good at prezdentin' that he's lost two wars simultaneously. Thanks for 9/11, righties.
December 8th, 2007 at 9:25 pmNo weapon “by the end of the decadeâ€â€¦our lies! We want everyone to remain calm a pure leftist defense.
HA!
Comment by Leftenant — December 8, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
funny coming from a jerfoff that thinks Libya actually stopped its nuclear program. Rightards redefine stupid sownwards.
December 8th, 2007 at 9:26 pm4) Without knowledge of where any of it is: an attack will achieve nothing
5) The NIE is also a powerful indication that diplomacy can and may have already worked
Comment by DigDug — December 8, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
addendum: an attack will achieve the destruction of the United States.
The diplomacy that may have worked came from Europe, not the bedwetting fearmongers of the American Taliban in the White House.
December 8th, 2007 at 9:28 pmthe really freaky trolls come out on Sat. nite i see.
...i'm always up for a sideshow...
have at it, ya wackos
i'll be over here laughing at you with the other grownups.
thanks for the entertainment - you guys fill in for the Colbert Report perfectly.
December 8th, 2007 at 9:33 pmDoth the troll Megatron visit this portal to leave comments that will play well on O'Rielly's Raves of Rightousness?
December 8th, 2007 at 9:47 pmThe following quotes represent some divergent points of view offered by some very intelligent people (with one exception). If you are unable to determine who the unintelligent person is, you are likely among the 66% in the survey.
A considered perusal of the following should provide a means of assessing the current state of State.
"The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves, nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson, 1816
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816
“A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring, it is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.†-- James Madison, 1822
"...There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. ... Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837
For another point of view, please consider:
"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." - Dr. Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945.
"You can fool some of the people all the time, and these are the ones you want to concentrate on" -- George W. Bush, spoken at a Washington Dinner, March 2001
"...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly...it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." -- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister.
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.â€- George W. Bush -May 24, 2005
December 8th, 2007 at 9:51 pmWow! This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
but dumb enough to listen to people like john bolton and sean hannity
December 8th, 2007 at 10:02 pmRe: Comment #146 --
During the December 3, 2007 news conference, George W. Bush stated, in part, "[The report] says Iran had a covert nuclear weapons program. What's to say they couldn't start another covert weapons program?"
Notice that he used the word "had" (which is past tense) not has. So, Bigfoot, are you saying that W is a liar and that most of the United States citizens don't believe him?
December 8th, 2007 at 10:12 pm"Do you have any idea how elitist that sounds like? It’s tantamount to saying “Darn that Middle America. If only they were as sophisticated and well-informed as us east coast liberals, they wouldn’t vote conservativeâ€."
Overcompensator, come to Wisconsin and learn exactly how wrong you are.
December 9th, 2007 at 12:13 am"Do tell. Mainstream America wants to know."
Boy, you really sway with the wind, don't you. You, yourself commented that Bush has a 30% approval rating. Now logic dictates "Mainstream America" does not support Bush. You do. What gives?
December 9th, 2007 at 12:15 ammainstream america has taken out a restraining order that requires you to maintain 500 ft. of leeway, biggie.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:02 amaddendum: an attack will achieve the destruction of the United States.
The diplomacy that may have worked came from Europe, not the bedwetting fearmongers of the American Taliban in the White House.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
It's already starting. Iran will not sell oil in dollars. Pretty soon no oil rich nation will sell to us in dollars. Bush, by his trying to be the "king of the hill" and the biggest bully has done this nation so much harm I'm not sure we will ever recover.
And, please ignore the new trolls flinging their feces on the wall. They are the new breed who have been sent here to post something really outrageous so that Billo and his ilk can point to TP and say "see what these people are saying, they are all traitors". These trolls are transparent to us, but if we give them credence by responding to them, we are falling into their trap.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:35 amWell, the reason for that, #154, is because they don't want nuclear fuel providers to have full control of whether or not Iran receives electricity. Who are their friends in the world? That can produce nuclear fuel? Russia, China, anyone else? If those two countries (who are having or have had issues with Muslim populations in their countries) decide to embargo, Iran loses electricity. They want to have the technology of enrichment so they can control their own electricity generation. Furthermore, they are making a killing by selling oil right now. Perhaps they want to eliminate oil for domestic power generation in order to free up more to sell.
Regardless, of course Iran wants a nuclear weapon. Remember the axis of evil? Why didn't we go after North Korea, despite them being the most hostile to the US and having the greatest WMD threat? Because they have nuclear weapons (and of course, no oil). Iran does want this deterrent. Still, they are negotiable. They've shown that they will delay getting a nuclear weapon if the west is willing to provide them with other benefits.
December 9th, 2007 at 10:14 amWell said # 155. Another nugget of info that usually falls through the cracks at places like Fox News is Iran offered assistance to combat the Taliban when we struck at Osama in Afghanistan, they offered to help the U.S. and we slung excrement in their faces.
December 9th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWow! This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Bet you wouldn't say that to the fifty-three percent (53%) of likely voters who want U.S. combat troops out of Iraq by the end of 2008.*
(*From an article dated 3 days ago at rasmussenreports.com)
December 9th, 2007 at 5:04 pmTranslation: 18% of Americans are too naive to be in charge of themselves or others.
Comment by DreamCrusher — December 9, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Corrected translation: Amerca has become a nation of lazy, fearful slobs who have forgotten the meaning of patriotism and freedom. these same idiots are led by sociopaths, who are in turn supported by traitors. Only 1 in 5 Americans has a ny understanding of the danger posed by the corporatocracy, and that 18% includes not a single rightwinger.
December 9th, 2007 at 8:29 pmSo what percentage want to use military force against Iran?
The most recent poll at Rassmussen was back in March, and 40% favored military action.
December 9th, 2007 at 11:39 pmMakes me lose respect for Americans, or United Statesers as they should be called. I don't believe most polls and this one is especially hard to believe. BTW this thread is hard to read with all the trolls, please do something about that or this site becomes a chore to read, which is exactly what these right wing freaks want. Don't let them!
December 10th, 2007 at 12:21 amWhen you see a poll like this one, remember Frank Luntz.
December 10th, 2007 at 9:46 amPenn and Teller say: "F* you, Frank!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
#10: This is great news, and further evidence, that the American people really are smarter than you “progressives†think they are.
Right, because being “smart†means ignoring the best available evidence and continuing to believe one’s own distorted version of reality. It’s “great news†when the American public believes the Bush administration’s lies and obfuscations.
Comment by Jim — December 8, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
I suppose we should take the latest NIE at face value since we've never received incorrect information from our govt and Iran is such a peace loving nation that never threatens the existence of other nations. No reason for skepticism for the time being. ;)
December 10th, 2007 at 11:20 am66% of Americans also believe the Universe was created by God in seven days, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pm