Suskind: WH Efforts To Pin Full Blame On Rodriguez For Destruction Of Tapes ‘Hard To Believe’
Suskind: WH Efforts To Pin Full Blame On Rodriguez For Destruction Of Tapes ‘Hard To Believe’
Since the New York Times and other media outlets revealed Thursday evening that at least two CIA tapes documenting harsh interrogation of detainees were destroyed in 2005, Bush administration officials have been claiming complete ignorance.
White House counsel Harriet Miers knew of CIA’s plans but told them not to do it:
ABC News has learned that at least one White House official knew about the CIA’s planned destruction of videotapes in 2005 that documented the interrogation of two al Qaeda operatives: then-White House counsel Harriet Miers. Three officials told ABC News Miers urged the CIA not to destroy the tapes.
President Bush didn’t know:
[Bush] has no recollection of being made aware of the tapes or their destruction before yesterday.
Vice President Cheney was in the dark as well:
The vice president learned about the tapes and their destruction at the same time [as Bush], another administration official told CNN.
CIA Director Porter Goss wasn’t informed:
Mr. Goss became C.I.A. director in 2004 and was serving in the post when the tapes were destroyed, but was not informed in advance about Mr. Rodriguez’s decision, the former officials said.
CIA Acting General Counsel John Rizzo also didn’t know:
The chief of the agency’s clandestine service nevertheless ordered their destruction in November 2005, taking the step without notifying even the C.I.A.’s own top lawyer, John A. Rizzo, who was angry at the decision, the officials said.
The full blame for the destruction of the tapes has fallen on Jose Rodriguez, then the CIA’s head of the clandestine division. Rodriguez reportedly undertook the destruction of the tapes in a unilateral manner, without receiving any instructions from his bosses or giving them advance notice of his actions.
Last night on CNN, Ron Suskind — author of the One Percent Doctrine — said the idea that Rodriquez didn’t get “some authorization from above” is “hard to believe.” “It simply doesn’t work that way,” Suskind said, noting that “at this point, lots was being authorized from the White House in terms of the CIA.” Watch it:
UPDATE: Spencer Ackerman wrote that in State of War, the NYT’s James Risen reported “an effort by senior officials ‘to insulate Bush and give him deniability‘ on torture.” Kevin Drum recounts a conversation between George Tenet and President Bush that was reported in the One Percent Doctrine. “You’re not going to let me lose face on this, are you?” “No sir, Mr. President,” Tenet replied.
UPDATE II: Marcy Wheeler documents the responses from Congressional members as to what they knew and when they knew it. She notes the ostensible silence of former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS), who is running for reelection next year.
Transcript:
SUSKIND: Right now, what people are calling for is an investigation as to who knew what when. Now, if this was handled within the CIA, as Mike Hayden has said, well, then there’s somebody in the CIA that acted unilaterally. If that was the case — and I think that would be a surprise — then that person certainly will be drawn in front of the hot lights.
BLITZER: Because they say that this was a decision made by the guy who was in charge of clandestine operations…
SUSKIND: Yes, Jose Rodriguez.
BLITZER: And he made it on his own. But let’s get some context now, because the tape was actually made back in 2002. It was destroyed in 2005. What was going on in 2005 that, for some, might raise some alarm bells?
SUSKIND: Well, it’s the end of the Tenet year. It’s the beginning of the Goss year. Remember, Porter Goss is brought in.
BLITZER: George Tenet was the CIA director. Porter Goss, a former member of Congress.
SUSKIND: That’s right.
BLITZER: Was brought in as the new CIA director.
SUSKIND: And the view, Wolf, was that he would bring the CIA into line, that they were a renegade agency. And mostly the vice president, and the president, said, we want these guys to march to lockstep. That was the period in which these tapes were destroyed.
Now, Goss, I think has said publicly he was outraged by this. But, ultimately, a director of operations at CIA is not going to do something like this — so dramatic — destroying evidence that, clearly, people want — including the 9/11 Commission — without some authorization from above. It simply doesn’t work that way.
BLITZER: So, based on what you know about Washington and these kind of situations, I assume there’s going to be a full scale investigation and people are going to want to drag some of these guys before Congress.
SUSKIND: Well, it’s interesting. You know, the administration, up to this point, might have subverted the intent of certain laws. But they tend to not have crossed the line in terms of an actionable investigation or prosecution. This may be the case in which that line that was crossed. And the question, again, everyone is asking is who authorized this, at what level?
Frankly, at this point, lots was being authorized from the White House in terms of the CIA. And it’s hard to believe that Jose Rodriguez, an upper middle level — I mean he’s a top guy — would have acted unilaterally to destroy evidence that clearly people wanted.
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On whose orders at the top were these tapes destroyed? And, if the “top” didn’t know that obstruction of justice by destroying evidence was occurring, then it’s culpable negligence for Bush & Co.
Either way, whether Bush knew or didn’t know about it, the buck stops at his desk.
I’m beginning to think that either he suffers from alzheimer’s disease or no one is listening to a thing he says in his own administration.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:17 pmThe details and facts were lost in the thousands of missing e-mails NO DOUBT.
FU(K THESE CRIMINAL A$$HOLES, THROW EM IN THE CLINK ALREADY!!!
December 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pmIf Bush & Cheney are not removed from office soon, the patriotic morale of this country is in serious danger; we’re also amping up an international security problem since the Bush administration appears to NOT be on top of anything that’s going on.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pmIt’s time to give Bush and Cheney the boot!
December 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pmComment by Veritas
I’d prefer lead boots and a looooong ride up the East River…
December 8th, 2007 at 2:19 pmno recollection
FOCK YOU!! LIAR.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWow!! destroying tapes, and NOBODY knew.
So they go to the old tried and true method of blaming the “colored guy”
This will not go down well in the intelligence or Hispanic communities.
Who the hell is running this country?
RIP
December 8th, 2007 at 2:22 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Basic Brusch Admin circle-j*rk we’ve come to expect…
“I thought that you told him that we said that they had to check w/ you to tell her to contact us so we could be told that he had okayed it w/ her so…
December 8th, 2007 at 2:22 pmgeez, guys, seein’ as we can’t figger out what happened, I guess nobody did nuthin’ wrong… NEXT!!!”
Pretty soon there will be so many people under the bus its wheels wont touch the ground.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThis sounds like ‘the decider’ didn’t get to decide.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:25 pmIf you are outraged about the WH lies about the CIA tapes, see this short, powerful video by Jim Pence:
http://www.hillbillyreport.com/ blog/ 2007/ 12/ our-government.html
December 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pmNo one knew? No one? Rodriguez acted on his own with no orders?
Bullshit.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIt’s OK, Rodriguez will get the Scooter Libby Republican Justice.
Just take it like a weasel and the Chimp will pardon you.
-GSD
December 8th, 2007 at 2:30 pmIf Miers had been appointed as a Supreme Court Justice after all, this would have been even more interesting than it already is. And does anyone really believe they just destroyed TWO tapes?
December 8th, 2007 at 2:32 pmBefore this over, we’re going to be told that Jose Rodriguez is an illegal alien. A Tancredo wet dream if ever there was one.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmThe president did know about the destruction of the tapes. I spent a quarter of a century trying cases. These included everything from white collar, drug and murder to complex civil litigation. I learned a long time ago that when ever someone is lying - the response will be “I do not recall.” My follow up was always: “Are you testifying that you did not know this (do this, write this ect.) and the answer would always be no. You could then confront with contrary testimony: “So then you are not saying that x’s testimony is incorrect when he/she said that they heard (saw ect) you do this.” Again, they would always answer NO.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI’m beginning to think that either he suffers from alzheimer’s disease or no one is listening to a thing he says in his own administration.
Comment by Veritas
Why is this an “either or”? It could be both. But either way, we are screwed as a country with this man at the helm.
Personally I find it very hard to believe that he didn’t know. You will notice that Barbie Perino parsed her words with “He doesn’t recall”. She did not say “He did not know about it”.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:38 pmI have no doubt whatsoever that Bush has given direct orders that torture be used.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:42 pmSooo… this time Jose Rodriguez is the fall guy.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:49 pmJust guessing, was he hired during the Clinton administration?
Just another bad apple.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:51 pmAnother federal crime commited, and the weak, incompetent, complacent, conivent congress is not doing their job! IMPEACH, INDICT, IVESTIGATE, IMPRISON BUSH AND CHENNEY! HAGE 09! US DOES TORTURE! BUSH & CHNNEY=WAR CRIMINALS!
December 8th, 2007 at 2:51 pmJose Rodrigues, (sound so much like Gonzales…) is going to be pardoned by Bush!
December 8th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThis is nothing but organized crime doing its thing.
All their defenses are lifted straight from the testimony of mob bosses in court, and hold about as much water.
RICO the GOP
and someone, find Frank a mama’s skirt to hide behind so he’ll shut up.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:55 pmI find it odd that this case of plausible deniability occurs so closely behind the case of implausible deniability. It will only take one loyal Bushie to sacrifice himself for the destruction of evidence (followed by a full pardon) but there is no one who can protect the Prez from the fact that he lied to the American people about when he first knew about the NIE. Odd, that.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThe President has told no lies. He does not recall the destruction of the documents and that makes perfect sense - it is often that the Presidents are kept in dark about technical details such as this. Why? Because otherwise they’d become susceptible to partisan witch hunts like this one.
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Good excuses, Frank; if the president knew his lackeys were traitors, he’d be subject to partisan witch hunts? For traitors? Suck that koolaid, little Nazi goosestepper.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:12 pmand they would make it impossible to wage the war against terror.
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
In the meantime, bushco and you have made it impossible to win the war against a noun.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:13 pm“witch hunt” ; “political theater” ; “partisan politicking” ;
none of that means dick coming from the R’s - them dogs don’t hunt no more, Frank - do you not realize the degree to which your boys have discredited themselves???
[can we get some higher quality punching bags around here - these are getting painfully boring to play with]
December 8th, 2007 at 3:17 pmIsn’t this reassuring? Like flying 600 miles per hour at 40,000 feet across the country, only to find everyone in the cockpit fast asleep?
If Bill Clinton had only quietly dispatched the goon squad out to retrieve and destroy the infamous stained blue dress, and then claimed no knowledge of what had occurred, he would conceivably have saved himself much grief.
And surely, Frank M would have been there, front and center, defending his actions.
What say you Frank? And please be frank with us.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThe President has told no lies. He does not recall the destruction of the documents and that makes perfect sense - it is often that the Presidents are kept in dark about technical details such as this. Why? Because otherwise they’d become susceptible to partisan witch hunts like this one.
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
You are such a tool it’s not even amusing any more. You should just retire and let one of us post for you, because your responses are so knee-jerk predictable.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pmComment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
billy o’reilly (fox news “journalist”) says you’re a satan worshipper for being here. what say you?
take your time, think this one through.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pm#30: Sure. Clinton was never worthy of the presidency. I would have welcomed anything that would have resulted in him leaving the office. It’s naive of you to think that I would even consider a republican and a democrat president (not to mention a degenerate like Clinton) equals.
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Of course not. You’re such a predictable, mindless tool that no one would expect you to understand how much better Clinton was as a president than GWB could ever aspire to be. They’re not even in the same league.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:30 pmFrank M is the kind of criminal thug that must be dealt with in order to return this country to its appropriate place in the world.
1. Frank supports international war crimes. The use of torture is indeed outlawed by international treaty to which the United States is a party. The forms of “aggressive” questioning approved by the administration have been prosecuted as crimes when used by state or federal law enforcement personnel, our own military members or military members of US enemies.
2. Frank believes that it is all right for the President or his minions to determine whether evidence requested in a criminal case should be destroyed.
3. Frank believes that only he and his conservative friends know what is best for the United States. The constitution, the bill of rights, international law and the very foundations of our democracy are wrong.
4. Frank asserts that torture was necessary. It was not and never has been. Torture does not provide more accurate information than other forms of interrogation. Indeed, subjects are likely to provide misinformation in order to appease their interrogators.
5. Frank is like most who like torture. They do not want it used better the nation. They want it used to punish the enemy. Indeed, Frank has serious sexuality problems. He knows that he is, if not literally impotent, not much of a man. Talking tough and supporting terror makes him feel more than the effeminate coward that he is.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
looking for degenerates frank? check out the republican party!
Fmr. Aide to Republican Chair for Orange Co. CA Pleads Guilty To Molesting Young Boys
(ya know this guy frank?)
December 8th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#33: As I said yesterday, O’Reilly is a sick pervert and Hannity is a fool for giving publicity to this incident.
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
careful frank, fox security might show up at your door.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pmRe: Comment #31 — Frank M — Your answer “sure” would suggest that you would defend Clinton’s having the blue dress destroyed and then claiming no knowledge of it. It would appear that you would defend such actions.
Perhaps you could explain how doing this would have increased the odds of his leaving office? And remember, if Clinton had left office, Gore would have been running as an incumbent in 2000, quite likely resulting in an outcome that even the Supreme Court could not have overturned later that year.
Or is it a simple matter of black and white thinking — Clinton: Bad, George W. Bush: Good?
December 8th, 2007 at 3:34 pmOr your heroes Hitler and Pinochet, right Frankie?
-GSD
December 8th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThere is little to be gained with arguing with Frank. He believes if the Republican President does it, it is not illegal.
Period.
-GSD
December 8th, 2007 at 3:39 pm“I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” unless Cheney tells me to do otherwise.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#18: Quite possibly. Too bad he has to play it like this because liberals’ feelings might be hurt if he admitted openly that he did what he had to do to protect us, and they would make it impossible to wage the war against terror.
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Frank, Hitler rationalized the concentration camps and then death camps in which 6 million Jews died because he blamed THEM for both WWI and then WWII. Bush and his minions operate with the same mindset. Sorry…I personally will NEVER support someone who believes torture is ok. Bush’s “war on terror” is truly a war OF terror. If he truly cared about the safety and security of the American population, the DHS wouldn’t have wasted billions of dollars; multi-billions wouldn’t have been spent fighting in a country that NEVER attacked us, hardening our nuclear power plants and other infracture and protecting the economy. Instead, he’s destroyed our safety and security, our economy and the U.S. Constitution.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:44 pmConservative Political Correctness.
It’s not torture, it is enhanced interrogation techniques.
-GSD
December 8th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSince we aren’t using torture methods, only intense interrogation practices, we’d better use the methods we have in order to save American lives.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
If we weren’t using torture, there would be no reason to destroy the files, would there?
You don’t even begin to make sense, Bigfoot.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:48 pmshoot… this is nuthin’…
i just read an email from my righty bro-in-law… on oldie fro 2000 making the rounds again it seems:
“This is a statement that was read over the PA system at the football game…”
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/mcloud.asp
and with michael nudow’s case going to the supreme court,
there will be ample ammunition for the righties to distract with…
(i am being so facetious…)
December 8th, 2007 at 3:51 pm…
The information contained in these Destroyed tapes goes beyond the issue of Illegal torture. From Gerald Posner’s article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ gerald-posner/ the-cias-destroyed-inter_b_75850.html
In a short monologue, that one investigator told me was the “Rosetta Stone” of 9/11, Zubaydah laid out details of how he and the al Qaeda hierarchy had been supported at high levels inside the Saudi and Pakistan governments.
He named two other Saudi princes, and also the chief of Pakistan’s air force, as his major contacts. Moreover, he stunned his interrogators, by charging that two of the men, the King’s nephew, and the Pakistani Air Force chief, knew a major terror operation was planned for America on 9/11.
The 911 commision was not given access to these tapes, despite requesting all interogation tapes and material.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:52 pmFrank M should be ignored. When the present regime falls, he should simply be picked up and executed.
December 8th, 2007 at 3:54 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
biggie, i never thought you’d be a devil worshipper.
(jesus is crying biggie and it’s your fault)
December 8th, 2007 at 3:54 pmFrank M should be ignored. When the present regime falls, he should simply be picked up and executed.
Comment by JMOHR — December 8, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
no! he’s a funny guy and an american (not a very good american but an american). we’re trying to change the present regime so no one gets picked up and executed. as john mellencamp sang “ain’t that america?”
December 8th, 2007 at 3:58 pmConsidering all that we know about Bush, it is difficult to believe that he had no knowledge of the torture tapes. In all likelihood, he gleefully watched the tapes repeatedly. It fits his psychological profile.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI’m a fascist and proud of it.
Comment by Frank M — December 8, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
biggie are you a fascist too?
December 8th, 2007 at 4:02 pmConsidering all that we know about Bush, it is difficult to believe that he had no knowledge of the torture tapes. In all likelihood, he gleefully watched the tapes repeatedly. It fits his psychological profile.
Comment by Kane — December 8, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
yeah. guys like dubya get hooked on that kind of porno and look out!
(must drive laura batty. biggie are you into that kind of stuff?)
December 8th, 2007 at 4:04 pmSadists need not worship Satan, or any other deity. Cruelty is their God. We should thank today’s trolls for their honesty. They have shown, by their own words, that they are beyond redemption and worse than what we thought.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:10 pmThey have shown, by their own words, that they are beyond redemption and worse than what we thought.
Comment by pete
Very indicative of the true colors of the GOP.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:13 pmJMOHR - better to let them live out their days gnawing the bitter bones of their ancient, ingrown hatreds while the rest of us “Move On” into the future as best we can.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:17 pmSadists also need to destroy non-sadists. When they look at themselves, as a reflection of what is good and noble, they can not stand the truth. What truth? The truth that they are deficient and malformed. They then strike out at what they hate.
This, of course, works to the advantage of those who seek peace. Thank our pathetic trolls. Without them we have a difficult case to prove. With them, all we need to do is let them talk.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:23 pmomg - talk about paranoia run rampant and writ large.
by bigfoot’s extraordinary calculus, out of the 300 million citizens of this country, only dick, dubbie, and 3 or 4 others can ever be trusted (because they say so), and the rest are all likely terrorists.
lonesome world you, dick, and the cheerleader prince have mapped out for yourselves, biggie.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:36 pmTherefore, information that is no longer needed, better be destroyed than fall into the wrong hands.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Are you saying the 911 commision are the wrong hands???
December 8th, 2007 at 4:37 pmyour beyond McCarthy’s wildest dreams biggie.
a true, cold war hero (as if that counts for anything)
December 8th, 2007 at 4:37 pm64 - s/b “you’re” - don’t want anyone confusing my grammatical skills for those of a common righty.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
I thought I heard the ching-ching-ching-a- ling of Jingle Ballsâ„¢ around here!
December 8th, 2007 at 4:39 pmbetter be destroyed than fall into the wrong hands.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
By “wrong hands” I assume you’re referring to “Federal prosecutors who believe in following the law”, as opposed to “right-wing ideological thugs who have no problem breaking the law whenever they feel like it”.
Ching-ching-a-ling… such a merry sound.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:44 pmJingle Ballsâ„¢ around here!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Are those the holiday version of Neuticlesâ„¢?
December 8th, 2007 at 4:52 pmkeep believing then biggie - you wouldn’t be comfortable with actual reality at all.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:53 pmFingers will point in many directions, but, ultimately, it must have been Clinton’s fault!
December 8th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI have no doubt there are many on this very blog who would gladly turn over classified information to our enemies if it meant harming our current Presidential Administration, or U.S. interests, in the middle east.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
I guess they’re just followin’ the Dumbya’s lead.
See Yellow Cake, Valerie Plame, or Shrub’s leaking of the “wiretapping” practice IDIOT.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWe have been repeated attacked by religious fascists, who wrap their true goals in a fictitious cloak of Islamic “peace†on their terms, and their terms only. And some fall for it hook, line and sinker, ignoring all evidence to the contrary. In reality, militant Islam’s goals are for all the world to either accept and embrace their militant stand, or die.
If the United States ends up being the only steadfast nation left to stand in the way of militant Islam’s goals, then I am greatful that I was fortunate enough to have been born a U.S. citizen.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
You’re completely delusional, Bigfoot, if you believe that militant Muslims are coming to take you away, ha ha. The Caliphate that you tremble in fear of is some neocon’s twisted fantasy.
December 8th, 2007 at 4:58 pmu must live in a cabin in the woods then bud.
get your head out the sand
and turn that damned AM radio off
December 8th, 2007 at 4:59 pmI have no doubt there are many on this very blog who would gladly turn over classified information to our enemies if it meant harming our current Presidential Administration, or U.S. interests, in the middle east.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
As I said, you’re delusional. Completely and utterly delusional.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:00 pmDon’t worry, tombaker. I know what “actual reality†is, and believe me, there is very little of it on this blog.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
You’re certainly doing your best to make that come true.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThe twisted mind of a sadist can not accept the reality of kindness. Instead, a sadist must project a facsimile of his own immoral view on any who reject his sick philosophy.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:09 pmSo, according to you, then, the United States has never been attacked by muslim terrorists who proudly trumpet their goals for all to hear?
I guess that puts you squarely in the camp of the 9/11 deniers, then.
Which also identifiies you as completely insane.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
That’s a typical mindless response, Bigfoot. I said nothing of the kind. Yes, a small group of militants attacked several buildings in the US. One of the buildings had been targeted before. Your problem is that you conflate this small group of militants with a worldwide movement right out of the 8th Century, as though Arab warriors were going to sweep across the desert and impose the Caliphate on the rest of the planet.
That’s where your delusions make themselves known, Bigfoots. You buy into the bullsh!t “War on Terror” and then consider others insane because they can see that it’s nothing of the kind.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:11 pmFace it, “progressivesâ€:
The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism.
All of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
You’ve snapped completely. Go back to cowering under your bed while the grownups focus on running the planet.
“Wise and definitive” my ass.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWhat I don’t understand is why Jose Rodriguez would go along with destroying these tapes. One would hope that he was smart enough to keep copies of e-mail and such on this. On the other hand, he may have just been another Brownie that was in way over his head and not smart enough to cover his back side.
But one thing is clear, if Harriet Meirs was involved it goes all of the way to the top.
December 8th, 2007 at 5:41 pmThe only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
So maybe we should forgo any election and keep our savior in place. What says you O Bigfoot?
December 8th, 2007 at 6:20 pmHey Bigfoot,
You smell of desperation. Every post you write, wreaks of that stench.
gummich has it right about you. Your posts are “mindless” and you are “delusional.” You have “snapped” as gummich says.
Seek help delusional Bigfoot, before you do some damage to yourself or others.
December 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmAll of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
So….uhh…what did Iraq have to do with the “War on Terror” again?
December 8th, 2007 at 10:12 pmAnd the invasion of Iraq; was that a “wise and definitive action”?
December 8th, 2007 at 10:13 pmAnd you call dissent “treason”? Sorry, but that talking point lost its credibility a long time ago. What country are you living in?
December 8th, 2007 at 10:15 pmAll of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Seriously, Bigfoot, I don’t get it. How the hell can you call yourself an American?
December 8th, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism.
BwaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaaa
Right. And the thing standing between you and the insane asylum is your anonimity here on the board.
December 8th, 2007 at 10:23 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Seriously, Bigfoot, I don’t get it. How the hell can you call yourself an American?
Comment by bob lahblah — December 8, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Trolls are American. Aren’t they? Hmmmm…..
December 8th, 2007 at 10:25 pmTrolls are American. Aren’t they? Hmmmm…..
Comment by Merlin — December 8, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
Well, sure. Just because you’re a jackass it doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to live in this country. Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free…and well, all right—go ahead and give us your jackasses too.
December 8th, 2007 at 10:41 pmWho could have seen that this rogue CIA paper pusher would, without any directive from above, take it upon himself to destroy the “only tapes of the only two interrogations taped?”
Who could have foreseen that Arab militants would fly planes into the World Trade Centers on September 11th?
Who could have forseeen that the levees in New Orleans would buckle in a Class 4 hurricane?
Says Bush: “If I got the memos, I can’t recall.”
Who could have foreseen that Bush would preside over a policy of document destruction to hide all of the misconduct (crimes) that his criminal neglect (or outright, aggressive nastiness) has perpetrated?
Just about every thinkiing being on the planet . . . whether they support him or not.
Really, to answer these questions is not a matter of foresight, but of hindsight . . . just look at this perp’s past.
December 8th, 2007 at 10:44 pmDick Cheney is a myth in his in his own mind. Dick Cheney & George Bush do not seem to understand the legal term perjury.
Congree has had eleven months to impeach both of them. There is only one problem if you indicted Cheney and Bush for perjury and fraud you would have to indict 90% of the members of the US congress along with them.
Our government is undenably a culture of corruption from top to bottom. The Bush family and the Clintons have single handily done more in the past 15 years to destroy this country than any force external or internal in the past 100 years.
My ninety year old father who wa a congresional page over seventy years ago said no force of arms would destroy this country. It would be destroyed from within by corruption and greed.
The sad part is he is right. You are withnessing the decline and fall of the Roman Empire the 21st century version.
We did not last as long as Rome. They made well over 500 years. We won’t even come close. We are done morally and financially. Our politicans have brought down this country while ever adult in this country sat back and watched and did nothing. They manged to do it in twenty years. I would say that is a real feat.
Hillary Clinton what a total fraud and a bad joke joke. Rudy and Mitt what total and utter frauds. All of them bought and paid for by corrupt and unethical special interest.
Congress either takes action and removes Cheney & Bush or we rise up under force of arms and take back our country. There are 26 states with succession petitions in front their legislatures. The guns need to come out and it needs to the people of this country they fear in Washington not Al Quada.
That is one of the reasons that Hillary wants us all disarmed and the federal government has plans already in place to go house to house with troops under arms to disarm us. Think about that real hard. Things are not as they seem.
December 9th, 2007 at 12:14 amWhy? Because otherwise they’d become susceptible to partisan witch hunts like this one.
Comment by Frank M
Hey Francine. How about we give you a nickel for every time you claim something is a “partisan witch hunt”. Also, why have you not answered my question about, did you complain about “partisan witch hunts” when Ken Starr was investigating everything Bill Clinton did in the last 50 years?
But, I don’t expect you to answer my question. That’s why you are still Francine instead of Frank. You don’t have the balls to answer questions that people put forth. You are such a pussy.
December 9th, 2007 at 12:46 amOf course not. I do believe in the supremacy of the United States as the greatest and best hope for the freedom of mankind.
This is something I have been thinking for a long time. Want to bet that OBigFootInMouth is a White Supremest? He sure fits the profile. I suggest that we all stop talking to FootInMouth and Francine and just start flagging them for abuse. Neither of them contribute anything to the discourse on this site.
December 9th, 2007 at 12:56 amAmericans deserve an answer to the Bush/Cheney “let them eat cake” policy. Just as the French celebrate Bastille Day, America should demand the heads of these fascists. (Defined by Wikipedia: Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology . . . that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state. [read: “can’t recall based on national security interests . . .”, “state secret,” “executive privilege,” “if the public knew the truth, all hell would break loose, the public would die.” i.e., “You can’t handle the truth.])
The answer is not for every American to buy a gun and take up arms, it is for every American to demand accountability. That includes you, Nancy Pelosi. If you are not with us, you are against us. Start impeachment proceedings now! They are long overdue . . . otherwise, you have overstayed your welcome and when the White House is stormed . . . you will, not may, be among its first casualties.
December 9th, 2007 at 2:32 amAnyone surprised? I’m not…once again, Bush and Co. is doing their best to set one of the little people up as a scapegoat upon whom they will place full responsibility for the scandal, from whom they will try to disassociate themselves as thoroughly as they possibly can, and whom they will throw to the media and to the American people as a “hush puppy” in an attempt to pacify us and placate us and thereby protect any higher-ups who were probably involved. We’ve seen this at least twice before already — with Lynndie England and Charles Graner with regard to the Abu Ghraib scandal and with Lewis “Scooter” Libby with regard to the Plame Affair — and I strongly suspect that the primary if not sole reason why Bush commuted Libby’s prison sentence is because he’s one of the founding members of PNAC (Project for a New American Century) alongside many other Bush administration officials past and present, and so is quite possibly possessed of enough information on some of these people to the point that he could blow the lid off the administration if he chose to do so.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:29 amYeah Bluestocking, pinto bean that he may be . . . upon his departure, he will receive the Medal of Honor.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:58 amI’m busy, but it would be an interesting exercise to investigate the histories of the children of the recently departed. Into whose graces dis those children fall: colleges, scholarships, other funding; venture capital firms; hedge funds; defense contractors; energy firms; lobbying firms etc.
Damn, for those of us just trying to pay the mortgage, health, life and auto insurance . . . life is sweet.
Hear Brittany Spears pulls in $760k+/month, is on probation for DUI, drinks like a fish, is a habitual drug user, has run over two people’s feet is two days, drives a $120K car, steals from fashion shoots and 7-11’s . . . damn . . . what does cost to get into the club of 1%’ers.
Bush’s daughters are in . . . dui’s out the ass . . . dub’ya himself . . . at least two . . . Cheney . . . three . . . (plus shot a guy in the face while drinking) . . .Laura . . . dead boyfriend as a result of jealous road rage . . . . and that’s just what’s on the record. When you get into Viet Nam deferrments, coke usage is Dallas, illegitimate children and the whole gammut . . . Hell, we dems are candidates for sainthood.
Still . . . I want in that club. . . perpetual immunity . . . gotta love it.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:13 amThis is a little off the topic but what else do you expect from an administration who has to go through 4 press secretaries before finally finding one who is so dumb she doesn’t know what the Cuban Missile Crisis is?
Dana Perino “Whats the Cuban Missile Crisis?”
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