Comments on: Suskind: WH Efforts To Pin Full Blame On Rodriguez For Destruction Of Tapes ‘Hard To Believe’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:57:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: PaulD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-3/#comment-4184671 PaulD Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:27:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4184671 This is a little off the topic but what else do you expect from an administration who has to go through 4 press secretaries before finally finding one who is so dumb she doesn't know what the Cuban Missile Crisis is? Dana Perino "Whats the Cuban Missile Crisis?" http://test.redlasso.com/service/svc/clip/playClip?fid=5fceaa0d-d145-4d6c-a3f1-950beac5f6a0 This is a little off the topic but what else do you expect from an administration who has to go through 4 press secretaries before finally finding one who is so dumb she doesn’t know what the Cuban Missile Crisis is?

Dana Perino “Whats the Cuban Missile Crisis?”
http://test.redlasso.com/service/svc/clip/playClip?fid=5fceaa0d-d145-4d6c-a3f1-950beac5f6a0

]]> By: rockyroad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-3/#comment-4183359 rockyroad Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:13:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183359 I'm busy, but it would be an interesting exercise to investigate the histories of the children of the recently departed. Into whose graces dis those children fall: colleges, scholarships, other funding; venture capital firms; hedge funds; defense contractors; energy firms; lobbying firms etc. Damn, for those of us just trying to pay the mortgage, health, life and auto insurance . . . life is sweet. Hear Brittany Spears pulls in $760k+/month, is on probation for DUI, drinks like a fish, is a habitual drug user, has run over two people's feet is two days, drives a $120K car, steals from fashion shoots and 7-11's . . . damn . . . what does cost to get into the club of 1%'ers. Bush's daughters are in . . . dui's out the ass . . . dub'ya himself . . . at least two . . . Cheney . . . three . . . (plus shot a guy in the face while drinking) . . .Laura . . . dead boyfriend as a result of jealous road rage . . . . and that's just what's on the record. When you get into Viet Nam deferrments, coke usage is Dallas, illegitimate children and the whole gammut . . . Hell, we dems are candidates for sainthood. Still . . . I want in that club. . . perpetual immunity . . . gotta love it. I’m busy, but it would be an interesting exercise to investigate the histories of the children of the recently departed. Into whose graces dis those children fall: colleges, scholarships, other funding; venture capital firms; hedge funds; defense contractors; energy firms; lobbying firms etc.

Damn, for those of us just trying to pay the mortgage, health, life and auto insurance . . . life is sweet.

Hear Brittany Spears pulls in $760k+/month, is on probation for DUI, drinks like a fish, is a habitual drug user, has run over two people’s feet is two days, drives a $120K car, steals from fashion shoots and 7-11’s . . . damn . . . what does cost to get into the club of 1%’ers.

Bush’s daughters are in . . . dui’s out the ass . . . dub’ya himself . . . at least two . . . Cheney . . . three . . . (plus shot a guy in the face while drinking) . . .Laura . . . dead boyfriend as a result of jealous road rage . . . . and that’s just what’s on the record. When you get into Viet Nam deferrments, coke usage is Dallas, illegitimate children and the whole gammut . . . Hell, we dems are candidates for sainthood.

Still . . . I want in that club. . . perpetual immunity . . . gotta love it.

]]> By: rockyroad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-3/#comment-4183358 rockyroad Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:58:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183358 Yeah Bluestocking, pinto bean that he may be . . . upon his departure, he will receive the Medal of Honor. Yeah Bluestocking, pinto bean that he may be . . . upon his departure, he will receive the Medal of Honor.

]]> By: Bluestocking http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183356 Bluestocking Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:29:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183356 Anyone surprised? I'm not...once again, Bush and Co. is doing their best to set one of the little people up as a scapegoat upon whom they will place full responsibility for the scandal, from whom they will try to disassociate themselves as thoroughly as they possibly can, and whom they will throw to the media and to the American people as a "hush puppy" in an attempt to pacify us and placate us and thereby protect any higher-ups who were probably involved. We've seen this at least twice before already -- with Lynndie England and Charles Graner with regard to the Abu Ghraib scandal and with Lewis "Scooter" Libby with regard to the Plame Affair -- and I strongly suspect that the primary if not sole reason why Bush commuted Libby's prison sentence is because he's one of the founding members of PNAC (Project for a New American Century) alongside many other Bush administration officials past and present, and so is quite possibly possessed of enough information on some of these people to the point that he could blow the lid off the administration if he chose to do so. Anyone surprised? I’m not…once again, Bush and Co. is doing their best to set one of the little people up as a scapegoat upon whom they will place full responsibility for the scandal, from whom they will try to disassociate themselves as thoroughly as they possibly can, and whom they will throw to the media and to the American people as a “hush puppy” in an attempt to pacify us and placate us and thereby protect any higher-ups who were probably involved. We’ve seen this at least twice before already — with Lynndie England and Charles Graner with regard to the Abu Ghraib scandal and with Lewis “Scooter” Libby with regard to the Plame Affair — and I strongly suspect that the primary if not sole reason why Bush commuted Libby’s prison sentence is because he’s one of the founding members of PNAC (Project for a New American Century) alongside many other Bush administration officials past and present, and so is quite possibly possessed of enough information on some of these people to the point that he could blow the lid off the administration if he chose to do so.

]]> By: rockyroad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183324 rockyroad Sun, 09 Dec 2007 07:32:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183324 Americans deserve an answer to the Bush/Cheney "let them eat cake" policy. Just as the French celebrate Bastille Day, America should demand the heads of these fascists. (Defined by Wikipedia: Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology . . . that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state. [read: "can't recall based on national security interests . . .", "state secret," "executive privilege," "if the public knew the truth, all hell would break loose, the public would die." i.e., "You can't handle the truth.]) The answer is not for every American to buy a gun and take up arms, it is for every American to demand accountability. That includes you, Nancy Pelosi. If you are not with us, you are against us. Start impeachment proceedings now! They are long overdue . . . otherwise, you have overstayed your welcome and when the White House is stormed . . . you will, not may, be among its first casualties. Americans deserve an answer to the Bush/Cheney “let them eat cake” policy. Just as the French celebrate Bastille Day, America should demand the heads of these fascists. (Defined by Wikipedia: Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology . . . that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state. [read: "can't recall based on national security interests . . .", "state secret," "executive privilege," "if the public knew the truth, all hell would break loose, the public would die." i.e., "You can't handle the truth.])

The answer is not for every American to buy a gun and take up arms, it is for every American to demand accountability. That includes you, Nancy Pelosi. If you are not with us, you are against us. Start impeachment proceedings now! They are long overdue . . . otherwise, you have overstayed your welcome and when the White House is stormed . . . you will, not may, be among its first casualties.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183266 bilbobaggins Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:56:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183266 <em>Of course not. I do believe in the supremacy of the United States as the greatest and best hope for the freedom of mankind. </em> This is something I have been thinking for a long time. Want to bet that OBigFootInMouth is a White Supremest? He sure fits the profile. I suggest that we all stop talking to FootInMouth and Francine and just start flagging them for abuse. Neither of them contribute anything to the discourse on this site. Of course not. I do believe in the supremacy of the United States as the greatest and best hope for the freedom of mankind.

This is something I have been thinking for a long time. Want to bet that OBigFootInMouth is a White Supremest? He sure fits the profile. I suggest that we all stop talking to FootInMouth and Francine and just start flagging them for abuse. Neither of them contribute anything to the discourse on this site.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183262 bilbobaggins Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:46:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183262 <em>Why? Because otherwise they’d become susceptible to partisan witch hunts like this one. Comment by Frank M </em> Hey Francine. How about we give you a nickel for every time you claim something is a "partisan witch hunt". Also, why have you not answered my question about, did you complain about "partisan witch hunts" when Ken Starr was investigating everything Bill Clinton did in the last 50 years? But, I don't expect you to answer my question. That's why you are still Francine instead of Frank. You don't have the balls to answer questions that people put forth. You are such a pussy. Why? Because otherwise they’d become susceptible to partisan witch hunts like this one.
Comment by Frank M

Hey Francine. How about we give you a nickel for every time you claim something is a “partisan witch hunt”. Also, why have you not answered my question about, did you complain about “partisan witch hunts” when Ken Starr was investigating everything Bill Clinton did in the last 50 years?

But, I don’t expect you to answer my question. That’s why you are still Francine instead of Frank. You don’t have the balls to answer questions that people put forth. You are such a pussy.

]]> By: rodreifus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183239 rodreifus Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:14:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183239 Dick Cheney is a myth in his in his own mind. Dick Cheney & George Bush do not seem to understand the legal term perjury. Congree has had eleven months to impeach both of them. There is only one problem if you indicted Cheney and Bush for perjury and fraud you would have to indict 90% of the members of the US congress along with them. Our government is undenably a culture of corruption from top to bottom. The Bush family and the Clintons have single handily done more in the past 15 years to destroy this country than any force external or internal in the past 100 years. My ninety year old father who wa a congresional page over seventy years ago said no force of arms would destroy this country. It would be destroyed from within by corruption and greed. The sad part is he is right. You are withnessing the decline and fall of the Roman Empire the 21st century version. We did not last as long as Rome. They made well over 500 years. We won't even come close. We are done morally and financially. Our politicans have brought down this country while ever adult in this country sat back and watched and did nothing. They manged to do it in twenty years. I would say that is a real feat. Hillary Clinton what a total fraud and a bad joke joke. Rudy and Mitt what total and utter frauds. All of them bought and paid for by corrupt and unethical special interest. Congress either takes action and removes Cheney & Bush or we rise up under force of arms and take back our country. There are 26 states with succession petitions in front their legislatures. The guns need to come out and it needs to the people of this country they fear in Washington not Al Quada. That is one of the reasons that Hillary wants us all disarmed and the federal government has plans already in place to go house to house with troops under arms to disarm us. Think about that real hard. Things are not as they seem. Dick Cheney is a myth in his in his own mind. Dick Cheney & George Bush do not seem to understand the legal term perjury.

Congree has had eleven months to impeach both of them. There is only one problem if you indicted Cheney and Bush for perjury and fraud you would have to indict 90% of the members of the US congress along with them.

Our government is undenably a culture of corruption from top to bottom. The Bush family and the Clintons have single handily done more in the past 15 years to destroy this country than any force external or internal in the past 100 years.

My ninety year old father who wa a congresional page over seventy years ago said no force of arms would destroy this country. It would be destroyed from within by corruption and greed.

The sad part is he is right. You are withnessing the decline and fall of the Roman Empire the 21st century version.

We did not last as long as Rome. They made well over 500 years. We won’t even come close. We are done morally and financially. Our politicans have brought down this country while ever adult in this country sat back and watched and did nothing. They manged to do it in twenty years. I would say that is a real feat.

Hillary Clinton what a total fraud and a bad joke joke. Rudy and Mitt what total and utter frauds. All of them bought and paid for by corrupt and unethical special interest.

Congress either takes action and removes Cheney & Bush or we rise up under force of arms and take back our country. There are 26 states with succession petitions in front their legislatures. The guns need to come out and it needs to the people of this country they fear in Washington not Al Quada.

That is one of the reasons that Hillary wants us all disarmed and the federal government has plans already in place to go house to house with troops under arms to disarm us. Think about that real hard. Things are not as they seem.

]]> By: rockyroad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183191 rockyroad Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:44:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183191 Who could have seen that this rogue CIA paper pusher would, without any directive from above, take it upon himself to destroy the "only tapes of the only two interrogations taped?" Who could have foreseen that Arab militants would fly planes into the World Trade Centers on September 11th? Who could have forseeen that the levees in New Orleans would buckle in a Class 4 hurricane? Says Bush: "If I got the memos, I can't recall." Who could have foreseen that Bush would preside over a policy of document destruction to hide all of the misconduct (crimes) that his criminal neglect (or outright, aggressive nastiness) has perpetrated? Just about every thinkiing being on the planet . . . whether they support him or not. Really, to answer these questions is not a matter of foresight, but of hindsight . . . just look at this perp's past. Who could have seen that this rogue CIA paper pusher would, without any directive from above, take it upon himself to destroy the “only tapes of the only two interrogations taped?”

Who could have foreseen that Arab militants would fly planes into the World Trade Centers on September 11th?

Who could have forseeen that the levees in New Orleans would buckle in a Class 4 hurricane?

Says Bush: “If I got the memos, I can’t recall.”

Who could have foreseen that Bush would preside over a policy of document destruction to hide all of the misconduct (crimes) that his criminal neglect (or outright, aggressive nastiness) has perpetrated?

Just about every thinkiing being on the planet . . . whether they support him or not.

Really, to answer these questions is not a matter of foresight, but of hindsight . . . just look at this perp’s past.

]]> By: bob lahblah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183188 bob lahblah Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:41:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183188 Trolls are American. Aren’t they? Hmmmm….. Comment by Merlin — December 8, 2007 @ 10:25 pm Well, sure. Just because you're a jackass it doesn't mean you don't have the right to live in this country. Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free...and well, all right---go ahead and give us your jackasses too. Trolls are American. Aren’t they? Hmmmm…..

Comment by Merlin — December 8, 2007 @ 10:25 pm

Well, sure. Just because you’re a jackass it doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to live in this country. Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free…and well, all right—go ahead and give us your jackasses too.

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183185 Merlin Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:25:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183185 <em>Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm Seriously, Bigfoot, I don’t get it. How the hell can you call yourself an American? Comment by bob lahblah — December 8, 2007 @ 10:22 pm</em> Trolls are American. Aren't they? Hmmmm..... Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

Seriously, Bigfoot, I don’t get it. How the hell can you call yourself an American?

Comment by bob lahblah — December 8, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

Trolls are American. Aren’t they? Hmmmm…..

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183184 Merlin Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:23:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183184 Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm <em>The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism.</em> BwaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaaa Right. And the thing standing between you and the insane asylum is your anonimity here on the board. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism.

BwaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaaa

Right. And the thing standing between you and the insane asylum is your anonimity here on the board.

]]> By: bob lahblah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183183 bob lahblah Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:22:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183183 All of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm Seriously, Bigfoot, I don't get it. How the hell can you call yourself an American? All of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

Seriously, Bigfoot, I don’t get it. How the hell can you call yourself an American?

]]> By: bob lahblah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183177 bob lahblah Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:15:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183177 And you call dissent "treason"? Sorry, but that talking point lost its credibility a long time ago. What country are you living in? And you call dissent “treason”? Sorry, but that talking point lost its credibility a long time ago. What country are you living in?

]]> By: bob lahblah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183174 bob lahblah Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:13:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183174 And the invasion of Iraq; was that a "wise and definitive action"? And the invasion of Iraq; was that a “wise and definitive action”?

]]> By: bob lahblah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183171 bob lahblah Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:12:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183171 All of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm So....uhh...what did Iraq have to do with the "War on Terror" again? All of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

So….uhh…what did Iraq have to do with the “War on Terror” again?

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4183095 Merlin Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:37:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4183095 Hey Bigfoot, You smell of desperation. Every post you write, wreaks of that stench. gummich has it right about you. Your posts are "mindless" and you are "delusional." You have "snapped" as gummich says. Seek help delusional Bigfoot, before you do some damage to yourself or others. Hey Bigfoot,
You smell of desperation. Every post you write, wreaks of that stench.

gummich has it right about you. Your posts are “mindless” and you are “delusional.” You have “snapped” as gummich says.

Seek help delusional Bigfoot, before you do some damage to yourself or others.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4182970 dbadass Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:20:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4182970 The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm So maybe we should forgo any election and keep our savior in place. What says you O Bigfoot? The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

So maybe we should forgo any election and keep our savior in place. What says you O Bigfoot?

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4182903 DallasNE Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:41:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4182903 What I don't understand is why Jose Rodriguez would go along with destroying these tapes. One would hope that he was smart enough to keep copies of e-mail and such on this. On the other hand, he may have just been another Brownie that was in way over his head and not smart enough to cover his back side. But one thing is clear, if Harriet Meirs was involved it goes all of the way to the top. What I don’t understand is why Jose Rodriguez would go along with destroying these tapes. One would hope that he was smart enough to keep copies of e-mail and such on this. On the other hand, he may have just been another Brownie that was in way over his head and not smart enough to cover his back side.

But one thing is clear, if Harriet Meirs was involved it goes all of the way to the top.

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/comment-page-2/#comment-4182840 gummitch Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:13:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/08/suskind-tapes-cia/#comment-4182840 <em>Face it, “progressives”: The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism. All of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason. Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm</em> You've snapped completely. Go back to cowering under your bed while the grownups focus on running the planet. "Wise and definitive" my ass. Face it, “progressives”:

The only thing standing between you and Militant Islam’s beheading knife is George W. Bush’s awareness and action in the war on militant Islam’s terrorism.

All of you who constantly denounce President Bush’s wise and definitive actions in the face of our sworn enemy should be daily kissing his *ss and asking for forgiveness for your behaviour, which borders on treason. And for some, crosses the border of treason.

Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 8, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

You’ve snapped completely. Go back to cowering under your bed while the grownups focus on running the planet.

“Wise and definitive” my ass.

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