Comments on: Lawmakers didn’t object to waterboarding in ‘02? http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: curmudgeon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183981 curmudgeon Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:05:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183981 Projection — A defense mechanism, operating unconsciously, in which what is emotionally unacceptable in the self is unconsciously rejected and attributed (projected) to others. Source: www.abess.com Projection — A defense mechanism, operating unconsciously, in which what is emotionally unacceptable in the self is unconsciously rejected and attributed (projected) to others.
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]]> By: curmudgeon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183964 curmudgeon Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:59:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183964 So, the United States, who are supposed to be the good guys use torture, and the other side (including insurgents, identified as anyone with brown skin, regardless of age or gender, who happens to get in the way of any armaments fired by U.S. troops or contractors) does not torture. If the other side was comprised of bad guys, wouldn't the situation be reversed? So, the United States, who are supposed to be the good guys use torture, and the other side (including insurgents, identified as anyone with brown skin, regardless of age or gender, who happens to get in the way of any armaments fired by U.S. troops or contractors) does not torture.

If the other side was comprised of bad guys, wouldn’t the situation be reversed?

]]> By: whippoorwill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183945 whippoorwill Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:32:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183945 dc <blockquote>I don’t dictate questions. I ask them. And you don’t have the spine to respond, except to attack me!!</blockquote> attack you, That's funny. still pathetic! It takes a spine to not be baited by hateful fools like you. And I don't debate hateful fools with no facts like you. period. by now dc

I don’t dictate questions. I ask them.

And you don’t have the spine to respond, except to attack me!!

attack you, That’s funny.
still pathetic! It takes a spine to not be baited by hateful fools like you. And I don’t debate hateful fools with no facts like you. period. by now

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183940 dixie blood Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:16:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183940 Hey Whip Poor Will, I don't dictate questions. I ask them. And you don't have the spine to respond, except to attack me!! You must be very proud of you inabilbity to debate!!! You know, like answer questions, respond to attacks with intelligence, that kind'o sh|t! Hey Whip Poor Will,

I don’t dictate questions. I ask them.

And you don’t have the spine to respond, except to attack me!!

You must be very proud of you inabilbity to debate!!! You know, like answer questions, respond to attacks with intelligence, that kind’o sh|t!

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183938 dixie blood Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:12:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183938 <em>Your out of control and beyond the line of abuse. ...pathetic. Comment by whippoorwill — December 9, 2007 @ 7:59 pm </em> You started it assh0le!! Just step and answer!! Torture? PollLooser? Or Harman? Female with a spine!! No torture!! Why do you have a problem with this simple question? Can't you find your moral center or must you just rant into the heavens?? I've never seen a simple question set someone off like you! I would think that you now need some pills. You know the insult you like to toss around! Take your pills, right? Wow, you are unhinged beyond belief!!! Once again!! Pick one: Torture = PollLooser Or Harman = Human Rights Pick one, just one already!! I've enough of your stepping around this issue. Step and up and make a stand and stop attacking me!!! Make a choice or just STFU!!!! Your out of control and beyond the line of abuse.

…pathetic.

Comment by whippoorwill — December 9, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

You started it assh0le!! Just step and answer!!

Torture? PollLooser?

Or

Harman? Female with a spine!! No torture!!

Why do you have a problem with this simple question?

Can’t you find your moral center or must you just rant into the heavens??

I’ve never seen a simple question set someone off like you! I would think that you now need some pills. You know the insult you like to toss around!

Take your pills, right?

Wow, you are unhinged beyond belief!!!

Once again!!

Pick one:

Torture = PollLooser

Or

Harman = Human Rights

Pick one, just one already!!

I’ve enough of your stepping around this issue. Step and up and make a stand and stop attacking me!!!

Make a choice or just STFU!!!!

]]> By: OleHippieChick http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183936 OleHippieChick Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:10:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183936 <blockquote>This is situation many of our Congresspeople have placed themselves into. Just how are they supporting and defending the Constitution of the U.S.A. WITHOUT mental reservation OR purpose of evasion when they excuse the allowances placed on violating and usurping the Constitution, our Rights, and the law of the land?</blockquote> Indeed. They're cowards. While the WaPo article about this does not make it look good for Pelosi, at the same time, they're citing all sorts of anonymous sources. And WaPo's proven time and again they're word is not gold. I want proof, with a name attached. The whole deal is schizophrenic, though. This is what bu$hler has done to all of us. From the WaPo article: <blockquote>Congressional officials say the groups’ ability to challenge the practices was hampered by strict rules of secrecy that prohibited them from being able to take notes or consult legal experts or members of their own staffs. And while various officials have described the briefings as detailed and graphic, it is unclear precisely what members were told about waterboarding and how it is conducted. Several officials familiar with the briefings also recalled that the meetings were marked by an atmosphere of deep concern about the possibility of an imminent terrorist attack. “In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic,” said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. “But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, ‘We don’t care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.’ ”</blockquote> Also check this fab thread of lawyer talk at <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/09/nancy-pelosi-congressional-leaders-secretly-do-expect-the-spanish-inquisition/#comments" rel="nofollow">Emptywheel</a>.

This is situation many of our Congresspeople have placed themselves into. Just how are they supporting and defending the Constitution of the U.S.A. WITHOUT mental reservation OR purpose of evasion when they excuse the allowances placed on violating and usurping the Constitution, our Rights, and the law of the land?

Indeed. They’re cowards. While the WaPo article about this does not make it look good for Pelosi, at the same time, they’re citing all sorts of anonymous sources. And WaPo’s proven time and again they’re word is not gold. I want proof, with a name attached.

The whole deal is schizophrenic, though. This is what bu$hler has done to all of us.

From the WaPo article:

Congressional officials say the groups’ ability to challenge the practices was hampered by strict rules of secrecy that prohibited them from being able to take notes or consult legal experts or members of their own staffs. And while various officials have described the briefings as detailed and graphic, it is unclear precisely what members were told about waterboarding and how it is conducted. Several officials familiar with the briefings also recalled that the meetings were marked by an atmosphere of deep concern about the possibility of an imminent terrorist attack.

“In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic,” said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. “But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, ‘We don’t care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.’ ”

Also check this fab thread of lawyer talk at Emptywheel.

]]> By: whippoorwill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183930 whippoorwill Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:59:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183930 dc you don't dictate questions to me or anyone else here. You dictate to your own mouse and keyboard only. Your out of control and beyond the line of abuse. And you don't get to misquote other commenters to make your points. pathetic. dc
you don’t dictate questions to me or anyone else here. You dictate to your own mouse and keyboard only. Your out of control and beyond the line of abuse.

And you don’t get to misquote other commenters to make your points.
pathetic.

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183927 dixie blood Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:56:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183927 Whip Poor Will, Nancy = mouth shut and toture happens Jane = protest agains torture Pick one, just one. Show me where your morals are vs. party loyalty!!! Both are DemoRats so just make a MORAL choice!!! Torture or not torture??? Simple , get'er done!!! Whip Poor Will,

Nancy = mouth shut and toture happens
Jane = protest agains torture

Pick one, just one.

Show me where your morals are vs. party loyalty!!! Both are DemoRats so just make a MORAL choice!!!

Torture or not torture???

Simple , get’er done!!!

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183925 dixie blood Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:44:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183925 <em>“Bottom Line”Give it a rest Dixiecrat! direct your venom somewhere else. Comment by whippoorwill — December 9, 2007 @ 7:19 pm </em> No, never!! Phu(ck you!!! DemoRAT TROLL!!!! Why don't you answer my questions or just SFTU??? Jane Harman? Or PollLooser? Pick one assh0le!! Just do it buttwipe!!! “Bottom Line”Give it a rest Dixiecrat! direct your venom somewhere else.

Comment by whippoorwill — December 9, 2007 @ 7:19 pm

No, never!! Phu(ck you!!! DemoRAT TROLL!!!!

Why don’t you answer my questions or just SFTU???

Jane Harman?

Or

PollLooser?

Pick one assh0le!!

Just do it buttwipe!!!

]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183924 Max-1 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:44:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183924 <i>Comment by OleHippieChick — December 9, 2007 @ 7:01 pm </i> I can't help but think back to the Civil Rights struggles... MLK and the people in the streets were there NOT because they felt doing so was safe, they did so because it was the right thing to do. Many of whom, laid their lives down doing so. Who does Nancy serve? When did Nancy stop being the Representative from San Fran? See, I don't condone what is going on. And because I don't condone it, I can not accept excuses from them as to why they didn't OR haven't OR won't act a stopping it. It's collusion by process. What else would you call it? It's as if one brother were to go shop lift a few candy bars from the store, come home and share then with the other brother how turns around and tell mom that he gave his brother the money to go buy the candy, not steel it? What if brother #2 only SAID he gave the money. What if brother #2 found out about the crime only AFTER the fact but still insisted he gave him the money first. This is situation many of our Congresspeople have placed themselves into. Just how are they supporting and defending the Constitution of the U.S.A. WITHOUT mental reservation OR purpose of evasion when they excuse the allowances placed on violating and usurping the Constitution, our Rights, and the law of the land? . Comment by OleHippieChick — December 9, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

I can’t help but think back to the Civil Rights struggles…
MLK and the people in the streets were there NOT because they felt doing so was safe, they did so because it was the right thing to do. Many of whom, laid their lives down doing so.

Who does Nancy serve?

When did Nancy stop being the Representative from San Fran?

See, I don’t condone what is going on. And because I don’t condone it, I can not accept excuses from them as to why they didn’t OR haven’t OR won’t act a stopping it. It’s collusion by process. What else would you call it? It’s as if one brother were to go shop lift a few candy bars from the store, come home and share then with the other brother how turns around and tell mom that he gave his brother the money to go buy the candy, not steel it? What if brother #2 only SAID he gave the money. What if brother #2 found out about the crime only AFTER the fact but still insisted he gave him the money first.

This is situation many of our Congresspeople have placed themselves into. Just how are they supporting and defending the Constitution of the U.S.A. WITHOUT mental reservation OR purpose of evasion when they excuse the allowances placed on violating and usurping the Constitution, our Rights, and the law of the land?

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]]> By: OleHippieChick http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183919 OleHippieChick Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:32:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183919 All we got now is wild speculation as to what actually happened. Comment by whippoorwill Exactly. See how easy it is to just run at the mouth? Even my handy paragraph can be ripped apart. Should read, "If I were Pelosi, I would have registered it w/CIA..." "She probably thought it would never come out" is pure speculation. Pelosi may be against torture. She may have spoken out. Point is, we don't know. I want proof. And anyone presenting the smoke-fire argument, please, gaze yonder at Rancid Mcbu$hler. All we got now is wild speculation as to what actually happened.

Comment by whippoorwill

Exactly.

See how easy it is to just run at the mouth?

Even my handy paragraph can be ripped apart. Should read, “If I were Pelosi, I would have registered it w/CIA…”

“She probably thought it would never come out” is pure speculation.

Pelosi may be against torture. She may have spoken out. Point is, we don’t know. I want proof. And anyone presenting the smoke-fire argument, please, gaze yonder at Rancid Mcbu$hler.

]]> By: whippoorwill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183909 whippoorwill Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:19:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183909 "Bottom Line"Give it a rest Dixiecrat! direct your venom somewhere else. “Bottom Line”Give it a rest Dixiecrat! direct your venom somewhere else.

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183907 dixie blood Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:14:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183907 Whip Poor Will, <em>If Pelosi had truly been against torture, she’d have registered it w/CIA like Harman. At the very least, done it as political insurance. She probably thought it would never come out. Sucker. So there it is. Comment by OleHippieChick — December 9, 2007 @ 7:01 pm</em> <b>I'm with OleHippieChick here! Where do you stand? With PollLooser still?</b> Whip Poor Will,

If Pelosi had truly been against torture, she’d have registered it w/CIA like Harman. At the very least, done it as political insurance. She probably thought it would never come out. Sucker. So there it is.

Comment by OleHippieChick — December 9, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

I’m with OleHippieChick here! Where do you stand? With PollLooser still?

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183901 dixie blood Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183901 <em>If Pelosi had truly been against torture, she’d have registered it w/CIA like Harman. At the very least, done it as political insurance. She probably thought it would never come out. Sucker. So there it is. Comment by OleHippieChick — December 9, 2007 @ 7:01 pm </em> <b>Read the above Whip Poor Will and then read it again so that you understand it. PollLooser sucks! Bottom Line!!!</b> If Pelosi had truly been against torture, she’d have registered it w/CIA like Harman. At the very least, done it as political insurance. She probably thought it would never come out. Sucker. So there it is.

Comment by OleHippieChick — December 9, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

Read the above Whip Poor Will and then read it again so that you understand it. PollLooser sucks! Bottom Line!!!

]]> By: OleHippieChick http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183895 OleHippieChick Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:03:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183895 Ah, the words, "Special Prosecutor"!!!! They warm my heart. Ah, the words, “Special Prosecutor”!!!! They warm my heart.

]]> By: OleHippieChick http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183893 OleHippieChick Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:01:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183893 112. Max, you're correct, it's not a reason. But who the hell knows who threatened whom and with what? This is really nasty business. Remember years back when across the blogs people pretty much said, "wait till the end, bu$h'll be like a vicious cornered rat"? Well, it's here. If Pelosi had truly been against torture, she'd have registered it w/CIA like Harman. At the very least, done it as political insurance. She probably thought it would never come out. Sucker. So there it is. 112. Max, you’re correct, it’s not a reason. But who the hell knows who threatened whom and with what? This is really nasty business.

Remember years back when across the blogs people pretty much said, “wait till the end, bu$h’ll be like a vicious cornered rat”? Well, it’s here.

If Pelosi had truly been against torture, she’d have registered it w/CIA like Harman. At the very least, done it as political insurance. She probably thought it would never come out. Sucker. So there it is.

]]> By: whippoorwill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183887 whippoorwill Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:57:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183887 <blockquote>’d like to see this whole Gang of Four crap investigated. What did THEY know and when did they know it? What were they told or shown and what were WE told? The national security plea is crap, too. It’s always been bu$hler ass-covering. Comment by OleHippieChick </blockquote> This is too big a deal for the DOJ or congress to investigate themselves, especially since they the subjects to be investigated. There will certainly be a Special Prosecuter' to get the bottom of this Clusterf##k. All we got now is wild speculation as to what actually happened.

’d like to see this whole Gang of Four crap investigated. What did THEY know and when did they know it? What were they told or shown and what were WE told? The national security plea is crap, too. It’s always been bu$hler ass-covering.

Comment by OleHippieChick

This is too big a deal for the DOJ or congress to investigate themselves, especially since they the subjects to be investigated. There will certainly be a Special Prosecuter’ to get the bottom of this Clusterf##k. All we got now is wild speculation as to what actually happened.

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183884 dixie blood Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:55:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183884 I am not a RePugniScum or a DemoRat!! I am sure you are an ASSH0LE!! I am not a RePugniScum or a DemoRat!!

I am sure you are an ASSH0LE!!

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183880 dixie blood Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:53:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183880 <em>There is a third choice. I choose whipp- a person with a sense of humor and perspective. you still haven’t said if your repub. if not then a flaming Dixiecrat. Your still wrong DC and you’ll be wrong tomorrow and the next day. All the vulgar comments you make won’t change that. And you can take the hatred you own and shove it up your southern fried smartass. Comment by whippoorwill — December 9, 2007 @ 6:07 pm </em> "And you can take the hatred you own and shove it up your southern fried smartass." Wow, what a progressive point of view! BTW, I don't live in the south. You project assh0le!!! There is a third choice. I choose

whipp- a person with a sense of humor and perspective.

you still haven’t said if your repub. if not then a flaming Dixiecrat.
Your still wrong DC and you’ll be wrong tomorrow and the next day. All the vulgar comments you make won’t change that. And you can take the hatred you own and shove it up your southern fried smartass.

Comment by whippoorwill — December 9, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

“And you can take the hatred you own and shove it up your southern fried smartass.”

Wow, what a progressive point of view! BTW, I don’t live in the south. You project assh0le!!!

]]> By: OleHippieChick http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/comment-page-3/#comment-4183869 OleHippieChick Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:49:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/#comment-4183869 I'd like to see this whole Gang of Four crap investigated. What did THEY know and when did they know it? What were they told or shown and what were WE told? The national security plea is crap, too. It's always been bu$hler ass-covering. I’d like to see this whole Gang of Four crap investigated. What did THEY know and when did they know it? What were they told or shown and what were WE told? The national security plea is crap, too. It’s always been bu$hler ass-covering.

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