Rockefeller Gives Contradictory Response For When He Learned Of CIA’s Destruction Of Torture Tapes
Rockefeller Gives Contradictory Response For When He Learned Of CIA’s Destruction Of Torture Tapes
On Thursday evening, when the media first reported that the CIA destroyed “torture tapes” documenting the harsh interrogation of al Qaeda leaders, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman John Rockefeller (D-WV) said he had known about the destruction for a year:
And, we did not learn until much later, November 2006 — 2 months after the full committee was briefed on the program — that the tapes had in fact been destroyed in 2005.
But the very next day, Rockefeller issued a statement explaining that he had been misled by the CIA and was simply repeating what they had told him. To clarify, he said that he was not told of the destruction in 2006:
Last night, the CIA informed me that it believes that the leadership of the Senate Intelligence Committee was told of the decision to destroy the tapes in February 2003 but was not told of their actual destruction until a closed committee hearing held in November 2006.
The committee has located no record of either being informed of the 2003 CIA decision or being notified late last year of the tapes having being destroyed. A review of the November 2006 hearing transcript finds no mention of tapes being destroyed.
This morning on CBS’s Face the Nation, Rockefeller had an opportunity to set the record straight but failed. Instead, he offered contradictory explanations, stating that he learned about the destruction in 2006 but also that he first found out about it by reading the newspaper this week:
ROCKEFELLER: And I also don’t know why we didn’t find out about that until 2006.
SCHIEFFER: You found out about it when you read it in the newspaper?
ROCKEFELLER: Yeah, yeah.
Watch it:
Rockefeller was also asked about a Washington Post story today that claims bipartisan leaders of Congress were briefed on waterboarding and raised no objections. He said he couldn’t reveal whether he was briefed or not due to confidentiality rules, but said he was “really disturbed by what I was reading and what we grew to know.”
Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), also appearing on the program, said there was “no justification” for either carrying out torture practices or destroying the tapes. “Burning tapes, destroying evidence, I don’t know how deep this goes,” Hagel said. “Could there be obstruction of justice? Yes. How far does this go up in the White House, who knew it? I don’t know.”
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“Could there be obstruction of justice? Yes. How far does this go up in the White House, who knew it? I don’t know.â€
We know how far up it goes, John Boy……
December 9th, 2007 at 1:07 pmMy God!!!! Everybody lying and covering up!!!!! Once more this administration and the CIA covering up their crimes and WAR CRIMES. And now we learn the even the RAT PEOLSI herself approved waterboarding. Where is the American people????????!!!!!!
December 9th, 2007 at 1:12 pmJay Rockefeller is becoming an embarrassment to the Democratic Party. He has not met any of his promises on investigating the crimes of the Bush Administration and he is starting to sound more and more like a Republiscum every day, like Diane Feinstein. There’s got to be money involved here. The money in Feinstein’s case is her husband who is getting really rich off the occupation of Iraq. Not sure where the money is for Rockefeller.
In January Rockefeller promised to release Phase II of the investigation into the flawed intel leading up to the Iraq war. Guess what folks, he hasn’t done it.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:12 pmAnd now we learn the even the RAT PEOLSI herself approved waterboarding. Where is the American people????????!!!!!!
Comment by sacopenapa
And you learned this where? Link please. I am not a Pelosi fan but I don’t like seeing anyone smeared without proof.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:13 pmAmerican politicians are acting as though no one is watching…. The whole world comunity is watching everything! From the outing of V. Plame to Gonzo, From Abu Graib to the oval office, From the stolen money to Brammer, From Halliburton to two million of iraqui civilians dead!!!!!! When will it stop? When will these WAR CRIMINALS will face justice???? Where is the American people???????
December 9th, 2007 at 1:16 pmbilbobaggins… Get out of this never never land you live in and read about the latest news!!!! Besides, just check RAT PELOSI’s record of what has she done so far after getting her new job!!! Check how she took IMPEACHMENT, yeas, WELL DESERVED AND OVERDUE IMPEACHMENT “off the table”. Taking the carpert out of everybody who had holpes of stoping US WAR CRIMES RAMPAGE!!!
December 9th, 2007 at 1:20 pmWhat the Hey? We got a repub making sense and a dem talking b.s.!
December 9th, 2007 at 1:21 pmWatergate did not teach Americans to elect proper people.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:22 pmIt taught our elected officials to be better criminals.
This is a disgrace.
“Sex with underage Boys: Could it be a Good Thing?â€
Every prog blog out there needs to run with this headline from FOX.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:27 pm#10, that caption is really old. From October 2006:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/davezilla/268212527/
December 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmI’m shocked to see political mudslinging just days before Bush expects his blank check for his war profiteering cronies. Last time, it was allegations that the Dems knew about the wire tapping.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmAnd you learned this where? Link please. I am not a Pelosi fan but I don’t like seeing anyone smeared without proof.
Comment by bilbobaggins
Well, I found the link and the Washington Post article totally infuriated me. It is all based on what the Bush Administration officials told the WP happened at the meeting. They didn’t have the decency to interview the people they were quoting and including their version of what happened in those meetings. As usual, the WP is carrying water for the Bush Administration. Why am I not surprised?
I will withhold judgment on this one until such time as we hear Nancy Pelosi, Jane Harmon and the other Democrat’s version of what happened at those meetings. I am not going to base my opinions on the word of a Bush administration flunky who chooses to leak to the press something that the politicians involved couldn’t talk about without fear of prosecution.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmbilbobaggins… Get out of this never never land you live in and read about the latest news!!!!
I do read the news. I had not read the WP today and I posted my comments about the hit piece above. I am not a fan of Nancy Pelosi and I have often blasted her here for her lack of courage. I also write her an e-mail pretty much daily telling her what I think of the job she is doing as Speaker of the House.
But, I refuse to condemn her based on leaked information from the Bush Administration. I will wait to hear her side of the story, unlike you who rush to judgment based on the word of a Bush lackey.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmThe WP story also says that Pelosi doesn’t recall being briefed on enhanced interrogation techniques:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 12/ 09/ lawmakers-didnt-object-to-waterboarding-in-02/
December 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmWonder why the Dems have been so reluctant to directly confront the Bush-Cheney cabal?
Perhaps the hands of a few too many high-placed leaders in BOTH parties are drenched with innocent blood — a fail-safe recipe to ensure that nothing meaningful gets done in Washington, D.C.
By all accounts, it would seem that this grand design is working almost exactly as planned.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:39 pmBilbo
December 9th, 2007 at 1:52 pmif pelosi is not complicit, then she needs to explain quite a bit. And if this is really a repuke trick, then she needs to speak out. And take impeachment out of the closet to dust off the table with.
This is classic shredding of evidence.
http://americangoy.myblogsite.com/
December 9th, 2007 at 2:02 pmRockefeller, Pelosi, Harman, Feinstein all GUILTY and complicit in the illegal actions of this administration and therefore could not pursue what was in fact the best action for the nation —IMPEACHMENT.
It is a startly chilling day when you realize you are represented ny NO ONE.
December 9th, 2007 at 2:04 pmHey Rocky baby, where is that stage II of the Iraq intell you guarranteed???? In position and power over a year and nothing but crickets?
Rockefeller is so F.O.S.
December 9th, 2007 at 2:08 pmFor those of you who seemed more concerned about the WH focus on the Dem leadership that knew but didn’t even had the courage to raise a finger.Stop supporting Dem leadsership that’s coruppted.Now any wonder why impeachment was taken off the table ?You think it would come out that more than a few dems in leadership roles are corrupted big time ?
December 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pmRockefeller . . . BS, no matter how you spin it, stinks.
Thank you Mr. Hagel.
I don’t care about your affiliation, you smell like a rose. Thank you for your candor . . . so refreshing. . . . so rare.
December 9th, 2007 at 2:15 pmTHIS IS NEWS
‘Rice, Livni involved in love affair’
A Former Israeli education minister has accused the US secretary of state and Israeli Foreign Minster of having a sexual relationship.
Limor Livnat, who is an Israeli Knesset (parliament) member, has told Benjamin Netanyahu that Condoleezza Rice and Tzipi Livni have sexual affairs.
Meanwhile, an American newspaper has quoted Rice as saying that she is a lesbian and has bought her partner an apartment in New York in order to engage in sexual conduct.
My partner has never had a relationship with a man, Rice said.
http://www.presstv.ir/
December 9th, 2007 at 2:33 pmCondoleezza Rice and Tzipi Livni involved in love affair
A Former Israeli education minister has accused the US secretary of state and Israeli Foreign Minster of having a sexual relationship.
Limor Livnat, who is an Israeli Knesset (parliament) member, has told Benjamin Netanyahu that Condoleezza Rice and Tzipi Livni have sexual affairs.
Meanwhile, an American newspaper has quoted Rice as saying that she is a lesbian and has bought her partner an apartment in New York in order to engage in sexual conduct.
My partner has never had a relationship with a man, Rice said.
http://www.presstv.ir/
December 9th, 2007 at 2:36 pmWhat a bunch of worthless lying traitors: corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans: all saying “Sieg Heil” to the Bush imperial war machine. Puke on all of them. Traitors to our Bill of Rights; traitors to our Constitution; traitors to our America.
December 9th, 2007 at 2:42 pmRockstar was against knowing about the tapes before he heard about them.
December 9th, 2007 at 2:47 pm26 - That puts new meaning to the Americans and Israelis being in bed with each other
December 9th, 2007 at 3:01 pmPelosi promises that Bush will never face impeachment . . .
We knew that for her to make such a promise, he must have some goods on her . . .
Now that these goods are out . . .
Can we look forward to empeachment (as we should) - OR - Is more bad news looking at us in the headlights?
What these folks fail to realize is that it will all come out eventually.
What anyone who wants Bush empeached must realize is that time is running out. Do it now or he will be forever enabled to re-write history.
(He was our president, he wouldn’t do that. He wouldn’t re-write facts written in stone . . . Yeah right. He’s already at it and Karl Rove is working 24/7 [Rove’s spin: Dems forced an unsuspecting dub’ya into invading Iraq without probable cause]).
The spin: Bush never read, received or comprehended anything. . . . Lovely, unless you are a family member or friend of anyone who died in 9/11, Katrina, Iraq or Afghanistan . . . in which case, send your letters of thanks and joy to George W. Bush, White House, Penn. Ave., WDC.
You might could meet up with him at Arl. Nat. Cem., but he never goes there. (Ya know . . . total bummer.)
December 9th, 2007 at 3:05 pmThings to do:
#1 Boot Pelosi.
#2 Boot Cheney & Bush (Boot Bush first, Cheney becomes president . . . bad noose)
#3 Boot Blackwater
#4 Out of Iraq
#5 Boot Halliburton
#6 Boot special interest groups
#7 Boot lobbyists
#8 Fund “No child left behind”
#9 Save the environment (talk to Robert Kennedy Jr.)
#10 Make amends (our world partners need a hug)
Happy holidays . . . . send that special basket to the kids in Dafur, they could certainly use a lift (dubya isn’t into nation building - know what I mean? They should just lift themselves by theie bootstraps like he did . . . yeah right . . . can I do that with one hand?)
December 9th, 2007 at 3:32 pmI think TP should be given well deserved acknowledgment of not being blindly partisan, holding a Democrats’ feet to the fire when truth demands it.
Isn’t that what we all want a “watchdog” to be?
December 9th, 2007 at 3:36 pmShowing the TRUTH wins out for progressives, over party.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 9, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
That’s the best post of the week. And hat tip to TP. They really are open to all opinions and are, IMHO, the best blog site on Earth!!
December 9th, 2007 at 4:11 pmFrancine, that is the most asinine comment you’ve ever made. And that’s sayin somethin.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:13 pmOmaha cartoon
December 9th, 2007 at 4:16 pmMSM cartoon
December 9th, 2007 at 4:28 pmGreat cartoons, ccokz.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“Francine, that is the most asinine comment you’ve ever made. And that’s sayin somethin.”
Where did the characterization of Frank M as a woman come from? Personally I think that’s insulting to women, but …
… I have my own theories. Extrapolating from Frank M’s apparent deep need for a _strong leader figure_ (which I can only guess MUST be a male figure), I get this funny funny feeling that Frank M has deep-seated father-related issues. Frank NEEDS that strong dominating figure in his life. Why, I cannot imagine.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:36 pmBilbobaggins wrote in posting #14, ” I will wait to hear her side of the story…”
But she was given a chance the give her side of the story by The Post. Her response?:
“Pelosi declined to comment directly on her reaction to the classified briefings. But a congressional source familiar with Pelosi’s position on the matter said the California lawmaker did recall discussions about enhanced interrogation. The source said Pelosi recalls that techniques described by the CIA were still in the planning stage — they had been designed and cleared with agency lawyers but not yet put in practice — and acknowledged that Pelosi did not raise objections at the time.”
Read the entire article, Bilbo.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHagel knows it goes all the way to the top of the fetid, rotting heap!
December 9th, 2007 at 4:50 pmIf what you are saying is accurate, Exlax, then why did Jane Harmon who, purportedly saw the same things as Pelosi, feel the need to compose a letter repudiating these techniques? Eh…the story doesn’t hold water.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:52 pmBilbo
if pelosi is not complicit, then she needs to explain quite a bit. And if this is really a repuke trick, then she needs to speak out. And take impeachment out of the closet to dust off the table with.
Comment by Wayne
I agree. And if it turns out that she did know and she did nothing about it, she needs to resign as Speaker of the House.
Just once I would like to see one of these people who are briefed on this stuff go public and say “I think that what I am telling you needs to be made public and if the White House wants to prosecute me, let them. There would be such an outpouring of support for whomever had the courage to tell the truth to the public, Bush would not be able to take revenge on that person.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:52 pmBelieve me, at this point I am far from a Pelosi fan; however, skewing the facts ourselves brings the discussion on a par with the Bush Administration - the “Masters of Lies and Spin”.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:53 pmBilbo & Wayne: I’d dearly love to know what dirt they must have on Pelosi to have gagged her this significantly.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:54 pmBillbobaggins says
A nugget of sanity.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWhere did the characterization of Frank M as a woman come from? Personally I think that’s insulting to women, but …
We call him Francine because he never has the balls to answer questions posed to him or to prove his inane comments. I apologize to all women out there, but until Francine grows a set I’ll keep calling him Francine.
December 9th, 2007 at 4:57 pmhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/12/nbc.html
cartoon: erased tapes
December 9th, 2007 at 5:00 pmBelieve me, at this point I am far from a Pelosi fan; however, skewing the facts ourselves brings the discussion on a par with the Bush Administration - the “Masters of Lies and Spinâ€.
Comment by Veritas
The Bushies have leaked this now because there is so much bad news on their side of the fence, they are trying to divert our attention by sliming the Democrats. I would like to know why, if one of the congressional participants had leaked the contents of that conversation they would be violating national security and be prosecuted, but it’s ok for a Bush official to leak the information to embarrass a Democrat. There’s something very wrong with that picture.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYou’re right, Bilbo. Only a handful of criminals and braindeads would not be behind Pelosi “outing” things at this point. She’d have such support right now for impeachment. Regardless of whether they have the votes to accomplish it or not, it would send a signal to the rest of the world that this group of capricious renegades and liars do not represent the american people OR our democracy. The good which would come as a result of pursuing impeachment would be phenomenal - not only globally - but nationally as well. The rule of law has been hijacked by this administration and this entire country is spinning out of control as a result. Impeachment would send citizens the clear message that we have a rule of law which is to be enforced and, beginning at the top, we are taking these high crimes and misdemeanors seriously.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:01 pmBilbo: The Bush White House has been described as a “Leaking Sieve” with it comes to intelligence and classified information. Just take the Valerie Plame treasonous “leak” which, as we all know now, emanated from the white house. And with these new lies which run contrary to the NIE and Iran, it’s precisely the same gig which went on in the run up to Iraq - Iraq redux. This time the people know the game, however, and have repudiated both this president and his veep due to their individual crimes against the constitution, the ongoing lies, and the manipulation of the rule of law.
Since the White House bobbleheads have very little they can say or do at this point to spin things their way, (in either NIEgate or Torturegate) they are trying their damnest to dredge up something as a diversionary tactic.
The people are laughing at all of them at this point. The people have absolutely no respect left for the entire sorry lot posing as legitimate, caring leaders. It’s over and Bush is worse than a lameduck: he’s a pathological lying duck and a disgrace to this country.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#32, Mugsy…”I think TP should be given well deserved acknowledgment of not being blindly partisan”
I must admit, I agree. It must have been difficult for Faiz to bring attention to the fact that the Democrats have done a complete flip-flop on enhanced interrogation techniques since 2002 and that their recent hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing over such techniques (and their claims they knew nothing of them) are a complete sham.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:08 pmAnd, I might add, the Dems have full control of what happens next - whether they may have or will have the votes is irrelevant at this point.
The Constitution which they all have sworn to uphold and defend makes no bones about it: When impeachable offenses (high crimes and misdemeanors) are found to have occurred, it is the RESPONSIBILITY of Congress to begin proceedings immediately - this doesn’t mean tomorrow or the next day - this means PRONTO! For the past year we’ve been accumulating more impeachable offenses against Bush and Cheney and Kucinich is leading a movement for The Dick’s impeachment for weeks now.
We need to write or call our congressmen and remind them of their oath of office with regard to upholding the constitution to the letter of the law: Remind them that it is not their “choice” or “option” - it is a mandated RESPONSIBILITY written by our Founding Fathers for precisely what we have occurring now. A president and administration that thinks themselves untouchable legally; has bastardized every law enacted by Congress with covert signing statements; has lied repeatedly to the people to engage us in a war for oil and is continuing to lie to us to try to dupe us into another oil war in Iran.
If these aren’t impeachable offenses when contrasted with Nixon lying over wiretapping his political opponents in Watergate and impeachment against Bill Clinton for a BJ, then I don’t know what in the hell would be!!
December 9th, 2007 at 5:10 pmNow Exley puts words in Faiz’ mouth.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhat a f_cking wimp you are, Exley.
With what we know now (and it’s just the tip of a very ugly iceberg of illegal/unconstitutional activities of Bush & Cheney) this country cannot afford to have a psycho at it’s helm for another 12 months! He’s mentally unstable at this point and unfit to govern.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:12 pmHi Zooey! Yes, I see Exlax grasping at straws to maintain some semblance of relevance here but he’s losing the battle today. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving moron.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:13 pmExlax is a whimp because everything he posts gets holes blown through it when the real facts are revealed. He needs to post on some juvenile blog instead. Maybe he’d get some traction there?
December 9th, 2007 at 5:16 pmEach Senator and Congressman which comes first their Oath of Office or their oath of secrecy to each other. We need our representatives to adhere to their oath of office.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
Peace!
December 9th, 2007 at 5:17 pmPJ
Hi Zooey! Yes, I see Exlax grasping at straws to maintain some semblance of relevance here but he’s losing the battle today. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving moron.
Comment by Veritas — December 9, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Well said, Veritas!
December 9th, 2007 at 5:18 pmPoor Veritas, By clogging this thread with his barely coherent rantings, he is desperately trying to spin attention away from the subject of this thread; to wit, the Democratic Congressional leadership — including Pelosi and Rockefeller — were well aware of the CIA’s interrogation methods way back in 2002 and never once objected…
Sorry, Veritas, but the facts are now out. Your party leaders have been exposed as liars and hypocrites.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhy, I cannot imagine.
Comment by bernard quatermass — December 9, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
I’m not sure folks, like me, for instance, characterize Frannie as a woman, per se, but rather, simply being EFFEMINATE.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI’m not sure folks, like me, for instance, characterize Frannie as a woman, per se, but rather, simply being EFFEMINATE.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 9, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Sorry TRoS, but that’s still equating the female with weakness.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:23 pmComment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
What’s a “Christion”, and where’s “Colorodo”???
BTW, yer comment is a hypotheical, and therefore invalid. It would be thrown out in a court case instantly. Try again, and have a “point” this time. It’ll be alot more “work”, but you’ll feel better in the morning.
Also, that’s not the point of the thread. You really do have comprehension problems, don’t you?
December 9th, 2007 at 5:23 pmPoor Zooey, As usual she embarrasses herself by posting without having read the articles ThinkProgress provided. Don’t be so lazy, Zooey:
“In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk…Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised.”
December 9th, 2007 at 5:24 pmIran, Sinopec sign major oil deal
China’s Sinopec signs a multi-million-dollar deal with Iran to develop an oil field in southern Iran, despite the US opposition.
The agreement indicates Washington’s claims that international firms are not willing to invest in Iran are baseless, said Iranian Oil Minister Gholam-Hossein Nozari.
It was a message to all nations that foreign firms can invest in the oil industry of the Islamic Republic, Nozari added.
Under the deal, the Chinese company is obliged to make all necessary investments to develop the Yadavaran Oil Field
A prior agreement had been signed between Iran and Sinopec Corp. on the development of the Yadavaran oil field in southwestern Iran in 2004.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:28 pm“That was 2002, now they act all surprised,,, but now they are caught.”
Bert, I agree…It is hysterical to watch the Dems’ story crumbling all around them today….I especially love how Pelosi refused to comment for The Washington Post….
She is most likely huddled with your political advisers right now desperately trying to figure out a way to spin her way out of these newly-revealed facts.
And, once again, good for Faiz for not sweeping Rockefeller’s and Pelosi’s dishonesty and evasiveness under the rug.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:28 pmBut on that day, no objections were raised.â€
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
A little validation that this ACTUALLY happened would be nice.
IF you ever paid attention here, you’d know that many of us are just as mad at Pelosi as the Brusch Regime, and no matter of how many of those spineless twits approve of torture, it doesn’t make it right.
You’re now proud to keep company w/ the Inquisition, the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, and the Khmer Rouge. Nice friends, Ex-Lax.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:28 pmHe needs to post on some juvenile blog instead. Maybe he’d get some traction there?
I believe there is a great blog site for Thomas the Tank Engine, Exlayed.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:29 pmA prior agreement had been signed between Iran and Sinopec Corp. on the development of the Yadavaran oil field in southwestern Iran in 2004.
Comment by Anjuna Laguna — December 9, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
So, Ex-Laz, now that the Chinese are developing oil fields w/ the Iranians, still want to go in and bomb the bejeesus out of them? Geez, that’d most likely draw the Chinese into the conflict, and, huh, they have nukes, and lots of them, and a HUGE standing army.
Go on, Ex-Lax, lead w/ yer codpiece.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:30 pmRoS wrote: “A little validation that this ACTUALLY happened would be nice.”
Post: “Pelosi declined to comment directly on her reaction to the classified briefings.”
If Pelosi had objected to what she learned from the CIA in 2002, I am sure she would have been quite eager to tell The Washington Post of her objections.
Her silence speaks volumes (as does Rockefeller’s inconsistent answers).
December 9th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
I’ve got news for you, Exley, that was an off topic comment about your lame-assed condescending attitude AGAIN to someone way better than you’ll ever be.
You haven’t got what it takes to make anyone feel anything but minor annoyance.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:35 pmRead The Washington Post article, Zooey, and then get back to us.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:37 pmExley,
December 9th, 2007 at 5:38 pmWe realize you are anti-Democratic Party. That’s not hard to figure out. But are you pro-torture or anti-torture? Are you sometimes pro-torture, like when our guys do it, but anti-torture when the bad guys do it? Or are you always for torture, even when our troops are the victims? Do you believe Tenet when he says it has gotten us good info (When has he ever lied before?)? Or do you believe all historians for the last 75 years, who say those being torture will say anything and it is therefore NOT reliable? Do you think our president has the right to change the definition of torture so he can then say that we do not torture? Would you be okay with President Hillary torturing you and your family?
Beheader? Saving thousands of lives?
December 9th, 2007 at 5:41 pmSame old horseshite, different delivery boy.
Nice try Bert, go get a kiss from Ernie now, you’ve earned it.
Read The Washington Post article, Zooey, and then get back to us.
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
There’s that condescending attitude Zooey was referring to. Learn the difference between a ‘fact’ and an ‘opinion’ and get back to us, little laxative…
December 9th, 2007 at 5:41 pmPost: “Pelosi declined to comment directly on her reaction to the classified briefings.â€
If Pelosi had objected to what she learned from the CIA in 2002, I am sure she would have been quite eager to tell The Washington Post of her objections.
Her silence speaks volumes (as does Rockefeller’s inconsistent answers).
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
And your ‘opinion’ speaks volumes on how you want to blame others for the lying, distortion and misrepresentation of this administration. It’s now Nancy’s fault because Bush Lied? ROTFL!! You really are ‘tarded, aspergers girl!
December 9th, 2007 at 5:43 pmRead The Washington Post article, Zooey, and then get back to us.
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Us? Have you got a frog in your pocket? Too funny!
F_ck off, Exley.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:43 pmKeith,
Well, while the topic of this thread is not torture, but rather the Democratic congressional leadership’s dishonesty and evasiveness when discussing the knowledge of and attitude towards the CIA’s interrogation techniques of which they first learned in 2002, I will indulge you and answer your question in the same way I have answered the same question here many, many times in the past–I am 100% opposed to the use of torture.
Now, having answered your question, let’s stick with the topic of this thread — that is, the Democratic congressional leadership’s evasiveness regarding what they knew about the CIA’s interrogation technoques and when they knew it.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:45 pmOver and over again in that article it is said that it is based on what “Officials Say”. We are not even allowed to know who these officials are or where they come from. Is it impossible for them to lie? For instance, are they Vulcan? Has the White House ever lied or misled us about anything important before? NAW!! Do the reasons for destroying the tapes pass the smell test?
December 9th, 2007 at 5:47 pmWell, while the topic of this thread is not torture, but rather the Democratic congressional leadership’s dishonesty and evasiveness when discussing the knowledge of and attitude towards the CIA’s interrogation techniques of which they first learned in 2002, I will indulge you and answer your question in the same way I have answered the same question here many, many times in the past–I am 100% opposed to the use of torture. Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
ROTFL!! You’re lecturing about evasiveness and dishonest of Democrats? HYSTERICAL!! You deserve a STRAITJACKET little girl!!
Now, having answered your question, let’s stick with the topic of this thread — that is, the Democratic congressional leadership’s evasiveness regarding what they knew about the CIA’s interrogation technoques and when they knew it.
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Some members of the committees are sworn to secrecy - you’d have them break that? So you’re for Democrats WHISTLEBLOWING on LYING REPUBLICANS WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES?
Works for me!
December 9th, 2007 at 5:48 pmIf you are upset about the dishonesty and evasivness of Dems, but not the White House for the past seven years, then I really don’t know what to say. You are beyond hope. And you definitely do not sound like someone who is opposed to torture. Like RHF says, they probably were not allowed to discuss what they saw.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:53 pmhighly classified — if talk about– go to prison.
in simple easy to understand terms. the two congress sources who spoke to wapo committed a felony speaking to the press. I personally believe they were repubs.
An idea -why don’t we attack repubs for playing politics with classified info
INSTEAD of attacking each other
December 9th, 2007 at 5:54 pmjeesh!
#85, Keith, What you are ignoring is the fact that The Washington Post went to the Democratic leadership with what the anonymous “officials” for comment and none of the Democrats denied or took issue with the officials’ statements regarding the 2002 briefings
Pelose and Rockefelle refused to comment (tellingly) Graham does not deny it. Instead, he claims simply not to remember.
So, this idea that the anonymous official sources are lying is belied by the fact that none of the Democrats deny the story.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:55 pmComment by Keith — December 9, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Nail on head, Keith.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:56 pm“Nail on head, Keith.”
Have you finished reading The Washington Post article, Zooey?
December 9th, 2007 at 5:58 pmYou’re right, Bilbo. Only a handful of criminals and braindeads would not be behind Pelosi “outing†things at this point. She’d have such support right now for impeachment.
Hopefully this will be the “kick in the butt” that Pelosi needs. If she doesn’t go onto the offensive after being slimed like this, then we’ll all know for sure that she is either bought and paid for or under a serious case of blackmail.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:58 pmLets see… that would be SanFranNan the head muckymuck Democrat and who? Rockefeller, I’m betting.
Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Sorry, Bert, this is conjecture and therefore meaningless.
December 9th, 2007 at 5:59 pmQuestion for Ex-lax, Burt, and Frankie… if waterboarding was so essential to the defense of the country and legal to boot, why did the CIA quit doing it by 2005? And why destroy the evidence?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pmHave you finished reading The Washington Post article, Zooey?
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
I’m reading something else. Thanks.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pmComment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
If everything you say is true, then that just lowers my opinion of Pelosi and Rock. It was pretty low to begin with. The Pentagon has said that we release 90% of the people who go through our prisons–because they are innocent. Therefore we are torturing innocent people and increasing the number of people who hate us. That is counter-productive. Everything this White House does is counter-productive.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:01 pmThis White House HAS NOT been dishonest and as for the past 7 years…
This comment DEFIES belief… what a hideoulsly disingenuous fraud you are,
December 9th, 2007 at 6:01 pmat least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder…
There were not only Democrats in that room. That piece in the WP is such a slime job it makes me sick. They “imply” that the two lawmakers who asked them to push harder were Democrats, but I’m willing to bet that they are Republiscums. If this slime job doesn’t get the Democrats on the offensive, I will totally give up on them.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:01 pm*merry moonbat christmas
Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Nice Jingle Ballsâ„¢ Bertie. They go really well w/ the candy-cane striped codpiece. Ho… ho… ho…
December 9th, 2007 at 6:02 pm“I’m reading something else. Thanks.”
Ah, well, then, since you aknowledge that you have not read The Washington Post article and thus cannot comment substantively on it, we would ask that you refrain from posting on this particular thread and clogging it up. Thanks.
Once you read the article, you are more than welcome to return and participate.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI have to say, the dems knew about the waterbording, (not considered as torture) and signed off on it and I give them credit for doing what is best for this country for a change…
Well loon Bert, please point to proof that the Dems new about the waterboarding and that they signed off on it. These were implied in the Washington Post hit job, but they were not proven. Until I hear from the people who were there, I will reserve judgment. Also, your statement that waterboarding is not considered torture is disingenuous and a lie. The rest of the world considers waterboarding to be torture and it is banned in our Army field manual. So, just because Bush says it isn’t torture DOES NOT make it true. Now run along loon, drink some more koolaid and go back under your bed.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:05 pmComment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
We haven’t lost any major US cities in the past 27 months, either! Are we supposed to thank W for that, too.
EVERY single *&^%$#! reason this administration gave for the urgent necessity of invading Iraq was a known lie before it was given!!!
December 9th, 2007 at 6:05 pmIf this slime job doesn’t get the Democrats on the offensive, I will totally give up on them.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 9, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
The timing of this “revelation” is truly interesting too. The heat comes down or BruschCo BIG TIME for destroying those tapes, and what do we immediately get? This little gem. Funny, wouldn’t the info here be “classified”? Could someone in the Brusch WH again be breaking the law for political leverage? How, and why, did this come out right now?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:05 pm#98 “If everything you say is true, then that just lowers my opinion of Pelosi and Rock.”
Keith, it is not what I am saying. It is what The Washington Post is reporting and what Pelosi and Rockefeller and Graham are saying in reaction to the Post’s reporting.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI have to say, the dems knew about the waterbording, (not considered as torture)
Then why destroy the tapes?
and signed off on it and I give them credit for doing what is best for this country for a change…
Why did the CIA quit waterboarding?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThe quality of the trolls on this blog sure has hit rock bottom. I guess the RNC is having trouble recruiting trolls the same way our military is having trouble recruiting more cannon fodder.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:07 pmOnce you read the article, you are more than welcome to return and participate.
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Actually, I think I’ll do what I damn well please.
Please do f_ck off, as previously requested. Anyone else second that?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:07 pmFunny, wouldn’t the info here be “classified� Could someone in the Brusch WH again be breaking the law for political leverage? How, and why, did this come out right now?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
The information is classified and that is why the legislators who got the information could not talk about it. If they had, they would be prosecuted by the administration for releasing state secrets. But when it is the Bush administration doing the leaking, I guess it’s OK.
If any of the legislators in that room had released the information they got to the public, they would have been called traitors by the Republiscums. So Republiscum trolls, do you consider the Bush administration lackey who leaked this information to be a traitor too?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:10 pmZooey, who is this “we” he keeps referring to? Is that like “the royal we”?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:10 pmI second it!
December 9th, 2007 at 6:10 pmPlease do f_ck off, as previously requested. Anyone else second that?
Comment by Zooey
I’ll second it. I also hit the Report Abuse button every time I see one of Ex Lax’s posts.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:11 pm“24″ is fiction. And Jack Bauer is in jail for drinking and driving.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThe Dems are using you guys!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
“The Dems”???? WTF??? This is inane.
If Pelosi knew and approved, I’m pissed as Hell. Again, Clueless, why did the CIA quit using waterboarding? And why destroy the tapes?
Do I like the fact that Pelosi might have known? No. I’m mad at her for the same reasons I’m mad at Brusch. Alot of us are mad at Pelosi and now we’ll just be madder.
I fail to see what meaningful point you’re making here. Please EXPLAIN yourself in detail.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:12 pmMEP: Iran, EU should boost ties
senior European lawmaker has said the expansion of ties between the Islamic Republic of Iran and The European Union is a necessity.
MEP Angelika Beer, who is visiting Tehran, told a press conference on Sunday that the EU supports the peaceful use of nuclear energy by all countries.
She added that the bloc is seeking to defuse the tension over Iran’s nuclear standoff with the West through dialogue and sending back Tehran’s nuclear case to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Beer said EU efforts are aimed at the implementation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and international regulations and talks are required to ensure that uranium enrichment activities do not lead to the proliferation of nuclear arms.
The European lawmaker arrived in Tehran on Thursday for a five-day visit to boost inter-parliamentary relations between Iran and the EU.
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Iraq to be given control of Basra
Gordon Brown announces that the Iraqi province of Basra will be handed over to Iraqi control within two weeks.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThey were tortured and there’s nothing your complaining and whining can do!
Comment by Megatron
At last, an honest right wing loon. This one admits that we torture people. It also probably thinks it is just fine that we torture our prisoners.
But, if they heard about some terrorist torturing one of our soldiers, they would be screaming bloody murder. They really don’t get it that if we torture, we are becoming our enemy…we no longer have a moral high ground. If I was a parent of a soldier in Iraq or anywhere in that region, I would be furious that my government is condoning torture, setting a precedent for our enemies to torture our soldiers with impunity.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:13 pmNow, now, Zooey….The time you are spending writing vapid postings could be time spent reading The Washington Post story….That way, you could comment substantively on this thread instead of begging other posters here to come and defend you.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThey were tortured and there’s nothing your complaining and whining can do!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Did it give you wood in yer Depends, Megatron? You seem to be a little, huh, excited, at the prospect.
You would appear to be complaining and whining too, ya sorry sack of cheney. So, huh, what important point are you making?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:14 pmZooey, who is this “we†he keeps referring to? Is that like “the royal we�
Comment by Keith — December 9, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
I think he has a mouse in his pocket — his only friend…
December 9th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThat way, you could comment substantively on this thread instead of begging other posters here to come and defend you.
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
So, Ex-lax, why did the CIA drop waterboarding if it was so vital to the Nation’s defense?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:15 pmI fail to see what meaningful point you’re making here. Please EXPLAIN yourself in detail.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Please don’t encourage this troll. It is a particularly stupid one and we don’t need any more of their inane babble here.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Oh look, another boring and totally off-topic post by Exley and his wee mouse.
Remember, you don’t dictate to anyone but that poor mouse.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:16 pmComment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
If you’re not emailing us from Iraq, then you are all mouth! Where are you? George Mason Univ?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:16 pmSo Exlax, Burt and all the other loons on this thread, what would you say if one or more of our soldiers was captured and we found out that they were being tortured? What would your reaction be?
We do pretty much everything our enemies do up to beheading and I wouldn’t be shocked to find out that we had done that too.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThey could nail their toes to the floor to get the beheaders to talk and I could care less…
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Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
My goodness, such tough talk from someone who will NEVER have to back it up. That squeaky, high-pitched soprano voice kinda undelies yer “toughness”, Bertie.
“The beheaders” - nice sweeping generalization that is actually meaningless. Can we talk about the “white phospherus droppers” the same way?
Squeak squeak… squeak squeak…
Anyone understand “Rodent” here?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:18 pm‘I also hit the Report Abuse button every time I see one of Ex Lax’s posts.’
Heh! Nice to see you are so scared of me and my well-documented, unassailable refutations of your error-filled postings. I especially like how you commented before having the read The Washington Post article and then had to retract your ignorant assertions.
Now, let’s get back on track, people, and focus your comments what Faiz wrote — namely that Rockefeller and other congressional Democrats gave inconsistent and evasive answers today about what they knew about the CIA’s interrogation techniques and when they knew it.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:18 pm“Oh look, another boring and totally off-topic post by Exley …”
So, let’s get on-topic, Zooey. What is your reaction to the revelations in today’s Washington Post about what the Democratic congressional leadership knew about the CIA’s interrogation techniques?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:21 pmI wouldn’t be shocked to find out that we had done that too.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 9, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Who was the guy who offered to bring Bin Laden’s head in a box to Brusch?
We certainly are the more advance culture. Shock and Awe!!!!
Secret trials, w/ secret evidence and secret witnesses you’re not allowed to challenge? Oh yeah… the Inquisition… it’s here to stay!
The Inquisition… Let’s all get medieval!!!
December 9th, 2007 at 6:21 pm“Democrats gave inconsistent and evasive answers ….”
You ever heard W speak?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:22 pmor Cheney?
or Gonzales?
or Rumsfeld?
or Rice?
or Purina?
Comment by Exley — December 9, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Geez, Ex-Lax… why did the CIA drop waterboarding in 2005?
No smug, self-serving answer?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:22 pmHeh! Nice to see you are so scared of me and my well-documented, unassailable refutations of your error-filled postings. I especially like how you commented before having the read The Washington Post article and then had to retract your ignorant assertions.ExLax
No, I am not in the least scared of you, disgusted, but not scared. Nothing you say is well documented. I will admit that I missed the fact that the Washington Post article went on to page 2 and 3, but reading the whole article didn’t change my opinion that it was another WP smear job on the Democrats.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:22 pm*bert
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Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Geez, Bertie… you support using white phosphorus on civilian populations?
Melting the skin off of babies, you chattering gelding?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:23 pmNo smug, self-serving answer?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
No answer period. Did you notice that ExLax bragged that his opinions are “well documented and unassailable”, but when he is asked a direct question by someone on this board, he either ignores the question or splits.
He hasn’t answered my question as to how he would react if he found out that our soldiers were being tortured by their captors. I didn’t really expect an answer.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:24 pmit was another WP smear job on the Democrats.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 9, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Just look at the timing, Bilbo. Geez, wouldn’t that info been classified? Did the Brusch Admin break the law AGAIN, for political leverage?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:24 pmThere weren’t any “beheaders” in Iraq before we invaded. Are we better because we drop bombs from 40,000 feet? Saddam almost had his head taken off when we hanged him.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:25 pmWhat is your reaction to the revelations in today’s Washington Post about what the Democratic congressional leadership knew about the CIA’s interrogation techniques?
Comment by Exley
Well, since the only people sourced in the article were Republiscum traitors who leaked classified information to the WP, my reaction was, I’ll wait until I hear all the facts before I come to a conclusion.
So loon Exley, how do you feel about Bush Administration officials leaking classified information?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:27 pmI’m taking a poll here.
Has anyone, ever, seen ExLax answer a question one of the people on this blog posed to him?
Has anyone, ever, seen Francine answer a question?
Why is it that they can’t answer the questions we ask? What are they afraid of?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:29 pmBob Schieffer’s commentary on today’s Face The Nation looks at the growing CIA torture tape scandal and notes Edward R. Murrow’s belief that sometimes it’s not our actions that do the most damage, it’s the message we send when we act inappropriately that can truly do the most harm.
Schieffer: “Is THAT our message to the world? That we are a government of laws except when it is inconvenient? If so, then what was done in the name of security has greatly harmed security. Weapons keep our enemies at bay, but our real security risks are whether the rest of the world comes to share our values, or the values of those who oppose us.â€
Wow, that’s one powerful message. As long as the rest of the world sees us as a bully or an enemy, we will never be secure.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:31 pmI didn’t really expect an answer.
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 9, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Right. One could assume they dropped it because they decided it wasn’t accomplishing much, which is what experts said all along, that torture doesn’t provide good intel. And now we are in league w/ the Inquisition, the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, and Khmer Rouge. Wonderful.
I have yet to hear a troll explain how those bizarre Abu Ghraib sex torture photos kept the country safer. Why were they torturing Iraqis? They couldn’t have possibly known anything about 9/11.
I notice Li’l Bertie likes to go on and on, in that high-pitched chattering voice of his, about the hundreds of lives saved. What plots were actually disrupted? W/out facts, that’s just self-serving conjecture on Bertie’s part.
Whilst we don’t have an accurate count of Iraqi dead, because our military won’t do it, we can be sure its substantially higher than “hundreds”.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:33 pmA little water in the face of a beheader vs hundreds of lives saved…
Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
First, in waterboarding the mouth is held open by a cloth so the water goes into the LUNGS. Second, why do you believe that hundreds of lives were saved? I know that 1,200,000 lives were lost. I know–You don’t care. You just like the idea of killing. I guess you come under “sociopathic”.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI find what Pelosi said, or didn’t say somewhat moot. As we know \/\/ did not veto the anit-torture bill but made a sigining statement to continue the practice. IE I dont like hypocrisy and spin these politicians spout, but it makes no difference when \/\/ approves anti-torture legislation then proceeds to gut it.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:35 pm*
Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
I wonder if the US military ALLOWED them to kill Saddam so quickly so Saddam couldn’t tell the world about the relationship he had w/ Reagan, and Brusch’s father, and Rummy, and BigDick.
Very valuable source of information, that Saddam. All the WRONG information. Whew, good thing he’s dead. All that info goes w/ him.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:35 pmbut it makes no difference when \/\/ approves anti-torture legislation then proceeds to gut it.
Comment by Xisithrus — December 9, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Of course, given the endless dishonesty of the Brushc Admin, how do we actually know they quit waterboarding?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWhat are they afraid of?
Comment by bilbobaggins — December 9, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Because they don’t have any real answers. they probably not even real people.
They’re either paid posters or people w/ chronic personality disorders.
Who else could make jokes about hanging people?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:38 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — December 9, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
December 9th, 2007 at 6:38 pmI’m sure that’s the case. He also didn’t have a very good defense since his lawyers kept quitting in fear for their lives.
There’s nothing you can do about it!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
And this comment is meaningful… why? What valid, rational point are you making? Apparently you get all “excited” about this.
Do you like being seen in league w/ the Inquisition, or the Khmer Rouge?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThere is a reason we do renditions to Egypt, Poland, Uzbekistan, etc. Noone knows what goes on in those prisons.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:40 pmHe also didn’t have a very good defense since his lawyers kept quitting in fear for their lives.
Comment by Keith — December 9, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
That was my thought at the time Keith. They sure sped that trial thru to the end. It really seemed like the US wanted him dead as fast as possible, but also wanted the world to see Iraqis do it.
Say, if Saddam deserved to die for what he did, do the people who helped him, like Chemical Ali, deserve to die too? Any trolls got an answer?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:42 pmThere’s nothing you can do about it!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007
You seem suprisingly happy that the balance of powers has been abrogated…
December 9th, 2007 at 6:43 pmYou seem suprisingly happy that the balance of powers has been abrogated…
Comment by Xisithrus — December 9, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
The Joker is a sick puppy.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:44 pmMegatron is sorry he missed the excitement of Doctor Mengele.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:45 pmComment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
Gosh, Bert thinks he’s a card. I wonder how many individuals coming here for the first time are persuaded by Bert’s comments that torture is okay, that domestic eavesdropping is okay, using white phosphorus on civilians… say white phosphorus… isn’t that a WMD?
Isn’t that what they put Saddam to death for? Chemical weapons used on civilians? Huh… they torure, we torture… they use chemical weapons, we chemical weapons. Oh yeah, we have the high ground here, fer sure.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:45 pmI just laugh at you Leftist whine and complain!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
Mentally ill. This is the Joker. Must have moved and gotten a new ISP.
Flag this one. He’s only here to be obnoxious as possible.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:46 pmIf the Iraqis kill Saddam’s associates, not our problem!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Civil war in Iraq is our problem Megatron and this welfare state \/\/ has purchased is stealing your tax dollars. Thank goodness the dollar is worth 50% less than it used to be, right?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:47 pmIf the Iraqis kill Saddam’s associates, not our problem!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Actually, I know this is beyond your mental grasp, but it is. We were the higher authority in Iraq at that time. They only got to do what they did when the US allowed it.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:48 pmComment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
What are you—like 12 years old? Is your butt in Iraq or George Mason U?
December 9th, 2007 at 6:48 pmTime to start flagging Megatron and Bertie, folks.
They have no valid point to make. They’re only here to be abusive.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:49 pmweekend Righties are a hoot!!
Big shoes and red rubber noses everywhere.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:49 pmsecond the motion
December 9th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI just laugh at you Leftist whine and complain!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007
Im just laughing at you..a proud owner of a muslim welfare state.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:50 pmYou’ll see how this website will be silent when she does it!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Actually, that’s not true. Your comment is a hypothetical, and therefore meaningless. An awful lot of us dislike Pelosi and Hillary already.
Again, you’re just talking gibberish.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:51 pmBig shoes and red rubber noses everywhere.
Comment by tombaker — December 9, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
And the Jingle Ballsâ„¢… don’t forget the Jingle Ballsâ„¢ and the candy-cane striped codpieces.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:52 pmYou’ll see how this website will be silent when she does it!
Comment by Megatron — December 9, 2007
Wishful thinking, and wrong. You will be whining when she becomes the unitary executive however.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:52 pmIm just laughing at you..a proud owner of a muslim welfare state.
Comment by Xisithrus — December 9, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Yeah, how come the right ALWAYS increases unemployment.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:52 pmMr. P has found the very tough Bert Convy as his next sock-puppet, I see. Still the same ignorant, bigotted coward, p, doesn’t matter whose name you hide behing; hiding is what you righties do best. Too bad you won’t stand up and fight, but we know that will never happen.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:53 pmExlax: Before you embarrass yourself any further, these are not “my” representatives. I am a Registered Independent, so screw off.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:54 pmYippie ky-yay, Bert, when are you going to do something about the Muslim menace besides wet your pants and take on other’s names? My guess is never; once a righty coward, forever a righty coward.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:54 pmWishful thinking, and wrong. You will be whining when she becomes the unitary executive however.
Comment by Xisithrus — December 9, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Nah, they’re whining now. They’ll be screaming when she starts using Bushite powers against the current pack of traitors.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:56 pmWhat Pelosi knew and when she knew it has these weekend, weenie reichwingnuts painties in a total wad. The real question is what Dumbo knew, when he knew it, and what torture bills he signed to effect it, that’s what really matters here. Nice hijacking try though. These weekend warrior reichwing goons are really laughable.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:58 pmIt matters little which members of Congress knew anything - after all, the buck stops on the desk of the Chimp in Chief.
December 9th, 2007 at 6:59 pm