Comments on: Rockefeller Gives Contradictory Response For When He Learned Of CIA’s Destruction Of Torture Tapes http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:04:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4184491 Keith Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:52:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4184491 Our trolls think people who behead are evil. CIA officer Gary Schroen was told by Director of Counter Terrorism Cofer Black (now on board of Blackwater mercenaries) to deliver Osama bin Laden's severed head in a box of dry ice to Bush and hoist heads of other al-Qaeda leaders on pikes. Schroen said this on National Public Radio in 2005. Our trolls think people who behead are evil. CIA officer Gary Schroen was told by Director of Counter Terrorism Cofer Black (now on board of Blackwater mercenaries) to deliver Osama bin Laden’s severed head in a box of dry ice to Bush and hoist heads of other al-Qaeda leaders on pikes. Schroen said this on National Public Radio in 2005.

]]> By: lylepink http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183999 lylepink Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:11:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183999 #240: Again, Everyone of us out here are wondering who let the cat out of the bag on this. The reporters know, but are honor bound to keep quiet. Despite the secret nature of this Administration, at least some things do get out eventually. The FOIA is not much help. #240: Again, Everyone of us out here are wondering who let the cat out of the bag on this. The reporters know, but are honor bound to keep quiet. Despite the secret nature of this Administration, at least some things do get out eventually. The FOIA is not much help.

]]> By: bernard quatermass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183994 bernard quatermass Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:50:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183994 "Phew!! I am even starting to feel sorry for you loons!" Aw, ain't you sweet - bless your heart. If you _really_ felt any sympathy for anyone, you would STFU and spare us your pimply, adolescent attempts at sarcasm. Leave such things to the people who have the plums and brains to wield them well. “Phew!! I am even starting to feel sorry for you loons!”

Aw, ain’t you sweet – bless your heart.

If you _really_ felt any sympathy for anyone, you would STFU and spare us your pimply, adolescent attempts at sarcasm. Leave such things to the people who have the plums and brains to wield them well.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183993 RUCerious Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:48:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183993 Lie-L would tell us exactly how the CIA works, but then he'd have to hunt us down and kill us all. Lie-L would tell us exactly how the CIA works, but then he’d have to hunt us down and kill us all.

]]> By: republicanSScareme http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183984 republicanSScareme Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:17:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183984 Anyone as rich as the Rockefeller family make them extremely dangerous. Anyone as rich as the Rockefeller family make them extremely dangerous.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183983 The Republic of Stupidity Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:06:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183983 From reports, again we can only guess as to why these “Alleged” tapes were destroyed. Comment by lylepink — December 10, 2007 @ 2:29 am Uh, yeah... I do find the "release" of this information, the timing of the article to interesting... would this information not be classified/ And why was it okay to be relased now? And by whom? WTF is going on at this point? From reports, again we can only guess as to why these “Alleged” tapes were destroyed.

Comment by lylepink — December 10, 2007 @ 2:29 am

Uh, yeah… I do find the “release” of this information, the timing of the article to interesting… would this information not be classified/ And why was it okay to be relased now? And by whom?

WTF is going on at this point?

]]> By: lylepink http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183978 lylepink Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:29:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183978 Having read most of the comments, I find very few of you have any knowledge of how the CIA operates. A very good example of this is the Senators are restricted as to even acknowledge a briefing did or did not take place, much less the substance. From all reports available, one can only guess what actually did take place during these "Alleged" questioning sessions. From reports, again we can only guess as to why these "Alleged" tapes were destroyed. Having read most of the comments, I find very few of you have any knowledge of how the CIA operates. A very good example of this is the Senators are restricted as to even acknowledge a briefing did or did not take place, much less the substance. From all reports available, one can only guess what actually did take place during these “Alleged” questioning sessions. From reports, again we can only guess as to why these “Alleged” tapes were destroyed.

]]> By: IMPEACH NOW http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183966 IMPEACH NOW Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:28:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183966 Gates said in an article linked by What Does It Mean that we must work for peace at a university speech. Fallon, if you read article carefully is saying we must leave the past behind and work for peace. http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=202350 Fallon asked his people not to use Rumsfailed phrase the "long war" and indicated he wanted troops out quickly. The reason why the surge was even somewhat of a success was that the real military brass was able to use its expertise including giving money to sunnis fighting because bush made sure they had no jobs. Batiste use of the phrase the "long war" a number of times in this article is worrying but the phrase against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC is important. We need to be Kremlinologists in understanding what is being said. Some diplomacy with bushco is needed to help our troops - still I am worried about the threats or pressure Batiste may have experienced. He did tell Sam Seder shortly after he started criticizing the handling of the war that he did not think that we could abandon the Iraqis, Seder strongly objected and so do I but we need to look deeper at some of the statements by all the military at this time. I think we may be close to a coup and the military brass is trying to avoid having to do that so is strongly encouraging all of us to get involved as citizens. Here is a very important 12 page manifesto, I think from the military, against those who want war on Iran: http://petras.lahaine.org Gates said in an article linked by What Does It Mean that we must work for peace at a university speech.

Fallon, if you read article carefully is saying we must leave the past behind and work for peace.
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=202350

Fallon asked his people not to use Rumsfailed phrase the “long war” and indicated he wanted troops out quickly. The reason why the surge was even somewhat of a success was that the real military brass was able to use its expertise including giving money to sunnis fighting because bush made sure they had no jobs.

Batiste use of the phrase the “long war” a number of times in this article is worrying but the phrase against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC is important. We need to be Kremlinologists in understanding what is being said. Some diplomacy with bushco is needed to help our troops – still I am worried about the threats or pressure Batiste may have experienced. He did tell Sam Seder shortly after he started criticizing the handling of the war that he did not think that we could abandon the Iraqis, Seder strongly objected and so do I but we need to look deeper at some of the statements by all the military at this time. I think we may be close to a coup and the military brass is trying to avoid having to do that so is strongly encouraging all of us to get involved as citizens.

Here is a very important 12 page manifesto, I think from the military, against those who want war on Iran:

http://petras.lahaine.org

]]> By: IMPEACH NOW http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183965 IMPEACH NOW Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:09:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183965 We need to start a RECALL Election for most of the traitors in Congress including the Rockefella and pelosi. I was impressed by what CA did to Feinstein. Any chances of repliating that elsewhere? Won’t work against Schumer & Clinton in NY though. Why not? They have more money than God & don’t give a FF about what the voters say. They also have control of all the D party levers. R party in the state is comatose in many places, so no opposition. <strong>--All the more reason to make that a point of attack.-</strong> think that Reid has to be confronted with the question: If you did not intend for the Judiciary Committee to fulfill its function of ensuring that legislation like this is consistent with American rights and values, why bother sending it to the Judiciary Committee at all? To submit the Intelligence Committee version to the Senate is not only disrespectful of Senator Leahy and the rest of the Judiciary Committee, it is a virtual acknowledgement that the Senate Majority Leader is willing to ignore our Rights and Freedoms when he feels like it. Is that the message you want to send? I'M SICK OF THESE THUGS AND THE ATROCITIES THEY ALLOWED IN OUR NAMES USING OUR MONEY - THROW THEM OUT NOW!!!! We need to start a RECALL Election for most of the traitors in Congress including the Rockefella and pelosi.

I was impressed by what CA did to Feinstein. Any chances of repliating that elsewhere?

Won’t work against Schumer & Clinton in NY though.

Why not?

They have more money than God & don’t give a FF about what the voters say. They also have control of all the D party levers. R party in the state is comatose in many places, so no opposition.

–All the more reason to make that a point of attack.-

think that Reid has to be confronted with the question:

If you did not intend for the Judiciary Committee to fulfill its function of ensuring that legislation like this is consistent with American rights and values, why bother sending it to the Judiciary Committee at all? To submit the Intelligence Committee version to the Senate is not only disrespectful of Senator Leahy and the rest of the Judiciary Committee, it is a virtual acknowledgement that the Senate Majority Leader is willing to ignore our Rights and Freedoms when he feels like it. Is that the message you want to send?

I’M SICK OF THESE THUGS AND THE ATROCITIES THEY ALLOWED IN OUR NAMES USING OUR MONEY – THROW THEM OUT NOW!!!!

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183963 katy Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:53:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183963 <em>weekend Righties are a hoot!! Big shoes and red rubber noses everywhere. Comment by tombaker @ 6:49 pm</em> good visual... heh... weekend Righties are a hoot!!

Big shoes and red rubber noses everywhere.

Comment by tombaker @ 6:49 pm

good visual… heh…

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183960 Lefty Patriot Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:52:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183960 Cease funding the troops, and we win, because the killing of Americans stops as we bring them home. A difficuly scenario for the right, becasue they think that they can win by committing genocide. That's not a win. Cease funding the troops, and we win, because the killing of Americans stops as we bring them home. A difficuly scenario for the right, becasue they think that they can win by committing genocide. That’s not a win.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183959 Lefty Patriot Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:50:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183959 well, to borrow from the rightard playbook, Who cares what Batiste has to say now? He's obviously been bought out, and is now on the wrong side. what can we do about it? Nothing at the moment. The fascist machine grinds ever onward, intercepting phone calls and emails domestically, and blackmailing whomever they can get their claws into. Batiste changed his mind? unlikely; it was changed for him. thjose who champion torture have no morals, so nothing they do is surprising. what's surprising is how little patriotism the right can claim. well, to borrow from the rightard playbook, Who cares what Batiste has to say now? He’s obviously been bought out, and is now on the wrong side. what can we do about it? Nothing at the moment. The fascist machine grinds ever onward, intercepting phone calls and emails domestically, and blackmailing whomever they can get their claws into. Batiste changed his mind? unlikely; it was changed for him. thjose who champion torture have no morals, so nothing they do is surprising. what’s surprising is how little patriotism the right can claim.

]]> By: whippoorwill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183958 whippoorwill Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:49:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183958 OK moonbats, you’re up…. lol bert Baptiste made it clear he was a republican who favored staying in Iraq and winning, whatever that may mean to him. He only complained about the military strategy and now that's changed he's back on board with the neocons. no news here.double yawn. OK moonbats, you’re up…. lol

bert

Baptiste made it clear he was a republican who favored staying in Iraq and winning, whatever that may mean to him. He only complained about the military strategy and now that’s changed he’s back on board with the neocons.

no news here.double yawn.

]]> By: pluege http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183957 pluege Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:41:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183957 Rockefeller is a really, really BAD democrat. He needs to go ASAP. . Rockefeller is a really, really BAD democrat. He needs to go ASAP.
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]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183955 The Republic of Stupidity Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:37:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183955 OK moonbats, you’re up…. lol *bert * Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 9:09 pm Nutroots? Moonbats? WOW... such sophisticated, informed political thought. Yer such a shining light. Gee, so I guess it is fair to call you an neo-nazi C*cksucker, huh? Bush created this nightmare, and now others will have to clean it up, and somehow... yer "successful"??? Adults could have probably prevented the enormous loss of life here, the horrific bloodshed, the crushing cost and resultant debt on the country, the alienation around the world, the new arms race, the precipitous slide of the dollar... And yer so busy pleasuring yerself you don't understand any of this. Please, have yer beloved Kommander Kodpiece bomb the F-in' shit outta Iran... and start WW III, w/ the Chinese on the other side... they do have nukes, lots of them, and a HUGe standing army. Will you enlist, Bertie? OK moonbats, you’re up…. lol

*bert

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Comment by BERT CONVY — December 9, 2007 @ 9:09 pm

Nutroots? Moonbats?

WOW… such sophisticated, informed political thought.

Yer such a shining light.

Gee, so I guess it is fair to call you an neo-nazi C*cksucker, huh?

Bush created this nightmare, and now others will have to clean it up, and somehow… yer “successful”???

Adults could have probably prevented the enormous loss of life here, the horrific bloodshed, the crushing cost and resultant debt on the country, the alienation around the world, the new arms race, the precipitous slide of the dollar…

And yer so busy pleasuring yerself you don’t understand any of this.

Please, have yer beloved Kommander Kodpiece bomb the F-in’ shit outta Iran… and start WW III, w/ the Chinese on the other side… they do have nukes, lots of them, and a HUGe standing army.

Will you enlist, Bertie?

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183954 The Republic of Stupidity Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:29:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183954 He just needs something a little catchier than “fascist”. Comment by gummitch — December 9, 2007 @ 8:18 pm ACNP? American Crypto-Nazi Party? He just needs something a little catchier than “fascist”.

Comment by gummitch — December 9, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

ACNP?

American Crypto-Nazi Party?

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183951 Zooey Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:20:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183951 ***even bigger yawn*** ***even bigger yawn***

]]> By: MiMiCcs http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183948 MiMiCcs Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:46:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183948 At some point people should stop being surprised. It is like a fire, after you get too close to it a couple of times and get burned, you figure that fire is hot. Truth is to Democracy what the Lie is to Fascism. Our Democracy is an illusion created by the Lie. We are a Fascist one party government with 2 flavors which is under transition from being a soft Fascism to a harsher version of Mussolina and Hitler. The current step in the process of breaking the news to us is a psyops tactic of creating confusion and disappointment in it's leaders, with one contradictory or unbelievable lie after another, so at some point no one will know what to believe, or will simply not believe anything. Then one day, the lights go on for the critters, they figure it out, but Blackwater and our homeland security apparatus is ready for it. Hitler targeted the Communists and Jews/Gypsies to begin with. In the US, liberals and Arabs will be targetted first. Liberal being defined as anyone questioning 9/11 or posting anti-Bush remarks on blogs. Books ordered online or checked out in libraries are checked, IP's are logged, email addresses and personal identity and residence easily obtained. There is probably a database already for those who will be relocated. Concentrations camps have already been built by Halliburton, ready to be manned by Blackwater, and then one night they come for you. In February, the critters will not be able to fly w/o DHS approval. Just in case you did not know. A German once said of his experience. First they came for the communists, but I was not a communist, so was not afraid. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew and so was not afraid, and then they came after XXX, and I was not XXX and so was not afraid, ................, and then they came after me, and there was no one left. But then again, maybe it is a bad dream. At some point people should stop being surprised. It is like a fire, after you get too close to it a couple of times and get burned, you figure that fire is hot.

Truth is to Democracy what the Lie is to Fascism. Our Democracy is an illusion created by the Lie. We are a Fascist one party government with 2 flavors which is under transition from being a soft Fascism to a harsher version of Mussolina and Hitler. The current step in the process of breaking the news to us is a psyops tactic of creating confusion and disappointment in it’s leaders, with one contradictory or unbelievable lie after another, so at some point no one will know what to believe, or will simply not believe anything.

Then one day, the lights go on for the critters, they figure it out, but Blackwater and our homeland security apparatus is ready for it.

Hitler targeted the Communists and Jews/Gypsies to begin with. In the US, liberals and Arabs will be targetted first. Liberal being defined as anyone questioning 9/11 or posting anti-Bush remarks on blogs. Books ordered online or checked out in libraries are checked, IP’s are logged, email addresses and personal identity and residence easily obtained. There is probably a database already for those who will be relocated. Concentrations camps have already been built by Halliburton, ready to be manned by Blackwater, and then one night they come for you.

In February, the critters will not be able to fly w/o DHS approval. Just in case you did not know.

A German once said of his experience. First they came for the communists, but I was not a communist, so was not afraid. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew and so was not afraid, and then they came after XXX, and I was not XXX and so was not afraid, ……………., and then they came after me, and there was no one left.

But then again, maybe it is a bad dream.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183947 Lefty Patriot Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:33:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183947 He just needs something a little catchier than “fascist”. Comment by gummitch — December 9, 2007 @ 8:18 pm Nazi is available, again. Might as well go with the old favorites, if that's the way you're going to behave. He just needs something a little catchier than “fascist”.

Comment by gummitch — December 9, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

Nazi is available, again. Might as well go with the old favorites, if that’s the way you’re going to behave.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/comment-page-5/#comment-4183946 Lefty Patriot Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:32:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/12/09/rockefeller-tapes/#comment-4183946 Time now to come on over the the RIGHT party! Comment by John Kerry — December 9, 2007 @ 8:09 pm well, the fact that Pelosi adn some others have moved closer to the RIGHT is the problem, you idiot. Why woiuld American patriots want to join with you and the other admitted enemies of our Constitution? Besides, your party ends forever in another year or so. We'll stick around to bury the corpse and jail your leaders for their treason. You, as usual, will hide under your bed. Time now to come on over the the RIGHT party!

Comment by John Kerry — December 9, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

well, the fact that Pelosi adn some others have moved closer to the RIGHT is the problem, you idiot. Why woiuld American patriots want to join with you and the other admitted enemies of our Constitution? Besides, your party ends forever in another year or so. We’ll stick around to bury the corpse and jail your leaders for their treason. You, as usual, will hide under your bed.

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