DENVER – The 24-year-old man who killed four Christians at a missions training camp and megachurch in Colorado was addicted to violence-espousing rock music and was removed from a missions training course after performing a graphic Marilyn Manson song at an otherwise religious Christmas program, according to reports.

“What is this mind altering life changing drug that has such an incredible power? Well, one of the main persons who has helped make this drug a powerful force in my life has been Marilyn Manson. … The drug that I use and am addicted to is commonly known in our culture as … Rock Music,” said the posting, among many that were removed, National Terror Alert said.

Remember, this was not written by an active fundie, but by one who pulled out (or was kicked out) from them.

Comment by RUCerious — December 11, 2007 @ 10:06 am

RG> Except that the shooter left this comment (Taken from NBC.COM)
Matthew Murray, who was kicked out of a missionary training center where the first shooting occurred, is believed to have posted the message on a Web site for people who have left evangelical religious groups. His most recent post was Sunday morning in the hours between his attacks in Arvada and Colorado Springs, according to KUSA-TV in Denver, which first reported on the writings.

“You Christians brought this on yourselves,” Murray wrote, according to the station, which did not identify the site. “All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you … as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world.”

Not exactly “fundie on fundie” as you stated. And to blame “Xian fundamentalists” is just the same kind of dufoid.

There always have been disturbed people prone to violence is alll sections of society – no one group has a corner on the nuts.

guns don’t kill people!
religion kills people!

BINGO!

oh whatever!

First, don’t blame the press for covering things people want to watch.

Second, this doesn’t come from someone wanting to be famous.

This comes from one sick, strange, lonely, religious kid feeling like his faith has been denied by his church, getting resentful, and getting a gun in a world where his personal hurt had to be someone’s fault, where it just wasn’t fair that he didn’t get to spread his faith, where the church was wrong to deny him, to hurt his precious feelings.

It comes from a culture where he learned from the president of the United States, from the TV punditocracy, from the rightwing cowboy mythology that a gun is the correct, moral and brave answer to being hurt. It comes from years of glorifying fake masculinity, fake morals, fake values, fake courage.

It comes from a religion where the Bible is less a book to read, and more a book to bash others over the head with. Where Christmas is less a celebration, more an excuse to feel victimised because someone wished you a “Happy Holiday.” It comes from a religious culture where feeling victimised is a right to be cherished.

It comes from a political atmosphere where disagreement is tantamount to treason, where not belonging in your group is not belonging anywhere and where all those who disagree are sometimes litterally defined as devil worshippers.

It comes from a very sick, very warped culture of conservatism. It comes from the religious right, and from one wierd child who took their lessons to heart and was broken by them because nothing in his life up to then had prepared him for being rejected by his community and his god.

To CaptainMantastic: I agree with your view that we as a society should not give these disturbed killers publicity. Would you extend that to internationally to disturbed killers, such as Osama bin Laden for example? Has our country given “terrorists” too much of the publicity and influence that they want by our actions?

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 11, 2007 @ 9:10 am

Unfortunately, captain, our society has been subjugated under the criminal Bush administration for almost 7 years now….

Comment by Saint Augustine — December 11, 2007 @ 8:30 am

It’s the double standard at work. This was labeled a “senseless random incident.” If the shooter was Middle Eastern, it would have been a “terrorist attack.” Even if the end result is exactly the same.

I find it also fascinating that whenever a “senseless random incident” involving people dying by guns occurs, nothing is done to to mitigate the problems, one of which is mentally unstable people having easy access to firearms. Whenever a “terrorist attack” occurs, we go bomb another country somewhere. Go figure.

What is wrong with our society that our own people are ready to kill others and themselves? For what? Why, why, why?

The only difference that I see is that here, explosives are not as readily available to the general population, yet.

Given that, why should anyone ever trust what they say?