Huckabee wants to ‘take this nation back for Christ.’
Huckabee wants to ‘take this nation back for Christ.’
In 1998, then-Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee spoke at the National Pastors’ Conference, explaining why he entered into politics:
I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives. [...]
I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.
In the past, Huckabee has also claimed that God supports Republicans. McCain, similarly, has claimed that “the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.”
UPDATE: Mother Jones has “contacted the Huckabee campaign and asked if it would help make his previous sermons available, the campaign replied in a one-sentence email that it had received multiple requests for such material and was ‘not able to accommodate’ them.”
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See, Huckabee has one of those Jesus alarm clocks, too, just like Daryll. Where do they get those?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.
Jesus already has Heaven. I guess he can settle at that.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:00 pmahh – the Arkansas Ayatollah at his best – you go get’em, Chuckleberry!!
little-known fact: Most of the Founding Fathers were actually Telvangelists, and if you don’t believe that, Chuck Norris will give you a mighty Karate-chop! of justice.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:01 pmI’ve seen your Christians and they are very much not like your Christ.
So, NO THANK YOU Huckaberry.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 10th, 2007 at 3:02 pmAnd Jesus told all of his followers to get out the vote for the leaders of his movement who were going to take over the Roman Senate and make the Roman Empire a Christian Superpower! …Wait, he didn’t? OK, never mind.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:04 pmOh, spare me from religious fanatics!!!!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:04 pmHuckabee’S Jesus is white, curly blond hair and blue eyes! Oh yeah, above his cross you can find the hitler’s swastica!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:05 pm“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”
December 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pm- Our US Constitution
STUPID is rising to epidemic levels in this country
December 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pmHuh?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pmEvery time one of these Bozos talks like that, we should remind them that there is a nice theocracy in Iran, and perhaps they should live there before inflicting their hateful superstition on the rest of us.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYou know how all the right-whiners say “I hope (Sen.) Clinton gets the nomination! She’ll lose!”
I can’t wait to watch how Huckabee will go down in flames as the US citizens say “NO!” to his thinly-veiled extremist agenda, should he manage to defy all expectations and receive the GOP nomination.
Huckabee: putting the fun back in “fundamentally flawed”!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYou know what I wish?
I wish that – just once – Jesus would actually show up in person and smite one of these lying, fanatical god-smacked morons into next week — after He told them exactly what He thinks of their bullshit…
If He did that, I would gladly worship Him. Oh yes. Gladly.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmObviously, the Huckster needs to quit the campaign trail and get himself enrolled in some remedial American History courses at a reputable college.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmJesus will bomb you here, Jesus will bomb you there… Jesus will bomb you everywhere! Hail Jesus! Hail Bush! Hail Chenney!
HAGE 09!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:08 pmLITTLE ROCK, Ark. – As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee had a hand in twice as many pardons and commutations as his three predecessors combined.
The case he’s asked about most concerns the parole of a castrated rapist who later killed a woman.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:08 pmHa!
“I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers,”
I guess that explains why Huckabee has no “real answers” when it comes to explaining why he should be the President!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pm“huck” huckabee doesn’t seem to get much of what we call “troll support”.
why is that?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmwas that before or after exacting his vendetta on what he thought was a Clinton family member and releasing a serial rapist back into society?
not to worry i am sure that Je$u$ won’t mind the ensuing lie fest.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmI wish these idiots would get Raptured and leave the rest of us in peace.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pmHuckabible believes kooky things for religious reasons — in things like creationism, which he thinks should be taught in the public schools. Doesn’t anybody think it’s worth asking whether a nation fighting to remain technologically competitive can afford a president who — for religious reasons — wants to encourage as many children as possible to join him in scientific illiteracy?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pmHitler and Mussolini were Christians too!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:11 pm“I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers”
It is thinking like this that gave us the response to hurricane Katrina. When we put Government in the hands of people who don’t think it can work; lo and behold, it doesn’t! And bodies float in the flooded streets.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:11 pmI’m taking it back for ZEUS!!! WHO’S WITH ME?!?!?!?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:14 pmHe looks goofy as hell in that picture. Who was he saluting? Chuck Norris?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:15 pmNot Jesus, Corporate Jesus!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:15 pmAmerican Taliban…
December 10th, 2007 at 3:17 pmHitler and Mussolini and Bush have Christianity in common!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:17 pmHAGE 09!
…and the current Pope IS an ex NAZI!!!!!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:19 pmActually, as a practicing Christian (compared to the likes of Bush and co.), I would also like to “take this nation back for Christ”.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:19 pmYou know, a nation that believes in tolerance of others, no matter what skin color, sexuality, or religion.
A nation that would never attack another based on lies, false premises, and propaganda for the almighty dollar.
A nation that would never torture another human being.
A nation that helps the poor in a time of need.
A nation that would never let it’s children go hungry.
(Wow, so Huckabee’s a progressive like myself? Whoda thunkit??)
FACISM is well and alive in the USA!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBut Buddha has more hit points and a better armor class. I think Christ may need a few more levels before he can take it back.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:21 pmDRxJ, well said!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:21 pmBut Buddha has more hit points and a better armor class. I think Christ may need a few more levels before he can take it back.
Comment by Zandar
OMG!! It must be a decade since I haven’t heard AD & D lingo. Thanks!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:23 pmBush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Negroponte and all Straussians.
LA HAYA 09
December 10th, 2007 at 3:25 pmShouldn’t Christ be able to handle this task on his own if he really gave a shit one way or the other?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:26 pmComment by DRxJ — December 10, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
I’m thinking of starting a group called Atheists for Christ. We promote the philosophy of JC without the god fiction.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:26 pmI’m with ya, Marcus, RE #37
December 10th, 2007 at 3:27 pmCrom will not be pleased with this Huckaberry.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pm…and the current Pope IS an ex NAZI!!!!!
Comment by sacopenapa — December 10, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Are we sure about the “ex” part?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmeight years under a Christain theocratic rule have brought us unending war, rapidly spreading poverty, and a flood of biblical proportions in New Orleans. I think we might need a rest from Christ’s “followers” for a while.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.
I hope we answer the alarm clock and take fictional characters out politics forever.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:31 pmthe linked article was written in 1998, but it’s so interesting that Huckabee is the same today.
How many of us can say we’re the same as we were in 1998?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“Shouldn’t Christ be able to handle this task on his own if he really gave a shit one way or the other?
Comment by dbadass”
kept pretty busy turning bush’s water into wine.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pmI’m thinking of starting a group called Atheists for Christ. We promote the philosophy of JC without the god fiction.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — December 10, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Good one. Be sure to get a good bulletproof vest, you know how them “christians” like to shoot abortion doctors and other assorted athiests
December 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmAtheists all ready do that Marcus, that is our basic stance on things, you know the, “Be good, and do good.” Bad behavior has no rewards, good behavior does have rewards.
It’s just that the Invisible Magical Faerie in the Sky does not make sense, even I figured that one out at about 9 years old.
Buck Fush
December 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmHow many of us can say we’re the same as we were in 1998?
Comment by Zooey — December 10, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Who the F)(K would want to be the same as we were in 98?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmMuslims can call for establishment of Sharia in America you clowns stay silent.
And Peter Pan called for Tinkerbellism to be established in NeverLand too!
Jackass
December 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pmIs Jesus aware I want him to get into politics?
Only I know for sure, because I have his cell #.
In fact, I called him last just yesterday afternoon.
You should have heard what he called me! (Don’t call him Sunday afternoons, he’s a big NFL fan.)
A vote for me is a vote for Jesus!
Let’s get Christ into politics, where he belongs.
My plan for America is drive-thru Churches. People are busy. We need to make church more convenient.
At my ‘First Baptist drive-thru Bank & Church, you can ‘pay as you go with the Man in the know’! Tithing has never been easier! In fact, you well to do Republicans can now buy your way into Heaven! We’ll work with you so you can make monthly payments toward Glory while depositing your paycheck and making deposits on your moral fiber.
The next time some liberal tells you to go to Hell, you can say, ‘Oh no, I already bought my way into Heaven!’
‘Serving it up while serving you’ is First Baptist’s new logo.
See you Sunday, and don’t forget your checkbook.
Mikie Hyuckabee
December 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pmPO Box 2
Mayberry, RFD
For more background on Mike Huckabee the dangerous extremist and radical reactionary, see:
December 10th, 2007 at 3:35 pm“Top 10 Moments in Mike Huckabee’s Extremism.”
Who the F)(K would want to be the same as we were in 98?
Comment by RUCerious
I wouldn’t mind having my hairline back…Or the same president I had in 98 either…
December 10th, 2007 at 3:38 pm“Then again this website is runned by Muslims and Atheists.”
somebody needs to do some serious reading.
start with Kennedy’s speech re: religion in politics
then go to what the people who started this country had to say about it.
An awful lot of these Righties make it very clear they have no idea what America means.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:39 pm[megatron is one easily amused mo fo. Still gettin' some mileage out of his Fisher-Price hardware, I'm sure]
December 10th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“runned by”
who do you really think is laughing????
December 10th, 2007 at 3:41 pmwhen a Christian speaks you guys get angry.
No, when a potential president of our nation reveals the nonsense he holds as truth, we freak out. We freak because if this nutjob manages to get elected, the America we grew up in will be gone in a unitary presidential heartbeat.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThis website is closed minded and totalitarian.
Aren’t you confusing TP with RedState?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:43 pmPerhaps the U.S. will need Jesus to survive,
December 10th, 2007 at 3:43 pmif you pronounce it Hay-Zeus.
Who the F)(K would want to be the same as we were in 98?
Comment by RUCerious — December 10, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Huckabee! :P
December 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pmMeggiepoop – I have YET to hear Clinton, Edwards or ANY OTHER DEMOCRAT claim that “Jesus wants them to be President.”
Unlike your retarded reichwing crew – who all brag about being Jesus’s BFF.
So, until they do, shut the fleck up, ya stupid troll.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBeen drinking again, Darryll…?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAhh, I knew Daryll would pop up sooner or later.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:49 pmIs Huckaberry gay?
My wife and I will be doing the same next week (trying to instill the master creator back into Rio De Janeiro).
Comment by Daryll
Is this some sort of a sex act involving a twister board, a jug of canola oil and a burro?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pmMiniTron, it doesn’t matter what the other planks of his platform are, his sad devotion to fundi xianism renders takes precedence over his other views. His anti-science bias renders him a non-electable candidate.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pmFinally, somebody makes sense. This is the reason why President-Elect Huckabee has my vote. He is predestined by God to lead this country. He is trying to instill God back into American society. My wife and I will be doing the same next week (trying to instill the master creator back into Rio De Janeiro).
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Make sure you do your missionary work down on the beach, Daryll. You want to be sure to get your money’s worth.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pmMy wife and I will be doing the same next week (trying to instill the master creator back into Rio De Janeiro).
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Take pictures!
Hope you don’t get knifed!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmCHL, and Edwards is right, Jesus would be shocked at this administration’s neglect and hubris.
Unlike Huckaberry, however, Edwards does not believe the world is 6,000 years old.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmMake sure you do your missionary work down on the beach, Daryll. You want to be sure to get your money’s worth.
Comment by gummitch — December 10, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Is that the opposite of “doggy style” work?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pm(…and a collective groan is easily heard from the peanut gallery).
Sorry, my bad. I’ll get back to work now.
Besides, I have a feeling Parodyll has now idea what I’m even talking about
My wife and I will be doing the same next week (trying to instill the master creator back into Rio De Janeiro).
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Yeah right, you are just going down to get naked and party…
December 10th, 2007 at 3:54 pmDid you guys know Huckabee is an economic Populist?
He’s anti-Big Business, anti-Globalization and Free trade.
He’s for higher spending for education and for expanded Healthcare coverage.
I bet TP didn’t tell you this!
Comment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
He supports the institution of the “fair tax” which is entirely regressive (and ridiculous). I hear he’s a pretty good bass player, though. It’s just a shame he doesn’t stick to music.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHuckabee does not need to push his God on the American people.
He is a total NUT!!!!!!!!!
We do not need another Republican in the White House. Eight years of Old Bush was enough.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“You Leftsist claim to be open minded yet when a Christian speaks you guys get angry.”
Comment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Nonsense. I don’t get angry when a Christian speaks — they are entitled to enjoy the freedom of the First Amendment as much as anybody else. Furthermore, I’M a Christian, so it wouldn’t make sense for me to condemn someone whose beliefs were the same as mine now, would it?
What I DO get angry about is people who call themselves Christians, yet exploit Jesus Christ in decidedly non-Christian ways to further purely political agendas. The Jesus I know and follow does not advocate pre-emptive strikes on other nations, does not condone torture, does not screw the poor in favor of funding the rich, and wouldn’t deny anyone decent healthcare.
Now, about Huckabee specifically? If he wants to “take back this nation for Christ,” he must first realize that we’ve never been a Christian nation in the first place — but we ARE a country where all religious views are respected. I recommend he go back and re-read BOTH the U.S. Constitution and the Sermon on the Mount.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pmWhy the hell does christ give two sh1ts about America? America didn’t even exist when he was arguably alive. Is Huckabee a mormon?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pmReal Americans don’t want to live in a Theocracy – never have.
Theocracies are what those terrorist countries have.
Theocracy is why they are bad, and can’t manage to reform themselves enough to gain acceptance in the larger community of nations.
We can’t/won’t defeat terrorist theocracies by becoming a theocracy.
What compels you people to think that a retreat to the Dark Ages will do anyone a damn bit of good is way beyond me.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pmDevoutly religious people are the most dangerous people on earth; I do not want to go anywhere with them.
Just take the devoutly religious, the GOP and other herd-menality people back to where you want to go – then stay there.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pmDaryll be sure to eat up and enjoy. I am still unsure about you and the fellows and your planned hunger strike. I know you have jumped around with your choice of candidates through time which seems weird as i thought your God talked to you about this stuff in dreams. The thing with this h=unger strike you were talking about is that you already are on recorded as saying God had the election under control. What the hell doe he need you and the bboys sitting around the church starving yourself. What is the freakin point of that?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmChl, and how is the the Dem’s commenting on their understanding of the teachings of jesus in relation to our current government’s actions at all analgous to repubs’ claiming that Jesus talks to them, or that Jesus is a reppublican, or that god told them to invade iraq?
December 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmDevoutly religious people are the most dangerous people on earth; I do not want to go anywhere with them.
My maternal grandfather was a fundie from the midwest.
He didn’t believe in heart transplants, because God gave you your heart and it should be the only one you give to him…
He too, was a pretty good bass player…
December 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmIf you want to live in a theocracy, the the United States is NOT the country for you. Love it, or leave it.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmYet when C.A.I.R members openly call for making America an Islamic nation you Leftists stay silent.
Your joking right? Nobody has heard of these clowns, and nobody cares.
Huckabee on the other hand is running for president.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmBadass invokes Jesus
“Jesus Christ will you shut the hell up”
December 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmFinally, somebody makes sense. This is the reason why President-Elect Huckabee has my vote. He is predestined by God to lead this country. He is trying to instill God back into American society. My wife and I will be doing the same next week (trying to instill the master creator back into Rio De Janeiro).
Comment by Daryll
Read this:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religionâ€
- Our US Constitution
And then read it again and again and again until you understand it.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pm“Yet when C.A.I.R members openly call for making America an Islamic nation you Leftists stay silent.”
Because we “leftists” generally tend to ignore the ignorant, unless they post here. (hint)
December 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmObama invokes Jesus:
Comment by cold_hard_left
This is standard politics. What Huckabee is selling is very different, and you know it.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pmdid you know he wants to close down Gitmo?
Did you know he’s an Enviornmentalist?
Comment by Megatron
December 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pmCare to source those claims?
I think Huckabee has spent just a little to much time riding in his car on the Arkansas highways with that plastic Jesus stuck to the dashboard.
He speaks to the plastic Jesus and the plastic Jesus talks back!
America can simply not stand another Jesus Freak in the White House, one has been enough to damm near sink this country into oblivion.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmHe is trying to instill God back into American society. My wife and I will be doing the same next week (trying to instill the master creator back into Rio De Janeiro).
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Isn’t there a HUGE statue of Christ already in Rio? (I do believe it is called christ the redeemer)
Aren’t the Brazilian people already overwhelmingly Christian?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmObama invokes Jesus:
Comment by cold_hard_left
I thought he was a secert muslim extremist? Get your crazy straight.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmHuckabuck:”I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.”
Memo to Huckauck: What strategy did you think the idiot President used to crawl back into the Oval office again (with a lot of help from Tubby McTreason Rove) for his second terlm?: FAITH and FAMILY VALUES!
December 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmCHL – Trying the old, “your side does it too”, man you are such an idiot, totally an idiot.
1. No one says that Jesus was not a good person and professed doing good for others. We all know his teachings were good.
2. We Atheists believe that Jesus had very good advice and teachings on life. But we don’t buy the God thing. Just the doing good part from Jesus.
3. Christians in the USA are not very Christ like.
4. Believing that the world is 6000 years old because of religion is ignorance at it’s worst.
5. You are an ignorant moron that is the worst.
Buck Fush
December 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmHuckabee = Christofascism
December 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmIf Jesus were to appear in person on Huckabee’s doorstep, I’d bet my last dollar that he’d call the cops and complain about some dirty hippy asking for handouts to help some lazy good for nothing slacker who should pull himself up by the bbotstraps.
I always laugh at those greedy right wingers that repeat the quote: “God helps those who help themselves.”
Nice quote, but the problem is it isn’t from the Bible, its from Ben Franklin, a deist.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmclearly huckabee and the taliban have a lot in common.
what this country needs is an atheist candidate, or at least one who conforms to the doctrine of separation of church and state.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmto hell with religion!
DigDug, you are very close-minded for a so-called “progressive,†and you know it.
Comment by cold_hard_left
Classic ad hominem attack. Care to add an actual arguement to that?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmComment by dim wit — December 10, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
December 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmApparently they have misplaced it. No worries Daryll and his crack team of force this down your throaters are on the case
The fact is that Christ was a liberal which is precisely why he was hunted by the “establishment” at the time. Huckabee is absolutely the antithesis of true christian beliefs by his radical reichwing philosophy. This man is not only dangerous to this country but would definitely take us back another hundred years. If he were to be elected, this country would be in the midst of it’s own civil war.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pmMy faith is my life – it defines me. My faith doesn’t influence my decisions, it drives them. For example, when it comes to the environment, I believe in being a good steward of the earth. I don’t separate my faith from my personal and professional lives.
Mike Huckabee
From his website!
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.Home
If a man, defined by his Faith, believes he should smite Muslims, with nuclear weapons, would he do so?
Can we afford to take the risk?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pmSeparation of Church and State is what makes this country a true democracy. If the Christofascist wingnuts don’t like it, then they can move the hell out.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmWatch it, citizen – Franklin’s thinking is waaayyyyy too racy, urban, and “worldly” for Modern (righty) Americans….
we’re still working on whether to accept that science is real, or just the result of angelic influences on the material world…
December 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmAren’t the Brazilian people already overwhelmingly Christian?
Comment by dim wit — December 10, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Daryll and his sweet little wife are going into the favelas of Rio — as if those people don’t have enough trouble.
Hence, my wish that they not get knifed.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmReichwing christian extremists are precisely as dangerous as the radical muslims – they’ve lost touch with their true spiritual foundation and have jumped off the deep end – one filled with judgment, division, and hatred.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pmCHL: Hit the road if you don’t like it but our founding fathers intentionally separated church and state. A good primer on constitutional law would be my suggestion for some remedial work for yourself.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pmThe fact is that it’s precisely the reichwing christian extremists who are the bigots and hypocrites.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pmtrying to instill the master creator back into Rio De Janeiro…is this legal in Brazil?
Must be Carnivale time, eh Daryll?
I’d go too, but I have to earn a living. Jeez, you fundies must be rolling in cash. I guess it helps to have strangers giving money each Sunday.
When did the master creator get out of the bottle? Can you distill before you instill? Do you get 3 wishes?
Hyuckabee; not just for Baptists anymore!
December 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI’m having a hard time deciding if Pete’s comment or Veritas’ comment is the most ridiculous piece of anti-religious bigotry I have ever heard.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 10, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Why don’t you just go back to your compulsive masturbation, and give it some thought?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmGuess what CHL: The decision over inane, ridiculous commentary has already been won – by YOU. Thanks for playing, wingnut.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmHey Zooey: Time to smack down this piss-soaked troll once and for all. Such an easy mark – like child’s play.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThat’s why when people say, ‘We ought to separate politics from religion,’ I say to separate the two is absolutely impossible”.
Huckabee believes in Biblical inerrancy
Huckabee has voiced his support of creationism. He was quoted in July 2004 on Arkansans Ask, his regular show on the Arkansas Educational Television Network: “I think that students also should be given exposure to the theories not only of evolution but to the basis of those who believe in creationism.” Huckabee also stated “I do not necessarily buy into the traditional Darwinian theory, personally.”[
December 10th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIn the Third GOP Debate in June 2007, Huckabee was asked by Tom Fahey whether he believed in evolution, and he responded, in part: "I believe there is a God who was active in the creation process. Now, how did he do it, and when did he do it, and how long did he take? I don’t honestly know, and I don’t think knowing that would make me a better or a worse president."[145] Huckabee’s position is that acceptance of evolution is not relevant to being President.[146][147]
Mega: I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt but he’s his own worst enemy. Last week he didn’t even know what the NIE stands for – this week he’s of the mindset that everyone needs to be Christian. I don’t call lthat truly “helping it’s citizens” or being part of our democracy.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmMugatroll – yeah, so Edwards, Clinton and Obama MENTION Jesus and their faith. So…? So what? I did NOT say that they never mentioned their faith.
What I said was that NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT has EVER claimed that Jesus wants them to be President — -unlike Suckabee.
Obtuse much?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmHuckster’s website is just a goddamn piece of html…
Look at his debate statements, his speeches and his actions.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmInteresting that TP didn’t mention Mitt Romney’s recent tremendously powerful, ground-swelling speech: “Faith in America,†but manages to recall a Huckabee speech to a meeting of pastors almost ten years ago.
Even Pat Buchanan liked Romney’s speech.
For those of you who knowingly missed or ignored it, here a small quote from Romeny’s speech.
That quote was from Romney’s speech on Thursday December 6, 2007. Days ago.
For the uninitiated, this line from Romney’s speech is what as know as “heralding the Evangel†– preaching. A presidential candidate was preaching. What a country!
Broadcast live – as far as I know, I heard it while I was driving – to the entire nation, it was for believers a very moving speech. Romney commented extensively on the influence of faith, especially Christianity, on the United States.
Hard to imagine that TP missed this speech.
Huckabee, in contrast, is quoted as saying he got into politics because the country needs Christ. He said that almost 10 years ago.
I like persistence in a candidate.
Huckabee’s motivation was belief.
Romney is strong in his belief.
Don’t think the U.S. is ready to elect a candidate who really doesn’t believe anything.
Apparently, TPers can’t stand the fact that in the twenty-first century the most compelling, most unspoken, most influential question is this: Does God exits?
GBA!!
December 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmMeg – those are all good p.r. bullets in Huck’s favor, but they’re not enough to make him a good President.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmGive him a break.
Comment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
His ideas about “taking the nation back for Christ” cancel out EVERYTHING else, f_ckwit.
Can you possibly understand that?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe only reason Huckleberry Hound is gaining momentum is that the GOP is horrified at the prospect of Miss Rudy becoming their candidate. The mafia dirt on Rudy is already a mile high and that doesn’t even come close to his personal life of stealing from the people of NY. The GOP knows that swiftboating will reach a new precedent if Rudy is their guy; ergo, enter reichwing Huckleberry.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmTom Baker: Absolutely.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmGeesh: Daryl – I didn’t realize that Huckleberry hound is ordained or cannonized?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThanks Megatron,
I checked out the links, and at least on those issues he’s not sounding crazy, although if all he wants to do is move gitmo to Kansas, he’s not dealing with the core problem: that we’re holding and torturing people with no end in sight and no reason other than we can. (in my opinion.)
I agree with him on energy independence. he agrees with another southern Christian politican on this issue: Jimmy Carter.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmShame on you for crapping your religious droppings all over this web site, darling.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmRomney’s speech couldn’t touch the footnotes on Kennedy’s religion speech. Romney thinks Jesus is a space alien that hung out with Indians, and that non-believers are equal to animals, and not human.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmmea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa – then! ROTFLMAO ‘ man of god’ eh-hehehehe.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pm136 – we could hope, but for now America’s not grownup enough to accept that.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pm….the most compelling, most unspoken, most influential question is this: Does God exits?
Comment by bitblt — December 10, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
This one gets my vote for the most twisted and unintentionally funny comment of the century. :-D
December 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmground-swelling speech: “Faith in America,â€
No ground swelled around these parts. I don’t have tv but I read multiple news sources a day. Other then passing mention of reworking JFK speech and substituting the word Mormon for Catholic, no one noticed any geologic abnormalities
December 10th, 2007 at 4:18 pmtombaker: Romney’s really looking pathetic these days. He’s wants to double the Gitmo style torture, too. Now that’s primo for a so-dubbed man of god….another major looney-tune.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:18 pm” I rebuke that demonic spirit that has taken over your mind, IN THE NAME OF JESUS!!!!
Comment by Daryll —”
Thank you Daryll…I can’t help but notice that you didn’t deny the ungodly lust in your heart however…
December 10th, 2007 at 4:18 pmY – he’s toast – just like the others.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pmComment by Bobwurst — December 10, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
I rebuke that demonic spirit that has taken over your mind, IN THE NAME OF JESUS!!!!
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Hey, congrats Bobwurst.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pmApparently, TPers can’t stand the fact that in the twenty-first century the most compelling, most unspoken, most influential question is this: Does God exits?
GBA!!
Comment by bitblt
I see it differently.
Apparently, Christian Conservatives can’t stand the fact that in the twenty-first century the most compelling, most unspoken, most influential question is this: Does God exits?
The reason most Christians are looking forward to the End Times is because they’re dying for some real proof.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pmDoes God exits what? The house? The theatre? The mall?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmComment by Bobwurst — December 10, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
I rebuke that demonic spirit that has taken over your mind, IN THE NAME OF JESUS!!!!
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Congrats Bobwurst, you’ve been exorcized on line!
December 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThanks Zooey, I think my work here is done.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmFor real Daryll, What’s up with the hunger strike. Will you be starting your own blog as I suggested? I really think people would learn from this.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmThanks Zooey, I think my work here is done.
Comment by Bobwurst — December 10, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Don’t count on it.
Take the rest of the day off, but be back here tomorrow, 8 a.m. SHARP!
December 10th, 2007 at 4:22 pm“That’s all I’m saying.
Give the man a chance, don’t hate him for no reason.
Comment by Megatron ”
Your man released a serial rapist solely because he hated Clinton. That rapist raped and killed after he was out. That is a reason.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:22 pmHaven’t any of you noticed the way that Drudge is attacking Huckabee lately?
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 10, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
That would require reading Drudge’s tripe and giving a damn what he has to say about anything. So, no.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThis has turned into one freakin hilarious thread, with Daryll exorcising, megatron bleating, God exiting stage left, top drawer comedy folks!
December 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWe have the blood of Jesus covering us, Pastor Jennings and other Truth of God members.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
You think they’ll let you off the plane, all covered in gore? Ew.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pm“We have the blood of Jesus covering us, Pastor Jennings and other Truth of God members.
Comment by Daryll ”
I knew it was a orgy. Is paster Jennings related to Ted Haggard?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIf he won the 2008 election, He would work good with the Democrats in Congress as he’s on their side economically.
That’s all I’m saying.
Give the man a chance, don’t hate him for no reason.
Comment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
I don’t hate anyone, except George W. Bush.
If you can’t see that someone who wants to make our government into the American Taliban, your more stupid than any of us thought.
Feel better now?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWe have the blood of Jesus covering us, Pastor Jennings and other Truth of God members.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Eww. Don’t you ever shower?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pmAnd God exists, stage right…
December 10th, 2007 at 4:25 pmThis has turned into one freakin hilarious thread, with Daryll exorcising, megatron bleating, God exiting stage left, top drawer comedy folks!
Comment by RUCerious — December 10, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
It’s an impressive display of whackery, that’s for sure.
I would think, though, that God would need to exeunt, with all that Trinity stuff going. A mere exit won’t cut it.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:25 pmLawyers and businessmen started America.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pmEat the Jesus freaks.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 10, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Yeah that’s what the said about Willy Horton, but I didn’t believe that either did you?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pmTrust me, we will, especially at post stop 9 (homosexual part of Copacabana Beach). Jesus said, “Go ye out into the world and preach my Gospelâ€. We must assist in the diversion of sinful ways, acts and urges.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
I never doubted you’d find a way to check out the naked guys, Daryll. Just be sure to wear your sunglasses so no one will know for sure what you’re looking at.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pm“Progressives†are sure zealous of their Athiest beliefs. It’s almost as if Athiesm is a religion. But it couldn’t be, or the “Progressives’ †heads would explode.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 10, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
So would the English language, not that you’d notice.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:27 pm“That is an often repeated lie Bobwurst. It was the parole board made up of Democrat governor appointees that released the man.
Comment by cold_hard_left”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html
The only liar here is you C_H_L…
December 10th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWe have the blood of Jesus covering us, Pastor Jennings and other Truth of God members.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
you killed jesus?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:28 pmboy, are you in trouble now!
Daryll,
I didn’t know beaches could be homosexual.
Do you know of any bisexual beaches? I like the tide in and out…
December 10th, 2007 at 4:28 pmHumility, glory and thanks for his works.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
So what6 the hell do you do when he goes apeshit and wipes all kinds of folks out like say the Christmas tsunami? Let me guess, Hunger Strike?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:28 pmCatholics not Christians. And, no, there government supports open sexuality and passion. We must end this.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
There you go, fundamentalist dribble at its dribbliest.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmAnd, no, there government supports open sexuality and passion. We must end this.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
In that case, can I join ya!! I especially dig the passion part
December 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThe Religious Right has been telling us that the United States was founded on Christianity. However, that is nothing more than propaganda, to appease the Christian Fundamentalist, Dominionist, and other fanatics who are attempting to create a Theocracy in this country. Here are the facts: The Declaration of Independence nowhere states the idea of a Christian nation. In fact, the wording is:
“the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s Godâ€
“all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rightsâ€
“Laws of Nature and Nature’s God,†and “their Creator†is as far as the Founding Fathers wanted to go, they did not describe a Christian God. Period end of story, however, we know that the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist, cannot accept this at face value, so we will take a look at the lives of a few of our Founding Fathers.
George Washington: Washington revealed almost nothing to indicate his spiritual frame of mind, hardly a mark of a devout Christian. In his thousands of letters, the name of Jesus Christ never appears. He rarely spoke about his religion, but his Freemasonry experience points to a belief in deism. Washington’s initiation occurred at the Fredericksburg Lodge on 4 November 1752, later becoming a Master mason in 1799, and remained a freemason until he died. To the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789, Washington said that every man “ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.” After Washington’s death, Dr. Abercrombie, a friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had interrogated him about Washington’s religion replied, “Sir, Washington was a Deist.”
Thomas Jefferson: Even most Christians do not consider Jefferson a Christian. In many of his letters, he denounced the superstitions of Christianity. He did not believe in spiritual souls, angels or godly miracles. Although Jefferson did admire the morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not think him divine, nor did he believe in the Trinity or the miracles of Jesus. In a letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787, he wrote, “Question with boldness even the existence of a god.” Jefferson believed in materialism, reason, and science. He never admitted to any religion but his own. In a letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, 25 June 1819, he wrote, “You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.”
James Madison: Called the father of the Constitution, Madison had no conventional sense of Christianity. In 1785, Madison wrote in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments: “During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”
Benjamin Franklin: Although Franklin received religious training, his nature forced him to rebel against the irrational tenets of his parents Christianity. His Autobiography revels his skepticism, “My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself.
Thomas Paine: This freethinker and author of several books, influenced more early Americans than any other writer. Although he held Deist beliefs, he wrote in his famous The Age of Reason: “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. ” “Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. ”
The final proof that our Founding Fathers DID NOT create a CHRSITIAN NATION is found in a little known document called the “Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary,” most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states:
“As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
“So here we have a clear admission by the United States that our government did not found itself upon Christianity. Unlike the Declaration of Independence, this treaty represented U.S. law as all treaties do according to the Constitution (see Article VI, Sect. 2).
Although the Christian exclusionary wording in the Treaty of Tripoli only lasted for eight years and no longer has legal status, it clearly represented the feelings of our Founding Fathers at the beginning of the U.S. government.â€
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
At the end of the day, if we are to continue to be a GREAT nation based on the FREE EXPRESSION of FAITH, and continue to improve ourselves by embracing the DIVERSITY, which made us GREAT, then we must, by all means, resist and refute the Religious Right, our future as a FREE nation depends on the outcome of this struggle against dominionism and theocracy.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmDaryll,
I didn’t know beaches could be homosexual.
Do you know of any bisexual beaches? I like the tide in and out…
Comment by Zimzone — December 10, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
C’mon, you know he meant the naked man beaches!
December 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pm“Go ye out into the world and preach my Gospelâ€
Daryll
Most folk will quote the chapter and verse of the passage they’re reciting Daryll, unless of course they are just blindly repeating what others have said with really thinking….
December 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWell, with me you never know if it’s spelling, typing, or something more fundamental…
Should have been, “Does God exists?”
December 10th, 2007 at 4:32 pmWe have the blood of Jesus covering us, Pastor Jennings and other Truth of God members.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
That only works in D&D.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:32 pmHe’s also a religious nut job. Disqualified.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAnd, no, there government supports open sexuality and passion.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Ohhh baby, sign me up.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pmShould have been, “Does God exists?â€
Comment by bitblt — December 10, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Keep trying, babes. Third time is the charm.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“Ted Haggard. He has redeemed his soul. Have you saved your soul, today?
Comment by Daryll —”
You’re a fool drywall. and when you die, god will tell you so.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:35 pmNo, but I do know a man, whom can set you free.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Larry Craig?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:36 pmCatholics not Christians. And, no, there government supports open sexuality and passion. We must end this.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
troll
December 10th, 2007 at 4:36 pmAlso, stop criticizing Ted Haggard. He has redeemed his soul. Have you saved your soul, today?
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
How the hell do you know he has? Is this more “dream info”? I did save that racoon in the middle of the road this morning. Can I count its sole?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:36 pmHow the hell do you know he has? Is this more “dream info� I did save that racoon in the middle of the road this morning. Can I count its sole?
Comment by dbadass — December 10, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
A raccoon in shoes?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmHey Daryll, wrap your god-addled brain around this: How could, and why would Haggard redeem himself when Jesus already redeemed him? Didn’t Jesus die to redeem the sins of mankind? That would seem to include even the most unsavory people – OBL, Pol Pot, Stalin, Jeffey Dahmer, and the like. Isn’t in comforting to know that Jesus forgave everybody? You wouldn’t go judging people, now would you?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmNo, but I do know a man, whom can set you free.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Larry Craig?
Comment by LividLib — December 10, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
No I am pretty confident he means Sting
December 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Who let The Joker back in the room?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmDrywall,
What airport are you flying out of? Maybe we can meet up in the men’s room?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmWe are on a religous mission from God to remove Satan from their local government.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
While I am for removing the bad things government does I also see that electing George did not accomplish anything like that, in fact it resulted in more corruption, not less.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmComment by dbadass — December 10, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
HEATHEN!!
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Nice one, dbadass. ;)
December 10th, 2007 at 4:41 pmCatholics not Christians. And, no, there government supports open sexuality and passion. We must end this.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Uh, the original Christians are ….. Catholics…Duh…
Maybe we should alert the Federales that D is on his way down there. They might do us a favor and lock his loony ass up. I doubt they have internets in Brazilian prison.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:41 pmComment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
F_ck off, Joker.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmA raccoon in shoes?
Comment by gummitch — December 10, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
I thought the same at first till I noticed how well the little fellow was maneuvering on the black ice.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pm“We’ll meet up, and I will tell you what thus saith the Lord, and may tarry with you for the Holy Ghost
December 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pmComment by Daryll”
Cool, Is the “Holy Ghost” like “the shocker”?
If Jesus wants to come on down and declare his candidacy, I’m all ears–he’s tough on poverty, hunger. Human rights. Great on healthcare. Believes in separation of church and state. Oh that’s right–he’s a ferriner. Keep him the hell out of this country.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pmPS, Drywall, if you don’t know what a shocker is, ask your wife to explain it…
December 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pmMike Huckabee’s record of pursuing policy based on his religious beliefs is far too extensive to link in depth. I didn’t need to research past his website, which I’ll link, again:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.Home
I surfed around his website and I’m convinced that he has, and will continue to, favor his “gut feelings” without his religion being a factor. His stated beliefs, and his voting record are very clear. And, in his own words:
Let us remember, as people of faith, that our primary mission is not to have a political ideology, it’s to change the world so that every man, woman, boy, and girl can experience true freedom. Not just the freedom to speak out, but the freedom within to be all God ever intended for us to be. I would suggest that we need an evangelical version of Shock and Awe. That we would show this country that the people of faith are not just angry folks mad about some things we don’t like, but people who have joy in our hearts. People who want to help those without housing to find it, those without drinking water to drink it, to help people who are hungry at night to know what it is to have food. And you know, some people say, “Are you worried that the government might try to do it,†and yes I am, but I’m even more worried the church won’t do it, and the government will mess up trying. That’s why those of us who are people of faith need to act out of our souls and consciousness, and not expect government to do what we could do if every believer, instead of sending half of his money to the government in taxes, would give one dime out of every dollar to his church.
I find those words, and many others, very disturbing. He also has an, oft quoted, disdain for science.
I didn’t say anything against Mr. Huckabee; I asked two valid questions. Based on his own words and deeds:
1. Would he smite enemies with nuclear weapons based on his Faith? Or, his “gut feelings” if you prefer.
2. Can we afford to take the risk?
BTW trolls; the thread is about the Huckster, not Edwards or anyone else. No one else, in the Presidential race, has the same record of excluding arguments against his Faith. If you doubt me, a short Google search will cure your ignorance. I will leave you to form your own opinions, as I have, based on his record, and his words.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI say let’s flag him because I will!
Comment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Whatever. Knock yourself out.
F_ck off.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:46 pmLet’s not forget the Cathars (wiped out by the Catholics). They were the closest thing to Atheists for Jesus organized religion has ever offered.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWe are on a religous mission from God to remove Satan from their local government.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
All foolin aside Daryll, Why does God need you to do this? Why can’t it do it themselves? You are on record as saying that the outcome of the presidential election in the United States has already been decided by your God. If this God can handle things there, why does he/she/it need you to trapse all the way to Rio? Thanks for clarifiying this for me
December 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pmDo you really want someone in charge of our nuclear arsenal who thinks Armageddon is coming soon and that it’s a good thing?
December 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pmRe 229:
As near as I can tell, That means he’ll give a hand job under the stall, If you’ll stick your thumb up his a$$ and wiggle it. While singing “What a friend we have in Jesus”.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:49 pmRelax southernman, drywall’s just looking for a little larrycraig action, with a side of Foley.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI can’t take any candidate’s stand on education seriously if he thinks the world is only 6000 years old. Sorry–I’m sure Huck is a decent fellow, but I don’t want any more policy makers who will go against the evidence of their own eyes for the imagined whisperings of his god.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmGee – if this thread is as heated as contentious as it is, imagine what kind of state we’d be in were we to elect an enthusiastically religious President – we could have our own version of Sunnis and Shiites killing each other to prove who God loves best. Catholics could burn Methodist Churches, Episcopalian Militias could shoot Baptists in drive-by’s, and the Lutherans would all just have to hide until the rest had killed enough of each other to make it safe to set foot outdoors.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmThe New Testament, the book of Acts I believe, says that the followers of Christian were first called Christians at a place called Antioch.
There were no qualifiers on the word “Christians†such as Catholic Christians. If there had been a qualifier on Christians I suppose it would have been Antioch Christians.
You can claim that Catholics were the first Christians, but I don’t think you can prove it with the Bible.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Nope! I’ve never given a thought, nor had any doubt, about the after life. Are you that “blessed”?
December 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmDon’t demonize him.
Comment by Megatron — December 10, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Megaturd – he’s insane. He talks to God on his cell phone. The man needs to be locked up in a rubber room.
And, sweets, it really ain’t your call anyway. I can demonize anyone I want – including you, including the rest of your idiotic ilk, not to mention our batshit crazy blood-covered pal Darryll — and I don’t even need a good reason (as in the case of Suckabee). So…get over it.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI find it breathtaking that Daryll calls the other posters on this thread ignorant.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmYeah, we’re tolerant – JUST LIKE YOU.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmOh, and Darryll – *flouncing* is really gay.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pmmay tarry with you for the Holy Ghost
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Don’t get any of that Holy Ghost on you…
December 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pmThat is the problem. They can’t prove in the bible! Catholics didn’t exist.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Doofus, “Christians” aren’t in the Bible, either.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pmMegatwit is Daryll’s evil twin.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pmIn 1988, it came out that while the Democratic Candidate, Michael Dukakis, was Governor of Mass., an inmate had gotten out on a program started by the governor before Dukakis (a republican) and the inmate, named Willy Horton, had murdered a woman.
The republicans and media hammered Dukakis relentlessly over this.
Huckabee was convinced by his born again pastor friend, that Wayne DuMond had been railroaded because the 13-year old girl he had raped was related to Governor Bill Clinton. Huckabee worked actively and argued passionately for DuMond’s release. He was released and went on to murder at least one woman and possibly two or more women in a neighboring state. What kind of character does it show that Huckabee could make such a grusome, horrible mistake in judgement?
December 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmCatholics didn’t exist.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Here’s a hint St. Daryll. Don’t say that in Rio.
Seriously.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:08 pmWasn’t Peter the first Catholic Pope?
December 10th, 2007 at 5:08 pmFor example, Jesus didn’t like funny hats.
:|
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Well, you don’t know that for sure. He might have been a great fan of funny hats and just never mentioned it.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pmOr praying in public.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pmWasn’t Peter the first Catholic Pope?
Comment by RUCerious — December 10, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Shussssh! I’m trying to keep that one under my funny hat.
/rim shot
December 10th, 2007 at 5:11 pmHere’s a hint St. Daryll. Don’t say that in Rio.
Seriously.
Comment by Zooey — December 10, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Mistress Z~ I get this premonition of St D trying to talk his way out of going to jail by trying to proseletyze a big burly Rio Federale…
December 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmAnd failing…
Hmmm. … Upon this rock I build my Church.
Didn’t Christ say that??
December 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pm“The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity….
December 10th, 2007 at 5:13 pm    “Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.”
– The Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in a sermon preached in October, 1831, first sentence quoted in John E Remsberg, “Six Historic Americans,” second sentence quoted in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion, pp. 14-15
It is hilarious the way Daryl posts his crazy drivel, removing all doubt from anyone’s mind, even the other trolls, that he is totally batsh!t insane.
Sadly, he is not a parody, but for real.
We should warn the Rio authorities of his plan to destroy their local government. I hear the jails in Rio have nice amenities LMAO…..
December 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWasn’t Peter the first Catholic Pope?
Comment by RUCerious — December 10, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Depends on who you believe. I would highly recommend Hans Küng’s The Catholic Church: A Short History.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:15 pmWhat bugs me with the fundies is that everything inconvenient in the Bible is explained away as a parable or symbolic of something else but the other parts are the Literal Truth just as god spoke them onto paper. Why I always say the Bible is written by men is because it never goes out on a limb and says something that would have been inconceivable 4000 years ago like “It is a sin to own another human being” or “be fruitful, but please stop once it puts the rest of creation in peril” or even “you know, women are just as capable of running things as men”. Now it just sounds 4000 years old.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI think so. And Paul was h first one who realized that this new Jesus fad was the key to riches and political power.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmThis post has became completely ignorant. I am leaving
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Good, after you leave the collective intelligence of the thread will gain a whole digit.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pmDid you actually think I’d say it if he hadn’t “mentioned it�
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments
Matthew 23:5
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Nothing about hats!
December 10th, 2007 at 5:18 pmIf Huck wants to take this nation to God why doesn’t he start himself a mega church – he could make himself a little money on the side. John
December 10th, 2007 at 5:18 pmgummitch, having been raised a Catholic, I wouldn’t know better!_!
December 10th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI should probably read that book, thanks for the reference!
Wasn’t Peter the first Catholic Pope?
Comment by RUCerious — December 10, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
I am not sure “Pope” would be the right term. He was the first Bishop of Rome. The “Petran Doctrine” states that since Christ designated Peter as the “rock upon which I will build my Church”, he was Christ’s successor. I am pretty sure the orignial meaning of the word Catholic was Universal.
If anyone cares about all this dogma. If Catholics think of themselves as Christians – as they obvioulsy do – who is to deny them this? Denying Catholics are Christians has more to do with America’s history of anti-Catholic bias than it does with actual theology.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWhy I always say the Bible is written by men is because the Bible was written by men.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
My point exactly..i was just adding a few quacks to the mounting evidence that it is indeed a duck.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:24 pmPhylacteries are head dresses which contain scripture.
:D
Hence, “funny hatsâ€.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
They’re little boxes worn on the arms and forehead, Bartlebee. Not hats. I’m telling you, Jesus was quite likely a big fan of funny hats. Especially stripes.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pmBart: “Other than a few of the Holy Rollers like Mike Huckleberry…”
Isn’t it amazing that the guy with all the momentum for the repubs now is a complete crackpot?
December 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI don’t think anyones denying Catholics are a Christian church.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Erm, Daryll did.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmBTW, on the topic of religious satire, anyone here who hasn’t read Gore Vidal’s Live from Golgotha should buy themselves a copy for Xmas. Superb historical irony.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmIsn’t it amazing that the guy with all the momentum for the repubs now is a complete crackpot?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — December 10, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Yes.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmI don’t think anyones denying Catholics are a Christian church.
I think folks comments Keltoi, are intended more to address the Mother Church at Rome’s unholy and unChristian like conduct since the time there was a mother Church at Rome.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
You will get no argument from me on that one. Organized religion of any sort has been the source of more evil than anything else I can think of .
December 10th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIsn’t it amazing that the guy with all the momentum for the repubs now is a complete crackpot?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — December 10, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Yes.
Comment by mary — December 10, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Totally amazing. They have McCain, flawed as he is, and they go with Huck. I just don’t get it.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmKeltoi, a first. You and I are in lockstep on this one.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDrywall’s gonna die in Rio if he talks in person the way he talks online.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmJesus I can’t even make a joke in here without some knucklehead trying to start something.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
The problem is your jokes are the only ones you ever recognize.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmOrganized religion of any sort has been the source of more evil than anything else I can think of .
Comment by Keltoi — December 10, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Organized Religion ( Christian, Islam, etc ) has, historically, more innocent blood on its hands than all the tyrants of history combined.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmQuite a record for those who supposedly profess to be “Of God”, eh?
They have McCain, flawed as he is, and they go with Huck. I just don’t get it.
Comment by Keltoi
Fundies are crazy. period.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmYa know, I think Huckabee looks a little like Kevin Spacey. Maybe that’s where his appeal comes from???
December 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmRight, the seemingly most level-headed in the bunch, McCain, has stubbornly attached himself to Bush foreign policy with which over 70% of the public do not agree. I’m sure that will be helpful in the general election.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmTotally amazing. They have McCain, flawed as he is, and they go with Huck. I just don’t get it.
Comment by Keltoi — December 10, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Maybe they’re paying more attention than you are. Before he started flip-flopping around, he (correctly) called Jerry Falwell an “agent of intolerance.” The fundies know McCain is a frickin’ hypocrite.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:35 pmHuckabee’s eyes scare me. He has the eyes of the true zealot.
Most of the republican candidates are scary, all for different reasons.
I found this little blog that seems to agree with me:
http://alittlereality.blogspot.com/2007/12/five-most-dangerous-presidential.html
December 10th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWhy wouldn’t you just say, “oh, ha ha, Phylacteries…. I get it.†?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 10, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Stripes? Seriously? Why are you such a touchy bastard, anyway?
December 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pmPeter was a Disciple, not a Pope. Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
“Simon Peter or Cephas, the first pope, Prince of the Apostles, and founder, with St. Paul, of the see of Rome.”
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5358
December 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pmBack to JESUS, ahhh times were good then, free fish and wine from Jesus,no blind people and no one sick, low taxes and no stoning of loose women.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pmSorry for a bit of blatant promotion but this article on Upchuckabee was to good to pass up passing on.
http://www.queerty.com/news/huckabee-may-have-lost-weight-but-hes-still-a-pig-20071210
December 10th, 2007 at 5:51 pmAren’t the Brazilian people already overwhelmingly Christian?
Comment by dim wit — December 10, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Catholics not Christians.
Comment by Daryll — December 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
THIS is precisely why there has to be a wall of separation between church and state. People like Daryll who would use their myopic religious zealotry as a basis for governmental policy will harm BOTH religion and government.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:53 pmPLC ~ I’ll be following the Rio local paper, looking for the story of his arrest and incarceration!
December 10th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIt’s okay to believe in Jesus.
December 10th, 2007 at 6:02 pmHe really existed, after all.
It’s OK to admire him, quote him, and even to follow him, because he was a very smart guy who made a lot of sense. Full of compassion, too.
It’s all that junk written by people who never met him that strains the imagination and outrages the moral sense.
So invoking or quoting Jesus Christ proves very little.
Of course, you can tell Huckabee’s ilk in that they almost never quote Jesus: saint Paul all the way. That, by the way, is why they go on about ‘the Bible’ instead of Jesus, so they can elevate that intolerant revisionist charlatan to the same level as Jesus, Isaiah and Moses.
Isn’t it amazing that the guy with all the momentum for the repubs now is a complete crackpot?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — December 10, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Yes.
Comment by mary — December 10, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
No!
December 10th, 2007 at 6:06 pmNot when you consider this is the same party that brought us ronnie and dumbass.
LividLib – you honestly are not surprised that Huckabee is being taken seriously?
If this guy ends up as the candidate then this country is in even more trouble than I thought.
December 10th, 2007 at 6:22 pmBob Jones U in SC (where all Republican candidates must go) taught not too long ago that Catholicism was a satanic cult. I think they are supposed to have stopped, but don’t know.
December 10th, 2007 at 6:31 pmI’ve heard quite a few fundies saying that Catholics are not christians. That’s news to me.
Where does that come from?
December 10th, 2007 at 6:43 pm“… and the three men I admire most,
the father, son, and the holy ghost,
they caught the last train for the coast,
the day the music …died……..”
Don McLean, “American Pie”
December 10th, 2007 at 6:58 pmI can’t believe the comments on this post. They are the most hate-filled I have seen yet. Why is it that you can only “name call” when you don’t agree with someone…in this case Christians? It shows an utter lack of compassion and respect for fellow human beings that you disagree with. You are pushing independents like me away from your cause.
December 10th, 2007 at 6:59 pm322 – haven’t needed any fence-sitters for a long time – if you can’t tell which side you’re on at this point, you’re no good for any side.
Indecision is not a virtue.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:04 pm317 – that’s exactly why Kennedy made his historic speech, and exactly why our extremely wise Founders saw fit to codify the separation of Church and State.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:06 pmI’ve scanned back through the thread, JP, and I’m not seeing much hatred… only a lot of spoofing of what has become one of humankinds most absurd belief systems to date…..and a good natured parody defense of its preposterousness.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pmIf your upset stems from having this particular belief system discounted, you certainly can’t claim independent status if you believe in such a manipuative, controlling, and groundless religion.
JP’s a clown-prince of trolls – coming around talking some “concerned” smack about being an “independent” and so on – one of the clever trolls, who believes himself to be “quick” and “witty”
I get the best laughs from those types.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:14 pmExley’s a better example – with his mock-intellectual approach – Colbert could learn a trick or two from that one.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:15 pmConcerned independent: “I can’t believe the comments on this post. They are the most hate-filled I have seen yet.”
Could you be more specific? Which posts do you find “hate-filled?”
December 10th, 2007 at 7:15 pmWhere’s JP? He was just here………
December 10th, 2007 at 7:19 pmConcerned independent, is this the kind of thing you felt was “hate-filled?”:
Huckabee was convinced by his born again pastor friend, that Wayne DuMond had been railroaded because the 13-year old girl he had raped was related to Governor Bill Clinton. Huckabee worked actively and argued passionately for DuMond’s release. He was released and went on to murder at least one woman and possibly two or more women in a neighboring state. What kind of character does it show that Huckabee could make such a grusome, horrible mistake in judgement?
December 10th, 2007 at 7:23 pmIf it hadn’t been abundantly clear prior to this statement, it should be now: Huckabee is a danger to the United States and should be treated as such. We’ve all seen what pandering to religious fanatics has done to this country. The United States is not strong enough to withstand another religious onslaught from within.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:25 pm330 – his help, we definitely don’t want.
In fact, all we need is a fair election to take place. Wouldn’t be in the mess we are, had the last 2 been done right, without secret-squirrel righties F’ing with them.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:33 pm323. give me a break.
Bartlebee- Agreed
326. You are blinded by your own…in your words…absurd belief system. I’m not going to take the time to help you understand that hatred filled in this post. My upset come from my basic compassion for others who might think differently than me…a lesson you obviously need to learn. Independents will continue to be the deciding force in elections. Maybe you are on the wrong side or should be more tolerant to others belief systems!
327. Name calling…love it!
329. Read the posts.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI’ve read the posts and I see a lot of ridicule, but not much hate. Christians tend to be a very prickly, sensitive bunch when it comes to their religion. Many of them don’t seem to understand that ridicule of belief is not the same thing as hate. That’s why some of them are uncomfortable in a secular society. I remember watching an interview with a Dutch official regarding problems they were having with strict Muslims angry with political cartoons and he said something like, “if you can’t stand your religion being ridiculed, this is not the right society for you.” But, hey, if someone ridiculing christianity is going to make you vote for people who support the killing of hundreds of thousands, the ruining of the economy and the trashing of the constitution, those are your values and your free to have them.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:59 pmconveniently skipped right past 333 didncha???
December 10th, 2007 at 8:00 pmJP: I read your posts. Contained therein are the words of a traitor to the United States who puts political party first before your country. That’s treason, my friend. The people who post here love their country and want to see it wrenched out of the hands of those who seek to drive our country into the ground for personal gain (the very people you support). So you are no better than those traitors, hence, you are a traitor yourself.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:02 pmHe agrees with the Left on many issues and yet because he has a personal religious belief, you guys hate hate him!
Not me, I hate him because he pulled strings to get a rapist out on parole, said rapist then repeating their crime and then killing his victim. Huckabee has blood on his hands. I don’t care how liberal he was, I would never vote for him. If he was a Democrat I wouldn’t vote for him.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:07 pmSorry, but Huckabee disregarded the pleas of victims’ families and victims themselves in favor of a born-again christian pastor who is or was his good friend. The Wayne DuMond thing was all about the mindless Clinton-hating that went on in the 90’s. Huckabee personally pressured parole board officials to lobby for DuMond’s release and now he’s making things worse by lying about his part in the grusome affair. If you think that shows good character, you’re entitled to your opinion, but I don’t agree.
Now, JPisHere, would you called that opinion “hate-filled?” I hope not, because I don’t hate Huckabee, I just think he’s a crackpot who has no business being President. Heck, I wouldn’t even want him to be dog catcher in my town with judgement like that.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:16 pmconveniently skipped right past 333 didncha???
Comment by tombaker
Purposely skipped. I don’t know enough about what happened in this situation and I do not take one website’s opinion as fact. If what Ret. Col. Jack Ripper wrote is true, I would have a big problem with Huckabee. I will do research to gain a better perspective and then make an informed decision.
339. JP: I read your posts. Contained therein are the words of a traitor to the United States who puts political party first before your country. That’s treason, my friend. The people who post here love their country and want to see it wrenched out of the hands of those who seek to drive our country into the ground for personal gain (the very people you support). So you are no better than those traitors, hence, you are a traitor yourself.
Comment by Tender Chicken
As an independent, I can vote for anyone. Therefore, your simplistic argument is null and void. I really don’t see how the people here love their country. I see people blinded by their own hatred for those who think differently. You need this definition:
Treason- the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family
And some how, I am a traitor because I have different beliefs than you…
December 10th, 2007 at 8:20 pm“I really don’t see how the people here love their country. I see people blinded by their own hatred for those who think differently.”
We still respect the constitution and the rule of law. An independent now is someone too scared of taking a political stand. A coward.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:46 pm“And some how, I am a traitor because I have different beliefs than you…”
Comment by JPisHere
Traitor, no. Coward, yes.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:48 pmheadline at huffington post:
Huckabee Ties for First Nationally in Two New Polls
CNN: Rudy 24% Huckabee 22%
NYT: Rudy 22% Huckabee 21%
i’d like to see huck get the gop nomination. it guarantees a democratic victory.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:49 pmYou are pushing independents like me away from your cause.
Comment by JPisHere — December 10, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
“independents”?
it makes baby jesus weep when you lie.
but then again you might be a satan worshipper:
“If you read these far-left websites, you’re a devil worshipper. You are.â€
– bill o’reilly, fox news “the o’reilly factor”, 12/07/07
eh?
December 10th, 2007 at 8:54 pm“And some how, I am a traitor because I have different beliefs than you…â€
Comment by JPisHere
Traitor, no. Coward, yes.
Comment by barfly
Having a difference of beliefs makes me a coward??? Guess that makes you a coward too!
December 10th, 2007 at 8:56 pmI hate to disappoint you Libs, but Huckabee is going to make quite a PRESIDENTIAL candidate. Neither Hillary Rodham Clinton nor Barak Hussein Obama stand a chance.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 10, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
i fixed it for you.
chl, you’re a devil worshipper too?
“If you read these far-left websites, you’re a devil worshipper. You are.â€
- bill o’reilly, fox news “the o’reilly factorâ€, 12/07/07
eh?
December 10th, 2007 at 9:03 pmComment by cold_hard_left — December 10, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
still worshipping satan, eh chl?
your evil overlord commands you, doesn’t he?
December 10th, 2007 at 9:25 pmI made a comment the other day similar but not exact, that went something like this ” I fail to see anything “Christen” about these folks from my reading of “The King James version of my Bible.”.” This became even more accurate/evident after hearing more of Mike Huckabee going back to the late nineties. There was something on the “Countdown with Keith Olbermann show tonight’s “Worst Person in the World” segment, which I missed, had to pee. Anybody see it??
December 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pmI did Lyle – it was about how, in addition to his other gems, the ReverendGovernor also signed on to an open letter published in USAToday in ‘98, which, in part, called on women to “keep themselves as obedient servants of their husband-masters”, or some such old-testament-masquerading-as-family-values poppycock.
i’m sure all the hip, modern, edumacated ladies will be lining up to vote Huck.
December 10th, 2007 at 10:43 pmWhy was Daryll here all day? Did Huckabee get busted in the Minneapolis Airport Men’s Room?
December 10th, 2007 at 10:49 pmCHL, you won’t be spending any time in the Lincoln Bedroom no matter who gets elected so get over yourself, loser.
December 10th, 2007 at 10:50 pmAl Gore’s 8 years in the White House as a legally elected Veep, capped by his invitation as a Nobel Prize winner are certainly things he should be ashamed of. is this all you have left of the wreckage of the GOP, CHL? These lame, silly, puerile, girly fantasies that your feckless, moronic “leaders” have done a single thing that’s right or honorable? Pull your head out of your ass, take a breath, and realize the trouble you’re in, before it’s too late. You have let your country down, and the losers you still support, in the face of ignominious failures like 9/11 and Iraq, are going to be prosecuted, jailed, and, in some cases, hanged. Is this who you want to side with? Are you an American or not? So far, you’ve shown no love of country whatsoever; you are behaving as if we should worship a monarch, rather than hold a president to the high standards Americans would like to believe are ours. Your hatred of our traditions paints you as a traitor; is that what you want?
December 10th, 2007 at 11:38 pmthe linked article was written in 1998, but it’s so interesting that Huckabee is the same today.
How many of us can say we’re the same as we were in 1998?
Comment by Zooey — December 10, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
So you were a Christian in ‘98? ;)
December 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI hate to disappoint you Libs, but Huckabee is going to make quite a VICE PRESIDENTIAL candidate. Neither Hillary Rodham Clinton nor Barak Hussein Obama stand a chance.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 10, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
And the Dems won’t win back Congress in 2006, right? At least not according to Rove’s “The Math.” We’ve heard this before.
December 11th, 2007 at 12:05 amthis guys who is hiv positive has some unique verbiage on mr. mike
http://www.queerty.com/news/huckabee-may-have-lost-weight-but-hes-still-a-pig-20071210/
December 11th, 2007 at 12:05 amJP: I read your posts. Contained therein are the words of a traitor to the United States who puts political party first before your country. That’s treason, my friend. The people who post here love their country and want to see it wrenched out of the hands of those who seek to drive our country into the ground for personal gain (the very people you support). So you are no better than those traitors, hence, you are a traitor yourself.
Comment by Tender Chicken — December 10, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
What most of the libs who post here love are the rights and freedoms we are given by the Constitution. They do not, however, love the responsibility that goes along with such freedom. If you suggest that anyone should take responsibility for themselves, you are heartless or a racist or, to those somewhat lacking in maturity, a ‘tard. ;)
December 11th, 2007 at 12:11 amSo you were a Christian in ‘98? ;)
Comment by upright left — December 10, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Is that humor?
Damn, that was lame. Actually, I’ve never been a christian.
December 11th, 2007 at 12:14 amIs that humor?
Damn, that was lame. Actually, I’ve never been a christian.
Comment by Zooey — December 11, 2007 @ 12:14 am
So you are the same as you were in ‘98 then. ;)
December 11th, 2007 at 12:21 amI guess the only two things people can be in your tiny world are “christian” and “not christian.”
Too bad for you.
December 11th, 2007 at 12:26 am“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’sâ€
December 11th, 2007 at 12:28 am#354 & Others: A nother little tidbit on the Parole of the Rapist was a condition that he the state never to return. Shortly after his release he Raped and Murded and was convicted on the charge, another Rape and Murder charge was in the process at the time of his death. Mike Huckabee was a well know “Clinton Hater” for years, and all the time Bubba was POTUS these “Clinton Haters” were paying a whole bunch of people to make up any and everything they could get in the media, including Rape and Murder. I think Pat Robertson was even selling a tape about Bubba being involved in Muder. That is one of the reasons I say there is nothing “Christien” about so many of these folks.
December 11th, 2007 at 12:31 amThen you either were not an athiest in ‘98 or you are not now? Otherwise you would be the same now as then and we know you think that’s a bad thing. Just checking to see if you apply the same standards to yourself as to others. ;)
December 11th, 2007 at 12:34 amOr, upright, you are half retarded. I am going to place my bet on that one.
December 11th, 2007 at 12:43 amOr, upright, you are half retarded. I am going to place my bet on that one.
Comment by Sabyen91 — December 11, 2007 @ 12:43 am
I wasn’t referring to you sabbie, but if the shoe fits, wear it, bud. Still mad about the other day? Ya brought that one on yourself. ;)
December 11th, 2007 at 12:46 amI wasn’t referring to you sabbie, but if the shoe fits, wear it, bud. Still mad about the other day? Ya brought that one on yourself. ;)
Comment by upright left — December 11, 2007 @ 12:46 am
glad you’re here uptight, but billy o’reilly? well here’s what he had to say about the likes of you:
“If you read these far-left websites, you’re a devil worshipper. You are.â€
- bill o’reilly, fox news “the o’reilly factorâ€, 12/07/07
eh?
December 11th, 2007 at 11:38 amOrganized Religion ( Christian, Islam, etc ) has, historically, more innocent blood on its hands than all the tyrants of history combined.
Quite a record for those who supposedly profess to be “Of Godâ€, eh?
Comment by Wayne — December 10, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
You will get no argument from me on that one. Organized religion of any sort has been the source of more evil than anything else I can think of .
Comment by Keltoi — December 10, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Unless you can offer some sort of references for these remarks, I’ll just take them to be “wishful†opinions.
Surely, you’re aware the that body count due to political philosophies exceeds 100 million people in the twentieth century – and that’s excluding the body count due to World War II. These 100 million souls were destroyed by communist of both the Chinese and Soviet persuasion. Both these brands of Communism were/are officially atheist.
Unfortunately in the U.S. the count due to RvW exceeds 30 M in the same century. However, these innocent souls had never taken their first breath, and as we know, “Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…†doesn’t extend to those who are living, but have never taken their first breath. .
Isn’t a “woman’s right to choose…†a philosophy, or if you prefer, a political right?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:49 pmCHL – Trying the old, “your side does it tooâ€, man you are such an idiot, totally an idiot.
1. No one says that Jesus was not a good person and professed doing good for others. We all know his teachings were good.
2. We Atheists believe that Jesus had very good advice and teachings on life. But we don’t buy the God thing. Just the doing good part from Jesus.
3. Christians in the USA are not very Christ like.
4. Believing that the world is 6000 years old because of religion is ignorance at it’s worst.
5. You are an ignorant moron that is the worst.
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy — December 10, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
I think you miss something in this statement. Many Christians believe number 4 above because a very detailed, highly accurate book has a record of the events associated with Creation. That would be from the Old Testament book of Genesis. The New Testament book of Hebrews says, “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. “ That’s from Hebrews 11 where the topic of discussion is faith. Following that remark is this one: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.â€
While 6,000 years is a good long period, it is imaginable with the detail lineage in the book of Genesis.
Now try to imagine the 14.7 billions years age of the universe that can only be understood by observing light from space. All recorded history disappears about 35,000 years ago so there’s a huge “fill in the blanks†from 35,000 to 14,7 B before now.
Perhaps it takes more faith to be an agnostic, or an anti-theist, but that’s certainly a lot of blanks to fill-in.
Not only that, if I understand the ideas behind what is said to have existed at 14.7 B years before now, whatever it was – these precursors to gravity and matter – existed in a space (whatever “space†means at time = 0) less the size of a pin point.
All matter existed in a space smaller that a pin point…the BOOM!
And whatever it was that went BOOM! had in its ancestry beings that walk on two legs. If it happen that way, and had to happen that way – from Big Bang to people – it reeks for intent; that is, design.
BTW, I don’t advocate teaching anything in science class but science, even if it’s about the “idea of Evolution.â€
December 11th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCHL – Trying the old, “your side does it tooâ€, man you are such an idiot, totally an idiot.
1. No one says that Jesus was not a good person and professed doing good for others. We all know his teachings were good.
2. We Atheists believe that Jesus had very good advice and teachings on life. But we don’t buy the God thing. Just the doing good part from Jesus.
3. Christians in the USA are not very Christ like.
4. Believing that the world is 6000 years old because of religion is ignorance at it’s worst.
5. You are an ignorant moron that is the worst.
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy — December 10, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Seems to me that number 2 would make you not very credible as far as number 3 is concerned. But, perhaps it’s a special skill you get at Atheist school.
Believe that part of the good Jesus did was praying to God. As I understand it, Christ, God the Son, said that He was nothing without God the Father. Believe He even said, paraphrasing here, that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, God the Father.
Seems to me that that the good things Christ did were because of his relationship to God the Father. Isn’t that why Christ is called the Son of God?
So, based on your number 3, who are the “best†people in the U.S., and what motivates them if not Christianity?
December 11th, 2007 at 2:45 pmGet it right, Huckabee, Jesus doesn’t want your nation, He wants your hearts. It’s in the book, called the Bible, he said it in the gospels. You should read it some time.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:55 pmglad you’re here uptight, but billy o’reilly? well here’s what he had to say about the likes of you:
“If you read these far-left websites, you’re a devil worshipper. You are.â€
- bill o’reilly, fox news “the o’reilly factorâ€, 12/07/07
eh?
Comment by joe cantwell — December 11, 2007 @ 11:38 am
I’m quite confident that O’Reilly was referring to those readers who agree with left wing sites, not those who read them in amazement at the hypocrisy displayed by those for whom hypocrisy is a knee jerk accusation. In any case, bud, he was joking. He doesn’t really believe that a significant number of people reading these sites actually worship satan. He just said it to annoy progs and it seems to have worked. ;)
December 11th, 2007 at 3:50 pmI am said for hundreds of you who have posted on here who believe it is right to use God as a bunch line. Its easy to lash out when your in your thirties, covered in Dorito crumbs, living in your Grandmothers basement. The ‘progressive’ left is SO angry at everything that all you can get done is bash people. You guys have both the house and the senate, why haven’t you done anything? Instead of taking personal accountability (I know, its hard to believe your shit doesn’t stink), you find it so much easier to lash out at others.
For all you athiests out there, it would be a good idea to open up a history book. When out Consititution was established, it was design to keep the Government from instituting a state church (ie The Church of England, something we fought very hard to get away from). It was NOT designed to destroy God as you want done. Sessions of Congress open with a prayer. Our Fore Fathers were Christians. The basis of our laws is on the Bible. If you go to court, you swear on the Bible. When our leaders are sworn in, its on the Bible. So tell me? How was our Government designed to abolish God?
Huckabee talks of taking back the nation. This is no different than you godless individuals who are trying to take God out of our lives. I want prayer in schools. I don’t want 11 year olds receiving condoms. Nothing is sacrid to athiests. Its because you have no faith, and with no faith you have no hope. You exist and you die. There are no penalties to you. This is the true face of a sinner.
You joke of the Rapture. You should be afraid. You hope for the Rapture so that you athiests are left in peace? If 7 years of hell on earth is peace, have at it. I know where I am going.
Vote Huckabee if your great uncle wasn’t a piece of slim that came from no where and past on its intelligence.
December 11th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI would like to take back the country in the name of Knuckle Head, my English Bulldog Puppy.
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December 11th, 2007 at 5:02 pmJust follow the trail of history, the more we push out God the harder this nation will fall. You would think that with all the evidence of past nations pushing out the Lord and the consequence would be an awakening and some insight for us in the present to realize what this country is doing wrong. This country does need God, it was founded by believers, false claims about this country’s roots will go no where.
Where do you people think this nation will HONESTLY go if we continue down this path???
December 11th, 2007 at 5:34 pmWell said EsaX. I know that in my own life, where I have fallen away from God, so have his blessings. When I have moved towards God, I have received his blessings. I do not want to be part of a godless country and will fight for what is right. There are those on the right that bother me as well. How can you believe in God and also believe in seperating God from what you do? This is a nation of Christians, founded by Christians. The more that we have pushed away, the greater the difficulties will become!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:51 pmhey bfellow, quick question, what if your wrong, what if there is no forthcoming rapture, what if you have to come back in your next lifetime, and because of all the wonderful causes you are making now, you will be born as in a poor family, without health care, or education, or any of the creature comforts you are currently enjoying. What if you have to come back as a Muslim or a gay person, because of your current bigotry? Just because you believe you are right now, does not mean you are really right? Have you ever heard of cause and effect? It is a universal law, like gravity. Think about it!
December 11th, 2007 at 6:23 pmYou make it sound like bfellow has a perfect life. I won’t be the first to tell you that he doesn’t. None of us will have the perfect life, none of us are perfect. But Christ is the answer to that. The real question is where will you (everyone) be when they pass on.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pmSorry bfellow, hate to bother you again, but read a history book, telling us that the United States was founded on Christianity. However, that is nothing more than propaganda, to appease the Christian Fundamentalist, Dominionist, and other fanatics who are attempting to create a Theocracy in this country. Here are the facts: The Declaration of Independence nowhere states the idea of a Christian nation. In fact, the wording is:
“the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s Godâ€
“all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rightsâ€
“Laws of Nature and Nature’s God,†and “their Creator†is as far as the Founding Fathers wanted to go; they did not describe a Christian God, period.
Look at the founding fathers, George Washington, Deist, period. Thomas Jefferson, in many of his letters, he denounced the superstitions of Christianity. He did not believe in spiritual souls, angels or godly miracles. Although Jefferson did admire the morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not think him divine, nor did he believe in the Trinity or the miracles of Jesus. James Madison, had no conventional sense of Christianity. In 1785, Madison wrote in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments: “During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.â€
The final proof that our Founding Fathers DID NOT create a CHRSITIAN NATION is found in a little known document called the “Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary,†most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. Look it up!
Although the Christian exclusionary wording in the Treaty of Tripoli only lasted for eight years and no longer has legal status, it clearly represented the feelings of our Founding Fathers at the beginning of the U.S. government.
Your attempt to re-write history is really hurting the country, not helping it. If you succeed in bringing about a Christian theocracy; then indeed, we will have ignored the lessons from history.
If we are to continue to be a GREAT nation based on the FREE EXPRESSION of FAITH, and continue to improve ourselves by embracing the DIVERSITY, which made us GREAT, then we must, by all means, resist and refute the Religious Right, our future as a FREE nation depends on the outcome of this struggle against dominionism and theocracy.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:33 pmI believe in a free country just as much as the next American but to say that God has not been a part of our countries heritage since its birth is ignorance. We have to stop taking God out of everything in this country.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:42 pmNo one is talking about taking God out of anything, we are talking about forcing a Christian Theocracy on people, which is what the thread is about, Huckabee wants to ‘take this nation back for Christ.’
Again, I give you the exact wording: “Laws of Nature and Nature’s God,†and “their Creatorâ€. This is as far as the Founding Fathers wanted to go; they did not describe a Christian God, period, end of story.
Does a Buddhist have the right to worship their God(’s) in this country? Does a Hindu have the right to worship their God(’s) in this country? Does a person have the right to not worship anything or anyone?
The Founding Fathers set up a clear and distinct wall of separation between a persons faith and the affairs of state and for good reason, they do not belong together.
In Mark 12:17, we find: “And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.” The same is found in Luke 20:25, “And He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
I will defend to the death your right to worship as you please and I expect you to defend my right to do the same, I don’t tell you how to worship, so please don’t anyone tell me how I should worship.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:39 pmHi CofE. I am not the one with spin here. I am a big fan of history. Here are some facts to clear things up.
1. The Constitution of the United States of America was penned by the man who was head of the committee which created the final wording. That man, Governor Morris of Pennsylvania, was also the most active member of the Constitutional Convention. He spoke 173 times. He also advocated that “education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God.”
2. George Washington, kind of a big figure said, “You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.”
3. Ben Franklin said, “History will also afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion…and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.” I think this is what Huckabee is talking about.
4. John Quincy Adams said, “The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.” I’m pretty sure he had something to say about the founding of our nation.
5. The Declaration of Independence appeals to God no less than three times. Four to those who can see His Name in the phrase “protection of divine providence”. Five to those who can admit the phrase “created equal” means created by God, not evolved from chaos.
Contrary to what is currently taught at most federal and state schools, Samuel Adams pointed out this strong lesson which is contradicted in courts today: “Before the formation of this Constitution…this Declaration of Independence was received and ratified by all the States in the Union and has NEVER been disannuled.”
The men who wrote the Declaration of Independence declared within it their undying faith towards God for all generations to see and follow.
The Articles of Incorporation call the entity into existence and the By-laws then explain how it will be governed. Therefore the governing of the corporation under its by-laws must always be within the purposes and framework set forth in its Articles. The By-laws may neither nullify nor supersede the Articles. The Constitution neither abolished nor replaced what the Declaration had established; it only provided the specific details of how American government would operate under the principles set forth in the Declaration.
PROOF of the Declaration being attached to the Constitution is found in Article VII .
The Constitution attaches itself to the Declaration by dating itself as being signed in the twelfth year of the independence of the United States of America! Now that proves the founding fathers considered themselves to have been living in the United States of America for twelve years under the government document of the Declaration of Independence. Not only was the Constitution dated in recognition of the Declaration of Independence, also the later government acts were dated from the Independence of the United States of America.
So you see CofE, you have to look at the truth. Picking and choosing only what proves a biased point is ignorance. This country was created by Christians. Just look at what they said. Period.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:49 pmWho are you to determine what is God’s and what is Caesar’s? When the laws of the land go in the face of God, what side do you choose? I know who I choose. Our nation was founded on the principles of God. Through there own words, they acknowldge this. Huckabee is right. The United States of America is heading down hill. He wants to restore us to what the Founding Fathers intended us to be. It made us the most powerful nation on the face of the earth. You can stand by Caesar and kiss Buddha’s ass, I’m standing with our Fore Fathers and above all God.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:55 pmI thought this was a nation founded on English Common law which predated Christianity. So…Sweet whistlin’ Jesus…
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December 11th, 2007 at 8:29 pmWait Wait Wait. You mean that the British Empire under King Henry the first was around before Jesus and thus Christianity? So…Sweet whistlin’ greenpagan…
December 11th, 2007 at 9:51 pmNo one is talking about taking God out of anything, we are talking about forcing a Christian Theocracy on people, which is what the thread is about, Huckabee wants to ‘take this nation back for Christ.’
Comment by Citizen_of_Earth — December 11, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Wrong, bud. He was talking about evangelism not instituting a govt religion. Get a grip. “Take this nation back for Christ” is a common term among those who those witness. ;)
December 11th, 2007 at 11:38 pmSpeaking of FACTS:
1. The Constitution of the United States of America was penned by the man who was head of the committee which created the final wording. That man, Governor Morris of Pennsylvania, was also the most active member of the Constitutional Convention.
FACT: Morris witnessed two of history’s greatest revolutions, and both had a profound influence on his idea of government. His service as a soldier and as a key member of the Continental Congress during the American Revolution convinced him that a strong central government was needed to preserve and enhance the liberties and boundless opportunities won in the war. As ambassador to Paris during the cataclysmic French Revolution, he came to fear the excesses of power that could be perpetrated in the name of liberty. Influenced by these events, he would later reject what he saw as unjustified assertions of authority by his own government.
2. George Washington, kind of a big figure said, “You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.â€
FACT: He was an early supporter of religious toleration and freedom of religion. In 1775, he ordered that his troops not show anti-Catholic sentiments by burning the pope in effigy on Guy Fawkes Night. When hiring workmen for Mount Vernon, he wrote to his agent, “If they be good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa, or Europe; they may be Mohammedans, Jews, or Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists.” In 1790, he wrote a response to a letter from the Touro Synagogue, in which he said that as long as people remain good citizens, their faith does not matter. This was a relief to the Jewish community of the United States, since the Jews had been either expelled from or prejudiced against in many European countries.
3. Ben Franklin said, “History will also afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion…and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.†I think this is what Huckabee is talking about.
FACT: Franklin separated virtue, morality, and faith from organized religion, although he felt that if religion in general grew weaker, morality, virtue, and society in general would also decline. Thus he wrote Thomas Paine, “If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it.” According to David Morgan,[33] Franklin was a proponent of all religions. He prayed to “Powerful Goodness” and referred to God as the “INFINITE.” John Adams noted that Franklin was a mirror in which people saw their own religion: “The Catholics thought him almost a Catholic. The Church of England claimed him as one of them. The Presbyterians thought him half a Presbyterian, and the Friends believed him a wet Quaker.” Whatever else Benjamin Franklin was, concludes Morgan, “he was a true champion of generic religion.” Ben Franklin was noted to be “the spirit of the Enlightenment.”
4. John Quincy Adams said, “The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.†I’m pretty sure he had something to say about the founding of our nation.
FACT: The Adamses were originally members of Congregational churches in New England. By 1800, all but one Congregationalist church in Boston had Unitarian preachers teaching the strict unity of God, the subordinate nature of Christ, and salvation by character. Adams himself preferred Unitarian preachers, but did attend other churches where there was no satisfactory Congregational one.
And no thank you, I don’t kiss anyone’s ass, to bring that up shows the disrespect you have for other peoples viewpoint.
You see, the problem with being a fanatic, or a extremist, is that you back yourself into a corner, you can no longer engage others in honest dialogue, you can no longer build bridges of trust and value with others. Radicals or extremist cannot allow for any middle ground, because to do so threatens their point of view.
In short, dear bfellow, by telling me to kiss someone’s ass, you show the true colors, one that lacks the basic humanity of Christ, which is very sad indeed. By the way, most Buddhist I know are more Christ like than most Christians I know, why is that?
December 12th, 2007 at 12:27 amtoo bad we’re not all as zealous about good governance as we are about faith-based issues.
separation of curch and state was a conscious and wise choice made by the Founders, whose beliefs they understood needed to take the back seat to the maintenance of a working government.
if you think intractable infighting between religious splinter groups is a good way to move forward, then, by all means, vote your conscience.
December 12th, 2007 at 1:00 amYou continue to perpetuate the myth that our founding father intended that there be NO God in out government. Going back and forth is clearly ridiculous. I am not pretending to be Christ-like. And I’m sorry to offend you buddist friends who are more Christian than Christian, despite some very fundamental differences.
Its people like you who want to strip God from MY life. First its prayer in public places, then ‘under God’ in the pledge of allegiance. Oh but you will put up the tree, pretend that Christmas is about Santa and Rudolf and snow men and acquiring massive amount of credit card debt. Soon you will just spell it X-Mas. So much easier isn’t it. Shorter, nicer, more progressive. Without God there’s no sin. Sure cleans things up. Who likes things like accountability.
Do you know the difference between the Soviets and us back in the good ol’ days? Religion. Banned in the USSR. History is littered with nations who turned away from God. Sorry to offend you dear CofE, but there is a line being drawn. This country is going down the hole. You lefties recognize it. Its what you want. Take from those who work and give to those who don’t. Higher taxes, more entitlements, take a ‘liberal’ approach to the constitution. Open up those borders. Welcome in your poor and huddled masses. Your coming for opportunity at the expense of the American tax payer. But its ok, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend. It will always solve the problem.
Wake up people, congress in the last year had to RAISE the borrowing limit for the nation cause we ran out of debt! An guess who is the biggest consumer of US debt? Its not little Johnny with the US T-bill for Christmas from Grandma and Grandpa. Its China. Why by up all that debt? Cause it is directly connected to our currency. When China is done with us, simply drop it all on the market at once. You think a nuclear attack is bad, how about when your savings are worthless. Massive inflation.
We have an absolute mess on our hands and its OUR fault. CofE, you want to pitch for a godless government, you go right ahead. I’ll be on the other side, exercising my constitutional rights while I still have them.
And no, I’m not a Bush supporter. I’m ready to see him leave too. Lets just not replace him with a socialist!
Upright left did have it right. He was talking about evangelism, not a church take over of our government. Leave it to ‘progressives’ to spin it out of control.
December 12th, 2007 at 1:44 amlike i said – if the energy you directed at this longwinded post accusing me of trying to take your God away – an accusation I resent, btw – if you’d take that energy and instead use it to let your elected officials know what you think about massive overseas borrowing, then you’ll have done something positive for your country. and if you wanted to talk about that topic here, many, myself included, would be more than happy to have that talk.
but if you’d prefer to be hysterical about a “threat” you think you face that does not really exist, and lecture me on topics you know nothing of my knowledge on, then you go right ahead and knock yourself out.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:17 ambfellow, first, I am not trying to strip God from your life and I don’t know anyone who is, second, I am not trying to take away your Christmas celebration of your faith, in fact, I celebrate the birth of Jesus too, I just celebrate it everyday, not just once a year; and yes, you are 1000% correct about the state of the nation when it comes to fiscal responsibility by our government and our slide into becoming a third world country.
That said, I am proud to be called a liberal, to quote President Kennedy, “If by a ‘Liberal’ they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a ‘Liberal,’ then I’m proud to say I’m a ‘Liberal.’â€
Here is another quote or two for you to think about:
“We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls…. We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity… in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.”
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter… For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people…. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.”
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
“We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls…. We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity… in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.”
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928
“The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life…. The National Government regard the two Christian Confessions as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality. They will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal States. Their rights are not to be infringed…. It will be the Government’s care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real national community is just as much in the interest of the German nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith. The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them.”
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933
“National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take the Christian Churches under the protection of the State…. The decisive factor which can justify the existence alike of Church and State is the maintenance of men’s spiritual and bodily health, for it that health were destroyed it would mean the end of the State and also the end of the Church…. It is my sincere hope that thereby for Germany, too, through free agreement there has been produced a final clarification of spheres in the functions of the State and of one Church.”
-Adolf Hitler, on a wireless on 22 July, the evening before the Evangelical Church Election
Yes, history is full of people who have lead their country down the path to doom and ruin because of religious fervor. The article said that “Huckabee wants to ‘take this nation back for Christ.’” I my humble opinion, the true portrait of Mike Huckabee as a radical reactionary and dangerous extremist has yet to be painted.
So bfellow, again, I am saying you may have your God, just let those of us who want something different have that as well, and lets keep our eyes on those who want to take that away from us and force their God on us. If anyone want to live in a theocracy, may I suggest one of the Muslim countries, like Saudi Arabia, or Iran?
Good night and good luck!
December 12th, 2007 at 2:42 amComment by Citizen_of_Earth — December 11, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Comment by bfellow — December 11, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Other evidence of the influence of Christianity in Early America
From
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2942
America, Christianity, and the Culture War (Part I)
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Original State Constitutions
If the Framers wanted more direct references to Christianity to be left up to the several states, we ought to expect to see the framers of the state constitutions reflecting that intention. And, indeed, they did. Once the Founders declared independence from England, each state commenced to hammer out their respective state constitutions, with the exception of Connecticut which chose to continue to operate under its founding charter until eventually formulating its own state constitution in 1818 (Horton, 1988). If one will take the time to examine the original state constitutions, one will be absolutely overwhelmed by the fact that those framers (many of whom were also involved in working on the federal Constitution), were intimately attached to the God of the Bible and deliberately reflected that attachment in their political pronouncements. The state constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, much of which is believed to be the product of John Adams, provides just one sample. In “Part the First,†the constitution reads:
In “Part the Second,†the constitution enumerated the civil officers of the state:
Further, the “Oath of Office†that was to be taken by anyone who wished to serve as “governor, lieutenant governor, councillor, senator or representative†began with the declaration: “I, A.B., do declare, that I believe the Christian religion, and have a firm persuasion of its truth.â€
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Excerpts from several state constitution preambles are included in this article and they are quite interesting.
The John Adams referred to is the same John Adams who was the president who signed the Treaty of Tripoli often mentioned on TP. This is the treaty which specifically declared – to Muslim authorities – that the U.S. was not a Christian nation.
From the above quotes it seems obvious that the U.S. was a nation for a Christian people. When I use this phrase, “…a nation for a Christian people,†I don’t mean that all others have to leave, or even that the Christians want to be in charge. I mean that it seems apparent to me that the reason it – the U.S. – has worked as well as it has is because the preponderant influence is from Christianity.
December 12th, 2007 at 10:59 amCofE. You can quote Hitler all you want. Christianity has been used and abused since its beginnings. I think using Hitler as an example is ignorance at its core.
Huckabee is a guy is being attacked left and right in the media. Other candidates are trashing him, yet he continues to surge in the polls. The reason being is that there are more Christians in America than there are in any other nation in the world. Did you know that? 85% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. To want to take God out of our Government is Atheism. Nobody is asking for a state church, like the Church of England. But you better believe I want God in my Pledge of Allegence, I want the Ten commandments displayed. I’m fine with not making prayer manditory in schools. But if your going to teach Evolution, your going to teach Creationism.
I am saddened by those that say they are Christians yet can vote for abortion. How can vote for those who want to hide God. Taking God out of Government is just that.
And tombarker, I am sorry to lecture someone whom I never knew existed. Especially since I was supposed to know what your knowledge on all topics is. Get a grip on reality there ol’ buddy!
December 15th, 2007 at 12:09 amI agree with “LividLib” and the post about needing an atheist running this country. I don’t personally care what his or her religion is, as long as religion is kept personal. Preaching belongs in the pulpit, not in the oval office.
We don’t need a potential president who passes “marriage covenant” laws while he was the Governor of Arkansas. That is too scary for me. We don’t need another “holier than thou” whose reverence for life would surely make a woman’s right to choose disappear but who didn’t have enough reverence for life to keep him from enforcing the death penalty while was Governor. No more idealogical government employees. We’ve got one already and he has made a colossal mess.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:38 am