Biden: Does preservation order cover Cheney?
Biden: Does preservation order cover Cheney?
Days after the destruction of the CIA interrogation tapes was publicly revealed, White House Counsel Fred Fielding sent out a notice to “all employees” ordering them to preserve documents and evidence on the matter. Today, Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) wrote to Fielding asking how far the order reaches:
On December 10, 2007, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino stated that you issued a written directive to White House employees to preserve documents related to the destruction of the CIA interrogation tapes. Ms. Perino did not provide a copy of the directive, however, and she was unable to answer questions as to its breadth and scope.
Please confirm that the directive to preserve documents applied to the Executive Office of the President, including the National Security Council, in addition to immediate White House staff. In light of the Office of the Vice President’s record of fatuous arguments that it is not subject to the authority of the President, please also confirm that the directive included the Office of the Vice President and that the Office of the Vice President intends to comply.
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“…In light of the Office of the Vice President’s record of fatuous arguments…”
Reminds me of you, Frankie…..
December 11th, 2007 at 6:06 pmre 1
December 11th, 2007 at 6:08 pmThat’s what nixon thought frank.
that bastard’s suit barely covers him – how is some pesky “order” going to??
December 11th, 2007 at 6:09 pm#1: the President can declassify or classify {and} can destroy any document he wants.
– - For instance, the Constitution.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:11 pmand you support that Frank?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:16 pmIsn’t our congress part of the national leadership?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 11, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
that’s so pre-9/11
December 11th, 2007 at 6:16 pmAnd, Mr. Biden, you would believe an answer from Mr. Fielding why? Not that it would matter, as the usual Publican response is nothing, a sneer to the rule of law that was so important when investigating Mr. Clinton.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:17 pmAlso does it cover Guantanamo
December 11th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIt’s not likely that this order covers the President or Vice President. Just as the President can declassify or classify something (and delegate that power to the VP) he can destroy any document he wants.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You’re not particularly conversant with US law, are you? Never heard of the Presidential Records Act?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:20 pmhe can destroy any document he wants.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Not true.
Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2207, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents created or received after January 20, 1981 and mandates the preservation of all presidential records. The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents must manage their records.
Not… in… the… LEAST BIT TRUE!
100% EL WRONGO, Frankie!
December 11th, 2007 at 6:24 pmHell no he hasn’t – Frank learned all he knows about “the law” from Bigfoot.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:24 pmOnce again, gummitch, great minds think alike! :-D!!
December 11th, 2007 at 6:25 pmDoes the preservation order include the already shredded documents?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmPelosi and other democrats new about waterboarding …
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 11, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
That’S GNU, Mantastic… they GNU about waterboarding.
Sheez, lurn yerself sum grammer.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:27 pmFrank M:
Still. Not. Cutting. It.
He’s an embarrssment to trolldom. And that’s like being an embarrassment to the ‘62 Mets.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pmComment by CaptainMantastic: Apparently, Pelosi and other democrats new about waterboarding in 2002 and didn’t object:
http://newsbusters.org/ blogs/ jason-aslinger/ 2007/ 12/ 09/ pelosi-knew-about-waterboarding-2002-media-frenzy-follow
Two unnamed sources (read Administration flacks) putting out stories about what went on in a classified briefing. Really, really slimy. Pelosi can’t comment in detail about what she learned at the briefing and so can’t respond in the specific about the innuendos directed her way by the Bushies.
And Newsbusters? Gimme a break!
Isn’t our congress part of the national leadership?
Apparently not, if you listen to Bush. Congress is supposed to do whatever he tells them to do. He’s the Decider. The Commander Guy.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pmFrank M’s arguments are like my5 year old’s jokes. She has the form of the joke down, she asks a question then thows out a random response for the punch line. It’s funny, not becuase there is actual humor there but becase she’s 5 and it’s cute (and my daughter).
Frank on the other hand, makes a statement that is connected to the topic at hand in some random fashion on the surface, but doesn’t respond to anything real and he thinks he’s arguing. The difference frank is that my 5 year old will figure out what makes something funny, she’ll grow intellectually, you on the other hand, will never get any smarter than you are right now….
December 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThat practise is getting a little long in the tooth, especially now that they controll both houses of congress.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 11, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
What an asinine question.
You can’t prove your contention either way, dum dum. Just because you say this, it doesn’t mean it true, either the specifics or the generalization. Try again, and start w/ some verifiable facts.
BTW, what the comment, “now that they control both Houses” have to do w/ anything? Pure, unadulterated SILLY!!!
December 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmDoes the preservation order include the already shredded documents?
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — December 11, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Can we waterboard the shredder?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:35 pmApparently, Pelosi and other democrats new about waterboarding in 2002 and didn’t object:
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Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 11, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
If true, then they were complicit in war crimes. (That what’s good about the rule of law, rather than, say, authoritarian cultism.)
December 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pm“Why do democrats get away with supporting a decision, then when their positions become unpopular, they can pretend like they never supported them and knew better all along captian tick”
They don’t idiot. That is one of the differences between republicans and democrats. the rank and file democrats will hold our leaders responsible for their agregious actions. Remember President Johnson? He did a lot of good things for this country, but he escalated the Vietnam war and he was chased out of the whitehouse by the rank and file. it was messy, and there was not complete agreement by all democrats, but enough wanted him gone, and gone he went.
Republicans on the other hand, don’t care about what’s right. you care only about “winning” in the basest, most childish sense of the word.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:38 pm“The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,†said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.
Look, we don’t know how much information the briefer actually provided. All that has been alleged is that there was information about “enhanced interrogation techniques” but not what that information was.
If the Congressional representatives weren’t given specific and detailed information about those techniques they very well might have asked if they were “tough enough”. Hell, the very fact that they asked that question is a strong argument for their not receiving detailed information about those techniques. Can you even imagine anyone seeing a tape of someone being waterboarded or even reading a complete description of the procedure and still having questions about its being tough enough?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:41 pmhe can destroy any document he wants.
Comment by Frank M
W certainly has destroyed the Constitution, huh franky boy? You’re such a disgrace as an American.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmre 27,
and he can pay the consequenses for his crimes. If the dems grow a sack.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pmIf the dems grow a sack.
Comment by Bobwurst
I am eternally optimistic, but I will not hold my breath – and you shouldn’t either.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pmFrank and bigfoot wil get their education when Bush’s Blackwater folks show up to take their homes and property and run them off to the camps.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:54 pmTypical of the dishonesty of our trolls, CaptainMantastic quotes a blog quoting a newspaper article, without referencing the article itself and without including anything that doesn’t make Democrats sound bad. For those at all interested, the article appeared in the WaPo on the 9th. Here is a link. And here is some of the article the Captain conveniently forgot to include:
December 11th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Frank and bigfoot wil get their education when Bush’s Blackwater folks show up to take their homes and property and run them off to the camps.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
Unfortunately, Frink and Bagfoot are loyal bedwetters who are probably on the approved list of fraidy cats. Anyone loyal to America and the Constitution will have to worry, these two *cough, cough patriots need not worry.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmDoes anyone here actually think that Fred Fielding has the authority to tell Cheney to do anything?
December 11th, 2007 at 7:03 pmDoes anyone here actually think that Fred Fielding has the authority to tell Cheney to do anything?
Comment by mandolin
If you are talking about an elected government official who swore an oath to the Constitution then yes, Fielding’s opinions and decisions have merit and import. If you are talking about Richard B. Cheney, well, all bets are off.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:08 pmJust as the President … he can destroy any document he wants.
Comment by Frank M
Nothing like starting off the thread with stupid. The depth of stupidity of this neanderturd is astounding.
Frank you are setting a record here for stupid today, heck you are gonna pass up Mr. Pee for all time stupid.
Buck Fush
December 11th, 2007 at 7:23 pmI’ve have been making the case for a long time that progressives are monday morning quarterbacking the whole event.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
OR, we couldn’t have predicted that the current crop of criminals would undermine our entire rule of law, and hide all the evidence along the way.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pmIt only covers him/them if he/they have already finished destroying anything incriminating.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:29 pmFormaldehyde, it’s what keeps Dick well “preserved”.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmThis was the atmosphere after 9/11 when Bush had to make his decisions. But, there are no progressives here that acknowledge this. Trust me. I’ve have been making the case for a long time that progressives are monday morning quarterbacking the whole event.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 11, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
As opposed to the people who made those decisions in a panic and have now reconsidered them. Like, oh, Bush. Except he hasn’t. And he won’t.
“Progressives” have never been in favor of torture, rendition, or panicked responses to an attack. Your problem, well one of your problems, is an utter and complete inability to distinguish between “democrats” and “progressives”. Or even “some Democrats” and “progressives.”
And you never absorb this information because you have absolutely no intention, in spite of your claims, of actually listening and learning.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmBiden’s statement can be taken several ways, one being, does the preservation order cover keeping Cheney alive at all costs and if Cheney does pass on, how long do we preserve Cheney’s remains?
December 11th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThis was the atmosphere after 9/11 when Bush had to make his decisions. Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 11, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
The only atmosphere was that of determining what this meant for the next election. Believe it. 9/11 was a gift-horse to Cheney et. al.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:38 pmThis is why I love Joe Biden! He’s intelligent and doesn’t give a crap about whose toes he steps on to nail them to the wall or fight to get the truth. Although he’s not going to win the candidacy, he’d make one hellova cabinet member or Veep for the Dem who gets into office.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:48 pm“The atmosphere after 911″ was the same as the “atmosphere during 911″ when the Chimp sat reading My Pet Goat at a black primary school for a pathetic photo op while the WTC was taken down. He didn’t even bat an eyelash. Which is precisely what he’s done “after 911 to the present moment”. He’s clueless, criminal, and is now worried about covering his sorry derriere. War crimes and an international tribunal are in his future whether he knows it or not or likes it or not.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:51 pmAfter watching that infamous tape of his when the secret service man whispered in his ear that we were under attack (which was the second time he’d heard it – the first time he heard it was before he entered the classroom but the photo op was more important than even getting himself into a safe bunker. er….which is evidence that he definitely had no concerns about someone attacking him….(wink wink).
Do you realize that upon being told that our country was under attach, Bush did not even raise an eyebrow, roll his eyes, or otherwise look surprised, concerned, or even remotely interested??
Was this an indicate of the level of profound mental illness which we are just now beginning to witness and realize? Or was it because he was neither surprised, concerned, or even remotely interested because he was expecting it?? Or even directly involved?
All of his recent lies have shown this man to not have a single cell of credibility in his body so one would have to presume from all of this evidence that nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing (even a false flag on 911) would be beyond him – or beneath him.
At one point, people had to dig to connect the dots and then imagine someone so uncaring, so diabolical, so unpresidential to even think that this could be possible. The past years of continuous lies and covering up, destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice, constitution shredding, illegal spying, and the genocide of our patriotic innocents in Iraq all lead to the now-obvious conclusion.
BUSH KNEW! Just like he knew and condoned every other criminal activity that’s occurred, it all goes straight to the top where the buck finally and ultimately will stop.
BUSH KNEW!
December 11th, 2007 at 8:57 pmNow where’s Keith Olberman when I need him?
December 11th, 2007 at 8:58 pmLooking from outside the US I just wonder if you lot are in a time warp and are actuallly East German citizens. your Government’s (Cabal) criminality sounds so similar to the East German one that was part of the cold war and why did you bother cleaning up the Nazis, what have you gained? Commentator 45, you are on the right track, but you need science to prove your point, go to ae911truth.org or 911blogger.com.
December 12th, 2007 at 12:25 amgood luck, you naughty liberals/lefties.
At the time the media and the American people found out about it, Biden viewed the Abu Ghaib videos in a closed session with several other Congresspersons who looked sick, pale and shaken afterwards. Biden said the tapes were of atrocities that you would expect from Pol Pot or the Nazis. Bushco said publicly that Biden was out of line for comparing US troops to Nazis. Biden cried as he apologized publicly. DU posters were upset and said what is he crying for.
Biden and/or his family was threatened by the bush thugs, as was Congressman Pete Stark 2 months ago who said bush did not care about the soldiers and played with our troops like toy soldiers. A few days later, Stark cried when he apologized in a news conference. OUR CONGRESSPERSONS NEED SECRET SERVICE AGENTS TO KEEP THEM SAFE FROM CHENEY’S MOSSAD THUGS.
U.S. Military Brass Declares War on ZioCons:
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=295944591&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=&vc=1
December 12th, 2007 at 4:15 amRe: Iran War: American Military Versus Israel Firsters
It really doesn’t matter. Darth Cheney will just use his sith mind power.
Darth Cheney: These are not the documents you are looking for.
Patrick Leahy: These are not the documents I am looking for.
Darth Cheney: I can go about my business.
Patrick Leahy: You can go about your business.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:29 am