After Opposing Resolutions On Ramadan And Diwali, Rep. King Introduces Christmas Bill
After Opposing Resolutions On Ramadan And Diwali, Rep. King Introduces Christmas Bill
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) plans to take the House floor today and introduce a bill (HR 847) recognizing the “importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.”
A spokesman for King told ThinkProgress that the bill was introduced in response to previous resolutions recognizing the Muslim celebration of Ramadan and the Hindu Diwali. King, in fact, mirrored his Christmas resolution on the Ramadan one, according to the spokesman:
The Christmas resolution Congressman King has offered is only being offered because there have been two previous resolutions earlier this year in October, one for the Muslim holiday of Ramadan and one for the Hindu holiday of Diwali.
It was actually entirely unprecedented to even consider them for a vote. Religions have not been singled out and honored previously in Congress. But now that this precedent has been set, Congressman King thought it was important to honor Christmas. This is just simply the exact same language used as the Ramadan resolution on Oct 2.
Yet King didn’t even vote for the Ramadan resolution. King instead joined a handful of right-wing lawmakers, including Reps. Virgil Goode (R-VA) and Tom Tancredo (R-CO), who voted “present.” (They didn’t want to explicitly vote “no” because they didn’t want to be seen “as not commending religion in general.”)
Additionally, it’s questionable whether these religion resolutions are truly “unprecedented,” as King’s office claims. In the 109th Congress, the late JoAnn Davis (R-VA) also introduced a resolution recognizing the “the importance of the symbols and traditions of Christmas.” King voted for that bill.
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Good grief. What a collossal waste of friggin’ time.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:07 pmIt’s not enough that Christmas is the only religious holiday recognized by the US government?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:07 pmDiwali would be good for a world festival , the Hindus feed all the animals for free , from the crows to the rats , free food for everything
December 11th, 2007 at 1:08 pmso does that mean King will vote present for this one?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:09 pmWhere does this fall on the importance scale?
Iraq war
water boarding
CIA lies
Economy
Stem Cells
Cancer
recognizing the importance of the Christmas and the Christian faith.
Sure am glad Congress is there to recognize the importance of things.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:09 pmHow about a resolution recognizing the importance of Seperation of Powers, Liberty, and the Bill of Rights?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:10 pmDiwali is a celebratation of good over Evil
Congress Excluded then
December 11th, 2007 at 1:12 pmCan we just recognize ALL holidays celebrated by everybody in the country (including druid festivals), and then get back to the more serious business of lawmaking?
And yes — before the trolls start accusing me of being anti-Christmas — of course I believe that Christmas should be formally recognized if other religious holidays are. Just as I believe that other religious holidays should be recognized if Christmas is.
I just don’t think that it’s asking too much that our lawmakers get on with more important matters. Like impeachment.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:12 pmYou could probably go back to the posts from Ramadan and Diwali and find comments from the trolls about how the do-nothing congress is wasting precious time. Perhaps, they’ll be so good as to reiterate their positions now. It was one of the few instances where I agreed with the trolls 100%. There are people starving on the streets of this country. It really doesn’t matter if the congress resolves that santa is a positve role model for the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI just don’t think that it’s asking too much that our lawmakers get on with more important matters. Like impeachment.
Comment by missmolly — December 11, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Now just wait, missmolly. You know that, in order to be consistent, the trolls will let us know what a huge waste of time this is, much as they have claimed about any of the investigations being held by Waxman, etc.
Any minute now.
Just be patient.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:16 pmReligion is for morons.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:16 pmYeah, yeah, we all like christmas, yeah, yeah, Christ was a really cool dude and did nice things and talked about nice things, it’s just that christians are soooo Un-Chirst like, so NO we are not just a Christian nation, we are just a plain old Nation with many religions and no religions.
Could they possibly do something constructive, voting on this stuff is an insane waste of time.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 11th, 2007 at 1:19 pmI would vote for celebrating any holiday that recognizes the winter solstice. Oh, wait–that’s all the holidays that happen this time of year! The sun is coming back! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
December 11th, 2007 at 1:23 pmThis bill was referred to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs????
That’s a bit odd, isn’t it?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:25 pmtechnically speaking, king did not “oppose” the resolutions if he voted “present”. a “nay/no” vote would have demonstrated opposition.
and to cailleach, so so true.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThe bill is full of “whereas” clauses with interesting definitions of what Christianity is.
Nice of those Republicans to define it for us, eh?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:27 pmO’Really will blather on & on how great an American King (R) is while fondling himself during the phone call.
Aside from that, how about a law that legitimizes Santa Claus? Honoring the birth of Christ is fine, but Santa’s much more fun!
And by the way, Santa, make sure Bush gets that lump of coal he’s so enthused about, mmkai?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:30 pmNew House rule:
If you propose or co-sponsor meaningless legislation recognizing ANY holiday, then you must work on that holiday and EVERY holiday that also has meaningless supportive legislation.
On December 25th all these idiots should have to sit in the chamber of the house with their heads on their desks.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:33 pmThe day that reichwingnuts even begin to attempt to define Christianity is the day we know that this country is being run by a group of whackos.
At face value, since Ramadan, etc. have been recognized, it would be nice to see ALL faiths recognized in the same fashion - not by definition or any attempt thereof for any politico to believe themselves spiritual enough to even begin the defining process - but by the mere parity in making this acknowledgment.
However, that lofty thought goes right out the window with the heinous, divisive, and bigoted behavior of people like King and Tancredo (and this guy is running for Preznut!) not voting but merely saying “present”. They’re all a disgrace.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThe bill was co-sponsored by Terry Schiavo.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI further propose that we godless secular liberals do whatever we can to LOSE the war on christmas.
The justifications for this war was based on flawed intelligence. We should do the noble thing and pull out, say we’re sorry, whatever the hell it takes to stop this non-stop right wing crying.
Merry Christmas
December 11th, 2007 at 1:36 pm-Dee
A Bill?!?!
December 11th, 2007 at 1:36 pmwhat the hell happened to the Seperation of Church and State?
who is this guy? the King of Arseholes?
speaking of which, he can take his christian faith and shove it up his ass!
This is simply more reichwing Christo-fascist machination by the GOP idiots.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI only wish that our country was run like the British Parliament where a doofus like King would be boo-ed into the next century. What a nutjob he is.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:38 pmwhat a waste of congressional time when we’re in the midst of the veritable collapse of our government - and, of course, time is money - so they’re wasting our effin’ money to boot. Insult added to injury.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:39 pmDoes anyone not see now why the Founders chose to separate church and state??
We could live through a century of Dark Age while Religionists fight one another over who’s god can beat up whose.
Reintroducing religion into politics = one sure way to bring civilization to a screeching halt.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:44 pm.
Thocracy…
Gotta love it.
.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:45 pmTheocracy…
Gotta kill it!
December 11th, 2007 at 1:47 pm…and Jesus said, “Go forth and celebrate my birthday. Yeah it shall be as a lawful holiday, and a detriment to the poor.”
-Book of Appeasians 24:7
I agree with the previous poster, we should make these guys stand in front of their peers and the public and defend this stuff. How ridiculous.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:49 pmIf politicians really wanted to honor religion, they would leave it alone as matter of personal conscience, refrain from using it for their own political gain and agenda, and respect the wall of separation of church and state. Some kind of resolution stating THAT would get my support.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:51 pmOur lawmakers are complete nincompoops.
When are they going to start acting like grown-ups and getting on with the job of making laws.
Any lawmaker who wastes our time by introducing any bill that simply recognizes something should be given a swift kick and sent to sit in the corner with a dunce hat on for the rest of the day.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:53 pmIt will be interesting which far lefty’s vote against (or present)Christmas.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:54 pmIt will be interesting which far lefty’s vote against (or present)Christmas.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Who cares!!!????
December 11th, 2007 at 1:56 pm32. Hey Rog…I thought Christmas PRESENTS were what the whole holiday was about. I like presents.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:58 pmIt will be interesting which far lefty’s vote against (or present)Christmas.
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 11, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Or vote against politicizing religion - which is what these stupid resolutions do (all of them). As a practicing Christian, if I were a legislator, I would vote “no” on all of these manipulative resolutions.
RogerX2, you have once again presented a false choice. Will you ever evolve to Rogerx3?
December 11th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI read it and as a Christian I dont get it. Its like reading pages from the CIA factbook. Do you recognize number of Christians in America/World is_______x This seems like a SPV [structured pork vehicle]
It will be interesting which far lefty’s vote against (or present)Christmas.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Christmas was created so the Roman pagans would become part of Christianity. Santa Clause is not really Christian and is taken from other pagan things such as Ded Moroz, or SinterKlas..besides that Origen, one of the founders of the Christian church said that the birth of Christ, nor anyone, should be celebrated.
So the government want us to vote for a pagan tradition…Christ, it is thought, was born not in december but in march. You know that fish you see on Christian bumbers? Pisces.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:04 pmMore and more of religion talk,everyhere you look…it is religion talk. We are sucked into this like a fly caught by a spider web.
All day talking about Romeny’s Mormon faith, Huckabee’s faith, Evangelicals votes..etc. etc. This country cannot get itself deeper and deeper in this path of political religion.
Please…..
This is not about religion…it is about governing,balancing the budget,and keep this country safe and dealing with other countries in a very respectful way based on international laws…
No more of this religion talk, please
December 11th, 2007 at 2:06 pmWe are not electing religious people here,we are lecting politicans..enough pandering…!
(then roger showed up, to show me exactly who doesn’t understand why the Founders separated church and state, and who apparently wouldn’t mind seeing civilization grind to a halt over religionist infighting)
December 11th, 2007 at 2:11 pmtombaker,
December 11th, 2007 at 2:12 pmRX2 ‘ground to a halt’ shortly after birth. In fact, he was the afterbirth.
#36… the Christian fish symbol dates back to the days when there really was persecution of Christians and was a symbol the fellow christians would recognize but Romans would see but not understand. the initials of the Greek word for fish, ICTHYS stood for Jesus Christ, God’s Son, Saviour or some similar statement. The fact that it looked like Pisces is what kept the Christians from being discovered.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:12 pmIf I took one of the many opportunities I have standing in front of my generally conservative congregation to promote my progressive political views, it would be wrong. For a government official to take one of his or her frequent opportunities standing in front of the cameras to promote his or her religious values is just as, if not more, wrong.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:19 pm#40
And why were the early Christians persecuted? Because the Roman government permitted and encouraged it. The early Christians were victims of the lack of a wall of separation between church and state.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:21 pmc_h_l - maybe you should have a chat with PatrioticLiberalChristian about how mean we are to Christians, before shooting your fool mouth off yet again.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:23 pm(lil’ ol’ c_h_l just works SOOOO hard trying to conjure up those “gotcha” moments, doesn’t he? i, for one, think it’s cute as can be)
December 11th, 2007 at 2:24 pmWill this resolution finally put an end to the War On Christmas?
Sheesh, don’t they have anything better to do?
December 11th, 2007 at 2:26 pmDid TP post a similar negative article when there were similar resolutions regarding Ramadan And Diwali, or is TP only commenting in a negative way because this resultion happens to be about Christmas?
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 11, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
It’s because it’s about hypocrisy, fool.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:27 pmBoth Hinduism, and Islam, are incompatible at their very core with the United States’ basic governing principles.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:27 pmWill this resolution finally put an end to the War On Christmas?
Not until another nice white girl goes missing on an island.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:27 pmc_h_l - maybe you should have a chat with PatrioticLiberalChristian about how mean we are to Christians, before shooting your fool mouth off yet again.
Comment by tombaker — December 11, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
Absolutely! I have had much more vitriol thrown at me from St. Daryll than any of the agnostics or atheists posting on this site. I also am more afraid of having my religious freedom assaulted by those who try to falsely claim and/or make the U.S. a “Christian nation”. If you want to see the negative results of state involvement in religion, look to Europe with all its beautiful, and empty, churches. Or really look at the concept of “divine right” under which King George ruled the American colonies, which the founding fathers countered by offering a parallel alternative of the inherent rights of the people. The accomodationists will ruin both religion and democracy.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBoth Hinduism, and Islam, are incompatible at their very core with the United States’ basic governing principles. -Big (O)
Would Jesus do empire?
December 11th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThe United States is a primarily Christian Nation, always has been, and hopefully, always will be.
Christmas is a Holiday for Christians, and anyone else who feels so inclined, to celebrate. It is a symbol of our national heritage.
Since neither Hinduism, nor Islam, are predominate religions in this country, and should not be encouraged to become predominate, neither Ramadan nor Diwali deserve national recognition.
Both Hinduism, and Islam, are incompatible at their very core with the United States’ basic governing principles.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
I guess we can rule out recognition of Chanukah, too, huh?
The United States is NOT a Christian nation, and thank god for that. You should try reading the Constitution and the Bill of Rights some day when you’re bored. This is a nonsectarian nation, which encourages each and every individual to celebrate their religion — or the lack of it — as it best suits them.
Given our history, it seems unlikely that another religion should become the majority faith in this country, but acknowledging that others exist is hardly dangerous. Trying to create an “official” religion is extremely dangerous, and it is precisely the fact that Christians are the largest group in the nation that makes it critical they not be granted any official status.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:36 pmDid TP post a similar negative article when there were similar resolutions regarding Ramadan And Diwali, or is TP only commenting in a negative way because this resultion happens to be about Christmas?
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 11, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
The negativity you sense in this item isn’t because the resolution happens to be about Christmas. It’s because of the hypocrisy exhibited by King, Goode, and Tancredo in not voting for resolutions recognizing some holidays but putting forth a resolution for another.
I believe the point being made is if you’re going to recognize religious holidays, recognize them all. Or don’t waste your time. It’s NOT about saying that Ramadan is somehow more worthy of recognition.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:38 pmSteve King?
You mean this guy?:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 10/ 18/ rep-kings-new-name-for-schip/
Jesus would be proud.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:43 pmThis bill isn’t about Christianity or Christmas.
It’s about Righties stomping their feet, whining & forcing congress into a corner so they can get their way. If you don’t go along with the ruse, they’ll call you an unholy heathen, and even send letters to voters in your district.
It’s quite parallel to Bush, who can’t be wrong, overturned, or accountable in a normal fashion.
Bipartisanship left the building with Bill Clinton 7 years ago…
December 11th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThe United States is a primarily Christian Nation, always has been, and hopefully, always will be.
Christmas is a Holiday for Christians, and anyone else who feels so inclined, to celebrate. It is a symbol of our national heritage.
Since neither Hinduism, nor Islam, are predominate religions in this country, and should not be encouraged to become predominate, neither Ramadan nor Diwali deserve national recognition.
Both Hinduism, and Islam, are incompatible at their very core with the United States’ basic governing principles.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Isn’t it time for you to go get your hood at the dry cleaners and pick up some wood at for the cross burning. Run along you racist bigot, don’t want to be late.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThe United States is a primarily Christian Nation, always has been, and hopefully, always will be.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Wrong.
Read this:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religionâ€
- Our US Constitution
And then read it again, and again, and agin until you understand it.
Both Hinduism, and Islam, are incompatible at their very core with the United States’ basic governing principles.
Wrong again.
One of the basic defining principles that our nation is founded on is religious freedom. So people being able to practice other faiths in our country is exactly what our founding fathers intended.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBoth Hinduism, and Islam, are incompatible at their very core with the United States’ basic governing principles.
Comment by Xisithrus — December 11, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
In what way? The only thing I can think of about that statement might be the caste system prevalent in Hinduism that would be hard to work into a “all men are equal” mindset that our founding fathers envisioned. And even THAT is a subject for debate — there are many who see the caste system as an outdated social custom and unsupported by scriptures. I can’t find anything else about Hinduism that couldn’t be compatible with our Constitution.
As far as Islam goes, I know of anything in that religion that would be any more incompatible with our governing principles than Christianity is. People who warp scripture from any sacred text to fit their own twisted agenda can be hazardous to our governing principles no matter what religion they are.
So please explain what I have missed about these religions. Apparently you know something I don’t.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:50 pmoops — “I know of anything in that religion” should be “I don’t know of anything in that religion”
December 11th, 2007 at 2:51 pmIt is about the hypocrisy — of ThinkProgress.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 11, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
You are, as usual, full of it. But your constant complaint that TP and the people posting here are anti-Christian is so absurd it barely merits a response.
Your assertion is a lie, nothing more, no matter how often you repeat it.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:52 pmHow come R’s get to take the House floor at all? Didn’t they exclude D’s from just about everything? They should tell Rep. “I’m not a queen” King to find a closet in the basement to make his little whining speech, poor little persecuted thug.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pmSo please explain what I have missed about these religions. Apparently you know something I don’t.
Comment by missmolly — December 11, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
I seriously doubt that. In fact, I seriously doubt that Bigfoot knows anything about either religion other than the anti-Muslim tracts he’s picked up on the Internet.
If he bothers to respond at all, it will be after some feverish digging in Wikipedia.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pmIf he bothers to respond at all, it will be after some feverish digging in Wikipedia.
Comment by gummitch — December 11, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
Hey, if we can get him to Wikipedia, he might actually learn something. It contains some useful information about both religions.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:55 pmChristmas is a Holiday for Christians, and anyone else who feels so inclined, to celebrate. It is a symbol of our national heritage.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
WRONG!
It is NOT a symbol of OUR national heritage. It is a misguided symbol of YOUR so-called christian faith. It is a pagan ritual that historically speaking was not recognized by (true) christians. It wasn’t until the 19th century that it gained more wide-spread acceptance in this country. That hardly qualifies it for national heritage symbol status.
Keep your faith and and your pagan rituals to yourself.
December 11th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYou mean this guy?:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 10/ 18/ rep-kings-new-name-for-schip/
Jesus would be proud.
Comment by RickS — December 11, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Rep King has way too much time on his hands!
December 11th, 2007 at 3:11 pmIowa, you can do much better than that!
Why is every article TP posts about Christianity anti-Christian? every article TP posts about Judaism anti-Jew? and every article TP posts about Muslims pro-Islam? Pure hypocrisy.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 11, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
You’re full of absolutes today, aren’t you? EVERY article?
Let’s examine your points one by one. First — “anti-Christian” articles. Would you believe I just typed “Christian” into the TP search engine and I couldn’t find a single “anti-Christian” one? What I did find was plenty of articles that put hypocrites, bigots, and political panderers claiming to be “Christian” in a negative light. I could not find any articles bashing Christianity in general — just bashing hatred, intolerance, and exploitation in the name of Christianity.
Now, let’s look at your claim of “anti-Jew” articles. Back to the search engine. A search for “Judaism” gives only two articles, one about Bill O’Reilly’s war on Christmas, and the other about the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism being part of a coalition attacking opponents of right-wing SC nominee Alito. Searches for “Jewish” and “Jew” yield virtually nothing negative — mostly stupid things people say ABOUT Jews. A search for “Israel” yields both positive and negative articles about Israel’s actions, but all political — nothing bashing Judaism.
Lastly — your claim about “pro-Islam” articles. A search for “Islam” shows most articles mentioning it condemned anti-Islam bigotry (such as from radio talk show hosts like Michael Savage) or just condemning stupid and ignorant remarks about Islam made by politicians. A search for “Muslim” brought up most of the articles that “Islam” did, plus articles that used “Muslim” in a neutral sense — such as “sunni Muslims” and “shiite Muslims” in articles about events in the Middle East.
In summary, I didn’t see any trend of endorsing Islam while condemning Christianity and Judaism. In fact, I couldn’t find ANY article condemning or praising ANY religion. There was, however, a definite trend of bashing bigotry, hatred, ignorance, and general stupid remarks by politicians and other talking heads.
I conclude that you did no actual research through TPs archives to support your claim of hypocrisy. I am guessing that you just pulled this accusation out of your a$$ and hoped we would assume there was some basis for it.
December 11th, 2007 at 3:26 pmDid TP post a similar negative article when there were similar resolutions regarding Ramadan And Diwali, or is TP only commenting in a negative way because this resultion happens to be about Christmas?
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 11, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
I don’t know. Why don’t you check it out. You know when most people don’t like something they tend to avoid it. You seem to have a lot of beefs with this site. Why do you hand out here so much. Ill conceived imaginary crusade by any chance?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI welcome any Hindus or Muslims to convert to Christianity.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Why don’t you welcome anyone of any faith to convert to any other faith they wish?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:29 pmBecause any faith other than Christianity is the sure road to hell.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
dbadass,
so much for an intelligent discussion, huh?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:36 pmComment by LividLib — December 11, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
I’d be amazed if I thought O. Bigfoot was anything other than an attention seeker
December 11th, 2007 at 4:43 pmSo just to pursue this assinine line of thought, how do you rank the multitude of Christian sects O. Bigfoot. Lay out the hierarchy of superiority for us.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pmBecause any faith other than Christianity is the sure road to hell.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
There are some Muslims who say the same thing about their faith. You have a lot in common with them.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:05 pm“I can answer that. It’s because one of the tenets of radical liberalism is the hatred of America’s traditional religions and those who practice those religions.”
I thought America only has one religion, at least only one that counted.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:22 pmthought America only has one religion, at least only one that counted.
Comment by RickS — December 11, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Please explain as this doesn’t seem to make any sense. These seems to indicate that the hatred of religious diversity lays at the feet of the intolerant not at the feet of political ideology
December 11th, 2007 at 5:37 pm“Both Hinduism, and Islam, are incompatible at their very core with the United States’ basic governing principles. -Big (O)
Would Jesus do empire?
Comment by Xisithrus — December 11, 2007 @ 2:33 pmâ€
Perhaps, but I feel he would most likely do Kingdom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
That doesn’t sound like democracy.
You do realize that a kingdon is a monarchy right?
December 11th, 2007 at 5:37 pm“Why is every article TP posts about Christianity anti-Christian? every article TP posts about Judaism anti-Jew? and every article TP posts about Muslims pro-Islam? Pure hypocrisy.
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 11, 2007 @ 2:53 pmâ€
I can answer that. It’s because one of the tenets of radical liberalism is the hatred of America’s traditional religions and those who practice those religions.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
missmolly already de-bunked this very thoroughly in post #69. Read the thread before you post.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:41 pm“Rad-Lib Com-Symps are trying to dilute our precious essence, Mandrake!! That’s why we must act now!! before our precious bodily essences are too weak to see it through!!!!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI find it deeply disturbing the Congress is talking about religion. This cannot be a good sign of things to come.
December 11th, 2007 at 11:51 pmc_h_l - maybe you should have a chat with PatrioticLiberalChristian about how mean we are to Christians, before shooting your fool mouth off yet again.
Comment by tombaker — December 11, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
It’s easy enough to accept the Christianity of those who feel no need to defend it. Respect for PLC’s religion is evident in such posts as:
Good one. Be sure to get a good bulletproof vest, you know how them “christians†like to shoot abortion doctors and other assorted athiests
Comment by Wayne — December 10, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Perhaps the U.S. will need Jesus to survive,
if you pronounce it Hay-Zeus.
Comment by Saint Augustine — December 10, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
MiniTron, it doesn’t matter what the other planks of his platform are, his sad devotion to fundi xianism renders takes precedence over his other views. His anti-science bias renders him a non-electable candidate.
Comment by RUCerious — December 10, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
I can feel the love for your fellow lib. It’s like the “Uncle Tom” of the lib/religion kind. ;)
December 11th, 2007 at 11:52 pm(lil’ ol’ c_h_l just works SOOOO hard trying to conjure up those “gotcha†moments, doesn’t he? i, for one, think it’s cute as can be)
Comment by tombaker — December 11, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
You did, however, fail to address the question of whether there was a similar post from TP when the resolutions were passed supporting Ramadan and Diwali. ;)
December 12th, 2007 at 12:04 amDid TP post a similar negative article when there were similar resolutions regarding Ramadan And Diwali, or is TP only commenting in a negative way because this resultion happens to be about Christmas?
Comment by cold_hard_left — December 11, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
It’s because it’s about hypocrisy, fool.
Comment by gummitch — December 11, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
It’s hypocrisy to expect the dominant religion in the nation to get at least the same recognition as the less common?
December 12th, 2007 at 12:09 amThe United States is a primarily Christian Nation, always has been, and hopefully, always will be.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Wrong.
Read this:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religionâ€
- Our US Constitution
And then read it again, and again, and agin until you understand it.
Comment by DigDug — December 11, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
Saying that the U.S. is primarily a Christian nation is not a reference to a govt religion. It’s a statement of fact about the religion claimed by a majority of the people. ;)
December 12th, 2007 at 12:15 amWe now are able to see the divisive effects of Republican failure to clearly honor the tradition of separation of church and state in America. Huckabee is questioning whether Mormons think Jesus and Satan were brothers. These fools are demanding that the congress stamp its imprimatur on Christianity. Romney says he wouldn’t think Moslems could be part of his cabinet. Ordained ministers and “bishops” are running for the highest office of the land, and the president claims to have intimate conversations with God Himself.
This is actually an opportunity for the Democrats. They should call attention to the divisiveness of this internecine struggle and illustrate how the clear separation of church and state is to the benefit of all of America’s citizens. By framing it as a tradition capable of uniting the people rather than dividing them, they might have some success in winning over the devout to a more secularized government…then again, a lot of these right wingnuts have their heads up their butts, so I may be wrong.
December 12th, 2007 at 6:49 amFundamentalist believers today claim that the United States is a Christian Nation. This assertion is counterfeit and false! In fact, most of the early Constitutional forefathers not only vehemently opposed much of traditional Christian doctrine, but installed safeguards so that Christianity could not be adopted as the National Religion. Why? Because this Nation was brought into being in its Constitutional form in order to become a Spiritual Nation — and the two are not the same. A spiritual religion is one where man communes directly with God — there can be no manmade doctrines of belief — and this was the foundation of what our Diest forefathers called Natural Religion.
December 12th, 2007 at 9:07 amWhile it is true that traditional Christianity is an important part of the equation because it is imbued with the elevated concepts of TheWay and the teachings of Yeshua/Jesus, present-day Christianities self-imposed spiritual limitations in the form of the adoption of the doctrines of Pagan Rome, in conjunction with the very limited doctrines of Martin Luther and the framers of the Protestant Reformation, has relegated Christianity to an entry-level religion that teaches people to live in accordance with the simple faith while obstructing the solid food of the Gospel which is the Higher Mysteries of God. Thus, while Christianity poses an obstacle to the true spirituality envisioned by our Constitutional forefathers, it does serve the needs of the common people in preparing them for the Higher Spiritual Revelations that can only be learned from man’s Indwelling Source of True Knowledge.
thought America only has one religion, at least only one that counted.
Comment by RickS — December 11, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Please explain as this doesn’t seem to make any sense. These seems to indicate that the hatred of religious diversity lays at the feet of the intolerant not at the feet of political ideology
Comment by dbadass
I was actually questioning why Bigfoot on the one hand says that Christianity is the only religion that counts, but then says that “radical liberalism” hates America’s traditional religions (plural).
So is he saying that there are religions just as important as Christianity in this country?
That was the gist of my comment.
December 12th, 2007 at 11:35 amHow did this bill make it out of Committee and onto the floor for a vote? Just another Terry Schiavo fiasco.
December 12th, 2007 at 11:39 amAnd right wing Christianity doesn’t fit in with the founding principles. King’s version of White Christmas goes like this:
December 12th, 2007 at 11:42 amMy favorite folks are white Christians
Who don’t give Democrats a break.
The God we believe in
Says, “Kill the heathen
And burn witches at the stake!”
O Bigfoot,
Don’t you get it? You have to believe in hell in order to go there.
December 12th, 2007 at 11:44 amClemdog - great post! It was insightful, intellectual and factual all of which is something the lemming trolls won’t understand.
December 12th, 2007 at 11:47 amClemdog,
December 12th, 2007 at 11:47 amI should have written “intelligent”, not intellectual. Duh.
Where is the recognition of the importance of Greek/Roman (Republic, therefore pre-Christian) culture to our founding principles. If there was any culture that was influential, that was it. But OMG - those Greeks had same-sex relationships. Noooooooooooooooooooo!
December 12th, 2007 at 12:05 pmSo, when will one of these congressional reps introduce a bill recognizing us pastafarians? I feel so slighted. FSM rules.
December 21st, 2007 at 9:46 pm