Mukasey ‘undecided’ on whether waterboarding = torture.
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Mukasey ‘undecided’ on whether waterboarding = torture.
In his first public statements regarding the CIA’s destruction of the torture tapes, Attorney General Michael Mukasey said today he “refused to be rushed into deciding whether he considers waterboarding a form of torture. … Mukasey said he has not yet concluded a review of Justice Department memos to determine whether waterboarding amounts to torture — which would deem it illegal.” During his confirmation hearing, Mukasey refused to call waterboarding torture.
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OK, put him under again.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:02 pmREALLY, let’s just waterboard him until he reaches a conclusion. If he dies, he dies.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:04 pmChuck, Dianne–look at your boy stalling. Next he’s going to say he can’t make an informed decision because he wasn’t able to view the tapes that were destroyed.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWell, well, well, no surprise there.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWe tried and convicted US soldiers who did this in the Phillipines after the Spanish American War, tried and convicted Japanese of this who did it to our soldiers during WWII. The one GOP candidate who is running for president who has been tortured states it’s torture, the Geneva Convention, to which the US is a signator, defines it as torture. Exactly what is the question here?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:05 pmSchumer, DiFi, you get to shut up now. You are the reason this man has a job. You might as well have just kept Abu Gonzales in place.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:06 pmMukasey ‘undecided’ on whether he is allowed to make decisions without the White House’s approval.
Less to come.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:10 pmSick and sadistic Bush administration. I’ve always heard that there are people who enjoy torturing others. Usually they’re called sociopaths, but in the United States they’re called Republicans.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIs it too much to ask to get an Attorney General who is actually capable of rendering an opinion regarding one of the most important legal questions of our time?
It that REALLY too much to ask?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmJust 35 seconds and we got actionable information.
Think about that.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
So Mukasey won’t be under too long before he has to make a decision.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmWhat do you expect from a dual Israeli/American citizen who has no loyalty whatsoever to the United States?
The intent of torture, in this context, isn’t to acquire information but to radicalize the subject.
Both Sayyid Qutb (the founder of modern Islamic Fundamentalism) and Ayman Al-Zawahiri (the true head of Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood) were severely tortured ’till they literally snapped and became radicals.
Why else do you think these nutjobs are so defensive of being allowed to continue torturing Muslims? They NEED to create more enemies in order to keep the “War on Terror” going on into perpetuity.
There is no other logical conclusion.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThink about that.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
John McCain was tortured for years and readily admits that torture does not yield credible information.
Think about that.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:14 pmI see Frank ignored two keys points of the Raw Story article: 1) the agent quoted didn’t personally witness the waterboarding and 2) this same agent believes that the technique is torture and shouldn’t be used by the United States.
Way to go, Frank.
Can we get better trolls please? Frank STILL ain’t cutting it.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThank you, Democrats for allowing this ass to be confirmed.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhy did we vote for a Democratic majority in 2006? …and if this is what we get, why should we show up in November 2008?
Instead of waterboarding, we should just chop off one hand, and then give them 30 seconds to talk before we chop off the other.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThen, if they still won’t talk, cut off one leg. Then another.
And if they still don’t talk, dress them in armor and put them by a bridge, where they can prevent other knights from crossing…
not a terrorist harboring informaton about future attacks.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Because it won’t yield credible informaton [sic] about future attacks. Fact.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:15 pmNice post, JPV, thank you.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThink about that.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
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Our own Generals and military leaders tell us that torture is ineffective and does not work. It produces incorrect information (they will tell you anything just to make you stop) that sends valuable intelligence assets on a wild goose chase.
http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1204-16.htm
Think about that
December 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pm#11: It’s kind of telling that you’d be ready to waterboard your fellow citizen but not a terrorist harboring informaton about future attacks.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Idiot, eveyone knows people will talk under torture, but people who know interrogation know what you actually get in actionable intelligenceis garbage. John McCain, he talked, gave them the starting offense of the Packers when they wanted names of people in his squadron. Torture DOES NOT WORK, just because it does on 24 doesn’t make it so in the real world. Someone from Child Services should take your children away, you are unfit to have a goldfish let alone children.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pmCan we get better trolls please? Frank STILL ain’t cutting it.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — December 11, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Sadly, Frankkk is the best the reich-wing has to offer.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pmHe’s waiting for his orders from the Mafia Don himself first, his loyalty oath to Bush the Impaler was signed in blood (puppy and kitten blood) and he will do as commanded by his Satanic Leader Bush the Impaler.
Bush/Cheney/Frank M.
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 11th, 2007 at 4:17 pmAll this attention to Frank is torture.
Time for him to go home & graciously submit to his cousin. wife. billy.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:18 pmIf Johnnie Cochran was still around,
If it don’t leave a scar,
December 11th, 2007 at 4:19 pmIt ain’t torture.
Frank…what are you basing the 35 seconds on? What they said? Did you see the tape? Oh, why not? because it was destroyed. And this so-called 35 seconds–this was on the first day of his interrogation? Or were there days and weeks of sessions before the 35 seconds? How do you know this? because they say so? And will they offer any proof besides their statement? No? Why not? Oh that’s right–the evidence is gone and the transcripts are classified. I’m glad You have faith that our government always tells us the truth. I just hope you will be a subserviant to Hillary as you are to Bush. Frank never questions his master. Nice master wouldn’t hurt Frank– wouldn’t tell him lies.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:21 pmJust 35 seconds and we got actionable information.
Think about that.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
December 11th, 2007 at 4:22 pmBreaking the law for information that has been proven to be less than reliable , while also losing any moral high-ground we may have been standing on for all these years as well as losing the respect and the view that we are the single shining beacon of democracy around the world ; think about that , you goddamn coward…………
It’s kind of telling that you’d be ready to waterboard your fellow citizen but not a terrorist harboring informaton about future attacks.
Comment by Frank M
Mukasey is an Israeli citizen. Let him get tortured for all I care.
Anyway, why are you such a fraidy cat regarding Muslims?
20,000 Americans were murdered this year alone.
Why don’t you fear being murdered? Your chances are FAR greater.
You’re not a totally brainwashed moron who concerns himself with what the media tells him to be concerned with… are you?
No need to answer that question… the answer is painfully obvious.
I always find it humorous when so-called Republicans try to paint Democrats as spineless when it comes to national security issues and then use the FEAR of terrorist acts to justify the stripping of our freedoms.
Personally I’d gladly risk security in order to retain my freedoms. Somehow in the bizzaro world we find ourselves living in, that would make me a chicken.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:22 pm“Don’t rush me” has to top the list of weak-kneed excuse-making and ass covering ever uttered in public by a government official.
2!! Medals of Freedom for Mukasey, and a fiefdom in rural Virginia!
December 11th, 2007 at 4:23 pmAbdallah Higazy coerced by FBI agent to plead guilty by torture
December 11th, 2007 at 4:25 pmThank you, Democrats for allowing this ass to be confirmed.
Why did we vote for a Democratic majority in 2006? …and if this is what we get, why should we show up in November 2008?
Comment by ShamRockNRoll
Both Diane Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are Jews and were the two primary Democrats responsible for appointing an Israeli/American AG into office.
Doesn’t anybody see a pattern forming here yet?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:25 pmComment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
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Wait a second there Frank. As long as she keeps the troops deployed you will support her won’t you? You have to support your president in a time of war, right?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:26 pm#27: Hillary will never be a President. She may get elected, but to me she’ll never be a President.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
December 11th, 2007 at 4:27 pmUnlike your retarded simian hero , who no one here regards as their president , and who was never truly elected , but selected………..
It’s kind of telling that you’d be ready to waterboard your fellow citizen but not a terrorist harboring informaton about future attacks.
Comment by Frank M
Frank is the type of American who is so scared of brown people, he would be happy to annoint bush king, and be done with it. To people like Frank all the ‘details’ in the Constitution mean nothing - as long as he feels safe hiding under his bed. If ‘patriots’ like Frank were around during the time of our own revolution, we would still be speaking in British accents. Frank would have been too scared to do the right thing - he might get hurt.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThank you, Democrats for allowing this ass to be confirmed.
Why did we vote for a Democratic majority in 2006? …and if this is what we get, why should we show up in November 2008?
Comment by ShamRockNRoll
Both Diane Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are Jews and were the two primary Democrats responsible for appointing an Israeli/American AG into office.
Doesn’t anybody see a pattern forming here yet?
Comment by JPV — December 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
December 11th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYeah………That you’re anti-Semitic
Hillary will never be a President. She may get elected, but to me she’ll never be a President.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
And Frank publically declares his distaste for democracy.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:28 pmNow you know how we feel about Bush, Fran’NMouth.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:29 pm#11: It’s kind of telling that you’d be ready to waterboard your fellow citizen but not a terrorist harboring informaton about future attacks.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Oh don’t take me so seriously there Frankie. Just a little toture homour on my part.
Then again, how do I know Mukasey isn’t a terrorist. Maybe if we torture him we’ll get some good information.
Or better yet, how do I know if the person we are torturing is a terrorist in the first place. What happens if he turns out to be, shall we presume, innocent? Do we give him an an apology and a consolation prize?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:30 pm#34: Well, that’s the point. She’ll never be a President to me.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
And now you know how 70% of Americans feels about the chimp currently squatting in our WH.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:30 pmAll this means is that:
A) He hasn’t received his official “positions” from Darth Cheney yet, or
B) He HAS received them, but still has enough shreds of his soul left to actually utter them publicly. When the last of his soul has fled, he will be able to parrot the Cheney position with no problem.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:30 pm#34: Well, that’s the point. She’ll never be a President to me.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
As if you 20%’ers actually matter or have been correct about anything , along with your imbecilic simian hero , during the last 7 years anyway ?
Why do you clowns believe you possess any type of credibility whatsoever ?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:31 pmSo, for those who support torture, and believe that it is effective, I have to ask, where does it stop? If we arrest a suspected drug dealer, do we waterboard him till he starts giving up names? If we arrest a suspected rapist, do we starve him until he confesses? If we arrest a suspected kiddie porn distributor, do we put him in stress positions sensory deprivation until he starts telling us who he sold to? And once they give up this information, how much of our police force should be committed to following up on all these leads? When the drug dealer gives up the name “Exley”, do we have SWAT raid his house in the middle of the night? When the porn distributor gives up the name “Frank M” do we take his children away and put him on the sex offender list?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:32 pmIf a Democratic Administration had been caught waterboarding, there would be no phony debate on whether waterboarding is torture.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:33 pm#27: Hillary will never be a President. She may get elected, but to me she’ll never be a President.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
So let me get this straight. We’re supposed to rally behind Bush and stand by “our president” because this is “a time of war”? But the same doesn’t apply to Hillary Clinton if she is elected because you will never consider her your president?
Nice double standard.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:33 pmHe told the idiots in congress that, right before they rolled over and confirmed him.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 11, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
thanks for the input.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:37 pmParaphrasing from the Lauer/Kiriakon interview this morning:
This description that Kiriakno gives is the reason that I do not believe a word that came out of the alleged terriost mouth after 30 to 35 seconds of waterboarding.
How long did they let him recoup from his physical injuries before the began the process of waterboarding him?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#27: Hillary will never be a President. She may get elected, but to me she’ll never be a President.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Frank, if she is elected she will be America’s freely-elected leader. Are you saying that you will disavow your being an American rather than give her a chance? I don’t support her as my candidate but if she is elected I will stand behind her until she betrays my trust. I gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt. I watched the WTC fall on 9/11 from a 1/2 mile away and I believed the president when he said he was going to bring bin Laden to justice. He betrayed us. He stabbed every one in America in the back so he lost my support. I find it amazing that anyone can still support this buffoon, let alone take him at his word when he says “trust me.”
December 11th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI think it is a shame that our country has come to this point. Rather than being a moral beacon for the world we are racing to the bottom. I don’t know what is sadder, that torture is being carried out in my name, or that twits like “Bigfoot” think it is okay.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:45 pmYeah………That you’re anti-Semitic
Comment by MCMetal
Typical.
You make any criticism directed at Israel, and it’s supporters, and all of a sudden you’re an anti-Semite.
Funny, I criticize American politics all the time and NEVER get called anti-Christian.
IMO, there is a clear difference to the policies of the Israeli government (and those that support and further these policies) and the Jewish people themselves.
Apparently your too STUPID to make that distinction.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmFrank M is today’s RNC supplied troll of the day. He is a raving lunatic fringe right-wing nut job who “visit(s) a lot of liberal sites”. What a jerk.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmThey know that sometimes ugly things have to happen for us to be safe.
Comment by Frank M
Why aren’t you advocating that ugly things need to happen to protect the 20,000 Americans that get murdered every year?
Why do you see Islam as a greater threat to our safety?
Why are you such a complete and utter MORON?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:49 pmMukasey was confirmed to his position despite stating he was unwilling to answer the question of whether he considers waterboarding, as practiced by the United States, to be torture.
Now he states the same thing again, and it gets the left all riled up again?
Most Americans support the use of waterboarding by our government as a method of interrogation if it means saving American lives. Though the left keeps trying to push this issue as “one of the great legal questions of our timeâ€, they must realize they have already lost the issue.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
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#54: Exactly. If you visit a lot liberal sites like I do, you’ll see that this is practically the only topic they have at the moment. Yet, the public doesn’t care and the media doesn’t overhype this (non)-issue. They know that sometimes ugly things have to happen for us to be safe.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Why don’t you 2 get a room. As to you Big Idiot, people who know interrogation know torture doesn’t work, but facts are something your small little mind can grasp
December 11th, 2007 at 4:49 pmShould have refused to call him Attorney General!
December 11th, 2007 at 4:49 pmAgain. What makes you think that I’m getting paid to visit liberal sites?
Comment by Frank M
LOL!!!! Because no one would conceivably spout of the idiocy and nonsense that you do for free.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pmMukasey should be reassured to know that history is on his side…
“It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God.” - Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 01 Aug. 1923
December 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pmMukasey should be reassured to know that history is on his side…
“It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God.†- Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 01 Aug. 1923
Comment by curmudgeon
Awesome!
December 11th, 2007 at 4:52 pmUgly things are already happening in law enforcement. Are you saying that because 20000 people are murdered every year, we should just drop the fight against the biggest external threat we’ve faced since the Warsaw Pact?
Comment by Frank M
No, I just don’t think that it should b used as a pretext to erode more of our freedoms. After all, what is it that we are trying to protect anyway?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pm“Most Americans support the use of waterboarding by our government as a method of interrogation if it means saving American lives Bullshit. Though the left keeps trying to push this issue as “one of the great legal questions of our timeâ€, they must realize they have already lost the issue.”Bullshit
Most Americans do not condone the use of waterboarding and the left doesn’t consider this to be “one of the great legal questions of our time” as a whole. It’s a non-question. It has been proven that waterboarding is torture. We (ya know the USA) arrested people for it.
It has been considered torture up until Bush took office. Why is it not considered torture now? And don’t give me any of the “pre or post 9/11″ bullshit. ‘Cause that excuse is worn out.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:54 pmMost Americans support the use of waterboarding by our government as a method of interrogation if it means saving American lives. Though the left keeps trying to push this issue as “one of the great legal questions of our timeâ€, they must realize they have already lost the issue.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — December 11, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
O Bigfoot and his magical psychic powers. No one need take any more surveys, just ask O Bigfoot what “most Americans” believe, think, or feel.
Thanks, O Bigfoot for sharing your magic with us.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:54 pm“they must realize they have already lost the issue.”
Actually, your side lost the issue back at Nuremberg.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:54 pmNo, I just don’t think that it should b used as a pretext to erode more of our freedoms. After all, what is it that we are trying to protect anyway?
Comment by JPV — December 11, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Frank doesn’t believe in freedoms. Frank is a self-admitted fascist. End of story.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:55 pmUgly things are already happening in law enforcement. Are you saying that because 20000 people are murdered every year, we should just drop the fight against the biggest external threat we’ve faced since the Warsaw Pact?
Comment by Frank M
LOL!!! And somehow, I find it VERY hard to believe that a handful of nutjob Islamic Fundamentalist are the BIGGEST threat that we’ve faced since the Warsaw Pact. Get real here.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIf I wanted to be a terrorists I think I would practice holding my breath and learn to play dead. A good acting job and the ability to hold my breath longer than 2 minutes would surly thwart the military practice of water boarding.
Comment by Billy Hill — December 11, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Doesn’t matter how long you can hold your breath, because waterboarding forces your lungs to fill with water.
All of the supporters of waterboarding should be forced to endure the POW camp portion of SERE training and really experience torture first hand.
I still hate my SERE instructors, with a passion ( even though I know they were just doing their jobs ) hehe
December 11th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#59: Ugly things are already happening in law enforcement. Are you saying that because 20000 people are murdered every year, we should just drop the fight against the biggest external threat we’ve faced since the Warsaw Pact?
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Huh? Al Qaeda is bigger than the Eastern Bloc? Go back to hiding under your bed, Frank.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:56 pmMukasey is best suited for describing the current conditions inside Shrub’s but, what with his head so deeply embedded within…
December 11th, 2007 at 4:56 pm#59: Ugly things are already happening in law enforcement. Are you saying that because 20000 people are murdered every year, we should just drop the fight against the biggest external threat we’ve faced since the Warsaw Pact?
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Where do you live? I’m sick of people who live in backwater hick towns talking about ‘threats.” Why is it people who live in cities, cities that have been attacked, overwhelmingly reject this administration and its policies? Ever ask yourself that, scumbag?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:56 pmDo you think I should just stick to right wing sites and preach to the choir? No. I like to see what you guys think, no matter how strange and misguided your ideology is.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
As opposed to the rational and solid ideology that drives the country’s most stupid individuals to continue backing a life-long loser who hasn’t done even 1 thing correct after 7 years in office ……….When you Chimpy stooges post your typically laughable and stupid nonsense , are you actually under the ridiculous assumption that you have some sort of credibility that backs up your insane statements ?
Why ?????????
0-for-7-years makes any of your opinions viable in what way ?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:58 pmbiggest external threat we’ve faced since the Warsaw Pact?
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Are you stoned or are you always dumber than a bag of hair?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:59 pmIt’s in my profile. I’m a New Jerseyan.
Comment by Frank M
That explains it all.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:59 pm“Price-check for Depends adult undergarments, Isle #67…”
December 11th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#78: It’s in my profile. I’m a New Jerseyan.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Why are you so paranoid?
December 11th, 2007 at 5:00 pmshould just drop the fight against the biggest external threat we’ve faced since the Warsaw Pact?
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
I’m just trying to keep track of the “biggest external threat” of the day.
A couple of weeks ago it was Iran and their nuclear technology. Now its the terrorists. I remember not too long ago when it was North Korea.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:00 pmAnd the difference is?
Comment by Frank M
Must suck to be such a cowardly, chicken-hawk, sh*t-eater, eh troll!?
December 11th, 2007 at 5:04 pm#78: It’s in my profile. I’m a New Jerseyan.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Why do you think I can read your profile? As someone who lives and works in New York City, I find it surprising that someone from NJ (though there are some scary areas of that state and some barely walking upright residents that come from there as well) would post the idiocy that you do post.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:04 pm#78: It’s in my profile. I’m a New Jerseyan.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Why are you so paranoid?
Comment by Nat — December 11, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
All that toxic waste in Jersey has affected Frankie’s mind.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:04 pmAmericans don’t torture.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 11, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
“America doesn’t torture”
Comment by George W Bush - October 2007
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Do you get all of your quotes directly from the White House?
December 11th, 2007 at 5:05 pmMust suck to be such a cowardly, chicken-hawk, sh*t-eater, eh troll!?
Comment by DieNowForPeace — December 11, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
The Bush administration has done a fine job on him. They like people scared shitless because it’s easier to control them.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:07 pmWATERBOARD MUKASEY!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:10 pmWATERBOARD HIS FAMILY!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:10 pmSEE IF WATERBOARDING MUKASEY IF HE CONFESSES INVOLVEMENT ON 9/11. AND IF DOES SO, WOULD THAT CONFESSION BE CONSIDERED EVIDENCE!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:12 pmWATERBOARD FRANK M!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:15 pmFRANK, 9/11 WAS NOT PERPETRATED BY MUSLIMS. IT WAS MADE IN USA! 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhy is this still being bantered about when it’s against the law in this country and against the law internationally?? It’s a moot point and irrelevant whether Mukasey/stoolie thinks it is or isn’t at this point.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:19 pm#98 In a recent poll of americans, the number of citizens who believe that 911 was an inside job has reached critical mass at this point. With the recent outings of more Bush lies, one has only to do a gut check and see if the gut tells you that Bush is above this kind of behavior. The obvious answer is “absolutely not”.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:21 pm#91: You’d have to be a fool not to get scared when you finally take an objective look at the world, see the seething mass of 1 billion muslims and know that the overriding command of their satanic religion is to convert you or to kill you - even at the expense of their own lives.
Then why are you still posting here? Go hide under your bed before they get you.
You are hiding your head in the sand, hoping desperately that you’re right when you think that only a fraction of the muslims are like that and refuse to think evil of their religion (while at the same time you have no qualms to bash Christianity) because it’s not politically correct.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
You are paranoid.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:23 pm#91: You’d have to be a fool not to get scared when you finally take an objective look at the world, see the seething mass of 1 billion muslims and know that the overriding command of their satanic religion is to convert you or to kill you - even at the expense of their own lives.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
December 11th, 2007 at 5:23 pmThat is nothing but a bunch of bullshit ; is that what your equally crappy religion teaches you , jerkoff ?
To lie in a pathetic attempt to make your useless religion appear superior ?
What a loser you are…….
#78: It’s in my profile. I’m a New Jerseyan.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
December 11th, 2007 at 5:25 pmThat means you should be way more worried about me than some so-called terrorist , you big mary…….
Why, oh why do humans respond to Frank Moron the vile subhuman scum sucking neanderturd, this cretin is the lowest of the low, and frankly I find it very disturbing that traitors like this are not being rounded up and put in those detention centers…oh, wait that would be when a Dem is president, then Frank the Traitor will not be so happy with torture and those illegal wire taps.
Screw you Frank the Moron, you totally suck.
Bush/Cheney/Frank Moron
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 11th, 2007 at 5:28 pmFrank M,
Part of being American is being brave (as in land of the free, home of the..). Yes, there are lots and lots of Muslims and other brown people, but you know what. I’m not afraid. I bet if you tried, you might even find that some people of other religions can co-exist. Yes, some Muslims hate us, but that doesn’t make me afraid.
What does make me afraid is how easy we have been duped into having a discourse about what constitutes “torture”. We are Americans and I believe we are above this. I will not let fear make me to permit such morally indefensible actions. I would ask no fellow American to compromise themselves either. Torture reduces both the tortured and the torturer.
Thank about that.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:28 pmFRANK M, ANYONE THAT THINKS THAT TORTURE IS JUSTIFYABLE SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT TREATMENT. MUKASEY SHOULD BE WATERBOARDED TOGETHER WITH FAT CHNENNEY AND FAT ROVE!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:29 pmFrank - shouldn’t you be out trying to get a peek at Hotlips in the shower or something? Save your “mission-critical-intelligence” for Colonel Flagg’s next visit. He really wants to hear it.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:31 pm#91: You’d have to be a fool not to get scared when you finally take an objective look at the world, see the seething mass of 1 billion muslims and know that the overriding command of their satanic religion is to convert you or to kill you - even at the expense of their own lives.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Scared much? People like you I truly don’t understand. You allow those who do want to kill Americans (I’m not saying there aren’t people out there who do, I work a few blocks from the WTC site) to already win, they want you to live in fear and you dutifully do so. You allow your cowardice, and that is what it is, to cloud your judgement. It is you who sticks your head in the sand and thinks that big tough President Bush will make us safe, it’s not us whose head is in the sand.
One last thing, blanket attacks against 1 billion people, that’s the exact kind of thinking and behavior that Muslim extremists use to demonize the west. You are more like those you hate and fear than you are willing to admit. I’m off to take the subway home, I don’t allow terrorist to dictate how I live my life.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:31 pm“Later on, we’ll be smirking, waterboarding in a fascist wonderland…”
December 11th, 2007 at 5:34 pm“To waterboard or to not waterboard, that is the question…”
December 11th, 2007 at 5:35 pmOptimisticMF, I really like what you said to F.M… the only thing I’ll point out is that muslims do not hate the US. What is happening is the US is invading their land to steal oil. In this process they have killed entire populations of human beings! They lied to do so and the people of these countries know that. Hate for muslims comes into the equasion in order to dehumanize the “enemy”. If the people of US does not see humans on the other side, it is easy to continue with the policy. And yes, I’m absolutely sad to see the subject of torture being discussed as justifyable… Although, the CIA and the US have being use Torture foe decaces now. I tend to agree with Howard Zinn: War is Terror! and people that will change it!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYou’d have to be a fool not to get scared when you finally take an objective look at the world, see the seething mass of 1 billion muslims and know that the overriding command of their satanic religion is to convert you or to kill you - even at the expense of their own lives.
Comment by Frank M
Yeah, every single one of them has this goal.
Funny, wonder why we attacked Iraq, which was a SECULAR Arab country BTW.
IDIOT
December 11th, 2007 at 5:37 pmDon’t worry bartlee… we can spot them all the time!
December 11th, 2007 at 5:44 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — December 11, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Your quote, not mine.
I don’t quote Bush.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:04 pmThey know that sometimes ugly things have to happen for us to be safe.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Should Iranians torture Americans because they would feel safe?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:05 pmThank you Chuck and Diane for giving us another lying bush fellating hack as AG.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:11 pm“America doesn’t tortureâ€
Comment by George W Bush - October 2007
Comment by dim wit — December 11, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 11, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
December 11th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThey should overthrow their undemocratic government to feel safe and to be free.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Whew, fer a minute I thought Frankie was advocating the violent overturn of yet another foreign govt, but I read his comment twice and realized he had to have been talking about the US.
You were, weren’t you? Tap… tap… waaaiting…
December 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pm#119: They should overthrow their undemocratic government to feel safe and to be free.
Comment by Frank M — December 11, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Why? You’ve already gone on record as being thoroughly against democracy yourself. Why shouldn’t they embrace totalitarianism like you do?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:25 pmHotlips = Maj. Margaret “Hotlips” Hoolihan
Frank M = Frank M. Burns, as in M*A*S*H???
Are you actually an American, or just 13 years old?
December 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pmits a very simple Question and the answer is Yes
December 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmHotlips = Maj. Margaret “Hotlips†Hoolihan
Frank M = Frank M. Burns, as in M*A*S*H???
Are you actually an American, or just 13 years old?
Comment by tombaker — December 11, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
None of the above
But the number#13 is vitally descriptive of FrankMDingleBerry ; it’s his IQ.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:38 pmNo, he doesn’t quote Bush…….
:|
Except when he’s quoting Bush.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — December 11, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
ha ha
good one there. Clearly taken out of context, but as usual you ignore reality and substitute whatever you need to attempt to get your point across.
As an FYI, I am dim wit and dim wit alone. I don’t have either the time or inclination to blog under multiple names. Just because there are other people who find you equally as annoying as I do, doesn’t mean that they are I.
I’m leaving work. Please feel free to rant on about my boss or my mother or Mukasey….
December 11th, 2007 at 6:39 pmsee the seething mass of 1 billion muslims and …More BS here…
I only know a couple of muslims. They are my good friends, one is a database administrator I work with.
Do you actually know any muslims? Their children>?
I detest the seething mass of 1 reichwing idiot.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:40 pmOf course, Frank would never let the truth slow him down. iran is a democracy; their government was elected, unlike ours. I guess Frank’s idea of keeping us safe is 9/11, and frank’s idea of the huge Muslim menace is 19 highjackers. No reality for Frank.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThe fact that AMERICANS are even having this loathesome discussion is the surest sign of the rot afflicting this nation.
I am ashamed. Ashamed to my very soul that this is being done in my name.
December 11th, 2007 at 6:53 pmLittle Frankie M: “Don’t tell me you are one of those “9/11 truth†nutters…”
Frankie, I know that in all your Harry Potter stories, the characters call people “nutters,” but here in the real world, we really don’t use that word very often.
But really, little Frankie, do you know the whole truth about the 9-11 attack? Because if you do, you’re the first person I’ve heard of that does.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:03 pm#108: Hotlips?
Comment by Frank M
Since the M.A.S.H. reference flew right over his head, it’s obvious he wasn’t born before 1980.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:37 pmisn’t he just the very embodiment of Burns, though???
hoo-wee. Thanks Frank, for the boatload of delicious irony.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:04 pmBy the way, Dianne Feinstein is finished in California. She put the last nail in her coffin here with her Mukasey vote.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:17 pmLemme guess: His answer will be ready by January 20, 2009, right?
December 11th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWe tried and convicted US soldiers who did this in the Phillipines after the Spanish American War, tried and convicted Japanese of this who did it to our soldiers during WWII. The one GOP candidate who is running for president who has been tortured states it’s torture, the Geneva Convention, to which the US is a signator, defines it as torture. Exactly what is the question here?
Comment by Blue Stater — December 11, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Except that there are specific definitions as who gets protection as “Prisoner of War”, which these people do not qualify for. The Geneva Convention has specific exceptions for guerrillas and terrorists.
Not saying that “torture” is a good thing, but we are worrying about denying sugar for their tea, while they eagerly saw off the heads of their prisoners, recording on videos that are then distributed worldwide.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:43 pmrichg–I can just see you doing that little thing with the fingers in the air when you use the word torture. Does that gesture erase all the moral implications and values our nation has professed since its inception? Granted, we have been a work in progress. But is it over? Are the highest ideals, some of which were spelled out by our founders, no longer representational of the goals we as a people are aiming for? I think not. If you weren’t such a scared little man you would understand that you can’t stoop to the baseness of those you abhor and think you are somehow different from them and their actions you condemn. You have to make a choice. Which side are you on? And please, leave your “sugar for their tea” propaganda at the door.
December 11th, 2007 at 9:38 pmI am really getting sick of this. How about we waterboard Mulkasey and then ask him to decide if it is torture or not.
December 11th, 2007 at 10:28 pmJust 35 seconds and we got actionable information.
Think about that.
Comment by Frank M
Don’t need to think about it Francine. All we have is the word of the Bushies and we all know how reliable that word is. If they really did get actionable intelligence that thwarted attacks, don’t you think that they would be providing the proof? But, you don’t need proof. All you need is to drink the koolaid and kiss the butt of the nearest Republiscum.
December 11th, 2007 at 10:31 pmdon’t let them get to you BARTLEBEE! I’m with you when it comes to just discuss the enormous pleblems that aflict the US today. After all, what happens inside the US affects everybody around the globe. When a WAR CRIMINAL, A LIER, A DESERTER, A SCUM LIKE BUSH & Co. take over the US, everybody worry! I sincerely this maddness and lack of accountability does not prevail. For the sake of the entire planet.
December 11th, 2007 at 10:35 pmIMPEACHMENT, INVESTIGATION OF GEORGE WC BUSH AND FAT CHENNEY! HAGE 09!
“Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the boisterous sea of liberty” - Thomas Jefferson
December 12th, 2007 at 12:09 am150: If you weren’t such a scared little man you would understand that you can’t stoop to the baseness of those you abhor and think you are somehow different from them and their actions you condemn.
Comment by rattypilgrim — December 11, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
What you missed is the comparison - even waterboarding, which is extremely frightening, is nowhere even close to the “baseness of those you abhor”. Those people are barbaric by comparison to what we do, even at our worst. Compared to their daily practices, even our waterboarding pales to a relatively mild discomfort. By comparison.
And you don’t know me well enough to call me a “scared little man” unless you are simply profiling based on bigoted assumptions about me.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pm