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	<title>Comments on: Rockefeller on tapes hearing: &#8216;Useful&#8217; but not complete.</title>
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		<title>By: Menehune</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187446</link>
		<dc:creator>Menehune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday CNN had this article in huge letters:
&lt;em&gt;Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding &#039;saved lives&#039;&lt;/em&gt;

Today, they have the same article, with this headline in tiny type:
&lt;strong&gt;Ex-agent: Waterboarding not needed&lt;/strong&gt;

There&#039;s that liberal media again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday CNN had this article in huge letters:<br />
<em>Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding &#8217;saved lives&#8217;</em></p>
<p>Today, they have the same article, with this headline in tiny type:<br />
<strong>Ex-agent: Waterboarding not needed</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s that liberal media again.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187446', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187424</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . . open to any kind of interpretation and therefore implementation . . . .without recourse.

Every piece of legislation that has been passed in the past seven years has either been severely vague . . . or subjected to signing statements . . .  only when a clear violation of precedent and policy has arisen has any legislation or policy been tested . . . and in those cases (torture, distruction of evidence, financial malefeasence, electronic surveillence) have those precedents and laws been scrutinized . . . and the result has been . . . executive allegations of overly vague law, insufficient evidence under the law, executive privilege, state secret,  state immunity,  &quot;The Office of the VP is a super-governmental office that falls under neither the executive or legislative branch of government&quot; or any other such nonsense.  This is crap.  

We can&#039;t elect Clinton.  She has mastered political non-speak.  

To hear this administration speak, the Office of the VP is the most powerful in government . . . it&#039;s Putinesque. . . Cheney should appoint the next Premier.  . . . a hair ball please . . . I feel the need to hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . . open to any kind of interpretation and therefore implementation . . . .without recourse.</p>
<p>Every piece of legislation that has been passed in the past seven years has either been severely vague . . . or subjected to signing statements . . .  only when a clear violation of precedent and policy has arisen has any legislation or policy been tested . . . and in those cases (torture, distruction of evidence, financial malefeasence, electronic surveillence) have those precedents and laws been scrutinized . . . and the result has been . . . executive allegations of overly vague law, insufficient evidence under the law, executive privilege, state secret,  state immunity,  &#8220;The Office of the VP is a super-governmental office that falls under neither the executive or legislative branch of government&#8221; or any other such nonsense.  This is crap.  </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t elect Clinton.  She has mastered political non-speak.  </p>
<p>To hear this administration speak, the Office of the VP is the most powerful in government . . . it&#8217;s Putinesque. . . Cheney should appoint the next Premier.  . . . a hair ball please . . . I feel the need to hack.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187424', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187416</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps, just read:  It&#039;s deliberately, overly vague legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps, just read:  It&#8217;s deliberately, overly vague legislation.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187416', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187415</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harmon, Jane, is a California Democrat.

Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) recently sponsored H.R. 1955, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, which reads in part:

â€œ(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolfâ€™ violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.â€

In it&#039;s reading it&#039;s convoluted . . . what does it mean? . . . in its impementation . . . it&#039;s sufficiently vague that it could snare the entire American public and all foreigners in its net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harmon, Jane, is a California Democrat.</p>
<p>Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) recently sponsored H.R. 1955, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, which reads in part:</p>
<p>â€œ(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolfâ€™ violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.â€</p>
<p>In it&#8217;s reading it&#8217;s convoluted . . . what does it mean? . . . in its impementation . . . it&#8217;s sufficiently vague that it could snare the entire American public and all foreigners in its net.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187415', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187414</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Roc[k]efeller, Feinstein, Harman, Pelosi. some of the worst Democrats of ALL TIME!!! Now we see why the administration gets away with whatever they want . . . &quot;

I feel your pain . . . 

What is it that the republicans have on democratic congress people that results in the abandonment of democratic principles by the officials that we elected based upon their campaign promises to the effect that they have backbones and will defend and protect our democratic values?

#1 PELOSI &amp; ROCKEFELLER:

Pelosi denounces impeachment . . . Rockefeller sees no harm in waterboarding or destroying evidence that Democrats demand . . . 

[S]he voted to confirm Michael Mukasey, President Bushâ€™s nominee to be attorney general, despite Mr. Mukaseyâ€™s refusal to declare waterboarding â€” making someone believe they are in imminent danger of drowning â€” to be torture. Ms. Feinstein was the only Democrat on the Judiciary Committee other than Charles Schumer of New York, who first suggested Mr. Mukasey for the job, to support him.
Ms. Feinsteinâ€™s critics note that unlike Democratic Senators from red states, she is not under political pressure to support the Bush Administration. It seems clear that she cast these votes simply because she wanted to.

#3.  HARMON:
State control of the internet and restricting the First Amendment are favorite pastimes of radical, pro-Iraq war lawmakers like Rep. Jane Harman.However, if . . . . . she had, Harman wouldâ€™ve discovered the U.S. already has extensive laws on the books that address criminal conspiracy and since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the Justice Department has been applying broadly (many civil liberty advocates say far too broadly), in President Bushâ€™s so-called war on terror.

The definitions in H.R.1955 swerve dangerously into thought crime territory.

. . . .Under H.R. 1955, if you engage in certain, very standard american activities, &quot;youâ€™re automatically a homegrown terrorist  . . .Under H.R. 1955, you become an enemy of the state. Or maybe you fly a â€œBring the Troops Homeâ€ flag in your frontyard? Or you have an â€œImpeach Bushâ€ button on your backpack? Under H.R. 1955, youâ€™re a homegrown terrorist.&quot;

[Who has a problem?] Lawmakers like Rep. Jane Harman.

This is a bit disjointed, but it&#039;s simply intended to offer examples of Democrats who might possibly be impeding the agenda that most Democrats and many Independents advocate. . . an end to Iraq, impeachment, prosecutions of Bush Administration wrongdoers, an end to the power of lobbyists and duplicity . . .  Good Lord . . . we must clean house, these folks are impeding/blocking progress . . . whether they are opportunists or bought politicians . . . they have got to go. . .  if for no other reason but that we need to scare the crap out of our elected officials . . . we expect results  . . . if we don&#039;t see results . . . you WILL BE FIRED.  If we can&#039;t promise that, we can expect nothing more than more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Roc[k]efeller, Feinstein, Harman, Pelosi. some of the worst Democrats of ALL TIME!!! Now we see why the administration gets away with whatever they want . . . &#8221;</p>
<p>I feel your pain . . . </p>
<p>What is it that the republicans have on democratic congress people that results in the abandonment of democratic principles by the officials that we elected based upon their campaign promises to the effect that they have backbones and will defend and protect our democratic values?</p>
<p>#1 PELOSI &amp; ROCKEFELLER:</p>
<p>Pelosi denounces impeachment . . . Rockefeller sees no harm in waterboarding or destroying evidence that Democrats demand . . . </p>
<p>[S]he voted to confirm Michael Mukasey, President Bushâ€™s nominee to be attorney general, despite Mr. Mukaseyâ€™s refusal to declare waterboarding â€” making someone believe they are in imminent danger of drowning â€” to be torture. Ms. Feinstein was the only Democrat on the Judiciary Committee other than Charles Schumer of New York, who first suggested Mr. Mukasey for the job, to support him.<br />
Ms. Feinsteinâ€™s critics note that unlike Democratic Senators from red states, she is not under political pressure to support the Bush Administration. It seems clear that she cast these votes simply because she wanted to.</p>
<p>#3.  HARMON:<br />
State control of the internet and restricting the First Amendment are favorite pastimes of radical, pro-Iraq war lawmakers like Rep. Jane Harman.However, if . . . . . she had, Harman wouldâ€™ve discovered the U.S. already has extensive laws on the books that address criminal conspiracy and since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the Justice Department has been applying broadly (many civil liberty advocates say far too broadly), in President Bushâ€™s so-called war on terror.</p>
<p>The definitions in H.R.1955 swerve dangerously into thought crime territory.</p>
<p>. . . .Under H.R. 1955, if you engage in certain, very standard american activities, &#8220;youâ€™re automatically a homegrown terrorist  . . .Under H.R. 1955, you become an enemy of the state. Or maybe you fly a â€œBring the Troops Homeâ€ flag in your frontyard? Or you have an â€œImpeach Bushâ€ button on your backpack? Under H.R. 1955, youâ€™re a homegrown terrorist.&#8221;</p>
<p>[Who has a problem?] Lawmakers like Rep. Jane Harman.</p>
<p>This is a bit disjointed, but it&#8217;s simply intended to offer examples of Democrats who might possibly be impeding the agenda that most Democrats and many Independents advocate. . . an end to Iraq, impeachment, prosecutions of Bush Administration wrongdoers, an end to the power of lobbyists and duplicity . . .  Good Lord . . . we must clean house, these folks are impeding/blocking progress . . . whether they are opportunists or bought politicians . . . they have got to go. . .  if for no other reason but that we need to scare the crap out of our elected officials . . . we expect results  . . . if we don&#8217;t see results . . . you WILL BE FIRED.  If we can&#8217;t promise that, we can expect nothing more than more of the same.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187414', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187386</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At today&#039;s ass-covering-and-excuse-making conference, Dana Purina was wearing enough tourquoise to outfit an entire gay pride parade contingent. Where do these Righty gals get their fashion sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At today&#8217;s ass-covering-and-excuse-making conference, Dana Purina was wearing enough tourquoise to outfit an entire gay pride parade contingent. Where do these Righty gals get their fashion sense?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187386', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tired Of Fighting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tired Of Fighting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocefeller, Feinstein, Harman, Pelosi.  some of the worst Democrats of ALL TIME!!! Now we see why the administration gets away with whatever they want, The Compliciter&#039;s are on his team, thats why theres all of the shock and augh coming from the Dem&#039;s, they&#039;re in on the joke and the punchline is us, all of us.


Traitors, all of them.



RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocefeller, Feinstein, Harman, Pelosi.  some of the worst Democrats of ALL TIME!!! Now we see why the administration gets away with whatever they want, The Compliciter&#8217;s are on his team, thats why theres all of the shock and augh coming from the Dem&#8217;s, they&#8217;re in on the joke and the punchline is us, all of us.</p>
<p>Traitors, all of them.</p>
<p>RIP<br />
SGT Stephen R. Sherman<br />
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)<br />
KIA 3 Feb 2005<br />
Mosul, Iraq<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187372', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: FearandSmear</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187366</link>
		<dc:creator>FearandSmear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ slices through legal precedent, historical accord, and common sense like a Ginsu knife infomercial.

The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ remains piously oblivious to that which is repeatedly placed directly in front of them without so much as blinking. 

The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ is resolute in their commitment to fealty above principle, while using principle to justify fealty - a feat that should never be attempted by the sane.

Hmmm. This is sorta fun... Maybe I&#039;ll start using it as Troll Spray...

TROLL: &quot;Immigration.... Liberal... Whackjobs... Media.... Political Witchhunt... Bible.... Gore... Hillary... Terrorists.... Safe....&quot;

The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ prefers torture-induced confessions with a side of retribution instead of actionable, admissible evidence con carne.

www.FEARandSMEAR.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ slices through legal precedent, historical accord, and common sense like a Ginsu knife infomercial.</p>
<p>The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ remains piously oblivious to that which is repeatedly placed directly in front of them without so much as blinking. </p>
<p>The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ is resolute in their commitment to fealty above principle, while using principle to justify fealty &#8211; a feat that should never be attempted by the sane.</p>
<p>Hmmm. This is sorta fun&#8230; Maybe I&#8217;ll start using it as Troll Spray&#8230;</p>
<p>TROLL: &#8220;Immigration&#8230;. Liberal&#8230; Whackjobs&#8230; Media&#8230;. Political Witchhunt&#8230; Bible&#8230;. Gore&#8230; Hillary&#8230; Terrorists&#8230;. Safe&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Modern Bush Republicanâ„¢ prefers torture-induced confessions with a side of retribution instead of actionable, admissible evidence con carne.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.FEARandSMEAR.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.FEARandSMEAR.com</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187366', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>29. I see that liberal nut jobs treat the Geneva Conventions like they treat the Constitution. Every time a liberal finds a law he doesnâ€™t like, he simply changes the meaning of it. The Geneva Conventions were never meant to protect the people at Gitmo.

Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 7:28 pm

Wow. the irony content of this post is astronomical.

Pay attention, class, this is top-flight trolldom: mandolin accuses liberals of changing the meanings of laws they donâ€™t like, and then in the very next sentence, changes the meaning of a law it doesnâ€™t like.

This is not for the unskilled troll to attempt. This is some industrial-strength projection that really needs to be supervised.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
 Add Karma Recommend (1) &#124;  


Very funny indeed. I am sad that I do not have the patience or the interest to try to &quot;educate&quot; these trolls...  I really do wonder how they ever got through high school (maybe) or college (gasp). But if Ms. Dana Perino (Bush mouthpiece, latest V.) can get through HS and college without studying the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, then many mind-boggling things are possible. 

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29. I see that liberal nut jobs treat the Geneva Conventions like they treat the Constitution. Every time a liberal finds a law he doesnâ€™t like, he simply changes the meaning of it. The Geneva Conventions were never meant to protect the people at Gitmo.</p>
<p>Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 7:28 pm</p>
<p>Wow. the irony content of this post is astronomical.</p>
<p>Pay attention, class, this is top-flight trolldom: mandolin accuses liberals of changing the meanings of laws they donâ€™t like, and then in the very next sentence, changes the meaning of a law it doesnâ€™t like.</p>
<p>This is not for the unskilled troll to attempt. This is some industrial-strength projection that really needs to be supervised.</p>
<p>Comment by ralph the wonder llama â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:02 pm<br />
 Add Karma Recommend (1) |  </p>
<p>Very funny indeed. I am sad that I do not have the patience or the interest to try to &#8220;educate&#8221; these trolls&#8230;  I really do wonder how they ever got through high school (maybe) or college (gasp). But if Ms. Dana Perino (Bush mouthpiece, latest V.) can get through HS and college without studying the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, then many mind-boggling things are possible. </p>
<p>Cheers.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187327', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: green917</title>
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		<dc:creator>green917</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they supposed to tell the Senate every time they shred a piece of paper?

Comment by mandolin

No but they should have given these tapes to the Moussaui trial judge who, just days before these tapes were destroyed, petitioned to see any video tapes that the CIA had regarding al Qaeda interrogations. IANAL but I&#039;m smart enough to realize that that qualifies as Obstruction of Justice which is, in fact, a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they supposed to tell the Senate every time they shred a piece of paper?</p>
<p>Comment by mandolin</p>
<p>No but they should have given these tapes to the Moussaui trial judge who, just days before these tapes were destroyed, petitioned to see any video tapes that the CIA had regarding al Qaeda interrogations. IANAL but I&#8217;m smart enough to realize that that qualifies as Obstruction of Justice which is, in fact, a crime.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187321', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Technodaoist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technodaoist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tapes weren&#039;t destroyed....

They are now a part of the Vice President&#039;s snuff-film library.

And just what was he doing at the time he had that &#039;irregular heartbeat&#039;?








Crude?  Disgusting?  Offensive?  Yup - so&#039;s waterboarding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tapes weren&#8217;t destroyed&#8230;.</p>
<p>They are now a part of the Vice President&#8217;s snuff-film library.</p>
<p>And just what was he doing at the time he had that &#8216;irregular heartbeat&#8217;?</p>
<p>Crude?  Disgusting?  Offensive?  Yup &#8211; so&#8217;s waterboarding.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187319', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that liberal nut jobs treat the Geneva Conventions like they treat the Constitution. Every time a liberal finds a law he doesnâ€™t like, he simply changes the meaning of it. The Geneva Conventions were never meant to protect the people at Gitmo.

Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 7:28 pm

Try  taking  your  head  out  of  your  a$$  sometime  and  actually  reading  the  Constitution,  you  ignorant  twit.
After  you  clean  the  sh!t  from  you  eyes first,  of  course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that liberal nut jobs treat the Geneva Conventions like they treat the Constitution. Every time a liberal finds a law he doesnâ€™t like, he simply changes the meaning of it. The Geneva Conventions were never meant to protect the people at Gitmo.</p>
<p>Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 7:28 pm</p>
<p>Try  taking  your  head  out  of  your  a$$  sometime  and  actually  reading  the  Constitution,  you  ignorant  twit.<br />
After  you  clean  the  sh!t  from  you  eyes first,  of  course<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187318', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: leftcoast</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftcoast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Sorry, for a minute there, mandy, I thought you were talking about George W. Bush and his signing statements. Please, continue talking out of your assâ€¦

Comment by jurassicpork â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:21 pm&lt;/em&gt;
Well said. 
Bush just signed his first since 2006 since Dems took over Congress, but reserving the right to bypass 11 provisions in a military appropriations bill under his executive powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sorry, for a minute there, mandy, I thought you were talking about George W. Bush and his signing statements. Please, continue talking out of your assâ€¦</p>
<p>Comment by jurassicpork â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:21 pm</em><br />
Well said.<br />
Bush just signed his first since 2006 since Dems took over Congress, but reserving the right to bypass 11 provisions in a military appropriations bill under his executive powers.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187307', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jurassicpork</title>
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		<dc:creator>jurassicpork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Every time a liberal finds a law he doesnâ€™t like, he simply changes the meaning of it.&lt;/i&gt; mandolin

Sorry, for a minute there, mandy, I thought you were talking about George W. Bush and his signing statements. Please, continue talking out of your ass...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Every time a liberal finds a law he doesnâ€™t like, he simply changes the meaning of it.</i> mandolin</p>
<p>Sorry, for a minute there, mandy, I thought you were talking about George W. Bush and his signing statements. Please, continue talking out of your ass&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187293', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Snowball</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187284</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.&quot; - Benito Mussolini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.&#8221; &#8211; Benito Mussolini.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187284', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gummitch</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187282</link>
		<dc:creator>gummitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So what do you call it when corporate interests and the economic elite seize control of government?

Comment by Snowball â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:11 pm&lt;/em&gt;

He calls it paradise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So what do you call it when corporate interests and the economic elite seize control of government?</p>
<p>Comment by Snowball â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:11 pm</em></p>
<p>He calls it paradise.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187282', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Snowball</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/rockefeller-on-tapes-hearing-useful-but-not-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-4187279</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œYou see, itâ€™s when corporate interests and the economic elite seize the reigns of control over governmentâ€

Thatâ€™s Backwards

Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:00 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So what do &lt;strong&gt;you&lt;/strong&gt; call it when corporate interests and the economic elite seize control of government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œYou see, itâ€™s when corporate interests and the economic elite seize the reigns of control over governmentâ€</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s Backwards</p>
<p>Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:00 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>So what do <strong>you</strong> call it when corporate interests and the economic elite seize control of government?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187279', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gummitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>gummitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;This is not for the unskilled troll to attempt. This is some industrial-strength projection that really needs to be supervised.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:02 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Are you being cleaver again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is not for the unskilled troll to attempt. This is some industrial-strength projection that really needs to be supervised.</p>
<p>Comment by ralph the wonder llama â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:02 pm</em></p>
<p>Are you being cleaver again?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187278', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gummitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>gummitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;â€œYou see, itâ€™s when corporate interests and the economic elite seize the reigns of control over governmentâ€

Thatâ€™s Backwards

Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:00 pm&lt;/em&gt;

No, you&#039;re just badly informed or willfully ignorant.

Try reading a little bit about the Nazis and German corporations, or even about Nazis and certain American corporations that couldn&#039;t wait to get on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>â€œYou see, itâ€™s when corporate interests and the economic elite seize the reigns of control over governmentâ€</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s Backwards</p>
<p>Comment by mandolin â€” December 11, 2007 @ 8:00 pm</em></p>
<p>No, you&#8217;re just badly informed or willfully ignorant.</p>
<p>Try reading a little bit about the Nazis and German corporations, or even about Nazis and certain American corporations that couldn&#8217;t wait to get on board.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187277', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Snowball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Orwell predicted mandolin&#039;s dictionary in &quot;1984.&quot;

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Orwell predicted mandolin&#8217;s dictionary in &#8220;1984.&#8221;</p>
<p>War is peace<br />
Freedom is slavery<br />
Ignorance is strength<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4187276', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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