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Comment by CaptainMantastic

Ah, we finally get down to the meat of the matter. The paid trolls are sent here to try to win the hearts and minds of the Progressives. Maybe if Bush wasn’t such a foolish puppet for his neocon, chickenhawk advisers like that dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the like he might have been able to understand the opinions of decades of CIA research that clearly shows that you can’t trust intel gained from torturing people. Seems like at the time, he was convinced by his fascist power hungry circle along with the assurances of his legal team who would tell him anything to justify this Administrations agenda. They are all actually convinced that the President can break any laws he wants with no consequences. Unfortunately even the president is bound by the laws of America, where ALL men are equal in the eyes of the law. THIS was the intentions of our forefathers. Now that the sh*t is hitting the fan and all the kings men are running for cover they cling to the remote hope that Americans will forgive this puppet because. as wev’e all heard the mantra over and over, “9/11 changed everything.”
This simply doesn’t wash with most Americans be they Dem, Rep or Ind. Waterboarding IS torture. Has been considered such in this country and the International community for hundreds of years. The army field manual specifies it as torture so I can’t see how they can justify reclassifying it just because their lawyers said so. Torture IS against American laws. If the evidence trail points at the WH so be it. I grant this boy king no leniency in doing things he knows are illegal and untrustworthy. Poor neo fascists, your time is almost up. Sorry captain, I’m not buying your sh*t and neither are any other readers here with a sense of morals and an ounce of TRUE patriotism towards this Country that we love and so dearly want back from the neocons, zionists, big business and the defense contractors.

I am just going to have to agree with Lefty Patriot. Sure, it is effective…if what you are looking for is getting someone to confess…whether they did or not. A lot of people will say anything to NOT DIE. Just look at history. Let’s do an experiment. Come on over, Captain…I will waterboard you and see if I can get you to admit you killed Abe Lincoln. I bet I can.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 12, 2007 @ 4:51 pm

Bullshit, plain and simple. Just bullshit. You have no morals.

I saw the pictures of Abu Ghraib. I am thinking that hillbilly skank was enjoying herself quite a bit.

What? Torture doesn’t kill you unless you are tortured to death. I really don’t get what you are asking.

I gave you a straightforward hypothetical which you promptly obfuscated. So, let’s try again:

Someone you love has been captured by an enemy and that enemy is waterboarding your loved one or torturing them in some other way. Would you think that was OK? Would you be angry?

Absolutely. They are all under strict orders not to divulge anything they hear in these sessions. They are not allowed to take notes and they are not allowed to record what they hear. You don’t think if a former US Congressperson blew the whistle on what they learned in one of these secret sessions, that the Bush Administration wouldn’t bring them up on charges? You know darn good and well they would.

As I said before, it’s fine for the Bush Administration to leak secrets when it serves their purpose, but if anyone else were to do it, they would be prosecuted. They are currently trying to find out who has leaked several other crimes that Bush has committed and I’m sure when they figure out who that person is, they will be put on trial.

That wasn’t the question and you know it asshat. Is it impossible for you to answer a direct question? I think it is. As usual, you did your non-answer to a direct question. But, you did say that you were OK with your cousin being tortured which says volumes about your humanity.

If this is true, then I will be upset with her as will most people on this board. Most people are already upset with her for taking Impeachment off the table.

The problem is, if she knew, there was nothing she could legally do about it. She could have quit as a Congressperson and then blown the whistle on the administration, at which time she would have been arrested and tried for treason.

You see it’s OK for the Bush Administration to leak national secrets, but it’s not OK for congress people do do it.

Wow, you would be ok with your cousin being waterboarded. I feel sorry for your loved ones knowing how little you respect them.

and, Y, I am upset with Nancy. I also never really liked Bill Clinton, but none of that changes where my political compass points.

easier said than done, i’m afraid, Capt.

the point of my analogy was to try to get you to appreciate that, if one of your neighbors were to do your family harm, you could not know in advance which of them it would be – therefore, you could not find the right one to waterboard or kill – all you could do would be to “monday-morning-quaterback” the situation, and conclude you should’ve done something about the neighbor who did the harm.

same thing applies to what we’re doing to people overseas.

I got it. If my cousin had information of a tactical event being planned to kill 3000 innocent Iraqis, and they were waterboarding him in an earnest attempt to stop that from happening; I would understand.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 12, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

Then CaptainAnntastic wouldn’t have cared if Bush was tortured back in 2003?

But this hasn’t stopped you from using the deaths as a reason for withdrawing the troops.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — December 12, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

Is this d!ck weed addressing me?

Listen fu*kwad. I want the troops out of Iraq because we invaded the country illegally. Your cult leader will stand trial for what he has done.

Come to my neighborhood and say you support Bush and you will get a big wake up call, from my Republican neighbors. Real Republicans no longer support Bush or his illegal war. The only ones that still do are NeoCon traitors such as yourself who “can’t figure out if waterboarding is torture. You know damn well it is, you little b!tch.

You are a Nazi supporter and a traitor to this country. I hope you get run over by a truck and taste your own blood before you die.

Comment by tombaker — December 12, 2007 @ 6:28 pm

I don’t know. I don’t tend to read it. I just found their silly hypothetical morality scenarios piece to be totally lame. You point at 79 was my reference

The fact that the Justice Department has no interest in exploring leaks of classified material in this interview (openly disclosing waterboarding is a leak of classified material) is telling, meaning that somebody in the Whitehouse declassified that data on the spot rather than going through the standard declassification procedures.

Was it that important for the Bush administration to get somebody willing to speak as claim that waterboarding saved lives? If that was the case I think he was less than conclusive on that front. Who, then, is responsible for this little episode?