Rep. King Decries ‘Assault On Christmas,’ Calls On Americans To ‘Stand Up’ And ‘Worship Christ’
Rep. King Decries ‘Assault On Christmas,’ Calls On Americans To ‘Stand Up’ And ‘Worship Christ’
Rep. Steve King recently (R-IA) introduced legislation recognizing the “importance of Christmas and the Christian faith,” despite previously opposing resolutions recognizing the Muslim celebration of Ramadan and the Hindu Diwali.
A spokesman for King told ThinkProgress that the congressman simply “thought it was important to honor Christmas” by introducing the bill. Yet today on Fox News, King went further, decrying an “assault on Christmas” from “secularists” who want to “eradicate Christ from Christmas.” Ignoring the Constitution, King claimed America is really a “Christian nation”:
I recognized that we’re a Christian nation founded on Christian principles, and we’re coming up to Christmastime. … It’s time we stood up and said so, and said to the rest of America, Be who you are and be confident. And let’s worship Christ and let’s celebrate Christmas for the right reasons.
Watch it:
In his tirade, King attacked the nine “liberal Democrat” “naysayers” who voted against the bill. “I would like to know how they can vote yes on Ramadan, yes on the Indian religions, and no on Christianity, when the foundation of this nation and our American culture is Christian,” he said.
In response, Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) ripped King’s religious zealotry as “another sad attempt by conservative Republicans to skew the line between church and state”:
“America is not a Christian nation,” Hastings said. “It is a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and everyone in between. Our diversity is our strength and those who seek to use religion as a litmus test are doing a disservice to all of us.”
As for the “assault on Christianity,” Hastings said, “all someone has to do is visit a shopping mall, turn on the radio or TV or look at the Christmas trees sitting on the front lawns of the White House and the United States Capitol to realize that no such assault is underway.”
King isn’t alone. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee both have declared that America is a Christian nation.
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Assault on Christmas???
We should all be so lucky.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:50 pmhttp://www.tshirtinsurgency.com
Jebus. What a friggin’ moron.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:50 pmJesus wept.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThe R’s have really hit rock bottom when they start lifting talking points from billofalalfelboy.
That’s all ya got, King? Really?
December 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“secularists†who want to “eradicate Christ from Christmas”
Considering the sick retail orgy that Christmas has become, I would think Christ would remove himself from Christmas.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmUmm… I know this has been covered ad nauseum, and trolls will soon descend to try to rewrite history yet again, but this was NOT a nation founded on “Christian principles”. It was founded on ENLIGHTENMENT principles. The majority of its citizens happened (and still happen) to be Christian, but there were no “Christian principles” enshrined in the Constitution. Instead they were principles that can be traced to Locke and Rousseau, among others, principles like equal treatment under the law, freedom of speech and FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmApparently, a fair portion of Righties minored in Revisionist History. Wasn’t even offered when I went to school - not that I’d have taken it.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:54 pmRalph, you know that, and I know that - it appears that the friggin’ God-smacked idiots in the Republican party are the ones who need to have it tattooed backwards onto their sloping foreheads so they won’t forget it when they look in the mirror.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:54 pmRather than wasting airtime declaring themselves morons, why not just wear a T-shirt with bush’s picture on it that says, “I’m with Stupid?”
Or maybe, “I’m a republican.” Same diff.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pmComment by gah — December 12, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
so true.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pmGet out there and shop for Jesus!
December 12th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI had to fwd this one to a friend in Iowa. Such a hoot.
December 12th, 2007 at 2:57 pmWTF? When was Congress granted the authority to endorse religion?
December 12th, 2007 at 2:58 pmThe Treaty of Tripoli explicitly refutes that old canard.
Read the first sentence in article 11:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html
December 12th, 2007 at 2:59 pmLet’s all send him one of these:
Jesus Action Figure
Everyone has a different take on Jesus. Muslims saw him as a prophet; Buddhists say he was enlightened; Hindus consider him an avatar (the incarnation of a deity in human form) while Christians hail him as the Son of God. But, wherever your theological compass points, you will agree that this is the coolest action figure since G.I. Joe. Each hard plastic Jesus Action Figure stands 5″ tall with poseable arms to reach toward the heavens and wheels in his base for smooth gliding action. Comes in our illustrated package with biblical quotes on the back.
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item 10746
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December 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pmwhen the foundation of this nation and our American culture is Christian,†he said.
That statement alone is so completely wrong. Thank the spagetti monster he doesn’t represent me.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:01 pmI’m still stuck on the point that Jesus was a Jew when the USA didn’t even exist.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:01 pmLook, all you dopey Christians out there, if you think your religion is the absolutest best religion, like, EVAH, then you don’t need lawmakers passing a resolution telling everyone else that your religion is the absolutest best religion ever. Christ preached his sermons, he didn’t shove them down anybody’s throat, and by bringing your whin, petty demands to the Congressional level, what you’re saying is Jesus, and by extension, His Dad’s, message is not strong enough to stand on its own. You’re saying Christianity is weak, your message is weak, your FAITH is weak, otherwise you wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about what anyone else thinks of it.
Whiners.
Weaklings.
Cowards.
Pu$$ies.
Republicans.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:01 pmthis is what we pay these fu*k-sticks for?
December 12th, 2007 at 3:02 pmDear God,
If you exist, please come and pick up all the trash you left behind. The sooner the better. The stench coming from it is overwhelming.
Thanks in advance,
December 12th, 2007 at 3:02 pmThe Loyal Opposition
Oh, yeah, and that Christmas is actually a pagan celebration and Jesus’ birthday is not 12/25.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:03 pmLet’s all send him one of these:
Jesus Action Figure
Everyone has a different take on Jesus. Muslims saw him as a prophet; Buddhists say he was enlightened; Hindus consider him an avatar (the incarnation of a deity in human form) while Christians hail him as the Son of God. But, wherever your theological compass points, you will agree that this is the coolest action figure since G.I. Joe. Each hard plastic Jesus Action Figure stands 5″ tall with poseable arms to reach toward the heavens and wheels in his base for smooth gliding action. Comes in our illustrated package with biblical quotes on the back.
Jesus Action Figure
item 10746
$8.95 ea.
http://www.mcphee.com/items/10746.html
Comment by Leftside Annie — December 12, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
I was hoping he was gonna be “RAMBO’d” out…. camo head band, ak on his back, grenades on his belt….
December 12th, 2007 at 3:03 pmToday’s GOP is an assembly of seriously warped and deluded Christo fascists that need to read and abide by Article 4 section 3 of America’s Consitution.
If not then they should be booted and banned from serving as public officials.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:04 pmGod is as useful to politicians as lobbyists and corporate perks, just another party unifier.
Religion is not used to sanctify politics as much as to get everyone on the same page.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThe Treaty of Tripoli explicitly refutes that old canard.
Read the first sentence in article 11:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html
Comment by lebowski — December 12, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Other evidence of the influence of Christianity in Early America
From
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2942
America, Christianity, and the Culture War (Part I)
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Original State Constitutions
If the Framers wanted more direct references to Christianity to be left up to the several states, we ought to expect to see the framers of the state constitutions reflecting that intention. And, indeed, they did. Once the Founders declared independence from England, each state commenced to hammer out their respective state constitutions, with the exception of Connecticut which chose to continue to operate under its founding charter until eventually formulating its own state constitution in 1818 (Horton, 1988). If one will take the time to examine the original state constitutions, one will be absolutely overwhelmed by the fact that those framers (many of whom were also involved in working on the federal Constitution), were intimately attached to the God of the Bible and deliberately reflected that attachment in their political pronouncements. The state constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, much of which is believed to be the product of John Adams, provides just one sample. In “Part the First,†the constitution reads:
In “Part the Second,†the constitution enumerated the civil officers of the state:
Further, the “Oath of Office†that was to be taken by anyone who wished to serve as “governor, lieutenant governor, councillor, senator or representative†began with the declaration: “I, A.B., do declare, that I believe the Christian religion, and have a firm persuasion of its truth.â€
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Excerpts from several state constitution preambles are included in this article and they are quite interesting.
The John Adams referred to is the same John Adams who was the president who signed the Treaty of Tripoli mentioned above. This is the treaty which specifically declared – to Muslim authorities – that the U.S. was not a Christian nation.
From the quotes above it seems obvious that the U.S. was a nation for a Christian people. When I use this phrase, “…a nation for a Christian people,†I don’t mean that all others have to leave, or even that the Christians want to be in charge. I mean that it seems apparent to me that the reason it – the U.S. – has worked as well as it has is because the preponderant influence of Christianity.
Believe “that old canard” will need some additional refuting.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmAnd when did Jesus visit here? Oh, wait he hasn’t and won’t ever visit here, as if he would want to. So these morons want a “All Christian Nation” uh, well how about all the Christofascists that think that way move to the South where they a inbreeding in great numbers, then you can just have the South and make your own ignorant, superstitious, moronic, archaic, warped interpretation of it.
Leave the rest of us alone, and by the way God is a made up fantasy, made up thousands of years ago by people too primitive to know any better.
Bush/Cheney/King
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmWhattafreakin’ moron.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI DO worship Christ.
I also respect the rights of ALL of my fellow man to worship God (or be atheist) in any form they choose. It is what Jesus told us to do.
And I can see that people like Bush and Huckabee and Romneyand King do NOT follow the words of Jesus Christ.
“Actions speak LOUDER than words”
–Sister Mary Agnes, Regina Coeli School, Hyde Park, NY circa 1965
Sincerely
December 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAs for the “assault on Christianity,†Hastings said, “all someone has to do is visit a shopping mall, turn on the radio or TV or look at the Christmas trees sitting on the front lawns of the White House and the United States Capitol to realize that no such assault is underway.â€
Now, that’s about the most intelligent statement I have ever heard anyone say about this “so-called” war on Christmas. Do you really think that Christ would want us to go into debt each Christmas to buy our kids all the latest and greatest toys? Do you really think Christ would want us to show our devotion to him by garish and expensive decorations? If you really want to put “Christ” back in Christmas, you will go to church on Christmas day and not fall for the commercialization that has made Christmas a mockery.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.”
-Liberal Democratic Naysayer?? no, George Washington
December 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by bitblt #25:
You can quote all the (since modified) state constitutions you want but that does not change the fact that the treaty explicitly, and as the law of the land, refutes the canard that the US was officially christian.
Is that so hard for you to understand?
December 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmhe’s not a King, he’s a Jester!
a christian clown! watch him turn the constitution upside down!
the fool needs a good waterboarding.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#29 - you know, I misread what Hastings said. I thought he said all you needed to do was to look at the commercialism to see that as the assault on Christmas.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmAmazing that Republicans continue to think that this kind of crap has legs. What a total embarrassment the Republican party is.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmI’m in favor of all-out war on the GOP…..and their enablers.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmJesus H. Christ in a Burqa!…who really cares if this country was founded AS a christian nation or not! Those founders were also genocidal slave-owning sexists and we try not to be any of THOSE things anymore. What are we going to BE as a nation in the future? Proud and strong, or just the country where the Chinese get their cleaning ladies from?
December 12th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThe Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals; it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government … it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen’s protection against the government.
Any government that prescribes a mandated recognition of religious doctrine as a cure for the perception of social ills fails its country.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:18 pmAnd let’s worship Christ and let’s celebrate Christmas for the right reasons.
yes. Buy 0 presents.
Spend 0 on wrapping and cards and other frivolities.
Give all that money to charity.
Then you can have a spiritual Christmas.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pm“Darryl” is FUNNY!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I AM a Christian,
yet I see that people like Bush, King, Romney, etc. clearly do NOT follow the WORDS of Jesus Christ.
When judgement day comes, Jesus will tell them ALL:
“Begone (go to hell, sucker)!. I NEVER KNEW YOU!!”
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pmNIce work, bitbit. Perhaps you could elaborate on which Christian principles this nation was founded?
The divinity of Jesus?
The sanctity of the Bible as the Word of God?
The fulfillment of the prophesies of the Torah?
The One True Church built on the Rock of Peter?
These seem to me to be Christian principles — in other words, principles unique to the Christian faith, set apart from those of other faiths. Because, surely, a nation founded on Christian principles, should have something uniquely Christian in its bedrock documents, right?
What you have offered certainly attests to the usefulness of community worship, and of the influence of a Christian culture on the simple ceremony of government, but it doesn’t really illustrate anything beyond that.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pmThis is just more of the false sense of entitlement that “Christians” have had since Pilgrims first set foot on the North American continent.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:20 pmYou can quote all the (since modified) state constitutions you want but that does not change the fact that the treaty explicitly, and as the law of the land, refutes the canard that the US was officially christian.
Is that so hard for you to understand?
Comment by lebowski — December 12, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
I agree. I’ve not said that the U.S. is officially Christian. I’ve said that the U.S. is a nation for a Christian people. The influence of Christianity is what makes it work as well as it does.
If you can think of something that would have a more positive influence than Christianity, why don’t you tell us what it is?
BTW, it is a world faith so would you mind terribly capitalizing Christian?
December 12th, 2007 at 3:21 pm“King Decries ‘Assault On Christmas,’ Calls On Americans To ‘Stand Up’ And ‘Worship Christ’”
“Stand Up”?!?! Wait a minute here! i thought kneeling was the proper christ worshipping position?
December 12th, 2007 at 3:21 pmIf jesus saves — well, hed better save himself
From the gory glory seekers who use his name in death.
Oh jesus save me!
Hymn #43 Jethro Tull Aqualung
December 12th, 2007 at 3:22 pmYo, Daryll! Jesus didn’t get me my job.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI studied hard, worked hard, passed a rigorous interviewing process, and he never once put in a good word for me.
I really didn’t feel comfortable using him as a reference…
Oh, and Daryll… I iknow we’ve been over this before, and I know right-wingers believe tat if you say something that isn’t true often enough, it becomes true, but it really doesn’t.
And saying “President-elect Huckabee” doesn’t make it true. Your faith in it doesn’t make it true.
It makes you inaccurate. And frankly, it makes you look like a fool.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:23 pmThese people ruin Jesus’ birthday every year.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:23 pmAnd let’s worship Christ and let’s celebrate Christmas for the right reasons.
Like mass commercialism
December 12th, 2007 at 3:23 pmfrom Baptist Joint Committee
December 12th, 2007 at 3:24 pmBTW, it is a world faith so would you mind terribly capitalizing Christian?
Comment by bitblt — December 12, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
I capitalize Christian when it describes people who listen to and follow the WORDS of Jesus Christ.
When I see people like Bush, Huckabee, Delay, King, Romney, etc., I use the word “christian”.
They CLEARLY do NOT follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:24 pmThe War on Christmas? Oh, yes. I did see armed guards at the mall.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe war on Christmas is a strawman created by Mammonist pundits.
I will not worship eggnog, tinsel, Santa Clause or flying reindeer because I am a Christian.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pmWhat I want to know is why no one is making a bigger deal about the fact that only 9 members of the House voted against this bill!
December 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pmI don’t believe in a god, christian, Christian or otherwise.
But if there was a god, I would pray to Him to save me from His followers.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pmSG- Pete Stark voted against it — and I expect that Nancy Pelosi will force him to apologize momentarily.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pmA whole lot of folks need to get a handle on the reasons the Founders provided for Separation of Church and State - then maybe they could appreciate it was done to protect them, not attack them, and stop being spoiled, ungrateful people who know far too little about what really makes the USA a great country.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:28 pmAnd soon there was nothing Left for the cannibals to feed on.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:28 pmComment by bitblt #43
“a nation for christian people…”????
You mean after we killed most of the Indians and brought over and enslaved millions of Africans — all in the name of christianity?
You call that “positive”? Please explain.
You can believe what you want, but this is most certainly not a nation for christians.
Still, it is clear that christianity is the religion of the majority of Americans. Why are some christians, almost always conservative republicans, so outrageously defensive and obsessed with delusions of persecution? You’re seriously miffed that I didn’t capitalize “christianity”?
That is an excellent example of the vacuousness of christian whining about persecution.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmbitblt may be correct about some of the early state constitutions having a religious base, which is all the more reason to be grateful for the fact that the federal constitution did not, and that it was crafted by people who not only understood the dangers of a state religion but who were the products of the Age of Reason, some of them theists but very few of them “Christians” in anything but name.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmAssault on Christmas..!!!
By who Mr. King? when it happened ? Where it happened?….Prove it ,without political rhetoric.
looks like…’war on christmas ‘ becoming an annual event by itself.
The last few years , every Christmas season,the same claims are made, with the help of Fox network ,of course.
What’s wrong with these people…?!!
It is sickening to keep reading about religion used by politicans. This is the worst political environment ever in the history of this nation..it is polluted with religious rhetorics everywhere you look..
Americans need to stand and fight against this,or soon they will find themselves with a government run by theologists.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmLet’s see - the garden variety R wants “Big Government” out of their lives, yet they also want “Big Government” inside their Churches?
Yet another example of incoherence.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmWow, it took this long for Daryll to show up?
Daryll, how much money do you spend each year on Christmas presents? Do all the presents that you give to your loved ones represent Jesus or his tenets?
I do agree with you that, for Christians, there should be no single “season” to celebrate their Christianity. Therefore, there should be no Christmas season at all. But then, the retailers would go out of business, as they depend on the Christmas season for a huge percent of their sales, and I don’t think that THAT has anything to do with Christ.
Whoa, did you say that Jesus died on the cross so that Christians could have “good jobs”? WTF?
December 12th, 2007 at 3:31 pmBTW, don’t forget that the early Puritan settlers actually banned Christmas.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pmQuestion with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
December 12th, 2007 at 3:33 pmRucerious, I went throught the same methods to become employed through the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community, but God assisted in helping me receive employment through my current employer (a DoD contracting company). You may not realize it, but he did the same for you.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Since GW Bush OBVIOUSLY does NOT follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, his DADDY must have gotten him the job (stolen, in Bush style, of course!)
Or his MASTER Satan, more likely….
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:33 pmYou may not realize it, but he did the same for you.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
You absolutely don’t realize it, but he had nothing to do with it.
A good education (public university), hard work (my own company for seven years), and a real desire to excel were the only factors that got me this great job!
December 12th, 2007 at 3:35 pm#58 And soon there was nothing Left for the cannibals to feed on.
Comment by Joneser — December 12, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage’s whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:35 pmBTW, don’t forget that the early Puritan settlers actually banned Christmas.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — December 12, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
The original War on Christmas. :D
December 12th, 2007 at 3:35 pmCrap, Jesus has been reduced to running a temp agency. What a huge step down from deity.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:36 pm…but God assisted in helping me receive employment through my current employer (a DoD contracting company).
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Thanks, Daryll! I laughed so hard I think I pissed my pants.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:36 pmGod helped you get a job with a DoD contractor?!?!
You’re making this sh!t up, right?
Too funny!
I gotta give you credit for that response!
Gayrll -
Department of Defense* (something you of all people should not be allowed even near) and the Intelligence Community* (something that you certainly don’t qualify for, Intelligence is not your strong point)
You’re a sick, sick, sick person Gayrll
Bush/Cheney
Hague ‘09
Gayrll
December 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pmLoonybin
‘08
I give thanks to official like Rep. King who is trying to instill Jesus back into our society. With Rep. King and President-Elect Huckabee, we cannot fail. Jesus is the reason for the season. He died on the cross for us, gave us a chance to live, good jobs, etc. We should be content in Jesus and celebrate him everyday. Rep. King and President-Elect Huckabee enthuses me. Huckabee King 08′.
Comment by Daryll
Your Daryll are one of the worst kinds of fundamentalists. You are no different than the islamists that want to create Islamic Theocracies.
The only difference is that you are advocating a Cristian Theocracy.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:39 pmThese people ruin Jesus’ birthday every year.
Comment by Zooey — December 12, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Yeah, I believe that he would prefer just a small gathering of his closest friends, maybe a cake…
December 12th, 2007 at 3:39 pmdaryll worships mam-mon
December 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmdaryll worships mam-mon
daryll worships mam-mon
Religious pompousness is so lame.
If things go well, thank god.
If things go bad, it’s his will…
What a racket.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmooh - for a minute there i knew what it feels like to be a Fundy…..
December 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmweirder than drugs, i can tell you.
Yeah, I believe that he would prefer just a small gathering of his closest friends, maybe a cake…
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — December 12, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Or perhaps some wine and cheese?
December 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSorry, Daryll, but that’s still really lame about Jesus being a career consultant. Really, really lame, and, according to the nuns that taught me from grades 1-12, incredibly wrong.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:41 pmNo, he died on the cross to redeem our souls, but it is because of his assistance that we have lucrative careers. Aren’t you glad that he is a gracious and merciful God? Also, I spend money on gifts, but it is not in celebration of Christmas.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
So, Darryl, since Bush has been shown to be a LIAR, TORTURER and a MURDERER of God’s children,
how do you think the prospects for the SOUL of this MURDERER stand?
He DOESN’T seem to follow Jesus’ teachings, so I can only conclude that Jesus will not let him be with him or God for eternity.
Right?
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:42 pmOr perhaps some wine and cheese?
Comment by RUCerious — December 12, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
That would be nice, just no onion rings! :)
December 12th, 2007 at 3:42 pm78 - You mean like how it was “awesome” that God helped the guard shoot the shooter that shot those people at the Church the other day?
To hear the Parishioners, including the guard talk about it, you’d have thought it was something they were glad happened, just for the sake of “helping” the guard shoot the shooter.
Sorry if my post about it doesn’t make sense - I’m just trying to relay the sentiments of the people who were there.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThat would be nice, just no onion rings! :)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — December 12, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Oh, PLEASE, let’s not go there again!!!
December 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pmSo, Darryl, since Bush has been shown to be a LIAR, TORTURER and a MURDERER of God’s children,
how do you think the prospects for the SOUL of this MURDERER stand?
He DOESN’T seem to follow Jesus’ teachings, so I can only conclude that Jesus will not let him be with him or God for eternity.
Right?
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:45 pmOne more little tidbit, and I really have got to get back to work.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:45 pmWhy do all these pseudo (c)hristians get all worked up regarding Christmas, and the supposed war?
As a Christian, I believe we should celebrate Easter more than Christmas. The Resurrection is what defines us as a religion. Yet, besides the mysterious candy given bunny, the local egg hunts, and the once a year trek to church, it’s a celebration that’s mostly ignored. Why? Does the almighty dollar mean more than the Saviour of our sins? Is that why they declare a mythical war on Xmas? To spend spend spend?
That would be nice, just no onion rings! :)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — December 12, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Oh, PLEASE, let’s not go there again!!!
Comment by RUCerious — December 12, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Mmmmm, fry sauce lube….
December 12th, 2007 at 3:45 pmYes, I am currently supporting an Intelligence Agency contract, which communicates with other DoD organizations (suburban DC). I have multiple charge numbers to conduct IT work for these contracts
Translation:
I’m a tester.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmExcept for healthcare and taxes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmThe rightwing tools are taking the reverence and solemnity out of Christmas by politicizing it.
Just like 9-11.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmYes, I am currently supporting an Intelligence Agency contract, which communicates with other DoD organizations (suburban DC). I have multiple charge numbers to conduct IT work for these contracts, and I am proud to support our government.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Well, now we know how/why those NIE’s are all screwed up.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI believe we should celebrate Easter …
I still remember the argument I got into with Sister Valeria in fifth grade, when I argued that unless he’d been born, he couldn’t have risen from the dead, so Xmas must be more important.
Got me several knuckle whacks, that one did…
December 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWhen Bush DROPS DEAD, his new MASTER Satan is gonna SMASH HIS FACE every second FOR ETERNITY.
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:48 pmComment by RUCerious — December 12, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/650
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Founders are replete with their belief in and promotion of the Christian religion in its enlarged sense. Even Thomas Jefferson, who probably questioned the deity of Christ, nevertheless advocated and defended true Christianity. In a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush on April 21, 1803, he wrote:
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Almost hints…almost hints… that the influence of religion in this country was discussed then much as it is now and as much as it is now.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:48 pmComment by bitblt
For those who may want to know, bitblt is getting the information from Apologetics Press, which is based in Montgomery, AL. They are a NON-PROFIT & TAX EXEMPT organization, flouting rule of law (IRS Code baning political activity) and attempting to bring about a Theocracy in this country based on Christianity. Here is what they believe (from their web site: http://www.apologeticspress.org/apinfo/aboutap)
The following principles of truth are accepted by those who actively participate in this work:
I don’t have time to take the nine points and refute them one by one, but I will say that item # 6 is the typical mindset of people who are radical fundamentalists, be they Christians or Muslims. At the end of the day, they are inherently dangerous to the freedom and safety of all people (humanity) since they envision themselves superior and everyone else inferior.
I have said the before and I will say this again, anyone who wants to live in a theocracy, need only to go to Saudi Arabia or Iran or some parts of Afghanistan, where the Taliban rule.
Food for thought, Mahatma Gandhi is one of the most respected leaders of modern history. A Hindu, Ghandi nevertheless admired Jesus and often quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, “Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?”
Ghandi replied, “Oh, I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
December 12th, 2007 at 3:48 pmKing wants to know why nine “liberal Democrat naysayers” could vote against his bill.
It’s because they recognize the cheap exploitation of Christmas and other religious matters for political purposes when they see it. They probably also see that Christmas is plenty recognized in this country and needs no help from Congress for promotion.
King claims that “secularists” want to eradicate Christ from Christmas.
I don’t think it’s “secularists” that are doing the eradicating. I think it’s the “commericialists” — people who make gobs of money off of the holiday. Santa, Frosty, and assorted reindeer sell a lot better than the baby Jesus. Most of what we see and hear around Christmas is secular instead of sacred. We see decorated trees (secular), lots of lights (secular), Santa displays (secular), snow scenes (secular), and occasionally we see a nativity scene (sacred). Flip on your 24/7 Christmas music radio station and you’ll hear a few sacred Christmas carols, but most of what you hear is “White Christmas”, “Santa Claus is Coming To Town”, and other purely secular pop holiday standards sung by every has-been in the business. Don’t blame this cultural shift on the evil liberals — just commercialism run amok.
And King’s other claim about this being a “Christian” nation? That has been debunked by so many others here at this site — on this thread and many others — that I won’t merely repeat what they have already said better than I. I will say that this isn’t a Christian nation. It’s a free nation where the majority of citizens are Christians. And that’s a BIG difference.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:50 pmGhandi replied, “Oh, I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.â€
Comment by Citizen_of_Earth — December 12, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Exactly.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 3:50 pmAs a Native American… I find the notion that Christianity was a ‘positive influence’ somewhat repugnant.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:52 pmYes, I am currently supporting an Intelligence Agency contract, which communicates with other DoD organizations (suburban DC). I have multiple charge numbers to conduct IT work for these contracts, and I am proud to support our government.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
You said you were working on the satellite systems previously.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pmIf so, tell me the transfer bitrate of the current satellites. Uplink and downlink. ( I know what they are because my father developed the systems for the military, lets see if someone that claims to work on them knows )
Comment by bitblt — December 12, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
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And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
December 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pmlets see if someone that claims to work on them knows )
December 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWayne, he’s a low level flunky tester, he wouldn’t know that stuff if it bit his ass.l
#98 Comment by missmolly,
As usual, you’ve completely hit the nail on the head.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmIt is still baffling how they can vote yes for Muslim holidays and No to Christian ones. What kind of message is that? BTW, it was wrong to vote against the Muslim holidays.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:56 pmYes, I am currently supporting an Intelligence Agency contract, which communicates with other DoD organizations (suburban DC). I have multiple charge numbers to conduct IT work for these contracts
Translation:
I’m a tester.
Comment by RUCerious — December 12, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Further translation: Geek Squad
December 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pmAs a Native American… I find the notion that Christianity was a ‘positive influence’ somewhat repugnant.
Comment by raynman — December 12, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Only “somewhat”?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pmIt is still baffling how they can vote yes for Muslim holidays and No to Christian ones. What kind of message is that? BTW, it was wrong to vote against the Muslim holidays.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Who cares? The entire issue is a farce and a waste of tax-payer dollars. Both resolutions.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pmComment by Wayne — December 12, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Wayne, that sounds like something that Wayne S. might know, too. I’ll check with him later.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWayne, he’s a low level flunky tester, he wouldn’t know that stuff if it bit his ass.l
Comment by RUCerious — December 12, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Its not the first time I have asked Saint Daryll this question. I wanted to see if he still disappears like every time I ask LMAO
December 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmIt is still baffling how they can vote yes for Muslim holidays and No to Christian ones. What kind of message is that? BTW, it was wrong to vote against the Muslim holidays.
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 12, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
The government of the United States respects and supports minorities to make sure their voices are heard. That’s what separates our Government from that thing they have in Iraq. At least that’s the way it should be. Christians are hardly under siege in this country and their voices are hardly squelched.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:05 pmDon’t get me wrong, Wayne, all the testers I work with are great, and I couldn’t do my job without them, but D said not to long ago that he was doing black box testing, which you don’t see code, variables, or any of the input data in detail, just run the script, record the results, next script….all day long.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:05 pmHey Daryll, when’s the trip to Rio?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWayne, that sounds like something that Wayne S. might know, too. I’ll check with him later.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — December 12, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
The satellite systems have improved alot for the military. For example, in Desert Storm they had to ship 12 cargo planes loaded with just cables to hook up command computer systems.
That much cabling is no longer needed for the new systems.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:07 pmIt is still baffling how they can vote yes for Muslim holidays and No to Christian ones. What kind of message is that? BTW, it was wrong to vote against the Muslim holidays.
Comment by Roger_Roger — December 12, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
An excellent point, but I think I have an explanation. First, most voted for King’s resolution. Only nine didn’t. It’s important to note that.
I don’t know why the nine voted the way they did, since I haven’t read any quotes by them yet. But I would bet that it has something to do with the spirit in which each of these resolutions were introduced. Resolutions recognizing Ramadan and Diwali were introduced NOT to diss Christianity, but to foster a feeling of inclusion with Americans who happen to be Muslim or Hindu and celebrate those holidays.
I believe they were also done to show the world that even though an overwhelming majority of Americans are Christian either by faith or by culture, we celebrate the diversity of our mixed populace. This is important in these times when we don’t receive a whole lot of good will from the rest of the world.
Now, about King’s resolution. There are some who felt that it was introduced not with an attitude of inclusion and tolerance, but with an attitude of combativeness and as a political “gotcha”. I doubt that those who voted against it did so because they don’t like Christmas — I suspect it was just that they didn’t want to play King’s little game.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:10 pmJesus never believed in liberalism.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
He didn’t believe in your cracked idea of him either.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:14 pmHey, D, come on down, you’re always welcome, as is your wife at the RUC household. You’ll have to put up with my rambunctious four year old, Amber, but we’d have a great old time.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:15 pmcomment by Daryll #117
Newsflash: they’re already christian.
Or don’t you count catholics as christian?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:16 pmJesus never believed in liberalism,
Yeah, that feeding the poor stuff, camel eye passing stuff wasn’t his, was it…
December 12th, 2007 at 4:16 pmAttention christian shoppers! Wal Mart is sold out of talking action figure Jesuses.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:16 pmJesus: The Original Liberal
December 12th, 2007 at 4:17 pmAttention christian shoppers! Wal Mart is sold out of talking action figure Jesuses.
Comment by tablogloid — December 12, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
But Target just got a truckload of the glow in the dark Jeebus statuettes!
December 12th, 2007 at 4:18 pmJesus never believed in liberalism.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
I beg to differ with you on that one. Jesus paid far more attention to the poor and the downtrodden than conservatives do. Jesus was not all about making all the money you can (in fact, He said something about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven), He was about helping your brother (something about “and when you do for the least among you, you do for Me”).
Jesus wasn’t a warmonger. He told us to turn our cheek when we are struck. He told us to pray for those who persecute us and allow God to take vengeance.
Jesus was fairly conservative on social issues — He had something to say about adultery, for example. However, He saved a prostitute from being stoned to death (but He did tell her to “sin no more”).
And one other rather important point — Jesus preached to those who wanted to listen to Him. But He NEVER forced conversion upon anyone.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:19 pmDaryll must be convinced that the Sermon on the Mount was done by an imposter. All that “blessed are the meek” crap had to have been the work of some filthy librul Hollywood writer. Or… whatever they had back then that was similar.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmBut Target just got a truckload of the glow in the dark Jeebus statuettes!
Comment by RUCerious — December 12, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
RUCerious, you’re going to hell for sure! Which is good, at least I’ll know someone when I get there. :)
December 12th, 2007 at 4:23 pmSeriously, is Daryll one of those “catholics aren’t christians” morons?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — December 12, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Blessed are the cheesemakers? ;)
December 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pmOne more little tidbit, and I really have got to get back to work.
Why do all these pseudo (c)hristians get all worked up regarding Christmas, and the supposed war?
As a Christian, I believe we should celebrate Easter more than Christmas. The Resurrection is what defines us as a religion. Yet, besides the mysterious candy given bunny, the local egg hunts, and the once a year trek to church, it’s a celebration that’s mostly ignored. Why? Does the almighty dollar mean more than the Saviour of our sins? Is that why they declare a mythical war on Xmas? To spend spend spend?
Comment by DRxJ — December 12, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Surely you can answer this one yourself?
BTW, I’ve not commented on the topic of this thread.
Why do all these pseudo (c)hristians get all worked up regarding Christmas, and the supposed war?
Determining who is and who isn’t a Christian is my department, but I can comment on the “…get all worked up regarding Christmas…â€
It’s guerrilla marketing - the most exposure for the least amount of effort. That and the fact that many Christians believe their faith is the one to insult with impunity. If Muslims in this country were abused the way the Christian are abused, there would be riots – around the world.
I’ll ignore the massive commercial overtones of the season as mentioned by some many others.
My opinions are these:
The story of the Nativity, in the Bible, is a joyous story and easy to remember and to repeat. In short the baby Jesus in the manger does require much of those who hear the story. It requires nothing beyond a few sweet coos. As problematic as this event was to Herod, it’s requires nothing of modern people.
Jesus in the manger is hopefulness for the rest of the story.
The story of the Resurrection is something altogether different. The story of the betrayal, trial, crucifixion, death, and resurrection, also in the Bible, is not pretty in any sense of the word. Only the end of this sequence of events, the Resurrection, has any attraction. It is to Christ’s glory that he willing went through His “passion.â€
You are correct that all Christianity hangs on this event. The difference is that this image, of a man being executed for your sins, requires something. Christ on the cross requires as decision as to whether you will accept the Father’s salvation through the sacrifice of this Son or whether you’ll reject it.
Christ on the cross demands.
Baby Jesus received gifts. Suffering Savior gives eternal life.
***** on your observation.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pmBaby Jesus received gifts. Suffering Savior gives eternal life.
Comment by bitblt — December 12, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
You are one sick f_ck, aren’t you? No wonder you whackjobs condone torture — your religion is based on it.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:28 pmmissmolly, you are on fire today.
Your comment #125 made me reconsider Daryll’s position. It’s not so much that daryll holds a flase image of jesus (although that’s clearly the case); it’s more that he has a false version of liberalism. Like most Regressives who prefer not to think too hard on anything important, Daryll has embraced a cartoon version of what constitutes liberalism that, in decades past, would have served as a useful cartoon version of communism and, before that, of Nazism. Really, any “evil empire” you can conjure up, Daryll’s current view of “liberalism” can apply to it. Including “The Empire” in Star Wars.
It’s not important to Daryll or others like him to have an accurate picture of things they oppose; it’s the opposition itself that fuels them.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:28 pmCHRISTMAS IS A PAGAN HOLIDAY.
Hence the big fat guy that is not Christ. Hence the elves making toys that are not angels. Hence the tree, which is a sign of fertility (you know as in having sex). Etc. etc.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:29 pmIf life is eternal, what is death?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:29 pmJane, you devil! That “cheesemakers” line made me burst out laughing.
“No, it’s the meek! Blessed are the meek! …That’s nice because they ‘ave a ‘ell of a time.”
December 12th, 2007 at 4:29 pmComment by bitblt — December 12, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Very stirring. The question remains though; what right does Congress have to endorse the legitimacy of religious Holy Days?
I find it greatly disturbing that they are even discussing such issues.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmSorry, Ralph, I had to, it was there. One of the funniest bits in a very funny movie.
Can I at least hope that you were drinking something when you read my comment? I’ve yet to make someone do a spit take on their keyboard!
December 12th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThe fact that many Christians believe their faith is the one to insult with impunity. If Muslims in this country were abused the way the Christian are abused, there would be riots – around the world.
Comment by bitblt — December 12, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
That has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with group dynamics.
In any social group, the majority is generally able to be attacked in ways that the minority cannot. The powerful are always ripe targets for satire and criticism because of their power position. When minorities or the powerless are attacked, most people recognize an unfair fight and look down on it. This is a principle that Rush and Coulter and Beck and so many other right-wing “comedians” don’t understand. When you pick on the weak (and yes, in our culture, minorities are politically weak) you look to most people like a bully.
It’s like TV commercials. Inevitably, the dad is the doofus. The mom is the smart one. If there are kids, usually the kids are even smarter, especially if it’s a product aimed at them.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:37 pmRUCerious, you’re going to hell for sure! Which is good, at least I’ll know someone when I get there. :)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — December 12, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Look for me in the room where everyone’s standing around waist deep in shit, partying and having a great ole time…
that is until the whistle sounds and the loudspeaker announces,
“OK, everybody, back into the headstand position”
December 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pm.
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Jesus paid far more attention to the poor and the downtrodden than conservatives do.
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Comment by missmolly — December 12, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
If you’re talking about the U.S. government, I don’t have an opinion about this.
If you’re talking about Conservative Christians(CCs), you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Much of the aid to poor people in this country is through private means – churches, and if you want to know who rebuilt the Gulf coast you better start talking to the CCs.
I personally know one man who made thirteen trips to the Gulf coast to work for hurricane victims. He had never seen these people before he showed up to help them recover their homes.
Southern Baptist are organized to mobilize for hurricane relief. They’re so organized for this that they send wave after waves of workers to hurricane areas. Kitchens, laundries, chainsaw shops.
One report I heard was of a small residential street outside of NOLA where there were vans from three different Evangelical denominations from three different parts of the country.
You can not imagine the money and effort made by Christians in the Southern, and other states, to help the people in LA and MS, and it’s not over yet.
As an aside, do you know what the Amish – the ones whose daughters were murdered – did with the money they received?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“Jesus never believed in liberalism.”
Comment by Daryll
How about Matthew chapter 5?
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.
Perhaps it is just me, but that sounds liberal.
Or what about down in verse 38 where Jesus said, “You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.”
Don’t you think that is a liberal way of seeing things?
Martin Luther King, Jr. a Baptist minister was a proponent of the separation of church and state. He recognized that our founding fathers put a wall of separation between the church (our personal faith systems) and the affairs of state (our government). King stated that the church “is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool.â€
Why is it that so called Christians, people who were instructed to love one another have so much hate for anyone who has a different opinion or have no ability to have a open and honest discussion?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmAmish-basher.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:43 pmHey Daryll, when’s the trip to Rio?
Comment by RUCerious — December 12, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Dec 18-24. My wife and I are going down to save souls. Maybe we should come through some of your neighborhoods because Democrats truly need Jesus. Jesus never believed in liberalism.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Better start in DC. GW Bush lives there:
LIAR, MURDERER, TORTURER of God’s children.
And YOUR soul is ALSO in danger if you support him.
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pmGod and Jesus SEE the EVIL that Bush, Cheney and the rest of their PNAC WAR CRIMINALS have done.
Jesus sure doesn’t believe in GW Bush…
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
December 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pmThis really bothers me. This seems dangerous. We’re doomed…DOOMED I tell you!
December 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWhy is it that so called Christians, people who were instructed to love one another have so much hate for anyone who has a different opinion or have no ability to have a open and honest discussion?
Comment by Citizen_of_Earth — December 12, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Because they “so-call” themselves “christians”.
REAL Christians know that they are exactly that: so-called “christians”.
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pm–Sister Mary Agnes, Regina Coeli School, Hyde Park, NY
circa 1965
I have still yet to read where Congress got the right to endorse, or define, Holy Days. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s illegal and unconstitutional.
WTF?
December 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pmJesus never believed in liberalism.
Comment by Daryll — December 12, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Jesus was a liberal.
December 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pmBet you I can find more scripture supporting that Jesus was a liberal. But you don’t really read the bible do you daryll, you just let your preacher tell you…..
“From the quotes above it seems obvious that the U.S. was a nation for a Christian people. When I use this phrase, “…a nation for a Christian people,†I don’t mean that all others have to leave, or even that the Christians want to be in charge. I mean that it seems apparent to me that the reason it – the U.S. – has worked as well as it has is because the preponderant influence of Christianity. ”
So how come Europe was such a mess during the Middle Ages?
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