FBI agent threatened to arrest CIA interrogators in 2002.
FBI agent threatened to arrest CIA interrogators in 2002.
Last week, the CIA revealed that it had destroyed videotapes of interrogations of two al Qaeda detainees, including logistics chief Abu Zubaydah. Newsweek reports today that methods used in the interrogation of Zubaydah “sparked an internal battle within the U.S. intelligence community” to such an extent that one FBI agent “threatened to arrest the CIA interrogators“:
The videotapes, made in 2002, showed the questioning of two high-level Qaeda detainees, including logistics chief Abu Zubaydah, whose interrogation at a secret cell in Thailand sparked an internal battle within the U.S. intelligence community after FBI agents angrily protested the aggressive methods that were used. In addition to waterboarding, Zubaydah was subjected to sleep deprivation and bombarded with blaring rock music by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. One agent was so offended he threatened to arrest the CIA interrogators, according to two former government officials directly familiar with the dispute.
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December 13th, 2007 at 5:27 pmFrancine,
There seems to be huge group of disgruntled intelligent people, and it’s growing greater every day. Last I looked the percentages were about 75% intelligent and the rest are in a daisy chain with their heads up each other’s ass. Isn’t that uncomfortable?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIt would be interesting to know who is spreading these lies. It must be a clique of liberal disgruntled intelligence workers.
Comment by Frank M — December 13, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Frank is clinging by his fingernails to his ludicrous rationalizations.
Try calibrating against reality, Frank. I think you find it liberating.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmUh-oh….
December 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAttorney General Michael Mukasey will now say Waterboarding is illegal
( as of Today)
December 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmIt would be interesting to know who is spreading these lies. It must be a clique of liberal disgruntled intelligence workers.
Comment by Frank M — December 13, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Is this like Tourette’s, this need of yours to post outrageously stupid comments?
How do you know they’re lies, Frank? Is that your response whenever you hear something you don’t want to know? You could just stick your fingers in your ears and say “la la la la la”. It would be equally as effective and we wouldn’t have to keep scraping your poo off the computer.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmToo bad they didn’t arrest those traitors. It’s time for a real housecleaning, starting with the executive branch. Our nation has been turned into a fearful, ignorant, violent gang.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmIt would be interesting to know who is spreading these lies. It must be a clique of liberal disgruntled intelligence workers.
Comment by Frank M — December 13, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
God told two FBI brothers that they needed to save their country by revealing this information. Are you questioning God, country, and family?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmrubbing Red Hot Chili Peppers in his eyes should be illegal too
December 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pm“Sleep deprivation and bombarded with blaring rock music by the Red Hot Chili Peppers.”
If they had chosen Michael Jackson, that would be torture. Half of America’s college students torture themselves with sleep deprivation and the Peppers.
This is called levity, no one flip out.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pm#6: Why would he do that?
Comment by Frank M — December 13, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Because he doesn’t want to be arrested by the FBI for breaking national and international law, you ignorant nazi ass.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pmdamn that liberal FBI - we should outsource them to a private company run by an as-yet-unindicted Republican CEO (who really, really, really promises he won’t rip us off this time)!!!!
December 13th, 2007 at 5:33 pmIt would be interesting to know who is spreading these lies. It must be a clique of liberal disgruntled intelligence workers.
Comment by Frank M
Yeah…Must be the ones who respect the Constitution and the rule of law. Those are some baaaaad people, alright.
Frank - I am going to have a fundraiser in your honor! I am trying to come up with enough room on a transport plane to get you to Iran or Syria, maybe Saudi Arabia. They really like their dictators and kings over there. Just make sure you bring some sun block - I hear it is very hot.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmwell dont just stand there arrest them now
December 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmYou know, I think we should torture those CIA agents to find out who and why and when. Because torture is such A GOOD WAY to get information.
Let start with Hayden. The shrunken bald head and greasy little face and thin mouth dont offer much in the way proof of strength of character.
You know what would be better…. If FBI Agents arrested Bush and Cheney.
I mean……… Why not?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pmFrank doesn’t even bother with a list of possibilities, just straight to the absolute proclamation of the fact of it - because he is omniscient, which is why he posts comments on blogs.
100% in-co-her-ent
December 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pm100% of the time
Comment by Keltoi — December 13, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
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If they don’t confess after the Red Hot Chili Peppers, they are then forced to 48 hrs of Billy Ray Cyrus - Achy Breaky Heart. Immediately they confess to 9/11, lead poisoning in toys, creating global warming, and anything else that will make them stop the music!
December 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmblaring rock music by the Red Hot Chili Peppers
- - If that doesn’t constitute torture, then nothing does! Bleeech.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:38 pmFrank, it’s been against the law for decades. Bush’s signing statements have no basis, there’s nothing he can do, except hang by the nck until dead, and I will cheer and dance when it happens, as will the rest of humanity.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:38 pmHarry Reid is stripping Oil Industry taxes from energy bill, to get Rep support. Dem Senator Landrau broke ranks to protect her state’s interests:
http://uk.reuters.com/ article/ oilRpt/ idUKN1322555720071213
Sadly, alcohol mandates will be in place, driving up grain and associated food prices, hurting the poor, who may not even own a car.
Make sure you libs thank the bum on the corner for subsidizing your ethanol vehicle, ‘kay?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:39 pmTopic, Hendler. Topic.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:40 pmknock it off - how many times do people have to ask you nicely?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:40 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — December 13, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
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Well hell, since it’s “post sh!t that’s totally off topic day”
http://vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=246
December 13th, 2007 at 5:41 pmno one who’s “up on the topic” is down with ethanol any more, just to help you get your scope calibrated a little better.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:41 pmTP refuses to create threads on the most important topics of the day, so I have to keep educating you on these vacuous threads.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmJason has run out of talking points, has to throw some irrelevant junk out there to get his daily dollar from the rNC.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmTP refuses to create threads on the most important topics of the day, so I have to keep educating you on these vacuous threads.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 13, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
You haven’t educated yourself on the really important matters, how do you expect anybody else to give a shit what you puke up?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIt would be interesting to know who is spreading these lies. It must be a clique of liberal disgruntled intelligence workers.
Comment by Frank M
What lies Francine? As you know they are lies how? Because it is something you don’t want to believe, in your mind it must be a lie. What a pitiful creature you are.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWell hell, since it’s “post sh!t that’s totally off topic dayâ€
Today is three days before Beethoven’s birthday!
December 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThe US is trying to remove a reference to 25-40% cuts in carbon pollution by 2020 for developed countries, which remained in the draft roadmap released by the UN yesterday
December 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmEven if there’s a veto-proof majority, the President will just issue a signing statement to make this problem go away.
Comment by Frank M
I think this says all that needs to be said about the character of Francine.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmReading Heil Hendler’s off topic crap should also be considered torture.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmBush surely cannot Issue a signing statement because
President George W. Bush says the United States does not torture
December 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmTP refuses to create threads on the most important topics of the day, so I have to keep educating you on these vacuous threads.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 13, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
They get really vacuous whenever you show up, Jason. Why do you suppose that is?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:51 pmIt prohibits eight methods, including waterboarding
what about not using water and use corn oil instead ???????
Corn boarding
December 13th, 2007 at 5:51 pmso I have to keep educating you on these vacuous threads.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 13, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
It’s a scientific fact that the only things that you HAVE to do are breathe, eat, drink, protect yourself from weather extremes, and expel waste.
You have the last one covered well.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:51 pmWell hell, since it’s “post sh!t that’s totally off topic dayâ€
Today is three days before Beethoven’s birthday!
Comment by RUCerious — December 13, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
It’s my ex-wife’s birthday this very day! Imagine that!
December 13th, 2007 at 5:52 pmI like fun.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:52 pmI like the Tin Man.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:53 pmSinopec to triple oil import from Iran
China’s refiner Sinopec Corp. will triple its import of crude from Iran next year
That should shut the trolls up
December 13th, 2007 at 5:54 pm43 - and they’ll be doing the deals in………Euros???
December 13th, 2007 at 5:55 pmThreats do not change the agent’s having become an accessory, so no action was taken.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:55 pmSinopec to triple oil import from Iran
China’s refiner Sinopec Corp. will triple its import of crude from Iran next year
That should shut the trolls up
Comment by Bush Cover Ups — December 13, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
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Now we definitely have to bomb Iran. Then we can borrow money from China to finance the occupation.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:56 pm“rabble rabble….Fiscal Conservatism…..hrumph hrpumph..Economic Responsibility….rabble hrumph!!”
-OBigfoot.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:56 pmwhat about not using water and use corn dogs instead ???????
Corn dog boarding
December 13th, 2007 at 5:56 pm!!
what about not using water and use corn dogs instead ???????
Corn dog boarding
!!
Comment by RUCerious — December 13, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
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The day they start beerboarding I’m doing something to get arrested!
December 13th, 2007 at 5:59 pmAG MuKasey..”I think the Justice Department is capable of doing whatever it appears needs to be done,” Mukasey said. “The question of a special prosecutor is the most hypothetical of hypotheticals, and that isn’t going to be faced until it happens. And if it has to be, it will be.”
Mukasey may have a conflict of interest problem already, and may have to call upon a Special Prosecutor.
Jose Padilla’s lawyers argued before the Florida Federal Court that Abu Zubaydah was tortured into saying Padilla was an al Qaeda associate. The DOJ dismissed Padilla’s allegations as “meritless,†asserting Padilla’s legal team could not prove that Abu Zubaydah had been tortured. Well, it’s clear now that they certainly COULD have, if the tapes of the interrogations of Abu Zubaydah had been made available!
Now here is where Mukasey’s role comes into question. U.S. District Judge Mukasey, now attorney general, was the one who signed the warrant used by the FBI to arrest Padilla in May 2002. Court records show the warrant relied in part on information obtained from Abu Zubaydah’s interrogation. So we have a problem Houston.
The Attorney General can only issue a warrant based upon legally obtained evidence, and confessions under torture are certainly not “legally obtainedâ€. So either Mukasey was misrepresented the evidence, and would be liable to be potentially a party in those who were presented with “perjured evidenceâ€; or he knew that torture was used in obtaining the confession and ignored it.
In either case he is unsuitable to run an investigation, as it will, inevitably, involved himself. Thus a Special Prosecutor is necessary.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThe day they start beerboarding I’m doing something to get arrested!
hahaha very funny
December 13th, 2007 at 6:00 pmthe only thing they had on Padilla
was miraculously 6 years after capture they suddenly found his fingerprint on some dodgy document from Afghanistan alledgedly
SET UP …………..
December 13th, 2007 at 6:03 pmThe day they start beerboarding I’m doing something to get arrested!
Comment by Chris L — December 13, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Throw in the sleep deprivation and blaring Rock music and then we really WILL have a frat party going…
December 13th, 2007 at 6:03 pmClose Keltoi, close. The college students I am lucky enough to be financing torture themselves with blaring Tool, sleep deprivation and tequilaboarding.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:03 pmWhat was the FBI doing in Thailand? Wouldn’t that be CIA territory? What duty was this FBI agent performing in Thailand?
Does the FBI have juridisction on US military bases? If a detainee were on a base, wouldn’t that be considered US territory?
When a crime is committed on a military base, what laws apply? Do US laws apply to people on military bases? I don’t know the answers; I am really asking if anyone knows.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pmWhat was the FBI doing in Thailand? Wouldn’t that be CIA territory? What duty was this FBI agent performing in Thailand?
Does the FBI have juridisction on US military bases? If a detainee were on a base, wouldn’t that be considered US territory?
When a crime is committed on a military base, what laws apply? Do US laws apply to people on military bases? I don’t know the answers; I am really asking if anyone knows.
Comment by mo2 — December 13, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
The FBI does not have jurisdiction on military bases. That falls to the US Army Criminal Investigations Division (CID), the Office of Special Investigations (OSI) for the Air Force, and the Naval Criminal Investigations Division. I served with CID from 2000-2002 at Fort Hood, Texas.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:10 pmWhen a crime is committed on a military base in the US, local state laws apply, but so does the UCMJ - Uniform Code of Military Justice. If they are overseas the SOFA applies - Status of Forces Agreement - this basically says we are subject to the laws of the host country - which is why we weren’t supposed to have alcohol or porn in Iraq.
What was the FBI doing in Thailand? Wouldn’t that be CIA territory? What duty was this FBI agent performing in Thailand?
Comment by mo2 — December 13, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
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Sorry, I forgot to answer the first part of your question and didn’t realize it until after I posted. The FBI does have a foreign counterintelligence unit that works closely with CIA / DIA
December 13th, 2007 at 6:11 pmat a secret cell in Thailand
Doesn’t imply a military base.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThe day they start beerboarding I’m doing something to get arrested!
Comment by Chris L — December 13, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Throw in the sleep deprivation and blaring Rock music and then we really WILL have a frat party going…
Comment by Keltoi at Night — December 13, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Togas?
December 13th, 2007 at 6:14 pmUN suspects torture at Guantanamo
A UN investigator strongly suspects the CIA of using torture on terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay - suggesting many were not being prosecuted to keep the abuse from emerging at trial.
http://english.aljazeera.net/ NR/ exeres/ B9EE5AE9-C2CA-464A-9A0E-DD721D6CDC72.htm
December 13th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI wonder if the red hots are recieving royalties for the gov’t use of their music.
Seriously, Some of those guys in the red hot chilli peppers are really sensitive to torture issues and the use of their music. Anthony did a commercial for Amnesty International. I can not imagine what may be going through flea or john or chad or anthony heads when they learn their gov’t used the rhcp music to torture. Now people will link (literally and figuratively) their music to the torture policies that bush admin has laid forth.
Maybe they can sue as a means to protest torture and to get more information into the public sphere. Cmon Warner Bros. How about it?
December 13th, 2007 at 6:28 pmOne could speculate that this shows a conflict, within and between, the DOJ and DOD. The administration’s habit of promoting members of politically allied cliques has resulted in a “tribal culture” in theses two important wings of government. Just because the various “tribes” are loyal to the neocons does not mean they are loyal to each other.
Of course, one is still left wondering who decided not to arrest the CIA agents and why? And who’s starting to break ranks and release information?
Many people who wish to continue careers in federal government will continue to distance themselves from the neocons and the Bush administration. There’s still time for some of them to follow their conscience.
What’s terribly sad, however, is the near certainty that a generation of American military, and intelligence, personnel are going be judged by the actions of their leaders. And, when faced with evidence of wrong doing, they will respond that they “were just following orders”.
Will the wingnuts ever understand that they have been following illegal orders? I just hope the world is as forgiving of loyal Americans as they have been of others who have done evil out of misplaced loyalty.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:28 pm62 / Hug The Moon - nice call
http://www.redhotchilipeppers.com/
contact them directly on their website mmmmm
December 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pmHouse bans CIA interrogation methods
The US House has approved a bill that bans the CIA from using waterboarding, mock executions and other harsh interrogation methods.
The intelligence bill passed the House by a vote of 222 to 199. The bill still needs Senate approval before it can reach the White House, where President Bush has threatened a veto.
Bush claims the United States does not torture, but the administration will not disclose what interrogation methods it has approved for the CIA.
The measure requires intelligence agents to comply with the Army Field Manual, which bans torture in compliance with the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war.
The bill also blocks spending 70 percent of the intelligence budget until the House and Senate intelligence committees are briefed on the Israeli regime’s Sept. 6 air strike on an alleged nuclear site in Syria.
The 2008 intelligence budget is classified, but it is more than the USD 43b approved for 2007.
http://www.presstv.ir/ Detail.aspx?id=34881§ionid=3510203
December 13th, 2007 at 6:38 pmBush cover ups - Thanks for the tip, Done.
http://www.redhotchilipeppers.com/ members/ community/ mboard/ index.php?topic=38663.0
December 13th, 2007 at 6:50 pmAnd they didn’t arrest them because……..?
If it showed illegal actions taking place, then it was their duty to arrest them, so why not?
Bush/Cheney/CIA tortures
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
December 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“FBI agent threatened to arrest CIA interrogators in 2002″
So why didn’t they?
Is the FBI as chickenshit as the rest of “law enforcement” hanging around Washington, DC?
December 13th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI remember reading about this in the International Red Cross Report with a photo of a detainee chained to the ground - the detainee pulled out all his hair because of the extreme heat and noise and the FBI agents were sickened and testified. That was years ago and along with the Tabaga report should have been featured in the left blogs - these atrocities are so unspeakable, we are to blame for ignoring them. Finally there may be some justice.
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December 13th, 2007 at 10:32 pmcool!!! - the feds threatened to arrest the spies!!! - i wonder how the fbi conduct an interrogation on interrogators?
December 13th, 2007 at 10:49 pmEverybody threatens to arrest everybody but they can’t seem to pull the trigger. Damn! Arrest the CIA interrogators already and make an example of them. We have to start somewhere!
http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/
December 14th, 2007 at 5:06 amThis isnt your average $750 an hr plus expenses attorney!! I wonder who is footing this civil servants bill?
CIA’s Rodriguez Lawyers Up
By Spencer Ackerman - December 14, 2007, 10:59AM
Blink and you’ll miss it in today’s New York Times piece on the House’s torture ban. But Jose Rodriguez, the CIA’s ex-operations director who ordered the interrogation tapes destroyed in late 2005, has hired one of Washington’s most prominent criminal attorneys:
Mr. Rodriguez has hired Robert S. Bennett, a well-known Washington lawyer, to represent him in Congressional and Justice Department inquiries into his handling of the tapes.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004908.php
December 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pm