I am unfortunate enough to be represented by one of these sickos. I have already emailed him (Rep. Brian Bilbray (R-CA)). Please email yours too. Call them out for what they are.

Yet, another lie repeated by the right-whiners.

I guess you CAN fool some of the people all of the time! And the right-whiners swallow the lies like it was oxycontin!

WHEN
DID
TORTURE
BECOME
LEGAL

that Congress has to go and make it illegal …

…A G A I N?

LAWS WERE BROKEN
So Congress makes new ones, instead?

And they say they’re holding just whom, accountable?

COLLUSION!

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Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) claimed that this bill means “no more torture, no more waterboarding, no more clever wordplay, no more evasive answers, no more dishonesty,” but he is overlooking several things: a) a likely veto, b) an even more likely signing statement, and c) an almost certain deliberate flouting of the law by an increasingly lawless administration.

This entire shameful subject is a further reminder that Kucinich was right at the CNN debate last month: “Impeach them now!”

For more, visit cognitivedissident.org.

Does anyone have a reference to a bill that explicitly bans waterboarding?

“The Director of National Intelligence or the Secretary of Defense may prohibit the Inspector General of an element of the intelligence community specified in subparagraph (D) from initiating, carrying out, or completing any audit or investigation if the Director or the Secretary, as the case may be, determines that the prohibition is necessary to protect vital national security interests of the United States.”

The four “elements” listed in section (D) are the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the National Reconnaissance Office, and the National Security Agency.

Direct quote from CIA agent Joh Kiriakou:

Though the information wrenched from Abu Zubayda “stopped terrorist attacks and saved lives,” Kiriakou said he opposes waterboarding.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/agent.tapes/index.html#cnnSTCText

The US House has approved a bill that bans the CIA from using waterboarding, mock executions and other harsh interrogation methods.

The intelligence bill passed the House by a vote of 222 to 199. The bill still needs Senate approval before it can reach the White House, where President Bush has threatened a veto.

Bush claims the United States does not torture, but the administration will not disclose what interrogation methods it has approved for the CIA.

The measure requires intelligence agents to comply with the Army Field Manual, which bans torture in compliance with the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war.

The bill also blocks spending 70 percent of the intelligence budget until the House and Senate intelligence committees are briefed on the Israeli regime’s Sept. 6 air strike on an alleged nuclear site in Syria.

The 2008 intelligence budget is classified, but it is more than the USD 43b approved for 2007.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=34881&sectionid=3510203

I guess you didn’t see some of the other interviews in which he admitted that he wasn’t present for the waterboarding, and admitted that he could not actually verify that Zubaydah gave up anything useful. So how can you conclude that waterboarding worked?

How can you possibly type so much bullshite with one hand?

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Wayne A. Schneider,
Obviously waterboarding worked, that’s why its used. Honestly. The CIA agent who was there doing the interrogations said that it worked and that it saved lives. Brian Ross also reported the same thing with regards to waterboarding Kalid Sheik Mohammed; that it saved lives. You can’t just assume that people who you don’t agree with are automatically liars.

Regardless, you people can sit on your high horse stroking your “moral highgroud” while looking down your nose at the rest of us realists. I am fine with that. I clearly understand that the moral position is to waterboard some terrorists for half a minute if it saves lives of even one American. Its really that simple. Other, better democrats like Truman and FDR understood what it meant to have to get your hands dirty to protect your citizens from harm. Truman dropped two nukes on Japan and the country leveled cities like Dresden in Germany killing tens of thousands in order to save American lives. Its never as clear as black and white, and that’s why you won’t win this argument if you approach it as such.

You have NO proof, save what a lying administration says, that torturing anyone has saved a single life. Not one bit of proof.

You are way too ignorant to engage in intelligent discourse.

Ever you ever heard of “the moral high road”? Do you honestly think that just because someone does it to one of ours that it’s okay to do it to one of theirs? Do you understand why it’s a crime? (And despite the fact that Bush will veto the anti-waterboarding legislation just passed, it was and still will be illegal.) I don’t think you do understand, because you are too unaware of reality and humaneness to understand.